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    Re: Men aren't attracted to Gender-Neutral Women

    I thank god I don't need to date at this period of time, but even then it does not mean that there are no women, just that they are more scarce

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    Re: Men aren't attracted to Gender-Neutral Women

    Not so ironically, most women aren't attracted to gender neutral men either. It is another myth pushed by the Nutters.

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    Re: Men aren't attracted to Gender-Neutral Women

    That was my problem. I saw women as equal and not the slot machines they are.They really walked all over me.I was the only guy who took them on dates. The other guys just banged them and left. Guess who they hated and treated like shit? I'll give you a hint. The one who wrote this post.

    As I entered my 30s after a brutal marriage and just dealing with women in general, I went my own way and realized people in general just drain me. Nobody cares about me unless I'm providing. If you think you are missing out then look at other guys. How worn out they are due to women. But yet they still chase pussy and look in their 80s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MGTOWFOREVER View Post
    That was my problem. I saw women as equal and not the slot machines they are.They really walked all over me.I was the only guy who took them on dates. The other guys just banged them and left. Guess who they hated and treated like shit? I'll give you a hint. The one who wrote this post.

    As I entered my 30s after a brutal marriage and just dealing with women in general, I went my own way and realized people in general just drain me. Nobody cares about me unless I'm providing. If you think you are missing out then look at other guys. How worn out they are due to women. But yet they still chase pussy and look in their 80s.
    I was all over the place regarding my views on women. In many ways I was cynical and saw them as dangerous, I was very cautious and virtually all of my sex life was paid for to avoid that drama. In other ways I saw them as these magical creatures and if one spoke to me I felt special.

    I missed lots of cues from them as well. The looks they would give, the smiles, even when they would touch me or show interest. My self esteem was terrible and coming from being bullied at school and at home I couldn't believe that anyone would actually like me. I would walk away from these women and then the light bulb would go on in my head - "oh shit, I think she liked me!" It was too late by that stage of course!

    I find people to be draining as well and in regards to dates, I would notice that women would just sit back judging me, in most cases they probably already made up their mind the second they saw me approaching them. It didn't matter if it was a meet after chatting online either, it didn't matter if there seemed to be some rapport online, common interests etc.

    Relationships just seemed transnational to me.

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    Re: Men aren't attracted to Gender-Neutral Women

    If you are still complaining about feminists then you have not moved forward in your understanding of what's going on in the world.

    Better to understand who is behind feminism and why. Who is pushing of homosexuality, transgenderism, gender neutralism.

    Then you will stop seeing shitty women and feminists as 'the enemy' and instead focus on who created them.

    A good piece of advice for lost and confused men is to STOP being led by the subversive narrative and START being a real man. Unfiltered. Yeah you might lose your office job but so what? You can be a real man working construction or driving a truck.

    What will happen is you will be purging the degenerate, subversive and satanic anti-truth narrative from your life, and you will start to FEEL better as you are living in accordance with TRUTH and you will attract other like-minded people.

    STAYING in clown world is your choice and thus you are the one to blame if you are still complaining about it years later.

    Change yourself.

    Note - not aimed at the OP as such but to men who are still under the thumb of satanic feminism and satanic cultural narratives in general.
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    Re: Men aren't attracted to Gender-Neutral Women

    Prior to my Redpilling, I got involved somewhat in the local polyamorous scene, thinking that maybe these gender-liberated, body-positive, forward-thinking women would be accepting folks who are cool with autists and those who are a little bit weird. As it turns out, they were the exact opposite of everything that they espouse. It truly is just horrible Millenials openly cucking their husbands and banging Chad. They were all highly educated mega-sluts who who basically wanted to extend the college experience of being surrounded by orbiters (who they clearly disparage) into adult-hood and ever after. And you better bet that only the tallest, most masculine, highest earning guys got all the pussy. The rest were just there to pay the bills.

