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    Marrying the Alpha Male

    What chance do you think a woman has of marrying the Alpha Male and him remaining Alpha?

    A man who is handsome, muscular, tatted, earns great money, indifferent, charismatic and a great lover. What are the chances of a woman finding and landing this man into marriage?

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    The issue is in your first sentence and not in your last. Many women do manage to land an alpha; alphas are just as likely to want a family as the beta (ok maybe less likely). The problem comes with him staying an alpha. Marriage is a beta making machine. I know, I have been married 4 times, and am married now. Of course I have always been a beta; so little to lose there. But I have seen alpha men get married and totally lose their mojo. It is inherent in the present structure of no fault divorce, VAWA, and CS threat point marriage.

    There is another problem. Alphas that stay alphas after marriage make shitty husbands. They cheat on their wives constantly (that is what makes an alpha an alpha after all; being able to screw lots of women.) Back in the long ago many women put up with this as the price they paid to have an alpha in their bed (at least occasionally.) Aaron Burr was an alpha. He was our third vice president, and actually got just as many votes as Jefferson did back when the vice president was the guy that came in second. He also shot and killed Alexander Hamilton in a duel, and had a warrent for his arrest on murder charges in New Jersey, while in office. He also got municiple backing for utility bonds to install sewers in NYC and then instead created Citi bank with the proceeds. That gentlemen is what having balls looks like. His late in life wife was noted to have answered several bitches that were telling her that her husband was cheating on her with, “You just wish your husbands still had the juice to do the same.” She was well ahead of her time.

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    Pretty slim odds, really. The alphas I know who got married generally had the life sucked out of them and became domesticated. Five to seven years of this is about all cupcake can handle before she starts looking to cheat.

    The ones who don't become domesticated and continue to do what they want (drink, gamble, cheat, etc) seem to have longer marriages. I'm not sure if it's the drama or what, but it definitely keeps the twats around.

    In AA and other recovery programs, it's a known fact that when a husband gets sober, the divorce rate goes through the roof. The unpredictability goes away, cupcake's vag dries up like the sahara, and that's that. (I'm not saying that alcoholics are necessarily alpha, but some of the same principles apply, I think.)

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    Re: Marrying the Alpha Male

    When an alpha marries someone he is no longer an alpha but somebody's bitch.
    Marrying a woman is like taking a shit upside down every day for the rest of your life. Don't do it!

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    Re: Marrying the Alpha Male

    There is a notion of "relationship game" where you constantly game your female to keep her interested. You can google it, I'm not expert enough to point to the right links. I've read up on it, but dismissed it as not being an option, because to me, that sounds like non-stop fatiguing work. You never get the love you seek, it's always conditional on you "gaming" her.

    Agreed with the others, Alphas who marry rarely stay Alpha. The female will begin to see him as a utility, and will have her ego inflated by having such a catch. Her girlfriends will try to convince her she can do better, or that he's not so good - conniving and manipulating her so that she'll leave him... because women can't stand seeing one of their counterparts with any measure of success greater than their own. And the wife of an alpha will likely succumb to this pressure eventually.

    With her inflated ego, she'll start seeing the other types of alpha she wants. Perhaps you're muscular, smart, rich, and hard-working. Well, she'll take that for granted, and then start seeking out a musician and free spirit - a man who put more effort into social and artisitc skills and behaves more spontaneous, compared to a disciplined man with athletic and intellectual skills.

    You see Dan, you can't be awesome at everything. And one day, wifey will see the things you're not awesome at, and eventually decide she can get those too if she gets another dude for that purpose.

    And lastly, I'll reiterate my point; this is all conditional affection. Let's say you're an Alpha; you're muscular, athletic, smart and popular - and one day you injure your back lifting. You're still smart and charismatic, but your back is fucked and you can't lift anymore. You get skinnier (or fatter). Even just as smart or clever as you were before, she doesn't love you as a person, she loves the idea of a buff guy. Or another example; you're still fit, but a close relative gets really sick. You now have to take care of your parents or something... I remember in your intro you mentioned your father is older. Well, guess what - when that time comes, and you're devoting more time and money to caring for your aprents, she'll get itchy to upgrade you since you're such a downer lately.

    So never expect loyalty. It's all conditional. I mention two scenarios, but my point is universal - her love is conditional. God forbid you're disabled... Or disfigured. Or laid off work. She didn't sign up for that you see.

