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    Masculinity... What is it???

    What does it mean to be a man? What defines masculinity?

    Well I could argue that the one thing that defines masculinity is this wonderful hormone that our bodies produce. Testoserone.

    But over the past decades the levels of testosterone in men have declined.
    We also see a decline in fertility rate in men. Sperm levels are dropping.
    I can't shake the feeling of embarrassment. I know it's not my faulty but I feel ashamed


    Have a look at the likely causes postulated in these two papers.

    https://www.artofmanliness.com/artic...ne-week-intro/
    https://bigthink.com/sex-relationships/men-have-less-testosterone-today

    They make me sick. They list tobacco smoking is the number one cause.
    Stupid idiots.


    Now take a look at the situation through the red pill lens

    https://www.rooshv.com/the-decline-in-testosterone-is-destroying-the-basis-of-masculinity

    My frustration turns to sadness when my suspicions are confirmed like this

    "We can take over all major institutions today, and shower men with the truth, but their biology simply won’t be able to accept it because they have become more like women: cooperative, egalitarian, emotional, and socialist."


    This is why I fear for the future of man after we're gone. There will be no bursting of this feminist bubble.
    One of my first posts here was about a social plan devised by a feminist, some of u may remember.
    To reduce the male population to 10% and keep men in pens as sperm machines.

    It is very well possible. In fact I think it would be likely if they tried to do it.
    Though ud still need at least 25% men working I think. And it would become a harem society. Polygamy.

    But generations of brainwashing, altering food and using drugs like ridlin. Rewriting history.
    These men after us won't know any better. They will be so indoctrinated that not even red pills will work.
    Their biologies will reject the red pill. They will be hardwired to be a plow horse from day one.
    We already see this in the newest generation. Manginas

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    Re: Masculinity... What is it???

    Birth control pills has altered the human timeline trajectory. Not only changed female behavior as outlined by many, many mgtows but also has great downsides when the birth control hormones enters the recycled water supply and men are in contact with it.

    It is basically a slow moving genocide of XY.

    Best you can do is to drink cleanest water you can find, lots of sleep, vitamins, heavy on veggies/meats with good protein, and a decent excercise regiment.

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    Re: Masculinity... What is it???

    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Nomad View Post
    Birth control pills has altered the human timeline trajectory. Not only changed female behavior as outlined by many, many mgtows but also has great downsides when the birth control hormones enters the recycled water supply and men are in contact with it.

    It is basically a slow moving genocide of XY.

    Best you can do is to drink cleanest water you can find, lots of sleep, vitamins, heavy on veggies/meats with good protein, and a decent excercise regiment.
    I didn't know that. What do u mean by recycled water supply? I don't think we have that here. We have a sewer pipeline, storm water pipeline, and our supply pipeline from the dams. There a sewer treatment plant but that's not recycled is it? Not for drinking water?

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    Re: Masculinity... What is it???

    Quote Originally Posted by Porkncheese View Post
    I didn't know that. What do u mean by recycled water supply? I don't think we have that here. We have a sewer pipeline, storm water pipeline, and our supply pipeline from the dams. There a sewer treatment plant but that's not recycled is it? Not for drinking water?
    He means the water recycled from the toilet.

    Not only changed female behavior as outlined by many, many mgtows but also has great downsides when the birth control hormones enters the recycled water supply and men are in contact with it.
    It is far worse than just "the pill" in the water supply. See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenoes...ntal_estrogens

    But it's not as hopeless as it might seem. There are natural supplements that can help you a great deal with your hormonal balance, see e.g. here:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3074486/
    Chrysin, 7-Hydroxyflavone, DIM (Diindolylmethane), indole-3-carbinol and Resveratrol all show good promise as functioning hormonal optimizers and anti-aromatase compounds (aromatase = enzyme for degradation of testosterone into estrogen)

    A very cheap but effective hormone optimizer would be ZMA (Zinc, Magnesium and Vitamin B6). It can also slightly improve sleep quality.

    And of course there are dozens of synthetic compounds as well that can positively shift your balance towards a more testosterone friendly environment, such as 6-Bromo, ATD, Anastrozole, Aromasin etc.

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    Re: Masculinity... What is it???

    Only one town on a river starts with pure water, everybody downstream gets their leftovers. So just about everyone has recycled water. Maybe the sewage has been taken care of, but the rest of the stuff, including the birth control hormones, and Christ knows what else just floats on down to the next town. Or I assume it does, since I'm not a scientist. But I don't see how the treatment plants can take care of everything.
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    Re: Masculinity... What is it???

    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    Only one town on a river starts with pure water, everybody downstream gets their leftovers. So just about everyone has recycled water. Maybe the sewage has been taken care of, but the rest of the stuff, including the birth control hormones, and Christ knows what else just floats on down to the next town. Or I assume it does, since I'm not a scientist. But I don't see how the treatment plants can take care of everything.
    They can't. That's why for pretty much any potentially harmful substance, there are "acceptable levels".

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    Re: Masculinity... What is it???

