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    MGTOW has its own Wiki page--"and it's fucking good."--MGTOW HQ post

    http://www.mgtowhq.com/viewtopic.php...a3d3d1e3c0d25c
    Quote Originally Posted by Dazedandconfusedrp
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_Going_Their_Own_Way

    And it's fucking good. Look at those sources.
    I agree. In ways I cannot believe most of the western world fell for the social "married people are winners. Single people are incomplete" script for THIS long!

    Thanks to the Internet, "it's like being part of a social revolution to me." (I am borrowing a line from a MGTOW post by John Deer, I think it was, who wrote that?)

    One-sided deals, socially and financially speaking, are for CHUMPS.
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    Well there's a wiki page which some people will probably spend their time sabotaging and others will likely spend time fixing it. If it is' not under attack somehow by various edits and re-edits, I will be surprised.

    People challenging this wikipedia entry are not going to cause me worry or concern though.

    The wiki page doesn't validate me, or my choices, nor do I think it should it be needed by any man as validation for the personal choices he makes in how to live his life.

    As for a decent definition of MGTOW, I am not nor have I ever been a vid person like others; but I thought Terrence Popp did a good job with explaining it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=GOIduTY0mHY
    Good point as well. MGTOW is not about changing the world to as they see fit like the feminazis. Instead it is changing ones self to not buy into rainbows and unicorns that barely exist. Life is a numbers game.
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    Re: MGTOW has its own Wiki page--"and it's fucking good."--MGTOW HQ post

    here is something interesting i read near the end under "criticism of mgtow"
    It quoted MGTOW as opposing marriage on the grounds that it allows the woman and the state to virtually kidnap a man's children, evict him from his home, steal his money, and enslave him for life on pain of prison. Gwendolyn Leachman writes that this sort of framing "downplays the systemic biases that women face that justify protective divorce and custody laws."
    ummmmmm, so the clear biases against men here downplay the "biases" against women. and these biases against women justify these divorce and custody laws? ummmmm....? who the fuck is this Gwendolyn leachman?
    Sad, but one day our kids will have to visit museums to see what a lady looks like.

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    Re: MGTOW has its own Wiki page--"and it's fucking good."--MGTOW HQ post

    In case some so-called SJWs try to change its definition, since those types by the very definition of that word often times don't give a damn about men, since wikipedia is a peoples encyclopedia, by the people and for the people---this solid definition of what MGTOW is and isn't could be changed by a few with an anti-male agenda. So to preserve its definition as of the day I made this thread, here it is captured in its form as of the very minute this post was made:

    Men Going Their Own Way

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    The original and most commonly-used logo for MGTOW is based on a familiar road sign, and also alludes to the symbol for masculinity.


    Men Going Their Own Way (abbreviated MGTOW, pronounced /ˈmɪg.taʊ/), sometimes also called the marriage strike, the marriage boycott, or the sexodus, is a worldwide social phenomenon and community of heterosexual men who uphold a personal philosophy which rejects gynocentrism in favor of a value system of male self-determination and self-preservation, and who consequently choose a lifestyle which avoids legal and romantic entanglements with women, including, at the very least, marriage, cohabitation, and procreation. A participant in MGTOW is called a Man Going His Own Way (abbreviated MGHOW, pronounced /ˈmɪg.haʊ/). In Japan, MGTOW are known as herbivore men or grass-eater men.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9]
    As Sunday Times journalist Martin Daubney has pointed out[10][11], according to Google Trends, interest in "MGTOW" has grown exponentially since 2009; doubling approximately every 12 months[12], it has rapidly overtaken both "women's rights" and "men's rights", as well as "radical feminism" in search popularity. It has been estimated that the MGTOW arm of the so-called "manosphere" is not only its largest segment, but also its fastest growing.[13] Renowned family care activist Erin Pizzey has described MGTOW as "very powerful" and "almost epidemic".[14]
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    Definition