    Observing these people on social media, I came to learn that they consider their freakish (that's the only word that really applies) appearance as a shit-test. There was one who shaved her head bald, just to see if she could land commitment from a simp while looking like a pin-head from the old carnivals. Check out pictures from the old movie "Freaks." And it worked. She got a guy to marry her. As soon as that happened, a large number of other women in the group shaved their heads as well. Seriously, it turned into an Uncle Fester look-alike contest. That is not hyperbole.

    As far as I can tell, alot of women out there are still suffering from One-itis, in that they think the world owes them a high-value man. They have a ludicrously inflated sense of their own value. And since they are "destined" to have Chad-buxx, they feel that they can get away with literally any excesses of body and behaviour. So they kinda seek to out-do each other in just how hideous they can appear, as a sign of that value. It's dick-waving virtue-signaling on a mass scale.

    Another thing about them. They are all sexual submissives. They enjoy being sexually dominated/degraded by Chad. Maybe that's part of it, appearing as a freak to signal that they'll take it hard. I don't know.
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    Re: Men aren't attracted to Gender-Neutral Women

    Quote Originally Posted by McDudeski McGee View Post
    That's the easy part. The hard part is getting people comfortable with hierarchy, collectivism, and the state again, instead of kosher Cold War narratives about our freedom.

    Conservatism is a bizarre postmodern Cold War system of thinking. Before then, the right loved the state -- Bismarck, Napoleon III, Disraeli, Teddy Roosevelt. In contrast, conservatism is just liberalism, and they'll even tell you that they're classical liberals.

    The problem with conservatism is that, because it values freedom above else, that means we're creating a power vacuum on purpose. If we're going to redpill people just to elect politicians who financialize the economy (fuck Saint Reagan, he just transferred wealth from us to them), keeping capital gains taxes low for the hedge fund and private equity guys, corporate inversions that incentivize offshoring so Wall Street can get the profits from selling our tech base, endless immigration (as long as it is legal they tell us!) and have a massive military used to fight wars for Israel, we really haven't changed things. In fact, we'd be making them worse. Then they use the money and influence to push the cultural stuff everyone hates, in full knowledge that the backlash will mean more tax cuts for them and less oversight and regulation for people like the Sacklers who have gotten countless people killed with opioids.

    Keith Woods has a recent video on odysee on the making of the modern right -- I'd definitely give that a view.
    The bottom line is all these terms are meaningless unless they describe a specific problem. Which conservatism, right, left etc do not.
    You're always going to have mankind split between such things.
    What matters is WHO is doing WHAT to us and WHY.
    The more we red pill people about that, the more useless the above terms become because the ultimate red pill is that this tiny group of parasites want the rest of us dead.
    It isn't conservatism, liberalism etc etc that are the source problem. They are tools used by the source problem.
    The source problem is that a group of people have a specific ideology that makes them want to steal from, enslave and murder us because they believe they are superior. And they now control nearly everything including the minds of the vast majority of people.
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    Re: Men aren't attracted to Gender-Neutral Women

    Here I disagree. How did the source problem become a problem in the first place? Anglos took their own racial instincts as universal principles, believed that every human on the inside was really an Anglo, or at least aspired to be an Anglo, and invited everyone in, including the top positions. Removing one group doesn't solve a problem if other groups such as the Chinese or the Indians or whoever can step in and fill the void and rule over us. Peoples unwilling to wield power shouldn't protest when they are told what to do by others. This is why the anti-vax stuff was so blackpilling for me. We're libertarians again? FML
    The Chinese ruling over us is the latest fear porn/cold war mk II so that the masses allow their masters to continue their reckless plans unabated. Better accept that jab, that jab passport and complete control over your entire life, or 'the Chinese will take us over'! Those pesky Russkis! Those dodgy Chinese!

    Did it ever occur to you that China is already controlled by the same people? No? Why not? They controlled Russia during the complete 'cold war' false flag. Those people control the money of the entire world, more or less. This includes China. No country is an island, without being on good terms with the West they'd lose half their wealth.

