Thread: Memo to Members: political language

Speaking of politics, two days ago, we had a primary election in Illinois and I worked as a poll worker. I was the guy who scans the bar code which prints the access code to the voting booth and hand it to the voters. It was a VERY long and VERY boring day. I just sat around for 14 straight hours (with a few 15-minute breaks) doing this. I hadn't slept in the prior 2 days, but drinking a lot of caffeine didn't help me stay awake, but a half dozen slices of pizza for lunch did. I got to the polls at 4:30 AM and I didn't get home until about 8:20 PM. I was in a windowless church chapel just scanning bar codes and printing access codes all day. I will tell you something about the voters in my area; I took care of 191 Republicans and 143 Democrats and 95% of those people are VERY post wall people and that wall hit them very hard it was cruelty. Luckily there were no issues, except voters going to the wrong side of the room from where I scanned them in.

I came home and I found out that the guy I wanted to win the Republican primary for Illinois governor, Darren Bailey, had won and won by a landslide. Now we need him to defeat JB Pritzker, the incumbent Democrat governor, who is a major SIMP. I call him a simp, because he cares so much for women's rights to abortion. It seems like JB cares more about women and minorities and taxing us than he does the white man.

The trouble I have with Illinois politics is not just that this state is very blue, but too much influence comes from Cook County Chicago, where half the population is and they vote Democrat. Back in 2010 we had an election for governor and the Republican candidate won all but 4 counties in the state, but if you can take Cook County or just Chicago, you win the race. My mom even said that once you get away from the city of Chicago, you see more Trump supporters, especially in southern Illinois. It's Chicago that pretty much decides everything in this state and that bothers me as a Republican voter from Kane County.

Directly calling another member a libtard is against the rules for the same reason that calling someone a retard is.

The question, however, is tossing up the word in general. I mean, an argument contra "Hey, You used the word libtard! I resent that!" is "Why? Do you consider yourself a libtard?"

Then again, the problem is the implication that every liberal is a 'tard. Some members here are liberals, as americans used the term. And there's a shifting goalpost issue: ultimately, everyone becomes a liberal and therefore a 'tard except the most radically right-wing member.

I'm not a big fan of "cuckservative", either. It's just an insult. Oh, and racist undertones. Although maybe there's a case for it when discussing specific politicians (conservatives that betray the people that voted for them).

I guess the problem from a site quality viewpoint is that these words are just thought-stoppers and they are meant to be, like most one-word insults. Once someone has dropped either, there's really nowhere to go from there. It's like comparing anything or anyone to Hitler.

Originally Posted by Mr Wombat

Directly calling another member a libtard is against the rules for the same reason that calling someone a retard is.

The question, however, is tossing up the word in general. I mean, an argument contra "Hey, You used the word libtard! I resent that!" is "Why? Do you consider yourself a libtard?"

Then again, the problem is the implication that every liberal is a 'tard. Some members here are liberals, as americans used the term. And there's a shifting goalpost issue: ultimately, everyone becomes a liberal and therefore a 'tard except the most radically right-wing member.

I'm not a big fan of "cuckservative", either. It's just an insult. Oh, and racist undertones. Although maybe there's a case for it when discussing specific politicians (conservatives that betray the people that voted for them).

I guess the problem from a site quality viewpoint is that these words are just thought-stoppers and they are meant to be, like most one-word insults. Once someone has dropped either, there's really nowhere to go from there. It's like comparing anything or anyone to Hitler.

My biggest problem with "libtard" is that it's a modification of "retard." I have a cousin who is mentally handicapped, and he's a great guy. He has trouble with social situations, but he's way smart in other ways. He can clobber almost anyone at chess. You can also tell him your full birthdate, and he'll immediately tell you the day of the week you were born on. He's definitely not a stupid person. He's just smart in ways that are different from most people. When I was in school, kids would toss around the word "retard" all the time as a general insult to say someone was stupid. Now we're trying to get away from that, and to value people who are mentally handicapped, and I think that's a good thing.

I also don't think someone being a liberal automatically makes them stupid or a shitty person. I just think the Woke Mind Police has grossly overdone it in ways that are counterproductive. I also think putting "liberal" and "retard" together isn't really all that creative. It's been used to death. If someone has some liberal policy they want to object to, I wish they could find more creative language than that. People saying that sound like parrots.

It's interesting many of us started from different ends of the political spectrum but we ended up at the same place. Both sides suck. I now view it as a kind of brainwashed naivete to believe in any political party. I used to feel insulted when someone was part of "the other" party. Now I just look at anyone spouting left or right wing talking points as a schmuck. I hope "schmuck" isn't off limits 😜

Originally Posted by TigPlaze

When I was in school, kids would toss around the word "retard" all the time as a general insult to say someone was stupid. Now we're trying to get away from that, and to value people who are mentally handicapped, and I think that's a good thing.

I have read of fathers of special needs children state they really do not like to hear anyone throw around the word retard. I can respect that and I empathize. I didn't mention that in my plea here because I wanted to put it all on myself to appeal to the better angels of our nature, as they say, in terms of improving the site.

