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    How big is MGTOW?

    For every guy that identifies as MGTOW I wonder just how many others are out there that maybe haven’t even heard of the term.

    Why ask the question?

    Well, I personally know a group of about 15 – 20 men in the 30 – 45 age group that don’t seem to have much interest in relationships with women. (I’m being deliberately vague here so as not to doxx my situation) They don’t strike me as incel as they have friendly, outgoing personalities, are ordinary, average looking guys, and for the most part are in gainful employment. They socialise together regularly, they seem happy, and enjoy female company – some engaging in short term relationships but none seem interested in ‘settling down’. None of them have ever been married and as far as I know none have kids. Neither do they come across as gay which could be another reason for lack of interest in females.

    Saying that I personally know them, I only know them well enough to know a few of their first names and to pass a few comments about the weather, sports, politics or current affairs, not well enough to bring up subjects such as MGTOW.

    Whilst I could insert myself easily into this group, as a ghost I have no desire to do so. They seem happy with their lives as am I, although I must admit I am more than a little curious. For all I know they are all active online just as they don’t know I am (I presume). That being said they don’t strike me as the type, but then again I go to great lengths not to appear as ‘the type’ in my real life encounters so who knows?

    Just as I feel I have found a community here online that I can identify with, this group has managed to do just the same thing in real life. I have absolutely no idea if they’re even aware of the concept of the red-pill, but to me it doesn’t matter that much as the effect is much the same.

    Even if they don’t articulate it they are obviously aware of how gynocentric society has become. This blows my mind simply because for years I felt I was alone here in Ireland in my views with regards women and relationships.

    Regardless of online statistics and theories about what is and is not, we are not alone my friends.
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    Re: How big is MGTOW?

    Do the math 6 decades of feminism running rampant. They wreaked havoc on the nuclear family. Millions of men went through the meatgrinder in the last 6 decades. If they have an IQ that reaches barely room temperature then they should have learned their lesson and living a MGTOW lifestyle by now.

    p.s. I lived a MGTOW lifestyle for decades without even being aware.
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    Re: How big is MGTOW?

    I think there are more men going MGTOW for the simple reasons that 1) relationships are not worth the effort we must put into them; 2) women are much more economically self-sufficient which takes the pressure off us; and 3) in light of low standards being established for sexual harassment and the very threat of false accusations, it is as much a matter of self-preservation as anything else.

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    Re: How big is MGTOW?

    Quote Originally Posted by Revenant View Post
    I think there are more men going MGTOW for the simple reasons that 1) relationships are not worth the effort we must put into them; 2) women are much more economically self-sufficient which takes the pressure off us; and 3) in light of low standards being established for sexual harassment and the very threat of false accusations, it is as much a matter of self-preservation as anything else.

    Points 1 & 3 I get obviously, but with regards point 2:

    If women are more self-sufficient does that not make them more desirable i.e. they won't be as draining on our resources?

    Also 'taking the pressure off us' implies that today's women are easier to get along with?
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    Re: How big is MGTOW?

    Perhaps it is simply a byproduct of the fact that women are working overtime to make themselves less attractive to men. That might not be what they are trying to do, but they are doing it none the less. You don't have to be red pilled in any way to simply not be attracted to most modern women. You could be completely blue pill and not understand a single reason why you aren't attracted to them. You would be left with the fact that you are not gay, and yet still aren't attracted to women. What would that look like exactly? I think maybe you have described it.

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    Re: How big is MGTOW?

    Quote Originally Posted by Revenant View Post
    ...it is as much a matter of self-preservation as anything else.
    I definitely agree with this one. There are too many risks for being involved with women. For me, I am surrounded by women at work with which I strictly communicate when needed and professionally.

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    Re: How big is MGTOW?