    China IS the model, where everything is tightly controlled so they never lose power. They were behind Mao and they are behind China's politicians now.

    I spoke to a guy at the weekend who'd spent time cycling around China. He said he was checked by police everywhere he went, facial recognition scanners everywhere, shoving them in your face. This is what is our masters want for us, we're no competitor to the Chinese, the merger and acquisition was some time ago!!

    It isn't an ideology; it is an instinct. Bernie Madoff mostly screwed over his own kind. There is very low power distance there, which means they don't like to stand on ceremony, do like to argue, and do enjoy getting around rules. They also have really high uncertainty avoidance, that is, they're highly neurotic. Both of these traits make sense if you think of the selection pressures involved -- paranoia and distrust of authority are beneficial traits if you're an oppressed minority. But they don't work when you're in charge of stuff. The current American elite could rule for thousands of years like Pharaohs if they had different instincts, but that's not what is going to happen. They're alienating their allies and simultaneously bringing in millions of immigrants -- people like Ilhan Omar -- who are redpilled on these things.


    It is a religious, spiritual ideology with powerful motivations which always manifests as genociding everyone else. It is a cancer which must be wiped off the face of the earth if we are to ever live in peace.

    I honestly fail to see how anyone who has looked into history properly, and can understand who is behind it now, can come to another conclusion.

    Thanks for your considered reply!

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    Re: Men aren't attracted to Gender-Neutral Women

    You appear to be well-read and a good writer. However you are confused on some things and this is why you're labelling people as 'conservatives' or 'liberals'... or whatever.

    No one is 'a conservative' or 'a liberal'. Those are egocentric ideas. I am both a conservative and a liberal over a thousand different topics. By complaining about 'tories' or 'libs' you're stuck in the division that the powers that be created, through the 'showbusiness for ugly people' that is politics. There is only ONE division and that's ordinary people, versus people who want to genocide us.

    More specifically, it's versus people who have the COLLECTIVE will and motivation to genocide us. If they did not exist, there would be a relative few psychopaths who could never achieve anything because they would be completely disparate. What we have is a complete network of people with the same ideology who believe themselves superior in every way, and who always seek to steal from, enslave and kill us. See history.

    That's the ONLY problem facing humanity. All other problems pale into insignificance, they are by definition 'first world problems' because it is mostly petty squabbling compared to real problems such as the aforementioned, and those facing people who do not have enough money to eat. It is squabbling over 'gender roles', over political arguments created BY those who run the corrupt and fake political system.

    When you say believing in our freedoms is a problem, what do you mean specifically? If you're saying that it's the belief in freedom that causes rulers to appear who take away our freedom, then what is your alternative - believing we aren't entitled to freedom and being ruled over anyway?

    I do agree that collective power is necessary, but this doesn't contradict my God-given right to freedom.

    Only when enough humans realise that freedom is an inherent RIGHT, given by our creator, and that those freedoms demand protecting, will we free ourselves of tyranny in whatever form.

    The belief in authority is illegitimate. No human or group of humans has a right to rule over any other humans. Their systems of ruling are corrupt, thus they are not legitimate according to natural, universal law.

    When it comes to voting there is no less destructive option since both sides are controlled by the same entity. You really believe those in charge have given sufficient power to either side to cause major or even minor deviations to their plans?

    Since both sides are controlled, politics is corrupt. Voting is thus immoral.
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    Re: Men aren't attracted to Gender-Neutral Women

    Quote Originally Posted by ScrewJita View Post
    Prior to my Redpilling, I got involved somewhat in the local polyamorous scene, thinking that maybe these gender-liberated, body-positive, forward-thinking women would be accepting folks who are cool with autists and those who are a little bit weird. As it turns out, they were the exact opposite of everything that they espouse. It truly is just horrible Millenials openly cucking their husbands and banging Chad. They were all highly educated mega-sluts who who basically wanted to extend the college experience of being surrounded by orbiters (who they clearly disparage) into adult-hood and ever after. And you better bet that only the tallest, most masculine, highest earning guys got all the pussy. The rest were just there to pay the bills.