    Because it is a decentralised social phenomenon and a community, MGTOW does not have any leaders, spokesmen, by-laws, official publications, official manifesto, or organizational structure, which can make the concept contentious, ambiguous, and difficult to define. The concept of MGTOW is thus primarily defined and refined by the MGTOW community itself, by means of articles, conversations, and debates in self-published books, websites, blogs, web forums, and online videos. Authors that have researched the phenomenon, such as Kay Hymowitz, have recommended examining MGTOW websites, including MGTOW.com and EternalBachelor, for readers interested in this matter.[15][16][17]
    According to MGTOW.com, MGTOW are men who share a specific view, philosophy, or school of thought with regard to modern society, romantic relationships, and women in general. According to this website, while the specific wording may differ among individuals, generally accepted definitions within the MGTOW community include:[18]

    • A man who preserves and protects his self-ownership and personal sovereignty.
    • A man who avoids cultural definitions and preconceptions of what a "man" is.
    • A man who looks to no one for social approval.
    • A man who does not allow anyone to treat him as a disposable utility.
    • A man who lives according to his own best interests, rather than society's expectations.

    Basic concepts

    One essential tenet of MGTOW is the avoidance of legal entanglements with women, including, at the very least, marriage, cohabitation, and procreation. The percentage of unmarried males in America (and many other countries worldwide) has steadily increased since the early 1970s, such that, as of 2015, 70% of American males between 20 and 34 years old are not married; according to Janice Shaw Crouse, author of the book "Marriage Matters", this may have ominous consequences for the future.[19]
    In addition, many MGTOW to varying degrees choose to abandon romantic relationships, casual sexual relationships, female friendships, and/or social contact with women altogether.[20] These phenomena are known as going ghost[21][22] (or, less commonly, as going monk[23]). In Japan's herbivore men phenomenon, an extreme form of men going ghost is known as hikikomori.[24]
    Being free from the necessity of supporting a wife and familiy, many MGTOW to varying degrees choose to reject the traditionally male gender role of breadwinner, refrain from dangerous or stressful careers, minimize the duration of their workweek, reduce their tax burden, lead a frugal and minimalistic lifestyle, opt for entrepreneurship or freelancing instead of permanent employment, while some even sever their dependence on the grid, expatriate to countries where the cost of living is lower, and/or drop out of education and the workforce altogether.[20][25] These phenomena are referred to as going Galt[26][27], after John Galt, the iconic protagonist of Ayn Rand's novel Atlas Shrugged[28]. In Japan's herbivore men phenomenon, men going Galt are called freeters or NEETs.[29] One study estimated that 37% of the decline in male employment in America since 1979 could be explained by men's retreat from marriage and fatherhood.[30]
    The term MGTOW is often used interchangeably with the so-called marriage strike or marriage boycott, which are not entirely coterminous with MGTOW (which is a broader concept), although there is considerable overlap. The marriage strike is a form of protest against the allegedly unfair legal conditions of marriage. Some marriage strikers hope to return to marriage once these laws have been reformed, while many other MGTOW do not wish to return to marriage or women, or change society, but merely wish to be left alone. Such MGTOW have no demands to present, no terms to bargain about, and no compromise to reach, thus engaging in a marriage boycott.[31]
    Journalist Milo Yiannopoulos has also coined and popularized the term sexodus (a portmanteau of sex and exodus) as a synonym for MGTOW.[32][33][34]
    MGTOW can refer to both the social phenomenon, in which case a man can be a participant in MGTOW without even knowing about the term "MGTOW", and to the community of men who discuss the MGTOW philosophy and support each other in their MGTOW lifestyle.
    What MGTOW are not

    The modern incarnation of MGTOW as a community originated in what is known as the "manosphere" (or "androsphere"), a loose and informal collection of weblogs, web forums, and websites, and online video channels, of men discussing men's issues, many of which are male-only spaces. Many MGTOW prefer to disassociate themselves from the "manosphere", as the latter term is sometimes used as an attempt to conflate several very different ideas:

    • MGTOW are separate and different from the men's rights movement (MRM). Men's rights activists (MRAs) seek to influence or reform society though public protests, conferences, public speaking, publications, lobbying, picketing, petitions, and other organized political and legal activism, whereas MGTOW are not a political movement, and hence MGTOW as such are either unconcerned with influencing larger society, or engage in (private and personal) passive resistance and nonparticipation as a form of protest.


