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    Mel Magazine article on MGTOW

    It is about four years old, but I found it amusing to say the least.

    MGTOW are unapologetically selfish and, unlike men’s rights activists, aren’t looking to change the status quo, but instead trying to opt out of marriage, fatherhood, cohabitation and/or whatever else society expects of them — like a flock of indifferent ostriches.
    You guys are a bunch of indifferent ostriches! You all are opting out of what society expects of you!!!!

    This isn’t the only way MGTOW are tough to pin down, according to Sarah Diefendorf, a Ph.D. candidate in sociology and instructor at the University of Washington. She believes MGTOW are actually rebelling against two different things: 1) A society they think privileges women morethan men in virtually all institutions; and 2) bad guys like pickup artists and ladies’ men who portray excess, toxic masculinity. “They somewhat brilliantly frame themselves as the overlooked good guys,” she explains.
    It is time for you guys to listen to PHD CANDIDATE IN SOCIOLOGY.

    “Women, feminism and pickup artists are all the problems.” This way, Diefendorf says, they’re able to punt on having to unpack the many privileges that come with being a man in the U.S. today. Instead, they can say, “This isn’t me. I’m bowing out.”
    You hear that, men? You are all punting on the issue of the many privileges that comes with being a man in the U.S. today. What are these privileges? I would like to know. But we get no answer.

    But perhaps MGTOW is nothing more than 'male flight' from women entering their domain? Oh! Let us listen!

    Lisa Wade, an associate professor of sociology at Occidental College, suggests that this withdrawal can be framed within the context of “male flight” more generally. “When women successfully integrate into a masculine domain, their growing presence makes it unappealing to some men,” she says. “In a way, we can look at relationships as something that women are feeling more and more empowered to shape. MGTOW could be an example of men deciding that this has become too feminized and they’re going to abandon it.”
    So MGTOW is nothing more than 'male flight' due to women entering male domains. We are so fortunate to have PHD Candidates and Associate Professors of Sociology to tell us what MGTOW is instead of MGTOW people themselves.

    Well, I'm convinced. I now realize I am extremely privileged male to be a slave to my job, and I need to go get married immediately to fulfill my societal (another word for woman's) obligations..That's it! MGTOW's over, guys. Let's all get married, and do our part for society! It's not a male plantation, it is a 'male camp'. You even get a Man Cave!
    They intentionally say what we 'ought' to do instead of what we could do. For if the lion discovers his own strength, he will become uncontrollable.

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    Re: Mel Magazine article on MGTOW

    Didn't they hear the wap' wap' wap' of our shovel packing down marriage's grave? Next to societies grave?
    We are lawfully exiled by the alterations and changes made to this social compact called government, its body politic now cancerous and destructive to its own ends.

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    Re: Mel Magazine article on MGTOW

    There is a great way to know who stands to lose from you doing (or not doing) something...

    ... people trying to convince you to do otherwise. Its a signal that you are doing the right thing.

    If they had no skin in the game, they would simply ignore you.

    Thus, let us not look at the words (they are always construed to manipulate anyway), but rather the actions. Nobody wastes time for your sake, only theirs.

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    Re: Mel Magazine article on MGTOW

    If I'm so privileged why would I walk away?

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    Re: Mel Magazine article on MGTOW

    the straight men who want nothing to do with women
    Wrong right from the title, many men including myself have "relationships" with women just not in the traditional sense. No marriage, kids or financial risks such as living together.
    Men are becoming MGTOW by the millions, most without ever having heard the term. They are simply doing what all living organisms finding themselves in a toxic environment do. They adapt to it or remove themselves from it. Females are not liking either the adaptations or the removal.

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    Re: Mel Magazine article on MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by stanmsl View Post
    Wrong right from the title, many men including myself have "relationships" with women just not in the traditional sense. No marriage, kids or financial risks such as living together.
    Until one of them comes back on you like a nasty case of acid indigestion gurgled out your nose!
    We are lawfully exiled by the alterations and changes made to this social compact called government, its body politic now cancerous and destructive to its own ends.

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    Re: Mel Magazine article on MGTOW

    "Sarah's present occupation is listed as a Senior Researcher at Alameda Center for Environmental Technologies. : religious views are listed as Christian, ethnicity is Caucasian, and political affiliation is currently a registered Democrat. Sarah is now single."

    ,Who would have guessed? LOL
    now single? I think that translates as divorced. Well she fulfilled her female obligation by divorcegraping a man.

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    Re: Mel Magazine article on MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by FrankS View Post
    "Sarah's present occupation is listed as a Senior Researcher at Alameda Center for Environmental Technologies. : religious views are listed as Christian, ethnicity is Caucasian, and political affiliation is currently a registered Democrat. Sarah is now single."

    ,Who would have guessed? LOL
    now single? I think that translates as divorced. Well she fulfilled her female obligation by divorcegraping a man.
    Im quit surprised about the christian part honestly.

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    Re: Mel Magazine article on MGTOW

    San Francisco area, churches can be so liberal they will ban the Bible

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    Re: Mel Magazine article on MGTOW

    Although this Sarah lady is a typical low life academic, it is easy to assume many things about MGTOW - simply because MGTOW has not yet really been formed or crystallised.

