Thread: Mainstream media shaming: Don't call crazy bitches crazy

Washington Post - Men really need to stop calling women crazy

"Crazy" is one of the five deadly words guys use to shame women into compliance. The others: Fat. Ugly. Slutty. Bitchy. They sum up the supposedly worst things a woman can be.

"Crazy" is such a convenient word for men, perpetuating our sense of superiority. Men are logical; women are emotional. Emotion is the antithesis of logic. When women are too emotional, we say they are being irrational. Crazy. Wrong.

Women hear it all the time from men. "You're overreacting," we tell them. "Don't worry about it so much, you're over-thinking it." "Don't be so sensitive." "Don't be crazy." It's a form of gaslighting - telling women that their feelings are just wrong, that they don't have a right to feel the way that they do. Minimizing somebody else's feelings is a way of controlling them. If they no longer trust their own feelings and instincts, they come to rely on someone else to tell them how they're supposed to feel. Small wonder that abusers love to use the c-word. It's a way of delegitimitizing a woman's authority over her own life.

As soon as the "crazy" card is in play, women are put on the defensive. It derails the discussion from what she's saying to how she is saying it. We insist that someone can't be emotional and rational at the same time, so she has to prove that she's not being irrational. Anything she says to the contrary can just be used as evidence against her.

More often than not, I suspect, most men don't realize what we're saying when we call a woman crazy. Not only does it stigmatize people who have legitimate mental health issues, but it tells women that they don't understand their own emotions, that their very real concerns and issues are secondary to men's comfort. And it absolves men from having to take responsibility for how we make others feel.

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"they don't have a right to feel the way that they do"

You have a right to feel the way that you do.

And I have a right not to hear about it or give a shit about it, because I'm GMOW.

Men really need to stop calling women crazy - The Washington Post



"Harris O’Malley is a dating coach who provides geek dating advice at his blog Paging Dr. NerdLove, the Dr. NerdLove podcast and The Good Men Project."

... 'The Good Men Project'! Kill me. No need to read anything by him.

Best thing you can do is the Naughty Step. Hang up on them, don't return their calls or texts for a good two or three days. They'll either calm down or fuck off. Either way, you win.

I saw one of these... maybe the same one... posted on facebook.

I read it.

My conclusion was that it was asking men to simply accept irrational behavior.

My response was "I have a question. Why aren't men's feelings that certain things are not important just as valid as women's feelings that they are? The gist of this article, the way I read it, is that men need to develop the ability to meaningfully discuss things that they don't understand and see no meaning in. Isn't men's desire not to discuss such things JUST AS VALID as a woman's desire TO discuss them?

A man thinking that worrying about something you have no control over and might not even occur is 'crazy' is no different than a woman thinking that a man's excitement over the newest power-tool is 'stupid,' but there are no campaigns to belittle the female point of view; only the male point of view."

The weird thing was, the girl (who prides herself on being intellectual) actually agreed with me and dropped the subject.

I tell my sons that all women are crazy; just some are more crazy than others. I say this in front of my wife who then says, "of course you don't include me." My reply is, "the last I looked you were a woman. The rule stands."

I have never met a woman that is an exception to the rule. If women were judged by male standards they would all be in looney bins.

Originally Posted by Mikediver

I have never met a woman that is an exception to the rule. If women were judged by male standards they would all be in looney bins.

Even otherwise level-headed women are like this. She will imagine that something you did is a personal slight against her, then she will argue about it with "you" (in her head) for hours, days, weeks, sometimes months, and then all of a sudden, include you in the argument as if it had actually been going on the whole time.

Women reading this: Believe it or not, you're NOT the center of my universe. Therefore, most of what I do has nothing whatsoever to do with you. And that means if I do something that bothers you, and you don't TELL ME (you know, with actual verbal communication) that it bothers you, I have no way of knowing it bothers you.

Every woman is a simmering Mt St Helens just waiting to erupt and bury you alive with emotional bullshit.

Originally Posted by Ancient Sunlight

Men really need to stop calling women crazy - The Washington Post



"Harris O’Malley is a dating coach who provides geek dating advice at his blog Paging Dr. NerdLove, the Dr. NerdLove podcast and The Good Men Project."

... 'The Good Men Project'! Kill me. No need to read anything by him.

What is it with these betas and the thick-rimmed emo glasses?

"Crazy" is one of the five deadly words guys use to shame women into compliance. The others: Fat. Ugly. Slutty. Bitchy. They sum up the supposedly worst things a woman can be.

The "shaming of women into compliance" with moral, rational standards of behaviour helped create Western Civilization.

Women are, by any logical measure, insane.

Show me a normal acting woman, and I'll show you a very good liar.

Originally Posted by Octavian

Women are, by any logical measure, insane.

Show me a normal acting woman, and I'll show you a very good liar.

Or mannequin.

the oldest double standard women have ever practiced.

"you aren't allowed to judge me when I fuck up. I am allowed to judge you when I fuck up."

the fact that the article was from the wapo was all I needed to know not to bother paying attention to it.

Originally Posted by William Noy

The weird thing was, the girl (who prides herself on being intellectual) actually agreed with me and dropped the subject.

you bullied her into silence, with your logic.

as the late great patrice oneal said: "you have to mentally abuse them, they won't settle for less!"

