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    A mgtow economy-would it work?

    Iíve been thinking about this for a little while. if men can do startups now if theyíre mgtow but have to enter the real world in the open waters why trust the blue pilled? for how long must we fake it to make it? Always had this vision that a private business community was established where ceos were on the same page & like minded & found ways to collaborate to drive traffic. To be more specific a mgtow shaking hands with other mgtows. Everything handled crypto. the customer base wouldnt change thats everyone but as far as the people behind the scenes im talking strictly mgtows. one example can be mgtows investing in eachother & knowing what theyre getting back. Im not a marketing expert im just trying to think about what business could be in a RP world.

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    Re: A mgtow economy-would it work?

    Nice thought, except:

    Red pillers can be just as fucked up as others. We aren’t a communist community.

    Also the legislation won’t allow for it – female quotas must be applied.

    But…

    If the control was multinational – a guy from the U.S. and a guy from Europe and a guy from Asia and a guy from Africa et al then just which court would hold jurisdiction?

    You just might be on to something there!
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    Re: A mgtow economy-would it work?

    I dont think that'll work. Before I go into why I think that, I have to say something about crypto.

    Recent events have demonstrated that crypto can still be manipulated much the same way like stocks. A bunch of big guys cause a FUD, the prices drop suddenly, the stop-losses get triggered, and then the big guys buy them back. Yes sure, not everyone got affected, but its still a gambling. Nobody controls crypto.

    To have a stable value for any currency, it should be possible to control it by the group who wants to use it as a token for transactions among each other. A good example ? US dollar, or should I say petro-dollar. The US is doing one fk up after another, and yet, the usd enjoys the status of world reserve currency. If I go to google to check the conversion rate of INR (Indian Rupee) to USD, its pretty much still the same (1 usd ~ 73 inr), despite hearing news of inflation in US every day.

    And this stability exists because the thing that backs USD is military industrial complex, the US Army. Regardless of how woke their recruitment ads have become (did you see the latest one ?), its still the strongest army in the world. So the muscle guarantees currency stability.

    The direction the world is going these days, the best "currency" you can accumulate is physical fitness, information about the world, personal skills, especially survival skills, etc. Can you go to a foreign land with nothing but the clothes you have on you, and still have good enough chance that you survive provided they dont catch and deport you ? If the answer is yes, then its awesome ! If the answer is no, then whatever wealth you have, can be taken from you, either by applying sufficient force or by clever heist. Crypto fud, shorting, etc are heists, money printing is "force".

    The only way I can see a "mgtow community" working is if they live close together LOCALLY, and ARMED, ready to defend each other. Like some kind of prepper communities. But this is not possible, we are way too distributed in the world, and often not even interested one bit in investing any time dealing with the people at large anything more than necessary.

    My family members, they are running successful businesses. I often help them with the tech/IT stuff, an in-house-developer for them. And if I need capital for any investment/business, I dont even need to go to bank or anything, I can get from them straight away. But I am not interested. I am focusing completely on personal skills, so if tomorrow I have to navigate a very war-torn and busted world, I can prove somewhat useful to people around me. Atleast useful enough that they agree to share food and shelter. Without relying on things like a functioning government and banks which can hold whatever currency I have, and also without relying on availability of internet (so here goes the crypto).
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    Re: A mgtow economy-would it work?

    good points! I had a gut feeling of risk & also some closed off community in a comedic sense cuz obviously that just isnít enough to sustain. I mentioned crypto because its a roller coaster at this point with people goin into it like a scene from wallstreet.
    I made a post prior for advice and best mgtows stick to that plan. we keep our mouth zipped and play it safe. for example leaving the grocery store this morning the woman at the checkout said have a nice day & i said thank you you too. she read her script. i read mine.

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    Re: A mgtow economy-would it work?

