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    What makes a blue pilled man?

    We, as MGTOW, don’t really need this background because we already know. So this is more for the lurkers, those that are unsure. Maybe they will recognise something here within themselves to help them understand.

    We talk here often about female traits and blue-pill male traits and what they mean in terms of repercussions and we even talk about the influences that society imposes on men to turn them blue-pill. But what is the point at which a man decides that the blue-pill life is the way to go?

    I think this merits discussion because, from my own experience and what I have witnessed it is a decision.

    Let me explain.

    For a while here I’m going to talk generalities, obviously there are exceptions that many of us here have experienced, but generally speaking:

    We are born. The mother is usually the caregiver and therefore the major influence, so be it.

    But we, as males, go through some distinct phases.

    From birth we are totally dependent on others. This tends to form a bond of trust to the caregiver whoever that may be, usually the mother.

    We then enter a phase known as the “terrible twos” where we go around exploring and causing mayhem.

    This can last for years but eventually we are brought under some kind of control due mostly to our trust in the caregiver. We are then sent to school which inflicts more control, and so it continues.

    But around puberty we begin to rebel. We begin to question everything. We ignore, at least to some extent, our parents and teachers in favour of our own views and those of our friends.

    Herein lies my point. At some stage, as young adults we just simply ignore everything we’ve worked out for ourselves and begin to comply. Kind of.

    We eventually realise that we have to make our own way in life. For most that means getting a job and earning a living. But to get and hold that job you must conform to your employer’s expectations. Fair enough, it’s a means to an end, so we begin to conform - willingly.

    So we start making some money of our own. This allows us to go out in to the world and have a little fun, and this usually entails playing the field as and when we can.

    As we get older, we tire of partying. We’ve been there and done that, and anyway we are getting older and the party goers begin to be much younger than us. It just doesn’t feel the same. Time for a change.

    Then you meet a woman that seems right for you. You date for a while and everything seems fine. Then comes the pressure. Your friends and family start to make comments about settling down, getting married and raising a family of your own; let alone the pressure that may be coming from the woman.

    And so, you begin to think along the lines of:

    I’ve had my fun and it’s not so much fun anymore, time to settle down. Everyone tells me it’s the thing to do. All around me I see couples setting up home and having kids, there must be something to this.

    This is the point young men DECIDE to become blue-pillers. Yes they are coerced and manipulated from all sides but it is a decision none the less.

    It would seem they give up their free-thinking (adolescent rebellion) and DECIDE to conform – this is the way things are so I’ll just give up and comply. They may not want the married life but they’ll just go along and so become one more sheep in the fold.

    And everything after this: the problems, the arguments, the sleepless nights are just absorbed as par for the course if you want a "normal" life.

    But there is nothing “normal” about this life my friends. This is the big con. Everything you do whilst in a relationship is controlled and manipulated – you are not free to be yourself! Try to remember how you thought when you were in your teens. Yes you were young and naïve and you made mistakes.

    But at least you were you!
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    Re: What makes a blue pilled man?

    From what I've seen, blue pill men suffer from arrested development and therefore act on the same needs as women and children. They'll put on a good show but many of them never mentally mature into men.

    - They are terrified of being alone and put a lot of effort into finding anyone to be with. Still stuck in male mother need, something they should have grown out of long ago.
    - They need external validation, fear conflict, and lack morals and principles. Anything goes in order to look normal and successful, even if it means being miserable and broke.
    - They have zero understanding of female psychology and real masculinity. They'll happily take weakness and slavery over strength and freedom if it means they can keep ignoring their shortcomings a little bit longer.

    It's a spectrum though, not all points apply to all BP men. I guess the single defining characteristic is the inability or unwillingness to understand female nature.
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    Re: What makes a blue pilled man?

    What makes a blue pilled man?

    Playing a 21st century game but being given a 1950s rule book.
    Men are becoming MGTOW by the millions, most without ever having heard the term. They are simply doing what all living organisms finding themselves in a toxic environment do. They adapt to it or remove themselves from it. Females are not liking either the adaptations or the removal.