    Gotta say I think our numbers are still relatively small but seem to be growing by the day.\
    I have talked with men of different ages about relationships and MGTOW. For the most part few even know what the heck I am talking about so we are a rather small minority. But,..Now I gotta say I do delight when I see the look on guys faces when they do "GET" what I am saying. It is like a big 'ole spotlight just came on.!!

    Funny story.... A couple years ago I was watching some Youtube bullshit or another when a Vid popped up about MGTOW,...well hell's bells,..me being a car guy and all,... i thought some dudes little British shit car had broke down as was calling for a wrecker....
    Had never even heard the name MGTOW before that. Wow bros........and now I are one... LOL

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    Re: How big is MGTOW?

    The original question in this thread's title is difficult to answer.

    We know that the majority of MGTOW are actually unaware of MGTOW's existence. They have discovered the lifestyle but not its name or that it is a thing. I myself fell into that category for years until I chanced upon it online one night and immediately recognised it. (That was quite a moment, I can tell you; epiphany!)

    As to how big that majority is, who knows? I've heard 2/3 and 3/4 but these can only be guesses.
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    Re: How big is MGTOW?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Points 1 & 3 I get obviously, but with regards point 2:

    If women are more self-sufficient does that not make them more desirable i.e. they won't be as draining on our resources?

    Also 'taking the pressure off us' implies that today's women are easier to get along with?
    The point I was trying to make (maybe I failed) was that in past generations there was incredible pressure put on men to marry because women could not independently support themselves otherwise. Now that the situation has changed, that pressure has been eliminated or diminished. As far as making them easier to deal with, not really, because in my experience they are always seeking to make their situation better and they view the men in their life as a means to achieve those desires.

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    Re: How big is MGTOW?

    Anyone contemplate the possibility that women also carry a "disruption gene?" Whenever they enter into a relationship, a situation, a job, whatever the case may be, they typically want to change something to fit their own personal preferences, whether or not the outcome will benefit that relationship or situation or job. I believe the disruption gene is a product of self-centeredness, immaturity, and lack of objectivity. As more and more women are attain positions of power and influence, their tendencies to destabilize the environments in which they operate will become more and more apparent. I believe that will cause the GYOW movement to grow, and hopefully begin to undo and repair some of the destruction we've witnessed over the past two generations. That's assuming civilized society makes it to that point, which appears uncertain at present.

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    Re: How big is MGTOW?

    My take on the original question is a bit more abstract.

    How big is MGTOW? Given the benefits of going your own way, I would say that MGTOW is inversely proportional to the depth of the vagina.


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    Re: How big is MGTOW?

    My perception of MGTOW is that it's as big as it needs to be! Ticket for one, and that's me, I'm my own conductor and punched my own ticket on my one and only trip through life!

    As far as I'm concerned, all other trains go to proverbial AUSCHWITZ!

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    Re: How big is MGTOW?

    That thumbnail. LMFAO! You, sir, made my day or better evening It's late here over the pond
    "MGTOW is an extreme measure to an extreme situation"
    Quote Insidious Sid: "Some men are so MGTOW they're not even MGTOW".
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    Re: How big is MGTOW?

    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    Anyone contemplate the possibility that women also carry a "disruption gene?" Whenever they enter into a relationship, a situation, a job, whatever the case may be, they typically want to change something to fit their own personal preferences, whether or not the outcome will benefit that relationship or situation or job. I believe the disruption gene is a product of self-centeredness, immaturity, and lack of objectivity. As more and more women are attain positions of power and influence, their tendencies to destabilize the environments in which they operate will become more and more apparent. I believe that will cause the GYOW movement to grow, and hopefully begin to undo and repair some of the destruction we've witnessed over the past two generations. That's assuming civilized society makes it to that point, which appears uncertain at present.
    You may have a point and its nothing new to humans, its no coincidence that eve got adam and herself kicked out from heaven and it was pandora to open the box, mythology is usually a simple way to teach ignorant people about principles.

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    Re: How big is MGTOW?

