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    Merit System Is Unjust Because It Rewards Productive Individuals, Professors Argue

    Professors from the University of Arizona and the University of Colorado, Colorado Springs are arguing that "success and merit" are "barriers" to the equity agenda.

    “Admitting that the normative definitions of success and merit are in and of themselves barriers to achieving the goals of justice, diversity, equity and inclusion is necessary but not sufficient to create change,” professors Beth Mitchneck and Jessi L. Smith recently wrote for Inside Higher Education.
    Mitchneck and Smith attributed those definitions to a "narrow definition of merit limited to a neoliberal view of the university." Specifically, they express concern that universities receive funding and recognition based on the individual performances of professors’ own work such as peer reviewed journals and studies.

    Campus Reform reached out to Smith, asking what should be done to alter the merit system. Smith did not provide any alternatives.
    The professors are not the only scholars in academia to critique the merit system. Last month, University of Illinois professor Eunmi Mun said that merit-based pay does not take "nonperformance-related factors" into account.
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    There is no "equity" or "justice" for the lazy in the wild, nor should there be for the lazy in society. Merit, hard work and a little imagination are the only things that matter to the survival of a culture....

    Imagine taking away land from productive farmers and giving the land to other unproductive people in order to accomplish some bizarre leftist equity fantasy. We would all be starving in short order. This is of course the Zimbabwe model which is also now being touted in SA where it is certain to bring on equally disastrous results. If fully implemented, this equity model would have us all living like hunter gatherers within decades.

    There is no merit to any of this CRT-based social science.

    These professors are whacked out and should be terminated. A much better argument is that a true meritocracy facilitates and advances "the goals of justice, diversity, equity and inclusion".

    We already have dumb-asses running everything in D.C. Might as well have dumb-assas running everything else.
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    Re: Merit System Is Unjust Because It Rewards Productive Individuals, Professors Argue

    Quote Originally Posted by CPRA View Post
    There is no "equity" or "justice" for the lazy in the wild, nor should there be for the lazy in society. Merit, hard work and a little imagination are the only things that matter to the survival of a culture....Imagine taking away land from productive farmers and giving the land to other unproductive people in order to accomplish some bizarre leftist equity fantasy. We would all be starving in short order. This is of course the Zimbabwe model which is also now being touted in SA where it is certain to bring on equally disastrous results.
    This is happening everywhere in society, there was an excellent thread a while back on how to deal with that in the workplace.
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    "The people fall into this misfortune when those in whom they confide, desirous of concealing their own corruption, endeavour to corrupt them. To disguise their own ambition, they speak to them only of the grandeur of the state; to conceal their own avarice, they incessantly flatter theirs.
    The corruption will increase among the corruptors, and likewise among those who are already corrupted. The people will divide the public money among themselves, and, having added the administration of affairs to their indolence, will be for blending their poverty with the amusements of luxury. But with their indolence and luxury, nothing but the public treasure will be able to satisfy their demands.
    We must not be surprised to see their suffrages given for money. It is impossible to make great largesses to the people without great extortion: and to compass this, the state must be subverted. The greater the advantages they seem to derive from their liberty, the nearer they approach towards the critical moment of losing it. Petty tyrants arise who have all the vices of a single tyrant. The small remains of liberty soon become insupportable; a single tyrant starts up, and the people are stripped of everything, even of the profits of their corruption."
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    Re: Merit System Is Unjust Because It Rewards Productive Individuals, Professors Argue

    Considering the secretly frantic, blaming inept, and willfully distracted minds that are being formed within most people in this Social Media Age of Modernity, I do not recommend that you seek a position of intense responsibility in Aviation.

    I do not trust them.

    Bigoted and burdensome layers of 'social engineering' will now fill your employee handbook, as well as you needing to possess the internal genius and deep awareness of the strict complexities (hard science, logistics, clear communication, aviation law, weather conditions, potential for disaster, etc.) required for this life-and-limb Task.

    I do not trust trust them.

    I manage (schedule maintenance, review billing, accompany aircraft to Gulfstream service facilities, mind future planning, keep perfect logbook entries, etc.) and Crew Chief (responsible for airworthiness, amenities, and a pristine condition) Gulfstream corporate aircraft, also flying up front behind the pilots (jumpseat) on trips as a Flight Mechanic and as part of the suited-up, trained crew.