    • While MGTOW are highly critical of feminism, the MGTOW philosophy is not restricted to or synonymous with antifeminism. Indeed, many MGTOW view both progressive feminism and traditional conservative antifeminism as two sides of a single gynocentric spectrum. Gynocentrism refers to a biological instinct to protect and provide for women and prioritize their well-being, and to a cultural system that supports this instinct. Hence, MGTOW also oppose the antifeminist traditional conservatives for the latter's defence of chivalry, traditional gender roles of breadwinner and housewife, and traditional conservative "family values", such as an insistence on monogamy, marriage, and procreation.


    • MGTOW also differ from "pick-up artists (PUAs)" and the "seduction community" which encourage men to dedicate time, money, and effort to pursuing sex and relationships, with an emphasis on increasing one's number of sexual partners, and garnering female approval. While many MGTOW still engage in sexual relationships with women, such MGTOW strive to minimize the time, money, effort, and risks involved in such activities, and exercise great selectivity in their choice of romantic partners.


    • MGTOW also should also not be confused with self-described "involuntary celibates" ("incels"). An "incel" is a man who wishes to have intimate relationships, but considers himself too unattractive to attract a woman, and subsequently resents women for purportedly causing his sexual frustration.[35] MGTOW consider 'involuntary celibacy' to be an oxymoron: many MGTOW practice voluntary celibacy, other MGTOW have relationships or partake in casual or transactional sex. An "incel" defines his life by his difficulties in attracting women, essentially analogous to a PUA who defines his life by his abilities to attract women. A MGHOW considers both of these worldviews to be worthless, and by definition does not allow female validation to define him or his worth. Whether or not a MGHOW has sex or not is irrelevant; it is a matter of perspective and perspective alone.


    • Finally, the MGTOW concept is not simply identical with "bachelorhood" in general, one reason being that MGTOW are bachelors who uphold a personal philosophy based on male self-determination, self-preservation, and a opposition to gynocentrism, whereas a bachelor in general may be a bachelor for variety of other reasons (such as a lack of physical attraction to women, as in the case of asexuality or homosexuality).