    It's less than 1% of the population of any given country. I would argue the defining characteristic of a man claiming to go his own way is the ability to separate "the narrative" from the truth. The truth is often enough for a given individual to guide their lives to something other than what is being offered on the menu.

    I would be interested in feedback on what would classify a man going his own way because of the sheer amount of fuckery depicting mgtow in media forms from blogs to youtube as a group of hate. For better or worse we got stuck with Men traveling as a group instead of the Man (the individual) going his own way.
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    Re: How big is MGTOW?

    I would be interested in feedback on what would classify a man going his own way because of the sheer amount of fuckery depicting mgtow in media forms from blogs to youtube as a group of hate. For better or worse we got stuck with Men traveling as a group instead of the Man (the individual) going his own way.
    This is due to the fact that there are a lot of people making videos about MGTOW and they have no clue what it's all about in the first place. It is hard to establish the numbers because we don't know. I assume that the MGTOW community is only the tip of the iceberg. in 6 decades millions of men have been burned by the divorce industry. The question is how many men learned their lesson from this bad experience. I heard of men married for the third or fourth time. Something I 'm in difficulties to understand for being honest.

    MGTOW is growing worldwide but we have no idea how many men are living the MGTOW life style without being aware that communities have formed on that issue. Only the future will tell but I have this sensation that feminism has rolled a first small snowball down the hill. If things won't change this snowball is going to become an avalanche.
    Just my 2 cents.
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    Re: How big is MGTOW?

    Quote Originally Posted by Free and Clear View Post
    I would be interested in feedback on what would classify a man going his own way because of the sheer amount of fuckery depicting mgtow in media forms from blogs to youtube as a group of hate. For better or worse we got stuck with Men traveling as a group instead of the Man (the individual) going his own way.
    Here is what happens regarding hate. A man somehow manages to open his eyes to what is going on around him. He sees bullshit constantly thrown in his face from every direction. Bullshit he had been blissfully unaware of. Not being an uncaring, unfeeling automaton, it grinds his gears, it rubs him the wrong way. At first he might naively call out the bullshit for what it is. He gets even more bullshit thrown in his face. It grinds his gears even more. In time, his naivety turns into frustration, bitterness, cynicism. These forceful reactions of raw honesty are not tolerated at all, and he gets accused of hate. In effect, he gets gaslighted, i.e., he gets even more bullshit thrown in his face. The “hate” MGTOWs are accused of is, in most cases, their aversion to this never-ending, societal-level mental abuse. Put more forcefully, it is a reaction to collective insanity.

    As Zed the Zen priest wrote:

    A puppy returns love for love, but if you beat it[, it] will eventually turn mean and will one day turn on you when you raise your fist or your stick (or the club of words) to hit it. Men are no different.

    As for men traveling as a group… To me, a man going his own way is just a man walking away from this abuse. If it is even possible to walk away. Societies all over the world have their collective heads up their collective asses, to varying degrees, and they just keep pushing their heads even higher up. There is no place to go to. The only walking away is a mental one. Whether one can even pull this off is a different question. Zero Fucks Given? How many can reach that state of indifference? Where you are not bothered by the realization that the planet is a mental institution, and the inmates are in charge. So, our options are very limited. As a result, our individual paths may differ, but they are not that different. Nobody is a special snowflake. We are just men dealing with the same shit.

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    Re: How big is MGTOW?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zoidberg View Post
    Zero Fucks Given? How many can reach that state of indifference? Where you are not bothered by the realization that the planet is a mental institution, and the inmates are in charge.
    Fun Boy Three - The Lunatics Have Taken Over The Asylum



    The outro (is that a word?) says it all:

    The lunatics have taken over the asylum
    The lunatics have taken over the asylum
    The lunatics have taken over the asylum, take away my right to choose
    The lunatics have taken over the asylum, take away my point of view
    The lunatics have taken over the asylum
    The lunatics have taken over the asylum, take away my dignity
    Take these things away from me
    The lunatics have taken over the asylum
    The lunatics have taken over the asylum, take away my family
    Take away the right to speak
    The lunatics have taken over the asylum take away my point of view
    Take away my right to choose
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    Re: How big is MGTOW?