    A man isn't Alpha or beta on his own - he is only alpha in the eyes of a woman. For me, I'm alpha with some women, beta (or omega) with others. So maintaining yourself as an Alpha is dependent on factors outside your control - the fickle capriciousness of an irrational, hormone-soaked brain.

    I would advise against cohabitating, marrying, or procreating. Enjoy these women, but never get attached to them because most will unattach themselves from you eventually.
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    Re: Marrying the Alpha Male

    Quote Originally Posted by Chairborne View Post
    There is a notion of "relationship game" where you constantly game your female to keep her interested. You can google it, I'm not expert enough to point to the right links. I've read up on it, but dismissed it as not being an option, because to me, that sounds like non-stop fatiguing work. You never get the love you seek, it's always conditional on you "gaming" her.
    Your assessment is, in my experience and opinion, correct. This is better than being in a relationship and not doing so, but it is still more effort than it is worth, and in my opinion just as much of a failure to be true to yourself as PUA games.
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    Your assessment is, in my experience and opinion, correct. This is better than being in a relationship and not doing so, but it is still more effort than it is worth, and in my opinion just as much of a failure to be true to yourself as PUA games.
    Yes I agree that marriage, cohabitation, and children are not good for most men. I never recommend them to any man. I have tried to actively steer my sons away from this whole disaster.

    However, I am in a long term marriage and the reasons are my own, but I will share them with all of you. I have been shorn by the divorce and CS system as much as I can be. I have very little left to take. I am old so I have already accumulated my retirement funds and no new woman can touch those old investments. I will not be having any more children, as I have had the snip. So, I am done with CS and will never deal with it again.

    After all the bull feces I have been put through by women I can be an asshole with absolutely no effort. I am ready to leave at any time, and have not invested 100% in any relationship with a woman for a long time; it just isn't possible after being burned so many times. Being aloof and mildly amused by the child/woman comes as naturally to me now as breathing. I don’t have to act like I don’t give a shit, because I just don’t give a shit. This caused my wife to go through a period of adjustment when we were first married where I often showed her to the door, so she would know where it was, and told her anytime and don’t let the door knob hit you on the ass on the way out. Tears, sobbing, violent fits and screaming all roll off me like water off a duck’s back. I can stare at her with absolute zero chill when she gets out of line. So far, within the context of my prior statements, she provides more good than bad. So far, I will keep her. This is subject to change at any time and I will go on as I have in the past. I have tons of scar tissue to protect me from any loneliness. As I have told her, if she decides to leave me, or cheat on me (same effect), then I will walk away without a single look back and replace her when and if I want to. She tells me that I will never find another one like her. I reply that the next one will be completely different.

    BTW, I am old and fat and bald and my wife is a 31 year old Filipina that weighs 95 pounds, is 5’ tall, has waist length black hair, and believes that wife is a job title not a retirement plan.

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    One other point, I don't count on this relationship lasting forever. Forever is a foolish concept. All relationships with women are temporary. You have to know this down to your bones before you go into this lion’s pit. When it has run its course I will go on. I am really shocked that it has lasted as long as it has (almost 7 years married and two years before that). Having been through the wash rinse repeat cycle several times I am also shocked at the degree of amity that I am experiencing at this point in this marriage. Things seem to be getting better instead of crashing and burning as they have every time before. I know I shouldn't let this get me cocky. Women can and will change on a dime.

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    Re: Marrying the Alpha Male

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    In AA and other recovery programs, it's a known fact that when a husband gets sober, the divorce rate goes through the roof. The unpredictability goes away, cupcake's vag dries up like the sahara, and that's that. (I'm not saying that alcoholics are necessarily alpha, but some of the same principles apply, I think.)
    In connection with this paragraph, I remember reading in one of Osho's books, I guess it was "The mustard seed," the following: if you ask a woman what she would like her man to be - a drunk or a meditator? She would answer: a drunk.
    Because if a man is a meditator, he wouldn't need her, as meditation makes him self-sufficient.

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    Marrying the Alpha serves several purposes.The first is power- landing a player and dragging him to the altar serves as proof shes special among the cunt army.
    She accomplished what every chick in town failed to do. Next we come to the inevitable domestication mentioned above.One crucial difference between the mens men of the past and now is the feminist nature of government today. If a man wants to be married, he must choose between his freedom and his soul. Should a man show a backbone today, he'd better be powerfull enough to ensure nothing his wife does can touch him, or he's going to jail . At which point he must work his ass off to develop the political cover to ensure his spouse doesnt toss a court subpoena on his desk.