    History of MGTOW

    Monks, celibates, and ascetics have been common throughout history—Siddhartha Gautama had a wife and a son that he abandoned at the age of 30 to investigate the world, and even Paul the Apostle recommended against wives and families because he considered them to be an encumbrance—however, MGTOW are not per se a part of any religious tradition, and do not necessarily abstain from sex. The phenomenon of male self-determination goes back centuries under names such as free-man, celibate, bachelor, stag, and freewheeler. In the Victorian era, the term eligible bachelor was used in the context of upper class matchmaking, denoting a young man who was not only unmarried and eligible for marriage, but also considered "eligible" in financial and social terms for the prospective bride under discussion. In the Victorian era, the term "confirmed bachelor" denoted a man who was resolute to remain unmarried. Sometimes these self-determined or ‘MGTOW’ men formed groups, the earliest known being that of the Anti-Bardell Bachelor Band of 1898.[36] The phrase “men going their own way,” or variants such as “going his own way,” or “to go his own sweet way,” in reference to men’s freedoms is hundreds of years old.[37][38] The "herbivore men" phenomenon was first observed by Maki Fukasawa in an article published on Oct. 13, 2006, and was subsequently discussed in a book by Masahiro Morioka.[39]
    The modern incarnation of MGTOW as a community has its origins in what is known as the "manosphere" (or "androsphere"), a loose and informal collection of weblogs, web forums, and websites of men discussing men's issues. The MGTOW phrase made its appearance in the early 2000s in several online men's rights groups. Three of those who conceived the MGTOW community went by the names Zed the Zenpriest, Ragnar Jensen, and Meikyo. Zed noted that many types of men's rights movements, to his dismay, would splinter and fracture, because the men in those movements displayed an incredible amount of stubbornness, in-fighting, and stifling political correctness. Zed coined the term "MGTOW", because he noticed one reason why the men's rights movement was not effective was because “men kept going their own way”.[40].
    Ragnar describes the historical establishment of "men going their own way" as taking place in Hickory, North Carolina, in October 2004, in a meeting between Ragnar and Meikyo; Zed was also invited, but was unable to attend due to illness.[41] They concluded that an individual, grassroots strategy, which Zed had previously dubbed "men going their own way", was superior to the men's rights movement and working for men's rights organisations. In an interview, Ragnar describes the moment as follows:
    You see, all the ideas were floating around on the Internet. We were frustrated that we couldn't get men to build an organization, couldn't get men to come to this damned meeting—everybody was going their own damned way, and the fact that men went their own way, we started to use that phrase and we started to talk about what's important for men… who's going to define their masculinity? Well, they actually have to do that themselves, they have to find out what it is for themselves. So, as you have the responsibility for your own actions, well then it's also your responsibility to define who you are as a man.[42]
    In a seminal announcement dated December 1, 2004[43], Ragnar declared that MGTOW was based on an essay titled Ignoring Women, written by Zed the Zenpriest, as its foundational document. As Zed stated in this document:
    Men now must completely destroy marriage. It is too corrupt and too fouled to fix. It is a derelict building which MUST be torn down so that something useful can be built in its place. We cannot stop the marriage strike. The real "men's movement" is millions of wildcat strikes of one man who has woken up to what bullshit "marriage" as it exists today really is.
    No matter how big a dam one builds, a river will always overcome it. We cannot either push, or hold back, the river. It will proceed at its own pace.
    We can, however, clear out the snags which naturally hold it back and let natural forces speed up the current.
    Women have turned their backs on us when we needed them, now we must turn our backs on them when they need us.[44][45]
    As Ragnar elaborated in his announcement:
    Today I believe we need even more activism and together with a few other guys it has resulted in an idea about "MEN GOING THEIR OWN WAY" based on Zenpriest's essay "Ignoring Women". Those other guys will speak for themselves in due time. The idea is to instill masculinity in men. To make men understand that they don't have to cater to women unless there is a "quid pro quo" situation. Men don't need someone to compete with. They need someone to help them. Men naturally enjoy being with other men in bands or brotherhoods, so they should go ahead and start some men's clubs and enjoy that. Men should also understand that you don't have to live with women, that they can live a fullfilling life without living with women. This doesn't mean without sex, not at all—it might, on the contrary, be with too much sex—depending on your personal preferences. [43]
    Ragnar concluded with what he called a "small essay" of his own, which introduced the MGTOW logo, and which advocated "two strategies that come together in one", namely,
    1. Instilling masculinity in men
    2. Ignoring and shunning women. [43]
    Much of these ideas were subsequently fleshed out and discussed, occasionally with heated arguments; and men adapted and expounded upon MGTOW as a philosophy and a way of being. The present incarnation and definition of the term "MGTOW" has evolved away from and severed its ties with its murky origins in the men's rights movement, such that today the definition of MGTOW is a strictly nonpolitical philosophy centered around independence or separatism from women, and a rejection of traditional gender roles of masculinity and femininity.[46][47]
    As described by prominent sources