Originally Posted by Unboxxed

I have read of fathers of special needs children state they really do not like to hear anyone throw around the word retard. I can respect that and I empathize. I didn't mention that in my plea here because I wanted to put it all on myself to appeal to the better angels of our nature, as they say, in terms of improving the site.

Here's my version of spiffing things up, softening the hard language, friendly things up! I'll need to wash my mouth out with sulfuric acid before anyone notices a difference, even the supreme court ruled that profanity is a constitutionally protected activity and basic human right. Where would be if telling people to fuckoff and die were illegal?

The art of profanity is when and how you use it!

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Hey, Unboxxed!

I support you in this. But a couple things.... This shit about Cucksersative is disgusting. No matter how true it is. Look I always say liberals. If I did say "libtards", please correct me. And I will stop.

But this crap of cuckservative-- has no place in our lives. Look I am conservative. I even support masculinity of men of all races, just not cuckservatives. I know that you didn't mentioned or even talk about it, but I hear it from time to time through others. If someone could give me examples of what cuckservatives did as a conservatives, then I might think guys here are right about that.

Cuckservative?? Fuck that shit. Only once I heard it from the mouth of MILO YIANNOPOULOS, and I hate that word outright.

Originally Posted by UnKnownSurviving

If I did say "libtards", please correct me. And I will stop.

I can read this two different ways.

Not sure if you are saying you will stop or if you are needing me to first tell you to stop.

Either way, yeah, please refrain from these political pejoratives. As Wombat so aptly put, they are thought-stoppers.

But this crap of cuckservative-- has no place in our lives. Look I am conservative. I even support masculinity of men of all races, just not cuckservatives. I know that you didn't mentioned or even talk about it, but I hear it from time to time through others. If someone could give me examples of what cuckservatives did as a conservatives, then I might think guys here are right about that.

Cuckservative?? Fuck that shit. Only once I heard it from the mouth of MILO YIANNOPOULOS, and I hate that word outright.

See Post #19 before reading further.

I'd ask that you not solicit a conversation here to defend pejoratives. That could turn into the very shit-fight I'd like to avoid. Let it go. Don't pick a fight.

Libtard, retard, cuckservative. All are low-class words to use in decent discourse.

This is not a big ask of any member here.

Thank you.

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I'm out. Peace.
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Originally Posted by pool-boy

Now I just look at anyone spouting left or right wing talking points as a schmuck. I hope "schmuck" isn't off limits 

There is no left wing/right wing. There are three political parties in the USA:

• Finance, Insurance, and Real Estate - the FIRE sector. Includes banking and the sock market.
• Mining, oil, big ag, big pharma, big business in general
• The Military-Industrial complex

They exercise their franchise not by voting, but by buying politicians. Voting is so 19th century.

Originally Posted by The Captain

I use the terms "Left" and "Right". I am a Constitutional Conservative. The aforementioned portmanteau never leaves my lips. (I use clear and definitive language).

Thanks.

I think the word we are looking for is "collectivist." There are right wing collectivists and left wing collectivists.

Originally Posted by Mr Wombat

There is no left wing/right wing. There are three political parties in the USA:

• Finance, Insurance, and Real Estate - the FIRE sector. Includes banking and the sock market.
• Mining, oil, big ag, big pharma, big business in general
• The Military-Industrial complex

They exercise their franchise not by voting, but by buying politicians. Voting is so 19th century.

It is properly known as the Military-CONGRESSIONAL-Industrial complex.
The military cannot buy a pair of shoe-laces without a line in the congressionally legislated budget.
Sometimes the military must buy things it does not want, but it is ordered to by congress.

Why do I keep getting logged off? I want to give the benefit of the doubt that it’s a technical issue. But through the years here I have seen so many quality posters with lines through their names I’m starting to think it’s just an overzealous moderator too chicken to actually drop the ban hammer, so they hope I will take a hint. The type of guys that come are would seem the most free-speech-minded but the tightfisted moderation here makes it one of the most censorious forums I’ve ever seen. Ironic and sad. Why don’t you just ban me if you don’t want red-pilled gay MGTOW here you coward, whoever you are? Unboxxed, is it you? Loosen your grip, boo!

Originally Posted by OwenWentFullMGTOW

I can excuse America's lack of universal healthcare. For better or for worse, America is world cop. We can't afford the massive military we've got AND universal healthcare.

As a corollary, the European socialists* wouldn't be able to afford their massive healthcare systems if they didn't rest comfortably under the blanket of security America provides by treaty.

Of course the US could afford a healthcare system for their people if they actually would care about them. Of course European countries are perfectly capable of financing their healthcare systems without the generous, almost heavenly "security" of the most arrogant states on earth.

I've heard some days ago the next US base will be built in Poland. Congratulations, that has to be number 351? Hell, where would Europe be without the US, maybe even in good terms with the US and Russia simultaneously?

Originally Posted by laer

Why do I keep getting logged off? I want to give the benefit of the doubt that it’s a technical issue. But through the years here I have seen so many quality posters with lines through their names I’m starting to think it’s just an overzealous moderator too chicken to actually drop the ban hammer, so they hope I will take a hint. The type of guys that come are would seem the most free-speech-minded but the tightfisted moderation here makes it one of the most censorious forums I’ve ever seen. Ironic and sad. Why don’t you just ban me if you don’t want red-pilled gay MGTOW here you coward, whoever you are? Unboxxed, is it you? Loosen your grip, boo!