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    Re: What makes a blue pilled man?

    In addition to what others said, I'll add in the modern education system based around coed schooling, grokking the woke propaganda and general conflict avoidance. They never learn the importance of questioning what they are told, or intelligent debating and conversation. Its like, the education system presses the "pause button" on the brain development, so the body grows but the brain stays child like forever.
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    Re: What makes a blue pilled man?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    We, as MGTOW, don’t really need this background because we already know. So this is more for the lurkers, those that are unsure. Maybe they will recognise something here within themselves to help them understand.

    We talk here often about female traits and blue-pill male traits and what they mean in terms of repercussions and we even talk about the influences that society imposes on men to turn them blue-pill. But what is the point at which a man decides that the blue-pill life is the way to go?

    I think this merits discussion because, from my own experience and what I have witnessed it is a decision.

    Let me explain.

    For a while here I’m going to talk generalities, obviously there are exceptions that many of us here have experienced, but generally speaking:

    We are born. The mother is usually the caregiver and therefore the major influence, so be it.

    But we, as males, go through some distinct phases.

    From birth we are totally dependent on others. This tends to form a bond of trust to the caregiver whoever that may be, usually the mother.

    We then enter a phase known as the “terrible twos” where we go around exploring and causing mayhem.

    This can last for years but eventually we are brought under some kind of control due mostly to our trust in the caregiver. We are then sent to school which inflicts more control, and so it continues.

    But around puberty we begin to rebel. We begin to question everything. We ignore, at least to some extent, our parents and teachers in favour of our own views and those of our friends.

    Herein lies my point. At some stage, as young adults we just simply ignore everything we’ve worked out for ourselves and begin to comply. Kind of.

    We eventually realise that we have to make our own way in life. For most that means getting a job and earning a living. But to get and hold that job you must conform to your employer’s expectations. Fair enough, it’s a means to an end, so we begin to conform - willingly.

    So we start making some money of our own. This allows us to go out in to the world and have a little fun, and this usually entails playing the field as and when we can.

    As we get older, we tire of partying. We’ve been there and done that, and anyway we are getting older and the party goers begin to be much younger than us. It just doesn’t feel the same. Time for a change.

    Then you meet a woman that seems right for you. You date for a while and everything seems fine. Then comes the pressure. Your friends and family start to make comments about settling down, getting married and raising a family of your own; let alone the pressure that may be coming from the woman.

    And so, you begin to think along the lines of:

    I’ve had my fun and it’s not so much fun anymore, time to settle down. Everyone tells me it’s the thing to do. All around me I see couples setting up home and having kids, there must be something to this.

    This is the point young men DECIDE to become blue-pillers. Yes they are coerced and manipulated from all sides but it is a decision none the less.

    It would seem they give up their free-thinking (adolescent rebellion) and DECIDE to conform – this is the way things are so I’ll just give up and comply. They may not want the married life but they’ll just go along and so become one more sheep in the fold.

    And everything after this: the problems, the arguments, the sleepless nights are just absorbed as par for the course if you want a "normal" life.

    But there is nothing “normal” about this life my friends. This is the big con. Everything you do whilst in a relationship is controlled and manipulated – you are not free to be yourself! Try to remember how you thought when you were in your teens. Yes you were young and naïve and you made mistakes.

    But at least you were you!
    You make a very good points, just to add my opinion, the other aspect of the blue pill narrative is the notion that a man has to become something, to be worthy of love, the narrative is so ubiquitous, it's neigh impossible to comprehend the toxicity of such a perspective . I don't even think that's the issue but rather the inherent dehumanization that goes with viewing a man as simply a means to an end . Men don't vew eachother like that, hence why female friendships are toxic and males have the most robust and fulfilling interactions. I think a study was done on intimate partner violence and it was found that same sex male couples had the lowest incidents of violence while lesbian couples had the highest; there seems to be a common thread here ?!

    I think it's akin to turning a man to merely another cog in the machine, hence why feminists proclaim the worthlessness of men because they have a view of men as no more than a means to an end, in other words that whole notion of provider/protector is in a sense merely window dressing .