    Observing these people on social media, I came to learn that they consider their freakish (that's the only word that really applies) appearance as a shit-test. There was one who shaved her head bald, just to see if she could land commitment from a simp while looking like a pin-head from the old carnivals. Check out pictures from the old movie "Freaks." And it worked. She got a guy to marry her. As soon as that happened, a large number of other women in the group shaved their heads as well. Seriously, it turned into an Uncle Fester look-alike contest. That is not hyperbole.

    As far as I can tell, alot of women out there are still suffering from One-itis, in that they think the world owes them a high-value man. They have a ludicrously inflated sense of their own value. And since they are "destined" to have Chad-buxx, they feel that they can get away with literally any excesses of body and behaviour. So they kinda seek to out-do each other in just how hideous they can appear, as a sign of that value. It's dick-waving virtue-signaling on a mass scale.

    Another thing about them. They are all sexual submissives. They enjoy being sexually dominated/degraded by Chad. Maybe that's part of it, appearing as a freak to signal that they'll take it hard. I don't know.
    I hear ya. When I was younger and more curious I spent time on some of those fetish type sites, thinking perhaps as I am a misfit I might find a place, somehow. NOPE! Those people are entrenched in their own doctrines and really no better than anyone in the mainstream world.

    And it still amazes me that those men can make beards look so emasculine! The women want everything their own way which is standard but they are even more aggressive and obnoxious than regular women.

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    Re: Men aren't attracted to Gender-Neutral Women

    Quote Originally Posted by McDudeski McGee View Post
    I hear where you're coming from. I do think we have good solutions available. Ideologies of freedom are the blocker and we still have numbers and potential allies.

    In 2017 a science fiction film named Alien: Covenant was released. The anti-hero, an android the writers named "David," sees himself as distinct from and superior to the humans in his midst. His kind have a much longer lifespan than the humans, who he views as a dying and unworthy species. He exterminates the engineers, the race of white humanoids that created everything, by infiltrating their defenses by using one of their own ships, and then infecting them all with a biological weapon -- the black goo. The symbolism is obvious. Rogue One (2016) is another recent example of this chutzpah behavior -- a white wahmen leading a team of people of color to overthrow the Empire, which is staffed uniformly by British-speaking white men. They're pissing in our faces and laughing at us.

    The solution is to tax, regulate, and protect. Make them pay up, put restrictions on what very wealthy people and businesses can do, and empower workers. Giving international elites even more freedom to have all of the wealth, power, and influence, and then raging at the injustice of it all and pondering exterminationist solutions, is working at cross purposes, especially when many billionaires state they really should be taxed more and shouldn't be allowed to buy politicians. So there is a much easier, lazier, and effective way -- just give up the free market baloney. No one has to get hurt.

    In 1976 Walter Block wrote a libertarian book titled Defending the Undefendable. It is a book about freedom. He defends bribery, price gouging, child labor, blackmail, selling drugs, slum lords, polluters -- it is like the Rules of Acquisition from Star Trek's Ferengi. Unless we want to live in a garbage dump as despised strangers in our own lands, we had better start balancing freedom against community, solidarity, authority, security, and sanctity. Liberals are wrong, rights are not absolute -- they have a conventional existence only.
    Thanks for your reply. I do not believe that the belief in freedom is a problem. For a starters it is not a 'belief', it is an inherent right.

    Whoever says it is not a right is a tyrant. You are telling another sovereign human they are not allowed freedom because you know better. That it doesn't exist as a reality, that it's only a 'belief'.

    No 'solutions' will work until freedom becomes foremost in the average mind. You will always get the same result. All your solutions are working within a faulty, immoral order whereby the average person has no freedom and must be controlled by a superior class. The only solution is to reject that order wholesale. Most people do not want this because they fear such a drastic change.

