Thread: MGTOW. Are you pro-life or pro-choice?

MGTOW. Are you pro-life or pro-choice?

We all chose to go our own way but babies will still be born as it suddenly declines over the years.

Overall is mgtow pro choice (for abortion) or pro life (against abortion)?

Me: I am pro life 100%
I believe in biology and if women can decide when a man can be the father than they shouldn't be able to kill that same child when ever they want ESPECIALLY after 10 weeks.

Some side arguments as well:

Under the current Law I also believe if a woman goes across state lines to get a abortion because it is illegal in her state w/o her baby's father permission that she should be charged for kidnapping and murder. That is his child too and you can't just take his child and kill it with him having no say.

Under the current law it conflicts with biology it says that until a child is born it is NOT that man's child and therefore she has full rights over her body and THEIR kid. Yes you read that right.

I also believe any abortion after (3 weeks personally) but especially after the heartbeat was developed is extremely unethical and should be outlawed on a federal level. We were all kids once and it had to start somewhere. Any human in my opinion that can kill a piece of them is a sick piece of trash. You can say dead beat this and that but there is always room for and opportunity as long as both the kid and dad is alive for them to make up and have a connection...unlike when you KILL your child.

I really don't care either way, but I feel that the abortion issue is used as a red herring to keep other social issues subdued.

The extreme right can have socially insensitive stances on education, poverty, police brutality, fair sentencing, and host of other issues because their support base hates abortion.

The left can pretend to care about those issues but know that their stance on abortion rights prevents them from getting a lot of things done as well.

I'm technically pro choice, but there's dozens of issues I find more important than some skank being able to terminate a pregnancy. People are living in drug and gang infested, crime ridden communities with no reasonable method to get out, and being brutalized by police, with very little opportunity to earn a livable wage, but the abortion stalemate prevents those issues from getting addressed or at least having Washington admit they don't give a f**k.

So yeah, it doesn't really matter what we think. The issue will always be around to cover up the real issues.

Thou shalt not kill.

An a whole bunch of other stuff mankind does and bullshits ourselves that its all good.

Originally Posted by Knowledge of Self

I really don't care either way, but I feel that the abortion issue is used as a red herring to keep other social issues subdued.

The extreme right can have socially insensitive stances on education, poverty, police brutality, fair sentencing, and host of other issues because their support base hates abortion.

The left can pretend to care about those issues but know that their stance on abortion rights prevents them from getting a lot of things done as well.

I'm technically pro choice, but there's dozens of issues I find more important than some skank being able to terminate a pregnancy. People are living in drug and gang infested, crime ridden communities with no reasonable method to get out, and being brutalized by police, with very little opportunity to earn a livable wage, but the abortion stalemate prevents those issues from getting addressed or at least having Washington admit they don't give a f**k.

So yeah, it doesn't really matter what we think. The issue will always be around to cover up the real issues.

It comes to education. I personally turned $30 yes $30 into 5k and then into 450k...and I came form nothing i was dead broke food delivering on a bike staying with a friend... Had $7 to my name. People make nothing but excuses.

Originally Posted by mgtower

Thou shalt not kill.

An a whole bunch of other stuff mankind does and bullshits ourselves that its all good.

Absolutely.

Pro life.

Originally Posted by manaloneforever

It comes to education. I personally turned $30 yes $30 into 5k and then into 450k...and I came form nothing i was dead broke food delivering on a bike staying with a friend... Had $7 to my name. People make nothing but excuses.

That's great but we need opportunities for those who aren't as gifted and wise. An average to below average child in the ghetto should have a gateway to become a mechanic, construction worker, truck driver, if he/she isn't smart or dedicated enough to make the right moves to become wealthy. It seems to be all or nothing, either you're brilliant and you make it out, or you're stuck in the vicious cycle.

I know a lot of people cite their "Immigrant parents that came over here with nothing" as a way to showcase the American dream without addressing that outside of some Mexicans that can literally catch a ride over, most immigrants that make it to the US are very driven, industrious people. What they may have lacked in finances, they more than made up with determination. However, that is not a realistic expectation of the overall population. Most people are average and have average drive. A middle class child with average drive becomes an accountant or IT professional. A child in the ghetto with average drive ends up being a criminal because it would take a exceptional person to rise above those surroundings.

However, the government can't even get to the heart of these issues because they're too busy fighting Roe V Wade...

Pro life for the exception of rape or incest. I feel the kid deserves to live a good life. If the mother doesn't want the kid anymore, then let the child be born and give him/her to an orphanage. In my opinion, abortion is a type of murder.

However, I am pro-choice when it comes to getting COVID vaccines. It's your body; your health and it should be your choice if you want to protect it or risk harm from a virus.

I'm catholic and I can't ever justify terminating a child of God. It can never be my decision, only His.

In one respect I am conflicted. I don't like the idea of unwanted children being born and then suffering due to shit parents.

BUT.. how hard is it to use contraception? And I think it is rather sick when I see the Leftard's celebrating abortion. They are killing a life. I don't care about the technicalities of what they perceive as a life. If these Leftards can claim that animals have souls and there are limitless genders and sexualities than life starts from conception.