    Its a pretty basic dynamic today-either the man funds the girl, carries her throw pillows, and wears pink when she say to-or the Men in Blue will cart him off. Worse, youre only Alpha as long as you can keep her in check. An example comes to mind regarding a cop show documentary- the suspect was a county DA laundering money for drug dealers, thus funding his cupcakes wonderful life.She decided to go "Eat,Pray,Love" and copied his documents discreetly(Note to men- even if your finances are on the level, lock your forms up if youre entertaining female company).She left the copies with a relative upon the condition that if she died or dissapeared, the forms should be turned into police. She showed the forms to the former DA and made it clear she was taking half his net worth AND the kids-100% custody. If he didnt play ball, shed turn him in to the cops for money laundering charges.

    As we are reviewing this on a documentary, we can predict what happened next. Mr DA called a drug dealer friend, who called an associate, who then murdered DA's wife. The Feds unraveled the scheme when the secret copies were turned in.

    Bottom line; Cupcake ,no matter your social standing, will always pull the plug if you stick around long enough.You can be a McDonalds fry cook or a CEO/DA/Criminal kingpin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Octavian View Post
    An example comes to mind regarding a cop show documentary- the suspect was a county DA laundering money for drug dealers, thus funding his cupcakes wonderful life.She decided to go "Eat,Pray,Love" and copied his documents discreetly(Note to men- even if your finances are on the level, lock your forms up if youre entertaining female company).
    A buddy of mine is a securities fraud investigator at one of Canada's provincial Securities Commissions. Essentially, he's a corporate lawyer who works for the Provincial government, but works the investigation part, not the prosecution bit - though he does go to court on occasion to testify.

    He mentioned to me that the overwhelming portion of insider trading goes on with no charges laid because it's never discovered. Of the small portion which is discovered and investigations launched, identifying insider trading by pattern detection or circumstantial evidence is fairly rare, instead usually it's reported by a snitch - about 90% of the time.

    So who are the witnesses in insider trading prosecutions? Well, if it was detected by pattern recognition, circumstantial evidence, or by the accused being a stupid loudmouth (e.g. Martha Stewart), then usually a business partner will take a plea bargain and testify (e.g. what happened to Conrad Black). But most frequently, when a snitch voluntarily comes forward without being compelled (again, 90% of prosecutions are snitches), it's almost always the accused's ex-wife. The business partners only snitch when they get busted too and have to cop a plea, but the ex-wife does it voluntarily. Out of spite.

    Think about that.
    Two points to consider, at least according to my buddy...

    First, most wives of insider traders keep their mouths shut when they know hubby is engaged in financial crime. As long as it benefits them, and hubby is taking the risk, they're fine with illegal activity.

    Second, if it wasn't for ex-wives snitching, 90% of the already-limited number of insider-trading prosecutions wouldn't go forward.
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    Re: Marrying the Alpha Male

    Quote Originally Posted by Chairborne View Post
    There is a notion of "relationship game" where you constantly game your female to keep her interested. You can google it, I'm not expert enough to point to the right links. I've read up on it, but dismissed it as not being an option, because to me, that sounds like non-stop fatiguing work. You never get the love you seek, it's always conditional on you "gaming" her.
    I ran into this "marriage success theory" over at marriedmansexlife.com hosted by Athol Kay. He's got some good points on how women think, but when you read how much time and effort goes into trying to deal with a child's mind (a grown woman's mind) on a continual and ongoing basis, one might just think they are better off not getting into such an arrangement in the first place.

    Basically, I believe that getting into a legal contact as financially damning as a marriage and having it based entirely on a woman's long term haaaaaaapiness is not insane but just completely moronic. Modern women are *never* happy, and their trists, material pursuits and activities they try to fill that unfillable void with do not work. They really are like impetuous children tiring of one toy and crying until they get another... trouble is, this "toy" often comes in the form of an exciting new man...

    Marriage is a fools game. I can't stress enough that young men reconsider this out-dated money trap.
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    [QUOTE= She tells me that I will never find another one like her. I reply that the next one will be completely different. [/QUOTE]

    Loved your entire post Mikediver. When a woman who is being dumped says "You'll never find anyone like me!" the correct answer is "God, I hope you're right!"
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    Re: Marrying the Alpha Male

    I say zero.