    Now I want to get my testosterone and sperms levels checked. I think I once heard that sharks have the highest amount of testosterone

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    Re: Masculinity... What is it???

    Quote Originally Posted by Porkncheese View Post
    What does it mean to be a man? What defines masculinity?

    Well I could argue that the one thing that defines masculinity is this wonderful hormone that our bodies produce. Testoserone.

    But over the past decades the levels of testosterone in men have declined.
    We also see a decline in fertility rate in men. Sperm levels are dropping.
    I can't shake the feeling of embarrassment. I know it's not my faulty but I feel ashamed
    Don't be. That feeling is one of the problems. Be proud at NOT being part of the effeminated masses.

    Have a look at the likely causes postulated in these two papers.

    https://www.artofmanliness.com/artic...ne-week-intro/
    https://bigthink.com/sex-relationships/men-have-less-testosterone-today

    They make me sick. They list tobacco smoking is the number one cause. Stupid idiots.
    (It's a social study done by Harvard. Abandon all hope, ye who seek truth here) - Scratch that, got confused with another study. PS, no strikethrough on this forum? :/
    All joking aside, lower testosterone is a biological effect. Find the causes thus in biology. Since it's happening FAR too quickly to be an evolutionary result, and since behavioral dynamics do not influence hormonal production in this degree, the result is likely external. My guess would be stress - as multiple studies indicate that the stress hormone is a blocker for testosterone, in both men and women. Makes sense. The 24/7 economy, the constant barrage of feedback from an always-online-society, these are all relatively new things, less then two decades old.
    Heh. Funny if you think of it that way - might be us MGTOW who've decided to bail on the ratrace may be the most fertile of them all before soon...

    And I'm not discounting soy as a potential source, but... without some deeper insights on that, I'm not going to point to it either.

    Now take a look at the situation through the red pill lens
    https://www.rooshv.com/the-decline-in-testosterone-is-destroying-the-basis-of-masculinity
    My frustration turns to sadness when my suspicions are confirmed like this
    "We can take over all major institutions today, and shower men with the truth, but their biology simply won’t be able to accept it because they have become more like women: cooperative, egalitarian, emotional, and socialist."
    Nah. We just need to set time aside for ourselves. A healthy amount of "Fuck the world, this is my private time" should sort this right out. Our genetics have not changed, not sufficiently to explain this sudden hormonal shift. The factors are EXTERNAL, not INTERNAL. Thus they can be reverted.

    This is why I fear for the future of man after we're gone. There will be no bursting of this feminist bubble.
    One of my first posts here was about a social plan devised by a feminist, some of u may remember.
    To reduce the male population to 10% and keep men in pens as sperm machines.

    It is very well possible. In fact I think it would be likely if they tried to do it.
    Though ud still need at least 25% men working I think. And it would become a harem society. Polygamy.
    Heh. I am reminded of a quote... something about liberty or death? Aside from that, I really do not see women dominating men by force. Aggression and vicious brutality are male traits. 's why men have historically always been the warriors - with a few exceptions. A society like that would also not function well due to the lack of raw muscle and on the mental/sciency side the male stronger affinity towards disciplines of pure logic (math, chemistry, physics and computer sciences). In the digital age, these are important disciplines.

    But generations of brainwashing, altering food and using drugs like ridlin. Rewriting history.
    These men after us won't know any better. They will be so indoctrinated that not even red pills will work.
    Their biologies will reject the red pill. They will be hardwired to be a plow horse from day one.
    We already see this in the newest generation. Manginas
    To suppress biology, constant medication is necessary. See the female birth control pill for an example. The moment that medication stops, nature reasserts itself, with a vengeance. Such a chemically maintained society can exist, but it can never, not even once, have an interrupt in its flow. It's essentially the "Brave New World" soma scenario, or the "Equilibrium" movie's emotion surpressing drug. The moment the supply fails, is the moment that society crumbles like a house of cards.

    This is why I'm not overly worried. And echo what many have said before me: Feminism is a selfcorrecting problem. It will be corrected once women start to pay the price for their own foolishness, and the next generation sees the unhappiness of the current. Us men can opt to skip a generation - our fertility is not impaired. Work on self, enjoy the decline, laughing all the way with our masculinity intact, while future cat ladies practise their meowing on us.
    And if someone does try to pull something by force?
    Well. Then they're gonna learn that while hell may have no fury like a woman scorned, the fury of chained men is that of heaven and hell combined, and will burn both to the ground. Probably with nuclear fire, if we're really going to do thorough scorched earth...
    Shame is a womans primary weapon. Watch for it, and call it out wherever you see it. Few women know how to handle a man immune to shame.

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    Re: Masculinity... What is it???

    I'm on a private well, so I'm pretty sure I'm not getting any hormone run-off. However, the water does taste sort of... I don't know... "funny." But I'm funny-lookin', so no big deal.

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    Re: Masculinity... What is it???

    Quote Originally Posted by Porkncheese View Post
    I didn't know that. What do u mean by recycled water supply? I don't think we have that here. We have a sewer pipeline, storm water pipeline, and our supply pipeline from the dams. There a sewer treatment plant but that's not recycled is it? Not for drinking water?
    Water from sewer treatments goes precisely for drinking !