    Men still wage conflict with other men to climb the social ladder of proof so it would be difficult to make it happen. Youtube is a good example of this where other men act very catty toward other men that they disagree with. It is one thing to disagree with a man but it another to fling insults like a tween girl on twitter toward another.

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    Re: A mgtow economy-would it work?

    No. MGTOW will only ever be a niche. Nature has embedded the standard male/female interaction for a reason. This is why the rise and fall of civilisations is cyclical.

    A MGTOW island would be an interesting venture/adventure. The utopian view would be the islanders need no assistance or cooperation with outsiders. But this is utopian because it's probably impossible, resources would likely be needed from the mainland.

    Honestly, I'm up for trying it! If food/water and shelter can be established, it's doable.
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    Re: A mgtow economy-would it work?

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    No. MGTOW will only ever be a niche. Nature has embedded the standard male/female interaction for a reason. This is why the rise and fall of civilisations is cyclical.

    A MGTOW island would be an interesting venture/adventure. The utopian view would be the islanders need no assistance or cooperation with outsiders. But this is utopian because it's probably impossible, resources would likely be needed from the mainland.

    Honestly, I'm up for trying it! If food/water and shelter can be established, it's doable.
    MGTOW island has one occupant, and he's a man that owns his own little piece of PRIVATE PROPERTY and is willing to keep it that way! Fuck groups and communes! It's like being bitches that have dicks! I'd rather play headless man with a shotgun!
    MGTOW is justice brewed to perfection!

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    Re: A mgtow economy-would it work?

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    MGTOW island has one occupant, and he's a man that owns his own little piece of PRIVATE PROPERTY and is willing to keep it that way! Fuck groups and communes! It's like being bitches that have dicks! I'd rather play headless man with a shotgun!
    I'm half with you. That is one way to look at it. The other is that we should be able to put our thoughts into action and demonstrate how shit can be done.
    I reckon half the islanders would go insane though with a few blue pill relapses in there. Would be a fun few years.
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    Re: A mgtow economy-would it work?

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    I'm half with you. That is one way to look at it. The other is that we should be able to put our thoughts into action and demonstrate how shit can be done.
    I reckon half the islanders would go insane though with a few blue pill relapses in there. Would be a fun few years.
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    Re: A mgtow economy-would it work?

    A MGTOW Economy: I can't see it working in an island environment. You want to try to market to a bunch of men that most have likely been divorce raped and maybe still years to go paying child support? I would guess most of us are very careful where we spend our money day to day.

    Start ups: Maybe, if there was a club, membership charged every year. Discounts from other members. Membership money used as loans for capital startups. This would likely be country based for legal/tax reasons.

    The easiest way to make a sale, is sell to someone that is not using their own money. That's why women love buying stuff and paying lots for it. Buying useless gifts for people they don't like, and that will never use them. One of the biggest markets is teen aged girls, they will spend every last cent they can get from Daddy, boyfriend, OnlyFans etc... They have a zero based budget, funds have to be zero...

    The next easiest, sell to public companies, again it's not the person's own money that is buying.

    I'm talking legal sales of goods or services.

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    Re: A mgtow economy-would it work?

    Quote Originally Posted by RustyNuts View Post
    A MGTOW Economy: I can't see it working in an island environment. You want to try to market to a bunch of men that most have likely been divorce raped and maybe still years to go paying child support? I would guess most of us are very careful where we spend our money day to day.

    Start ups: Maybe, if there was a club, membership charged every year. Discounts from other members. Membership money used as loans for capital startups. This would likely be country based for legal/tax reasons.

    The easiest way to make a sale, is sell to someone that is not using their own money. That's why women love buying stuff and paying lots for it. Buying useless gifts for people they don't like, and that will never use them. One of the biggest markets is teen aged girls, they will spend every last cent they can get from Daddy, boyfriend, OnlyFans etc... They have a zero based budget, funds have to be zero...

    The next easiest, sell to public companies, again it's not the person's own money that is buying.