    The MGTOW phenomenon has been described in detail in books by prominent authors such as Helen Smith[26], Kay Hymowitz[48] Philip Zimbardo[49], and in many mainstream or notable newspapers, websites and other sources, including the Sunday Times[50], Breitbart News Network[32][33][34], Vice Magazine[23], and others.
    In an interview, Erin Pizzey, the family care activist internationally famous for having started the first domestic violence shelter in the modern world, described MGTOW and expressed her concern about the effects on women:
    MGTOW, Men Going Their Own Way, is very powerful in America; it's almost epidemic in Japan. So in a funny way, as the women of the feminist movement turned on men, men ran away. And what's happening now: I move between London and Los Angeles, where my son lives with his family, and what I see is desperate between late thirties and forties women, who are never going to be married, and are never going to have children, because the men aren't there; and what the men will offer, and the only thing they'll offer, is what they call hookup—particularly in America, where a man can see four or five women at the same time and have sex with them all.[14]
    Dr. Jeremy Nicholson, M.S.W., Ph.D., for his column "The Attraction Doctor" in Psychology Today, viewed MGTOW sympathetically, calling societal and female expectations on men in relationships a "double bind", which has left many men "wounded" or "frustrated" to the point that have chosen to "opt out" entirely and instead concentrate on making themselves happy in other ways.[51]
    In February, 2011, in an article about her published thesis that what she terms "the rise of women" has had a negative influence on men, American author Kay Hymowitz suggested the reader search for terms including "MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way)" for examples of young men frustrated by women who complain of inequality while demanding preferential treatment.[15]
    A detailed account of the MGTOW phenomenon was published by Helen Smith, Ph.D., in her 2013 book "Men On Strike; Why Men are Boycotting Marriage, Fatherhood and the American Dream, and Why It Matters".[26]
    The Sunday Times, the largest-selling British national "quality" Sunday newspaper, featured an in-depth 8-page article detailing the MGTOW phenomenon.[10]
    Reasons why men go their own way

    Summary

    MGTOW believe that legal and romantic entanglements with women fail a cost–benefit analysis and risk–benefit analysis. MGTOW believe it is advisable for men to shun marriage, cohabitation, and procreation, because they believe that the modern legal climate and justice system is hostile and dangerous towards men, and that the prevailing society or culture is gynocentric and misandrist. Many MGTOW also are of the opinion that even if all such alleged legal dangers, moral hazards, and other problems disappeared, modern women and modern society do not provide any positive incentives for men to engage in interactions with women. Many believe that mechanization and automation have substituted for the need for female labor in many (traditionally female) household tasks. Many self-identified MGTOW also feel that that female companionship does not provide sufficient positive incentives to associate with women, and advise men stay away from romantic relationships, because they see such relationships as inherently dangerous and exploitative, or even in some cases from women in general, whom they see as hypergamous and manipulative by nature.
    Consequences of divorce

    Richard Doyle wrote about the court handling of divorces and child custody processes:
    Divorce courts are frequently like slaughter-houses, with about as much compassion and talent. They function as collection agencies for lawyer fees, however outrageous, stealing children and extorting money from men in ways blatantly unconstitutional... Men are regarded as mere guests in their own homes, evictable any time at the whims of wives and judges. Men are driven from home and children against their wills; then when unable to stretch paychecks far enough to support two households are termed "runaway fathers." Contrary to all principles of justice, men are thrown into prison for inability to pay alimony and support, however unreasonable or unfair the "obligation."[52]
    Some have claimed that family and divorce law discriminate against men and favored their wives.[53] It has been asserted that men are consciously or unconsciously opting out of marriage and engaging in a "marriage strike" as a result of the lack of benefits in marriage and the emotional and financial consequences of divorce, including alimony and child custody and support.[54][26][55] MGTOW have argued that divorce and custody laws violate men's individual rights to equal protection.
    See also: Implications of divorce
    Criticism of MGTOW

    MGTOW are sometimes dismissed as "toxic misogynists" or shamed as "a cult for lonely virgins".[56] MGTOW have also been accused of having Peter Pan Syndrome or commitmentphobia.[57]
    In an investigative report critical of the men's rights movement, the Southern Poverty Law Center, a group dedicated to battling "hate crimes", painted a negative picture of MGTOW, presenting quotes from MGTOW that included violent metaphors.[58] It quoted MGTOW as opposing marriage on the grounds that it allows the woman and the state to virtually kidnap a man's children, evict him from his home, steal his money, and enslave him for life on pain of prison. Gwendolyn Leachman writes that this sort of framing "downplays the systemic biases that women face that justify protective divorce and custody laws."[59]
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    Well I'm not so enthusiastic about this increased exposure. It might give TPTB some angle on us in the future. That being said it may be worth the risk if this page saves even 1 more guy from beta hell.