    I have spent many an hour (since 1989) in the trenches of hands-on labor with complex aircraft: working overseas, sweating in humid hangars, jammed into tight spaces and dark fuel tanks, turning wrenches in the sun on the scorching tarmac, freezing in the snow, enduring sickness in foreign countries, dripping in the rain, under pressure of tight schedule but still loyal to quality work, always striving to maintain an intense awareness of safety, speaking candidly with pilots, speaking cautiously with high-level executives, ad infinitum.

    I departed My aviation related career in 2016; I'm not going back. Unless you are part of an exceptional (mature minds and honest hearts) and well-funded executive flight department (I was in the end - Toyota Motor Company) then this will be precarious, especially in the commercial (airlines) aviation field.

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    Re: Merit System Is Unjust Because It Rewards Productive Individuals, Professors Argue

    Quote Originally Posted by CPRA View Post

    Commenters:
    There is no "equity" or "justice" for the lazy in the wild, nor should there be for the lazy in society. Merit, hard work and a little imagination are the only things that matter to the survival of a culture....

    Imagine taking away land from productive farmers and giving the land to other unproductive people in order to accomplish some bizarre leftist equity fantasy. We would all be starving in short order. This is of course the Zimbabwe model which is also now being touted in SA where it is certain to bring on equally disastrous results. If fully implemented, this equity model would have us all living like hunter gatherers within decades.
    The architects of this redistribution always seem to assume that all people are champing at the bit to be highly productive if it weren't for some tragic happenstance that denied them the opportunity to thrive.

    Not enough recognition that people continually weigh their willingness to expend new effort against the consequences of their inertia, deciding if they want to strive for more or can live with what they currently have (or don't have).

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    Re: Merit System Is Unjust Because It Rewards Productive Individuals, Professors Argue

    The correct way of looking at these developments -- corporations, the wealthy, the financial sector are inventing new ways of disciplining labor while looking progressive.

    Conservatism makes the problem worse. Wokeness results from concentrated wealth. The upper middle class, in a precarious position because of globalism, has an incentive to handicap themselves, to signal status in all sorts of grotesque, perverse, esoteric, and constantly changing ways to show they belong and shouldn't get kicked down to working third shift at Wally World with no bennies for being unfashionable. In the era of absolute monarchy one could observe the same thing in its courtier culture, which is what we have now with 400 people having 20% of the wealth.

    Clownworld is the symptom but not the disease.

    The solution is to tax the crap out the rich, punitively, just for being rich, so there is no longer an incentive for anyone to pander to their bizarre Hunger Games-like preferences. The second part is to beef up worker protections. If it is tough to fire people, or if you're comfortable whether you're working or not because we decided handouts are good, then this system would only be hurting itself by going woke.

    The problem isn't the toxic left. It is that boomer conservatism is such an ineffective opposition, allergic to wielding power, allergic to collectivism and collective action, with a long track record of failure outside of tax cuts for the donors.

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    Re: Merit System Is Unjust Because It Rewards Productive Individuals, Professors Argue

    In other words lower the bar so Karen can make it over.

    I see this in my work place, I have seen so many people, male and female get promotions only because they are buddies with the boss, these people then fuck it all up and they come to me. I don't want it because I actually do take it seriously if in that role and will push myself. But I will not do that because it simply isn't worth it.

    Long story short, pushing the wrong people forward only makes the right people walk away. It hurts the business in the end, but who gives a shit, it's not my business anyway.

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    Re: Merit System Is Unjust Because It Rewards Productive Individuals, Professors Argue

    Ok, hang on please, i think i know whats being said here, you might be missreading it.

    On achedemia, there is a phrase called "publish or perish". That is that unless you regularly get published in research journals you will be fired. Many professors i know are really pissed off thst they have to spend as much time working on journal papers they could not care less about instead of teaching students useful job skills that will help them in the future.

    Given the absolute trainwreck that low effort gender studies papers have made of society, i am not so certain "less typing more teaching" is a sentiment we should condem?

    Can we get more context here please?