    I'm talking legal sales of goods or services.
    Pardon me if I'm jumping the gun, but is a physical space really a necessity ?! We are not in the middle ages but the information age, why not a virtual one keeping with the times ? A further advantage is it squares nicely with the mgtow ethos, basically killing two birds with one stone.

    And most poignant I think is that there will be less scrutiny or opposition since it is not a physical location that can be veiwed from an oppositional frame of mind. One can only fight what has a substantial existence afterall.
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    Re: A mgtow economy-would it work?

    Quote Originally Posted by African-Daoist View Post
    Pardon me if I'm jumping the gun, but is a physical space really a necessity ?! We are not in the middle ages but the information age, why not a virtual one keeping with the times ? A further advantage is it squares nicely with the mgtow ethos, basically killing two birds with one stone.

    And most poignant I think is that there will be less scrutiny or opposition since it is not a physical location that can be veiwed from an oppositional frame of mind. One can only fight what has a substantial existence afterall.
    Cheers
    A non-physical space is more vulnerable from non-physical forms of attack. First of all, establishing trust based on intents is less reliable. The reliability of trust can only come from the threat of breaking the trust. In non-physical space if trust is broken, the worst you can do is simply kick the person out of the ecosystem. In physical space, the worst can be the body bag. So the danger of retaliation is greater.

    Secondly, even if we have lots of technology, they are itself not very reliable. Lookup "side channel attacks", there is some jaw dropping info there unless you already know about that.

    There can be more, but most of them derive from these two only.

    My job, heck my life, revolves around technology, and yet, I like to keep work relationships as less "techy" as possible. That means, one to one interactions, and knowledge of who the client is in real life to as much extent as possible. I dont involve any middleman entity, no social network, no marketing, no nothing. The benefits ? I cannot be cancelled. I have zero expenditure on marketing and advertisement. I have no reason to hide my social or political stance. The people around me accept for what I am, and I accept them for what they are. Its very "middle-agey" kindda arrangement, and contrary to the advices I have got, it has worked wonderfully !.

    Yes the money is lesser, likely WAY lesser, than if I did all the monkey dance on social networks. But money is itself a non-physical currency, the controllers of which are VERY FAR from me. The RBI (Reserve Bank of India) which is in charge of managing the Indian currency, I dont know who they are, I dont know what their long term policies are, I dont know what will happen to them if they break their trust.

    Assurance from an actual human, within a set physical space, that he/she will collaborate faithfully, is way more reliable and useful.
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    Re: A mgtow economy-would it work?

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    A non-physical space is more vulnerable from non-physical forms of attack. First of all, establishing trust based on intents is less reliable. The reliability of trust can only come from the threat of breaking the trust. In non-physical space if trust is broken, the worst you can do is simply kick the person out of the ecosystem. In physical space, the worst can be the body bag. So the danger of retaliation is greater.

    Secondly, even if we have lots of technology, they are itself not very reliable. Lookup "side channel attacks", there is some jaw dropping info there unless you already know about that.

    There can be more, but most of them derive from these two only.

    My job, heck my life, revolves around technology, and yet, I like to keep work relationships as less "techy" as possible. That means, one to one interactions, and knowledge of who the client is in real life to as much extent as possible. I dont involve any middleman entity, no social network, no marketing, no nothing. The benefits ? I cannot be cancelled. I have zero expenditure on marketing and advertisement. I have no reason to hide my social or political stance. The people around me accept for what I am, and I accept them for what they are. Its very "middle-agey" kindda arrangement, and contrary to the advices I have got, it has worked wonderfully !.

    Yes the money is lesser, likely WAY lesser, than if I did all the monkey dance on social networks. But money is itself a non-physical currency, the controllers of which are VERY FAR from me. The RBI (Reserve Bank of India) which is in charge of managing the Indian currency, I dont know who they are, I dont know what their long term policies are, I dont know what will happen to them if they break their trust.