    The cleaner water from a dam goes for crops and bovine cattle
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    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    I'm on a private well, so I'm pretty sure I'm not getting any hormone run-off. However, the water does taste sort of... I don't know... "funny." But I'm funny-lookin', so no big deal.
    Probably sulphur is the reason why it tastes funny. Only things you have to worry about with well water is hexavalent chromium and arsenic but if it is a shallow well then you will be fine.

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    Stay away from SOY,try to eat healthy, lift weights, or get into a training regime,get enough sleep,dont interact with manginas,cucks,feminsists,soyboys etc,dont drink to much alkohol and don't do drugs of any sort.Drink a lot of clean water.Try to stay away from pills, if you are not on heavy medication.The pharma-industry,are not to be trusted!

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    dont interact with manginas,cucks,feminsists,soyboys
    This is probably the most vital.

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    If you guys are that worried about drinking water, here's a thought: Distill it. Boiling water will eliminate most complex chemicals, and will evaporate any solvants with a lower boiling point then water. And if you're REALLY worried, catch the steam in a small condensor and just drink the condensate. It'll be nearly 100% pure water. If you're not used to it, expect it to taste funny. Trace minerals (usually calcium-ish) is what gives fresh water flavor, and you'll be used to it by now. Even private wells have that.
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    Re: Masculinity... What is it???

    Quote Originally Posted by Alik Sakharov View Post
    Water from sewer treatments goes precisely for drinking !

    The cleaner water from a dam goes for crops and bovine cattle

    Al i can't tell if ur joking or not sometimes... Ur joking

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    Re: Masculinity... What is it???

    Masculinity?

    Why do we define it as the ability to make children? What kind of ability is that? Insert the tube in the hole, inject sperm => you are a man.

    Refuse to chase holes to insert tube, and you are... what?
    Or your sperm doesn't work, thus you are not... what?

    And what about testosterone? Does behaviour regulate the hormone or hormone regulate behaviour?

    How can you act LIKE A MAN, these days?
    You are insulted and you cannot initiate a physical confrontation, its illegal.
    You are robbed, and you cannot kill the robber, its illegal.
    You are threatened, and if you do not act proportionally (according to the subjective laws) you are a criminal.

    A "good man", in our days is made a simp by society. Where does the testosterone comes in use?

    Violent criminals do not care for any of these laws or civilised behaviour. These men should have high testosterone levels...

    But is THAT what defines a man? Violence, cruelty, greed?

    Nature has given us many tools: sex, greed, violence, willpower, ingenuity, curiosity, reason, etc.

    Why do we reduce ourselves to THE THINGS THAT WOMEN CARE?

    No women got infatuated with a man due to his reasonning, curiosity, or ingenuity.

    Women are primeval in their attraction: sex, violence and greed.

    I am no longer defined by whatever definition others have for a what is a man. I am defined by myself, for what I want.

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    Re: Masculinity... What is it???

    Quote Originally Posted by Porkncheese View Post
    I didn't know that. What do u mean by recycled water supply? I don't think we have that here. We have a sewer pipeline, storm water pipeline, and our supply pipeline from the dams. There a sewer treatment plant but that's not recycled is it? Not for drinking water?
    Is there any development UPSTREAM from the dams ... INCLUDING livestock or agricultural operations of any sort? Remember, in this day and age livestock, including chickens, are given OODLES of chemicals including LOTS of estrogen based growth enhancers - which they then expel and which then gets into the ground water run off that fills the dams with waters. Agricultural areas now utilize HEAVY applications of chemicals to fields and these get into the rain runoff also.

    Towns and Cities upstream from the dams add even MORE types of pollutants to the run off that fills dams since you then also end up with all sorts of chemical and plastic waste into the water (including micro-plastics which cosmetics are filled with anymore) that is filling the lake behind the dam.


    In the US ANY city that get's it's water from ANY of the rivers of the entire Mississippi basin is getting LOTS of chemicals in it's water. The upper Great Lakes are better wrt contamination, but the lower Great Lakes have serious issues also. The Columbia River in Washington State has most of the same issues as the Mississippi Basin river water, and any water coming down through the Sacramento Delta (ie goodly chunks of the water shipped to Southern California) is also picking up LOTS of contaminants as is the Colorado river.

    Not sure about Europe, but here in the US most large cities have drinking water supplies that are badly compromised. Only NYC and parts of California - basically in parts of the San Francisco area - have "pure" water for all intents and purposes ... both of those places have one thing in common, their water comes from direct rainfall into NON-developed areas, including NO agriculture (ie: rainfall falls in pristine woodlands areas only)

    "GOOD" water is a rarity in the United States anymore.


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    Why do we reduce ourselves to THE THINGS THAT WOMEN CARE?
    I always get curios when people ask 'what is masculinity?' because they usually are trying to answer it from a FEMALE PERSPECTIVE.

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    Masculinity is some thing for women to bitch about.
    As soon as she says "I do", she don't
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