    The thing is, most men go into relationships with the false belief that by attaining some goal they have become loveable to women but the truth they don't want to see, is that they have merely become useful and if a woman can derive some benefit from interacting even with a minotaur, then she will .


    The blue pill man thinks that somehow the notions of monogamy, reciprocity and all other virtues are suddenly became appealing to the same women who not long ago didn't want to have anything to do with him . It's human to fall prey to cognitive dissonance when reality gives us some semblance of what we think will result in happiness, but just as you pointed out, the man begins to make compromises which ideally should not be required for someone who claims to love him.

    All the trappings of an ideal blue pill relationship inherently favour the woman if one stops to think of it for a bit . Having a single partner seems fair until one realises that if the man is worth a damn then a woman having full access to his resources without the interference of another interloper by virtue of societal complicity, is more to her benefit than playing the field, especially considering that women mostly only bring sex as their medium of exchange. Meanwhile she is getting provisioning, security and a host of other intangible benefits.

    In essence the man is the one really making a sacrifice here, if a woman wants to cheat she can easily find a willing partner so long as she isn't atrocious to look at but a man must provide something beyond that.



    It's sad that the male ego makes a lot of men blind to this reality. So she suddenly started to find your jokes funny when you had six figures behind you? And you think you were not funny before or you suddenly became funnier ? Or you became buff and now she's willing to be seen in public with you, her very own muscle...
    Men romanticise these absurdities; even some of the so called red pilled guys. The thing is either a man starts to take pride in his role as some sort of tool (provider or call it whatever you prefer ), becomes jaded with intense feelings of contempt for himself for accepting such a mess of pottage or he becomes cynical forgoing all notions of having a pleasant, gratifying relationship with a woman hence the so called women's claim of the "male ego " .

    The other route is a man who loves himself enough to not demean himself into a position of supplicating for "love", because if you want to know how strong a woman's love is, watch what happens when she has an opportunity to upgrade or when she finds the man no longer serves her interests; only exception being when there was social stigma attached and even then the notion of loyalty was seen as a mere suggestion .


    To claim to have stopped loving someone who's qualities that attracted one in the first place remain intact, is absurd to say the least, but when looked at as a mere fleeting amusement or interest then it makes a lot more sense.


    I think the problem with blue pill men, is like all adherents of a sect, they have to forgo the true narrative of reality to be able to love the reality of their decisions. I think they called it reality control in 1984 ( I mean the book ) . Just a cursory glance at any psychology text on narcissism, psychopathy, solipsism as a mental state or even gaslighting, cold shoulder,red herring a manipulative behaviours, shows the inherent unhealthiness of the whole dynamic. If you want to understand womens dating strategy, you don't need to read rollo or any other dating guru, just get any textbook on emotional manipulation.


    l will never forget this incident where a schoolmate of mine recently got married, and another who was also married observed how happy he looked and then this statement slipped out, " it's good he's now joined the club, no one deserves to be that happy" . And this is a guy who to all intent has free reign to do as he pleases, yet he still saw the illusion the other was walking into; he was honest enough to realise how much more miserable he became after getting married and this level of honesty is the exception not the rule. I think I've rambled for too long.
    Cheers

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    Re: What makes a blue pilled man?

    With all lingo description aside and few words as possible.

    A man that doesn't know or at least feel all the historical changes in culture and law must be as dumb or numb as a medicine ball being rolled down a hill loaded with CACTUS! How many thorns does it take?

    How far down the road of perpetual extraction and repeated destruction can they go without stopping and seeking directions, new alternatives?

    It's a road that nobody can explain to you or comprehend until you're on it taking the steps, then you see the difference, and that hardens your resolve to go even further, becoming a quench for what you thirsted for but couldn't find. In one word, I found contentment. And contentment is bulletproof to disappointment! It's peace of mind no matter how troubling the waters.
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    Re: What makes a blue pilled man?