    Assurance from an actual human, within a set physical space, that he/she will collaborate faithfully, is way more reliable and useful.
    I think i was a bit hasty hence did not provide adequate elaboration as regards how it would function .I am thinking along the lines of of an embassy functions within another country but it to all intents and purposes represents a physical structure of another domain. Same principle could apply, but the core would be a virtual space.

    Hence, an "embassy", could exist within various domains.


    As regards the trust issues, I am sure that can be sorted out by having members who are willing to be the face of the structure, submit themselves to screening to determine both their suitability and competence ?! To be honest I haven't given that aspect much thought, maybe in the run of conversation something will emerge ?!

    In summary, I agree with the concept, I'm just saying, why put a label on your own back that says, "kick me" ?

    A bit engaged now so I apologise for the tardy response,will try to come up with a well thought out response as soon as I am at liberty to do so. I found the concept fascinating, so I just had to comment.


    Cheers

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    Re: A mgtow economy-would it work?

    Quote Originally Posted by RustyNuts View Post
    A MGTOW Economy: I can't see it working in an island environment. You want to try to market to a bunch of men that most have likely been divorce raped and maybe still years to go paying child support? I would guess most of us are very careful where we spend our money day to day.
    Marketing? Lol. I never said a normal economy would work on an island.
    A normal economy in my opinion, growth, decay, boom, bust... is what we have today. We would need to devise another system, namely one which protected against boom and bust, to ensure equilibrium and thus long-term security. So what we are really talking about when we say type of economy is type of governance.. If a ruling class was voted for then the system would be commie/socialist, however I would vote for real democracy and I believe a bunch of MGTOW men could make this work. Where basically a small group of men vote regularly on matters pertaining to the island and the majority vote wins.
    Not all MGTOW would make the grade, however. Those still plugged into the matrix and wanting to operate that way would not fit. It would involve overcoming one's base natures to some degree, not to always want MORE, not to want to outdo one another too much.
    Fun to speculate and imagine. MGTOW island may be a reality one day if TSHTF.
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    Re: A mgtow economy-would it work?

    Quote Originally Posted by African-Daoist View Post
    why put a label on your own back that says, "kick me" ?
    While you think on more detail, I'd like to elaborate on this, maybe you can use this additional info in your thought.

    Kicking someone out of a group, or outrightly killing someone, both are costs, albeit one is way higher in almost all situations. Any punishment is a cost, you impose on the perpetrator to discourage them and other potential perpetrators from imposing cost on the group by breaking the trust. But if the maximum punishment possible is very minor, like simply getting kicked out of a virtual group, then it incentivizes the members to compare this cost against any benefit they can get by breaking the trust. Its similar in spirit to stealing a lot of money and then running away to some other country.

    Crypto is a very good example. Everyone in real life who is a crypto enthusiast, isnt much interested "security" or "decentralized" etc etc, those are just buzzwords to trap the fish. What they really want is to "get rich quick". They openly admit it. If you commit fraud in crypto, like manipulating the market by spreading fud, there is absolutely NOTHING that can be done to you, because nobody owns it.

    But in a physical space, the group can react. If you mess with them beyond a threshold, they can take your stuff (fines), take your land (exile), and/or inflict physical damage.

    Also, a physical space shared by people, who trust each other AND defend each other (militia), solves the "guard problem", which is a problem that concerns rich people living in an island. The problem basically is that who is really guarding them from the guards ? All groups in history, be it a small tribe or a big empire or nation, the prime need for doing that instead of being an individual going their own way, is to guard against other groups. In a group vs individual, the survival of individual is very unlikely.
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    Re: A mgtow economy-would it work?

    This is some dialogue! The board of mgtow has spoken. Another quick thought were small office branches scattered all linked to a virtual hub that connects to all mgtow companies worldwide. Incoming/outgoing parcels/letters & local meetings just a way to communicate from private locations.


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