    1. Women will continuously search for the perfect combination of 'alpha' attributes far past her expiration date.
    2. 'Alpha', 'Beta', charlie, delta, echo, foxtrot, golf have no meaning as women are constantly changing the meaning. I speak from experience.
    3. Why would a true 'alpha' get married in the first place?

    1 and 2 are of women' s own volition and as usual are their own worst enemy.

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    Re: Marrying the Alpha Male

    Is being alpha primarily a sexual trait such that marriage always reduces it? Is being alpha simply a lack of allegiance, sexually? Is that all it is?
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    Re: Marrying the Alpha Male

    This one thread is enough for a psychology doctorate .

    And im not kidding , this forum should have its own diplomas for some members to print out and frame .

    With all the stamps and signatures perfectly legal
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    Re: Marrying the Alpha Male

    You can marry alpha, but it means you're constantly cheated. My uncle is an alpha male, and probably sterile for that reason, although he claims it was his childhood illness rather that STD. However... despite him being an alpha he has always been with someone in serious relationship, but that has never stopped him from sleeping with all the women. Now he is with a woman 20 years younger than him and married, and I bet that he still sleeps around even though I'm sure not that much anymore because in that age even alpha's libido starts weakening.

    Only men with weak alpha tendencies can be tamed and usually when they hit 25 they become more submissive and seek security from relationship. I don't know if these men should be called alpha minus or beta plus. I have considered PUAs to be beta plus, self learned alphas with pussy begging syndrome, when these guys who fall from being alpha to beta had never problems with women in the begin with. Well maybe I don't have to categorize.

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    Re: Marrying the Alpha Male

    Quote Originally Posted by Cap285 View Post
    I say zero.

    1. Women will continuously search for the perfect combination of 'alpha' attributes far past her expiration date.
    2. 'Alpha', 'Beta', charlie, delta, echo, foxtrot, golf have no meaning as women are constantly changing the meaning. I speak from experience.
    3. Why would a true 'alpha' get married in the first place?

    1 and 2 are of women' s own volition and as usual are their own worst enemy.
    Bingo....

    There are innumerable physical and mental traits along with life experiences which come together to produce the classic "man's man" we associate with being an alpha male.

    Put any group of men together and one of them will gravitate to the pack leader or alpha male, just like with any group of women together one will become the pack leader too. That alone doesn't make them an actual alpha though, they are ONLY the pack leader for that small closed off group once the pecking order is established.

    The true or actual alpha male is the one who can transcend those smaller groups and is continually placed in the leadership or dominant position by any other group he enters even if the new group already has their "pack leader" selected from the established pecking order.

    Bill is the "alpha" of male group 1
    Sally is the "alpha" of female group 1

    Stan is the "alpha" of male group 2

    Well what happens when Stan the man shows up?

    Bill realizes that Stan is MORE of a leader, or dominant, or stronger etc. and defers to Stan as the new defacto pack leader of group 1 whenever Stan is around. Even though Sally as thrilled to be pair bonded to Bill, who is also an "alpha" she will drop him like a hot rock the moment she meets Stan because he is a BETTER deal for her from a mating perspective. Sally already has her alpha but she will still try to compete for what she perceives to be the better man because Bill suddenly "just doesn't get it" anymore and he has become soft by complying with her endless harping. The hamster is spinning and Sally needs to rationalize why Bill was never a real man, wont man up, and just isn't satisfying her anymore etc.

    Bill is now divorced, and relegated to a LJBF status by the other women in group 1 while Sally is trying to catch her new "mans man" with all the special qualities that only a man's man like Stan has to offer.

    Eventually Stan will be found wanting when Sally meet's another male who has even MORE of those mythical alpha traits that Sally has decided she needs, because ... Well... Stan "just doesn't get it" and he needs to man up some more too.

    Once Sally has her brood of kids from chasing Bill, Stan, Dave, or Tom then she is going to be looking around for some nitwitt orbiter who has been fawning over her long before she married Bill.

    Because, ya'know.... there just aren't any good men anymore, right?

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    Re: Marrying the Alpha Male

    chances are higher if
    1) she did not marry up. she knows he brings more to the table in ability, looks, figure, etc than she does.
    2) she nurtures her Alpha. "There's my stud muffin driving up on one of his Harleys. I'm going to go get him a beer. Y'all will have to leave so I can sex up my man" (this will make any Alpha melt. She encourages her Alpha to be an Alpha and feeds his dominance over the 'pack' of friends over at their house)
    3) she's a tradcon
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