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    Re: Merit System Is Unjust Because It Rewards Productive Individuals, Professors Argue

    Quote Originally Posted by Kryptic View Post
    I have seen so many people, male and female get promotions only because they are buddies with the boss, these people then fuck it all up and they come to me. I don't want it because I actually do take it seriously if in that role and will push myself. But I will not do that because it simply isn't worth it. Long story short, pushing the wrong people forward only makes the right people walk away. It hurts the business in the end, but who gives a shit, it's not my business anyway.
    Similar situation at my place, at least half the workforce is there because they are friends or related to someone who is already part of the workforce. Rather than management pick the best out of multiple candidates they will employ any idiot who walks in off the streets.

    The people who get promoted have to deal with these idiots while the management who employed them do nothing.
    I just refuse to apply for promotion in the first place, 10% more money for 100% more stress and aggravation .
    Men are becoming MGTOW by the millions, most without ever having heard the term. They are simply doing what all living organisms finding themselves in a toxic environment do. They adapt to it or remove themselves from it. Females are not liking either the adaptations or the removal.

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    Equity without equal merit is unjust. Both to the more qualified and to the less qualified.

    The more qualified are justifiably enraged.


    The less qualified do not get the daily sense of accomplishment that motivates us to push through struggles.

    In the name of equity the beneficiaries' character development is stunted.


    It doesn't even result in inclusivity because the under qualified aren't able to keep up with the even more rarified "colleagues"
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    Conservatism makes the problem worse. Wokeness results from concentrated wealth.
    Conservatives have completely been asleep at the wheel of antitrust. Just by being too damn big private tyrannies are created.

    Partly the libertarian strain has discouraged it. But these companies that are so big they're "too big to fail" or defacto private nation states? break them up!
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    This is of course the Zimbabwe model which is also now being touted in SA where it is certain to bring on equally disastrous results.
    if only the corrupt African leaders brazen theft and resentment lead to starvation sufficient to purge the motherfuckers from the gene pool. My people desperately need a genetic bottleneck that only the most fit survive.

    unfortunately the fucking do-gooders, NGOs and the UN types, prevent nature from taking its course (resentment of white people should be evolutionarily catastrophic). ������

    I want a 100 year halt to ALL immigration but would make an exception for whites on the African continent.
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    "The few who understand the system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent on its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."
    -- The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863

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    Re: Merit System Is Unjust Because It Rewards Productive Individuals, Professors Argue

    Quote Originally Posted by stanmsl View Post
    Similar situation at my place, at least half the workforce is there because they are friends or related to someone who is already part of the workforce. Rather than management pick the best out of multiple candidates they will employ any idiot who walks in off the streets.

    The people who get promoted have to deal with these idiots while the management who employed them do nothing.
    I just refuse to apply for promotion in the first place, 10% more money for 100% more stress and aggravation .
    And when you realize how little extra money in comparison to how much your workload and responsibility increases it is an eye opener. I see the people in higher roles in my company and they are on salary and doing at times 16 hour days. I might not get paid as much as they do but when my shift ends it ends. And if they want me to do more hours, I get paid over time.

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    Merit System Is Unjust Because It Rewards Productive Individuals
    And that is exactly why bullcrap like Affirmative Action exists. Any system that does not recognise and reward excellence is doomed to failure. The major beneficiaries of AA policies are women. If women were capable of competing against men on an equal basis then AA would not exist. The fact that AA does exist is why women are so often promoted to positions above their capability. These same women then proceed to inflict their stupidity and ignorance on everyone around them. No wonder industry in the west is going to hell in a handbasket.

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    Feminine societies are what the elites want. Can't have easily controlled individuals that are successful and independent.
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    Vulgmarx makes a good point. The college system is already a total mess from many years of lowering standards, along with extreme price increases. The "normative standard" measure of performance for professors now is production of published papers, in the thousands of low quality journals no one reads. So these two professors might be trying to address the problem, get back to teaching.

    Along with so many institutions in this society, college is a disaster in progress. They aren't giving $200,000 worth of real educational value to students during the four years of college. It's a luxury good of questionable utility, and which gender is willing to spend without consideration of real value? Women are taking over the college system. Get the dumbed down degree, pick up a nice office job, then demand "equal pay" for doing half of what a male would be expected to do in the same position.


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