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    Re: MGTOW has its own Wiki page--"and it's fucking good."--MGTOW HQ post

    Quote Originally Posted by Nasir Jones View Post
    ...who the fuck is this Gwendolyn Leachman?
    Here's her Linked-In profile:
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/gwendolyn-leachman-79775826

    Proper little bitch-offspring of Catherine MacKinnon, by the look of her.
    A gun-toting, weed-smoking, gray-bearded redneck with a Masters - old and dangerous.

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    The page needs work - it's a bit scrambled at present. I predict an edit war, and one that's a multi-sided conflict.
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    Re: MGTOW has its own Wiki page--"and it's fucking good."--MGTOW HQ post

    Quote Originally Posted by Phathack
    Just a few days ago the editorial board at Wikipedia had shot down that page. I wonder what made them change their minds and allow it to be published
    Quote Originally Posted by Enteri
    Meh. It's 'alright'.

    There are a LOT of 'allegedly', 'they believe', that sort of shit.

    Whatever. It's not like Wiki is really a legitimate source of information anyway. It's on step down from Encyclopedia Dramatica on most things, since ED is at least funny.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberdude
    Fairly accurate description. However, let's see for how long that page remains up on the heavily twatified Wikipedia.
    Quote Originally Posted by Quaboag
    Still sore they deleted the Thomas Ball page. Wikipedia can go to hell.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dudiest Priest
    So far, so good. Probably only a matter of time before it gets manboobed by the SJWs though.
    Whether its Wikipedia page is eventually tainted by the politically correct police or not, the word is ALREADY out. Too late. The horse is outta the barn. They cannot put the shit back into the horse!

    Reaping what they sow more in a so-called official way. Boo hoo HOOooo for them!
    Last edited by Ace Francis; December 27, 2015 at 9:18 PM.

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    Re: MGTOW has its own Wiki page--"and it's fucking good."--MGTOW HQ post

    The evisceration is well underway, thought it's being fought over in the "Talk" page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:M..._Their_Own_Way

    The link to HQ has been restored.
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    Re: MGTOW has its own Wiki page--"and it's fucking good."--MGTOW HQ post

    Quote Originally Posted by bob View Post
    The evisceration is well underway, thought it's being fought over in the "Talk" page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:M..._Their_Own_Way

    The link to HQ has been restored.
    It won't be long before Feminazis and Manginas swoop in and demonize it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCrimsonKing View Post
    It won't be long before Feminazis and Manginas swoop in and demonize it.
    I agree with you on this. This wiki page showed that there are enough of us to be taken seriously. So I expect more shaming to come, not that it will work.

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    Re: MGTOW has its own Wiki page--"and it's fucking good."--MGTOW HQ post

    when you open the page you get this notice:
    This article is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy.
    Please share your thoughts on the matter at this article's entry on the Articles for deletion page.
    Feel free to edit the article, but the article must not be blanked, and this notice must not be removed, until the discussion is closed. For more information, particularly on merging or moving the article during the discussion, read the guide to deletion.
    lmfaoooooo. damn! these women work fast. honestly, they did this in one day. I am kinda impressed tbh. I thought the page would last like a month or so.
    Regardless, we are making an impression.
    Sad, but one day our kids will have to visit museums to see what a lady looks like.

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    Re: MGTOW has its own Wiki page--"and it's fucking good."--MGTOW HQ post

    Twats be terrified!
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    Re: MGTOW has its own Wiki page--"and it's fucking good."--MGTOW HQ post

    Just took a look back at the deletion discussion - and at the article, as it's been edited.