    On the point Free and Clear made about us being portrayed in a "hate" light, it doesn't surprise me that we're slapped with that label. The other side -- the dweeb/lib/socialist/uplifter side -- has the noxious habit of labeling the people they hate with the labels they themselves deserve. It's a sophomoric debating tactic, intended to bait and hook, place the opponent on the defense if he's dumb enough to bite, and divert the discussion away from the debate the name-caller is losing.

    Let's not forget, too, that this is a well-organized, well-funded conspiracy to take down traditional society. The soldiers on the front lines are coached in exactly what to say, how to say it, to whom to say it, and how to behave in public and in private. Do not doubt me on this.

    Who are the haters? I would suggest those terrible excuses for human beings take a good, long look in their mirrors. That will give them their collective answer.

    Why do they hate? Because, just like children who've been caught in a scam they always knew would never pan out, the other side (we, that is) forced them to examine themselves. And what they saw disgusted them. Let me state that a bit more-succinctly: They're disgusted by who they are. We know the truth, and so do they. We embrace it. But they're constantly trying to escape it, and they'll do anything to numb the process.

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    Re: How big is MGTOW?

    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    On the point Free and Clear made about us being portrayed in a "hate" light, it doesn't surprise me that we're slapped with that label. The other side -- the dweeb/lib/socialist/uplifter side -- has the noxious habit of labeling the people they hate with the labels they themselves deserve. It's a sophomoric debating tactic, intended to bait and hook, place the opponent on the defense if he's dumb enough to bite, and divert the discussion away from the debate the name-caller is losing.

    Let's not forget, too, that this is a well-organized, well-funded conspiracy to take down traditional society. The soldiers on the front lines are coached in exactly what to say, how to say it, to whom to say it, and how to behave in public and in private. Do not doubt me on this.

    Who are the haters? I would suggest those terrible excuses for human beings take a good, long look in their mirrors. That will give them their collective answer.

    Why do they hate? Because, just like children who've been caught in a scam they always knew would never pan out, the other side (we, that is) forced them to examine themselves. And what they saw disgusted them. Let me state that a bit more-succinctly: They're disgusted by who they are. We know the truth, and so do they. We embrace it. But they're constantly trying to escape it, and they'll do anything to numb the process.
    Hey, kru-kut, did you grow up, and grow old, living in a 280 acre condemned family campground? Where they gaslight you by handing you property tax demands for a building lot in a residential subdivision where the subdivision control act of 1966 was implemented making your so called "building lot" located in an illegal subdivision that surrendered under CEASE AND DESIST for operating without a Massachusetts license as recreational (not residential) area enjoined from opperating back in 1974. By 1997 it was closed down by official zoning order and here I is, standing under CEASE AND DESIST with the whole development suffering dyer consequences as nature's forest and her laws thereof, dictate how human life must survive while so located.

    Did you live through something like that?

    Your words of wisdom inspired truth, lead me to believe you see the conspiracy of feminism like peering through a glass house! You, like many of us have spent endless hours seeking out the truth and gathering evidence, we could in all honesty try them in a court of honesty and get them convicted of treason, murder, and criminal reckless endangerment of human life. But that won't happen, the courts of law have become a matter of opinion when it comes to handing out justice and whom they hand it to. Everything you said rings perfectly TRUE!

    You fucking NAILED IT! CONSPIRACY! Each a willing participant and running several decades long! A venerable HELL ON EARTH with miles and miles, decade upon decade of deterioration and destruction!

    FINAL DECREE: SOCIETY: CONDEMNED BY LAW!


    BACK TO SQUARE ONE!

    Ya know, it's the best time in history for men like us that don't argue with facts, we see the truth, take measures, and RUN!

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