I wouldn't be so gutless. And if our moderation is censorious enough to be considered tightfisted, wouldn't you think we'd not bother to resort to subterfuge to avoid such reputation we already have in your eyes?

I have no idea why that is happening to you. Our vbulletin software has no provision for dropping connections. Only for preventing connections in the first place, by blocking IP addresses, a manual operation that is reserved for chronic trolls.

I can appreciate you getting annoyed for what is happening to you but no one here is doing it. I do not appreciate your lack of emotional self-control in jumping to conclusions about us to the extent of insulting this website and accusing me of being this coward whom you have fabricated. You misfired big time on that, pal.

You need to think about the effect of your words. And playing the gay card is a cheap shot. I didn't know you were gay and I don't care. I care if members are MGTOW and that they follow the Principles. You have insulted a fellow member, me.

I am a human being, as are you. I think you owe me an apology.

I appreciate your direct response so I will rule out cowardice and for saying that I will apologize, but I assure you the only emotion I’m feeling is mild humor. My take on free speech here still stands.

Originally Posted by laer

I appreciate your direct response so I will rule out cowardice and for saying that I will apologize, but I assure you the only emotion I’m feeling is mild humor. My take on free speech here still stands.

Mild humor, I don't see it. I accept your apology but you are stubborn to keep it clear to me what you really think about this site. More mild humor, I suppose?

Playing the gay card was intentional, not humorous. Apparently you've missed the numerous times that I have defended gay MGTOW on these pages.

In the future, if you have a problem with the site, PM me or a mod. But posting a public rant with your brand of mild humor is not the way to go.

In fact, insulting a fellow member is in violation of Principles and gets one an automatic 7-day temp-ban. I'm not going to do that. I've reduced it to a Warning, however, which has been issued.

If you see a member name with a strike-through and desire to know why, likely we have placed the reason in our sub-forum Banned Members as its own thread, available to members (and lurkers). If the banned member appeared in only one thread and not several, you might expect our reason to be stated in that one thread and therefore not necessarily in the Banned Members sub-forum. Some members self-ban for their own reasons.

Mild humor, I don't see it. I accept your apology but you are stubborn to keep it clear to me what you really think about this site. More mild humor, I suppose?


This seems defensive. That’s an emotional response, humorous to me in this case. Ironic and humorous. I come here to read what other MGTOW - including you - have to say about things that matter to me as a male. Your moderation style gets in the way sometimes. Honest feedback here, not being funny.


Playing the gay card was intentional, not humorous. Apparently you've missed the numerous times that I have defended gay MGTOW on these pages.


Thank you for that, it doesn’t go unnoticed. However I do cringe sometimes when I read strongly-worded things about gays but I do not complain to you about it. I move on. Sometimes harsh words go along with free speech.


In the future, if you have a problem with the site, PM me or a mod. But posting a public rant with your brand of mild humor is not the way to go.


My emotions are humor but my words here are a call-out. You started this thread. Now you have my user feedback. I’m not impressed with how you’re handling it, but nor am I surprised.


In fact, insulting a fellow member is in violation of Principles and gets one an automatic 7-day temp-ban. I'm not going to do that. I've reduced it to a Warning, however, which has been issued.
If you see a member name with a strike-through and desire to know why, likely we have placed the reason in our sub-forum Banned Members as its own thread, available to members (and lurkers). If the banned member appeared in only one thread and not several, you might expect our reason to be stated in that one thread and therefore not necessarily in the Banned Members sub-forum. Some members self-ban for their own reasons.


You haven’t changed my mind. My opinion is more solid than before in fact. You need to lighten up. If you’re insulted by my feedback, that’s your personal emotion. I apologized to you but your “warning” means nothing to me if you can’t accept feedback about your moderation style. Your censorship is no more righteous than that of the woke. Go ahead and ban me now. Prove me right. I wouldn’t have spoken up if I weren’t ready to get banned, or leave of my own accord.

Originally Posted by laer

Why do I keep getting logged off? I want to give the benefit of the doubt that it’s a technical issue. But through the years here I have seen so many quality posters with lines through their names I’m starting to think it’s just an overzealous moderator too chicken to actually drop the ban hammer, so they hope I will take a hint. The type of guys that come are would seem the most free-speech-minded but the tightfisted moderation here makes it one of the most censorious forums I’ve ever seen. Ironic and sad. Why don’t you just ban me if you don’t want red-pilled gay MGTOW here you coward, whoever you are? Unboxxed, is it you? Loosen your grip, boo!

I got everything I deserved according to "principles" (rules) at the top of the page, at first it felt like censorship until I read the rules, and even then, occasionally, I wander outside the guidelines, pull myself back, and not hear from any mods.

The most censored site? Really? I don't think so, we go deep into each other's naturally opposing personal philosophies and the exchange of ideas are unlimited and broad without the band standing and attention grabbing tactics I see just about everywhere else but this site.