    Basically, it's been stripped down to damn-near nothing, except for a brief, limp-wristed abstract that essentially dismisses MGTOW as "men who whine about women on the Internet," and a paragraph of "Criticism" that recounts the Southern Poverty Law Center's labeling us as a "hate group." The creator of the article is, predictably, PISSED, and as he puts it:

    I am not interested in having a Wikipedia article about MGTOW just for the sake of having a Wikipedia article about MGTOW. If the article does not correctly and completely explain MGTOW, detail the various gradations within MGTOW, and contrast it with unrelated men's groups, explain its equivalence with the herbivore men, and its equivalence with the marriage strike/boycott, then I don't even see the point in having an article.
    I'm inclined to agree with him, in that I don't need Wikipedia to tell me who I am. And I certainly don't need Wikipedia to paint an utterly-biased shit-stain of an article, calculated to mislead its users (who go to Wikipedia because it's the easiest source to find) about the nature of our lifestyle.
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    Re: MGTOW has its own Wiki page--"and it's fucking good."--MGTOW HQ post

    Quote Originally Posted by BeijaFlor View Post
    Just took a look back at the deletion discussion - and at the article, as it's been edited.

    Basically, it's been stripped down to damn-near nothing, except for a brief, limp-wristed abstract that essentially dismisses MGTOW as "men who whine about women on the Internet," and a paragraph of "Criticism" that recounts the Southern Poverty Law Center's labeling us as a "hate group." The creator of the article is, predictably, PISSED, and as he puts it:



    I'm inclined to agree with him, in that I don't need Wikipedia to tell me who I am. And I certainly don't need Wikipedia to paint an utterly-biased shit-stain of an article, calculated to mislead its users (who go to Wikipedia because it's the easiest source to find) about the nature of our lifestyle.
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    Re: MGTOW has its own Wiki page--"and it's fucking good."--MGTOW HQ post

    Quote Originally Posted by TheCrimsonKing View Post
    If it's not dead already it soon will be. Feminazi's when again!
    No ... they don't actually "win" at all.

    The Feminazis may "cheer victory" when they declare us as an 'unperson.'

    But we're still here, completely blocked from their 'radar' by their own declaration ...

    And I don't give a Dolby-stereo rat's fart about their well-being. I get every single dollar of my pension, and the Girlie-Girls can work for their own fuggin' pension-check ... which won't include a penny of my Civil Service Retirement pension.
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    Re: MGTOW has its own Wiki page--"and it's fucking good."--MGTOW HQ post

    Dictionary here we come.

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    Re: MGTOW has its own Wiki page--"and it's fucking good."--MGTOW HQ post

    "Daubney states that many of them feel they they are unwanted and despised.[5] According to Kay Hymowitz, self-identified MGTOW feel bitter because they see women as hypergamous and manipulative by nature.[6]"

    How is that NEUTRAL language?

    "BBC television personality Reggie Yates did a documentary on Britons who support MGTOW and the manosphere."

    His "documentary" was in no way about MGTOW. He tried to make it about MGTOW as well, granted, but no one actually spoke for MGTOW. Therefore this is a blatantly false statement.

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    Speaker's Corner in London's Hyde Park has become a popular place to publicly express such sentiments. [7]


    Has nothing to do with MGTOW

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    Re: MGTOW has its own Wiki page--"and it's fucking good."--MGTOW HQ post

    WELP! the page is gone....
    Sad, but one day our kids will have to visit museums to see what a lady looks like.

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    If she isn't fucking you like a porn star she is fucking someone else like one.

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    Re: MGTOW has its own Wiki page--"and it's fucking good."--MGTOW HQ post

    Rush Limbaugh reminds us, again and again, that "the most insidious power of the Press is the power to IGNORE."

    Well - as far as Wicky-Ficky-Pedia is concerned, we "no longer exist." The wimminz and their tame manginae have "edited us out of their universe." Funny thing, though - we're still here, aren't we?

    Let them ignore us, in their pride ... they "don't need us," anyway, and we can build our own personal futures without taking their care and provisioning upon our account. They're making their bed and they can lie in it - alone, and, for all I care, lonely.
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