    People who strongly value freedom cannot be controlled or coerced. Combined with relative death of the ego, there is no fear of death and thus they will die to preserve freedom. Thus, controlling them is impossible.

    What you are probably talking about is people who bleat about freedom but do not really want the responsibility that comes with it (drastic change mentioned above).
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    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    Thanks for your reply. I do not believe that the belief in freedom is a problem. For a starters it is not a 'belief', it is an inherent right.

    Whoever says it is not a right is a tyrant. You are telling another sovereign human they are not allowed freedom because you know better. That it doesn't exist as a reality, that it's only a 'belief'.

    No 'solutions' will work until freedom becomes foremost in the average mind. You will always get the same result. All your solutions are working within a faulty, immoral order whereby the average person has no freedom and must be controlled by a superior class. The only solution is to reject that order wholesale. Most people do not want this because they fear such a drastic change.

    People who strongly value freedom cannot be controlled or coerced. Combined with relative death of the ego, there is no fear of death and thus they will die to preserve freedom. Thus, controlling them is impossible.

    What you are probably talking about is people who bleat about freedom but do not really want the responsibility that comes with it (drastic change mentioned above).
    Thanks for the complement! I see we're on the same page!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kryptic View Post

    I find people to be draining as well and in regards to dates, I would notice that women would just sit back judging me, in most cases they probably already made up their mind the second they saw me approaching them. It didn't matter if it was a meet after chatting online either, it didn't matter if there seemed to be some rapport online, common interests etc.

    Relationships just seemed transnational to me.
    It appears to me you are seeing right into the reality of the situation. In blue pill society, most relationships are fraudulent, based on mutually accepted draining of the other. It's more obvious with male/female relationships, where there has to be the state enforced contract to keep the thing together long enough to take care of the offspring. Dating is sizing up the other to see what advantages might be gained. But mutual use is also typical of same gender friendships. It's not a new problem. Even ancient Greek philosophers said true friendship is only possible when the participants don't need to use each other. And such a situation doesn't happen often.

    I managed to partially retire 20 years ago, and only after getting out did I really understand the drain from putting up with all the craziness. The never ending griping, attention seeking, childish behavior, was a constant wear on my energy. 20% of the people in the usual social situation end up doing 80% of the work, and I naturally fell into the 20% every time.

    Now I'm able to manage my interactions with the blue-pillers so as to keep my energy and sanity intact. I can get along with anybody for about 10 minutes, but 99% of the time, 10 minutes is more than enough. I wish them well and walk on..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaw View Post
    This reminds me of a LTR I once had where the girl began to withhold sex because I wouldn't commit to marriage. Even though I was young (24) I knew that even if we got married she would eventually withhold sex again. So except for the kids, mortgage, her family, we both getting older, I was already experiencing the marriage. So I left and experienced that without having it cost me anything financially and emotionally.
    Once you pay the Danegold, you never get rid of the Dane.

    Once you pay the ransom, the kidnapper never leaves.
    An escort is a woman you occasionally financially support only when she has sex with you.

    A date is a woman you occasionally financially support in the hope she will have sex with you.

    A wife is a woman you constantly financially support even when she is not having sex with you.

    An ex-wife is a woman you constantly financially support with alimony so she can have sex......with someone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kryptic View Post
    Relationships just seemed transnational to me.
    I think you mean transactional.

    When women got transactional, I went trans-national. Be a Passport Player.
    Last edited by sam luis obispo; October 27, 2021 at 1:16 PM.
    An escort is a woman you occasionally financially support only when she has sex with you.

    A date is a woman you occasionally financially support in the hope she will have sex with you.

    A wife is a woman you constantly financially support even when she is not having sex with you.

    An ex-wife is a woman you constantly financially support with alimony so she can have sex......with someone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sam luis obispo View Post
    I think you mean transactional.

    When women got transactional, I when trans-national. Be a Passport Player.
    Yeah I think it was autocorrect and I missed it.


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