So overall I am Pro Life. To me Pro choice means using contraception. It's not that difficult.

Give me the power of god for just one day and I'll show you a fucking abortion!

Das boot

Originally Posted by DangZagnut

Pro-choice.

Abortion saves mens’ lives.

Anti-abortion arguments come from religious nonsense, therefore, not an argument based on reality.

And mostly based on just hating women.

To see anti-abortionists hatred, watch their actions, not their words.

You may be entitled to your "nonsense, therefore, not an argument based on reality" fuxcked up, double-digit IQ opinion, but that manner of expressing it is insulting to others...much like my intentioned, adjectival response may well be. Of course, it may not be, and at the end of the day, i guess i don't much GAF b/c it's only the internet anyway..

Das boot

Originally Posted by Knowledge of Self

I really don't care either way, but I feel that the abortion issue is used as a red herring to keep other social issues subdued.

It's not a red herring for women. We forget, sometimes, that the realities of childbirth are the single most important thing in their lives. Since our civilisation is gynocentric, of course these questions occupy a huge part of the public discourse.

As for the question itself, I like the biblical view: that a person is not alive until they draw their first breath. It is the view of most premodern cultures, and it's a sensible place to draw the line. The only other place to draw it is at conception, and a clump of cells is clearly not a person.

The hebrew 'ruach' means 'breath'. The greek 'pnumea' means 'breath'. Even the latin 'spiritus' means 'breath'. Every word translated 'spirit' is simply 'breath'. Adam became a living soul when the breath entered him, and when we die the breath leaves us. The bible is pretty consistent on this one. If it ain't breathing, it ain't alive. The only biblical reply is a single proof text from Psalms.

The other point is that the scripture does not outlaw killing, but murder. There's plenty of sanctioned killing in the bible. Whether a particular killing is or is not murder is a question to be settled. It's not at all obvious that killing your own child is murder. After all: you gave them life in the first place.

Biblically, a patriarch owns the lives of his livestock, his slaves, his wives, and his children. Abraham never suggested that Isaac's life was not his to give. Jepthatah didn't keep livestock in the house, he had slaves and family in there. And, of course, God the Father had the parental right to offer his only begotten son as a human sacrifice to himself to atone for the sins of the world; not to mention the parental right to throw his disobedient, ungrateful children into a hell where they will be burned alive forever. He made us, he's allowed to do that. Biblically, choosing the disposition of a child's life is a paternal right.

The remaining issue, of course, is abortion-on-demand. Is it ok for the mother to do this? Biblically, the answer is probably no, and a couple of the other responses on this thread touch on this.

But I ain't no Christian, so I don't care what the bible says .

I say: fuck it. I just don't care. Every flushed feetus is one less drain on society, one fewer fatherless kid. The problem with our society isn't the ease with which a woman can end a pregnancy, but the ease with which she can end a marriage. Yes, they both come from the same source, the same nihilistic impulse. But the great wound that will not heal is not the cell clumps being removed, but a generation of people - men and women - navigating the launch into adult life without a dad.

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Originally Posted by DangZagnut

Anti-abortion arguments come from religious nonsense, therefore, not an argument based on reality.

Not an insult directed at anyone in particular. Everyone thinks that other people's religions are bullshit, and taking exception to this is being way too thin-skinned.

Originally Posted by Workabout

You may be entitled to your "nonsense, therefore, not an argument based on reality" fuxcked up, double-digit IQ opinion,

Insult directed at DangZagnut. Infraction issued.

Originally Posted by DangZagnut

How on Earth can I, a mere horrible stinky liberal atheist, possibly insult my betters, those who prefer to believe Harry Potter? if anything, I'm a source of amusement and laughter for daring to not believe in magic.

Insult directed at Workabout. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it, not interested in verbal quibbling about the precise wording so don't try it on. Infraction issued.

Take a bit more care. This is just about the only rule I enforce, and it works wonderfully well. Do not insult other members.

Originally Posted by Mr Wombat

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Not an insult directed at anyone in particular. Everyone thinks that other people's religions are bullshit, and taking exception to this is being way too thin-skinned.


Insult directed at DangZagnut. Infraction issued.


Insult directed at Workabout. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it, not interested in verbal quibbling about the precise wording so don't try it on. Infraction issued.

Take a bit more care. This is just about the only rule I enforce, and it works wonderfully well. Do not insult other members.

There, I deleted everything. This seems to always happen when this conversation turns up.

PRO Abortion

That being said, I'm more ANTI Leftist so I would completely support a U.S. federal ban abortion if that meant the blue states seceded (this coming from a Californian).

Originally Posted by DangZagnut

There, I deleted everything. This seems to always happen when this conversation turns up.

No worries, thanks. These ones always get heated, and it's always the same arguments. I kinda feel that we are not going to settle the question on this forum.

Originally Posted by brockstar

PRO Abortion

That being said, I'm more ANTI Leftist so I would completely support a U.S. federal ban abortion if that meant the blue states seceded (this coming from a Californian).

If cross state migration data is to be believed, it looks like the California citizens are seceding themselves right outa commiefornia.