    I consider myself a MGTOW, and I have been contributing to this site for many years, and I do not subscribe to so many things that even some of the fellow members here believe.

    To me, MGTOW is simply asking for fairness and reciprocity. And this is a HUGE ask because there will always be cunts and other loser good for nothings who want to suck your productive capacity from you.

    I have said it before but it bears repeating: any time some bitch or some white knight makes fun of MGTOW they are simply saying "get back to the plantation, I liked it when everything was done for me!".

    Concern trolls are sly like that - which is what this "Sarah" is getting up to.

    Heed the words of Manfred - nobody wastes their time trying to benefit you.
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    Re: Mel Magazine article on MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    MGTOW has not yet really been formed or crystallised.
    Yes and no. MGTOW has been formed, the fact that we are here and on other platforms proves this.

    As for it not being crystallised as you put it I agree. But this is a strength not a weakness. It is difficult to attack that which has no absolute form.

    We are a diverse bunch both in our views and our behaviours, but always with one thought in mind - relationships with women will be your downfall!
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    Re: Mel Magazine article on MGTOW

    Women for decades have said they need men like fish need bicycles. MGTOW are simple the bicycles that realized that they in fact do not need the fish.

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    Re: Mel Magazine article on MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by pbisque View Post
    Women for decades have said they need men like fish need bicycles. MGTOW are simple the bicycles that realized that they in fact do not need the fish.
    Let them have a go at the seat post! That's the only cock they'll be seeing!
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    Re: Mel Magazine article on MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by Macavity View Post
    So MGTOW is nothing more than 'male flight' due to women entering male domains. We are so fortunate to have PHD Candidates and Associate Professors of Sociology to tell us what MGTOW is instead of MGTOW people themselves.
    I am SO TIRED of womensplaining!
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    Re: Mel Magazine article on MGTOW

    Colttaine has just done a new video that goes in this thread

    Men are becoming MGTOW by the millions, most without ever having heard the term. They are simply doing what all living organisms finding themselves in a toxic environment do. They adapt to it or remove themselves from it. Females are not liking either the adaptations or the removal.

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    Re: Mel Magazine article on MGTOW

    There are sure a lot of articles being written about obese basement dwellers that can't get laid.....wonder why they bother.
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    Re: Mel Magazine article on MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    There are sure a lot of articles being written about obese basement dwellers that can't get laid.....wonder why they bother.
    More and more it's women that can't get laid, men are becoming more and more scarce as we live below their radar by ignoring their subtle advances, opting out before the opportunity has a chance to present itself. Life is worthless when you can't live it on your own terms, because terms and conditions are imposed on us that are detrimental.

    Ralph Nader said it perfect, "unsafe at any speed"....
    We are lawfully exiled by the alterations and changes made to this social compact called government, its body politic now cancerous and destructive to its own ends.

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    Re: Mel Magazine article on MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    More and more it's women that can't get laid, men are becoming more and more scarce as we live below their radar by ignoring their subtle advances, opting out before the opportunity has a chance to present itself. Life is worthless when you can't live it on your own terms, because terms and conditions are imposed on us that are detrimental.

    Ralph Nader said it perfect, "unsafe at any speed"....
    Disagree,
    Any woman, no matter how unattractive, can walk into a bar and get laid that same evening.
    It's full time financial providers, without putting out, they can't find.
    And even then, if they were prepared to take any and all comers they could probably find a husband.

    The only thing stopping most women getting a husband is their unrealistic expectations.

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    Re: Mel Magazine article on MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWalton View Post
    Disagree,
    Any woman, no matter how unattractive, can walk into a bar and get laid that same evening.
    It's full time financial providers, without putting out, they can't find.
    And even then, if they were prepared to take any and all comers they could probably find a husband.

    The only thing stopping most women getting a husband is their unrealistic expectations.
    What bars? And for every man opting out (millions upon millions) there's a woman that can't find a socket to plug into. Sure they'll have to "share" the available men, and that speeds up the cock carousel, leading to even more men opting out, not to mention the real dangers of rotating harem stocks among them.

    I think it's parched white bone pickings for them no matter how you crush it.
    We are lawfully exiled by the alterations and changes made to this social compact called government, its body politic now cancerous and destructive to its own ends.

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    Re: Mel Magazine article on MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWalton View Post
    Disagree,
    Any woman, no matter how unattractive, can walk into a bar and get laid that same evening.
    It's full time financial providers, without putting out, they can't find.
    And even then, if they were prepared to take any and all comers they could probably find a husband.

    The only thing stopping most women getting a husband is their unrealistic expectations.
    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    What bars? And for every man opting out (millions upon millions) there's a woman that can't find a socket to plug into. Sure they'll have to "share" the available men, and that speeds up the cock carousel, leading to even more men opting out, not to mention the real dangers of rotating harem stocks among them.

    I think it's parched white bone pickings for them no matter how you crush it.
    You are both right but in a different time span.

    Age 20 they can get sex and commitment from many dozens of decent guys, aged 40 they can get sex from below average men and commitment from low hierarchy men if any at all.


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