    I think others provide excellent insight, another complimentary perspective:

    A man's entire life he is taught a narrative of women as something they are not. He is also told that any difficulties he has with women are his fault. We live in a society that collectively abuses boys with psychological torture, a typical example of which is:


    • You are always wrong.
    • Nothing you do is good enough.
    • Even thinking otherwise is deeply immoral.


    I have a friend who came from a very abusive household. His parents instilled in him the above three sentiments about himself before he could talk. By the time I met him he had already had decades of conditioning. It took him a long time, into his late twenties, to truly accept this and realise the one and only rational response; have nothing to do with his parents. Further, it took a very serious event for this to happen; without going into details its not something that could be ignored by any but the most delusional.

    This is the case for boys of our society. They are brainwashed every single day of their childhood:


    • If you any ideas about women that don't agree with society's narrative, you are wrong.
    • Nothing you do for with women is good enough.
    • The approval of women is the only measure of a man's worth.
    • Questioning these ideas is deeply immoral.


    For most men, it takes something horrendous happening to them to shock them out of their ignorance. Then follows a painful and usually slow path to working through all the conditioning.

    For some men, the conditioning is just too strong. Or perhaps the emotional pain of admitting they been so wrong for so long is just too much for them to take. To any lurker reading, I hope you can understand, as painful as accepting the truth may be in the short term, you'll be happy than you've ever been before in the long term.

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    Re: What makes a blue pilled man?

    Blue pill means unaware. Red pill is the truth. A man can be red pilled but still live out a blue pilled life, if you get me. Because he decides maybe it's better overall. Think Cipher, from the Matrix.

    Women is man's obsession and I believe that is why most of us come to be red-pilled through our experiences with and observations of women.

    But the red pill doesn't end at knowing female nature and being a MGTOW. If you stop at women you are not a serious red piller. That's why I believe Stardusk et al are controlled. There's no way anyone that analytical could not have moved onto pastures new intellectually. Those deep suspicions and discomfort you felt about women and relationshits led you to understand it all. But those same drives should still exist about more important, greater things. It's a thirst which never quite goes and is satisfying to quench. There is a truth about the world that few people are aware of, and as men we yearn to be in that select few.

    I recall a quote of Nietzsche, something about "men desire danger and play, which is why they desire women so much". Only now, my danger and play is learning the truth about the world.
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    Re: What makes a blue pilled man?

    Blue pill men want a world of structure. In reality the world is chaos.

    Blue pill men are taught as young boys to operate within the framework of a world that doesn't exist anymore as others have already posted in this thread. I would take it a step further and say they are not taught the skills to operate in this new world either. And there are fewer and fewer father figures that can teach these young boys and men the skills to be able to grapple with life's constant curve balls. And if these young boys and men do not have fathers or any male role models they have to discover this knowledge for themselves which is a steep, steep learning curve.

    So from my point of view understanding the truth and basic red pill concepts is the first step. Applying those red pill concepts and honing your skill to become agile in navigating a world in constant flux is an entire different level that a man must elevate himself towards.

    The pressures of the universe are always looking to crush all life, and that is especially true with men. Instead of dreading that pressure by deviating from the safe road that blue pill road provides men have to be willing to take calculated risks that are on his terms as a man.

    Taking risks that are beneficial to .gov, gynocracy or even women in general is a losing hand.

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    Re: What makes a blue pilled man?

    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Nomad View Post
    I would take it a step further and say they are not taught the skills to operate in this new world either. And there are fewer and fewer father figures that can teach these young boys and men the skills to be able to grapple with life's constant curve balls.
    This. ^

    I was told next to nothing, nothing of any relevance anyway. Yeah there was the odd saying that was repeated that should have raised my awareness, like: “Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned” – but I was young and I knew how to handle this shit – WRONG! – I had no idea as to the depths they would sink.

    My learning curve was steep. I was convinced the “Disney World” model was at least possible if not probable. You know: the whole “Happily Ever After” thing.

    Learning the truth that this isn’t the truth, that it is frankly an illusion, came has a hard lesson for me.

    I would try to save you my pain.
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