Originally Posted by jso

the fact that the article was from the wapo was all I needed to know not to bother paying attention to it.

This article wasn't posted on some feminist blog with 500 readers, this is one of the highest circulation "news" papers/websites in the United States. I read it to learn about who the NSA's latest spying targets are and how Congress is wasting our tax dollars this week, and stumble across clickbait articles like this.

Since I don't watch TV or mainstream Hollyweird movies, or use facebook or twitter, corporate mainstream "news" sources are my only exposure to the blatant agenda of shaming in popular culture/media.

Not a problem, I will stop calling them crazy when they start acting like they have some damn sense.

The way I see it is that everyone has emotions. However it is the difference on how men and women allow those emotions to dictate their actions. Since most men use logic to dictate their actions, this frees the men from their actions being clouded by emotions. Now emotions are not a bad thing, the only trouble with them is that it can give you a false perception. Most of the time emotions are actually a gauge on how much you value another persons input. If a random woman walks up to me and tells me that I am ugly, then chances are I would dismiss her comment. The reason is that I do not know this woman and since I don't care what most people think about me, her comment would occupy about 2 nano seconds of my mind. Now let's say this woman is my wife or girlfriend and she states this same comment. Well chances are if she said this and was cold but honest about her comment then I would have some emotions behind what has been told to me. The reason is that if I have been with this woman any length of time I would actually have placed value in her opinion of me. However since men use logic to dictate their actions, we quickly see why their is such a change in her perspective and take action according to that. Women will for the most part allow their current emotions to dictate their actions. This is why women seem to act so crazy to men, the emotions change all the time and so does their actions. Emotions are not evidence of fact. Emotions are simply a state of mind or mood that is usually dictated by outside circumstances such as a relationship. So simply basing your actions on your emotions is to allow outside influences to govern your actions.

Now as much as I would like to say that I don't have emotions, this is simply not the case. However myself like most men do not allow emotions to govern my actions. Instead we look at what the actual facts are and use logic to arrive at a solution to whatever is bothering us. For most men it is usually emotions such as jealousy that pops up when we are in a relationship with a woman. However I have found that in most cases this is because I allowed the woman to nurture this unhealthy emotion in me. Most of you here have probably had this happen to you at one time or another. That girlfriend that is always comparing you to a previous lover. She may talk about things she was willing to do with a previous lover that she will not do with you. Their are many other examples of how a woman will nurture this emotion we call jealousy. Now if we allow this emotion to run wild then you have the makings of this woman controlling or dictating your actions. Thankfully as men we eventually stop and state to ourselves "I don't like feeling this way". Once we have done that, then we start to track down why we do feel that way. Logic dictates the way we track down our reason for feeling this foul emotion and governs are actions we take to eradicate it. So the next time that woman we are with starts talking about a threesome she did with another guy and that she won't do it with you, we then take a different approach. We simply tell her that we are not worried because we can have this threesome anytime we want with better looking women than her by paying two escorts. The simple use of this logic does two major things. One is that the emotion of jealousy fades away since we have taken control over the situation with the knowledge that she may deny us, however others may not. Two is that we have also taken the manipulation powers away from this woman, she has lost the ability to harness this emotion in us. Truthfully the manipulation has now backfired on them, because now they are in fear of the time we do call those two escorts for that threesome. The only trouble with this is that we now have a girlfriend that is bat shit crazy jealous because she is convinced that anytime she is not with us, that we are banging an escort.

William Noy made a very good and important observation in that their is a war to devaluing a mans feelings. This is on anything that is bad such as jealousy or envy, all the way to good emotions such as joy and excitement about something. I remember talking with a man one day while walking. This man was explaining to me that he was a janitor and how good he was at his job. I listened while he explained his technique to me on how he washed and waxed the floors. It was not his skills that interested me as much as the enthusiasm and pride he had in a job that he had done well. Once we were at the bus stop and waiting, some twat had to try and bring this guy down a peg or two. She stated that she did not know what the big deal was, that after all he was just a janitor. I had to retort by stating "Yes he may be just a janitor, however the difference is that he takes pride in his work. He may only be a janitor, however he wants to be the best janitor that he can be". I see examples of belittling a mans feelings like this all the time. This happens everyplace from out on the streets to the family court rooms and counseling offices. Often times as men if we express a feeling we are told to suck it up at best or ridiculed at worse. To further this confusion we are often told that we do not share our feelings enough. Yes men have feelings just like women do and they are both valid. However just because they are valid does not mean they are correct all the time. Feelings are often led astray because of a faulty perception of the world around us. This is why we have a lot of men that are not sure even how to be a man or what it means. Between women trying to nurture unhealthy emotions in men, then demanding we share those emotions, and when we do they devalue them or make fun of those emotions, what do you end up with? Basically you end up with men that are often times very confused about the world around him. Their is nothing solid to anchor himself to, so that he can gain a proper perspective on the world around him. So a woman's emotions and actions may seem to be crazy to us. However the truth is that a woman's emotions and actions are often used to dislodge a man's foothold on how he perceives the world around him. To break it down to the end game it is about a woman's ability to control the men in her life.

Think about it, how often have we came to the aid of a woman in distress, never questioning how this situation happened? How many of us have confronted that guy at the bar that was getting too close to the woman we are with? Their are many examples of women using manipulation of a man's emotions to control his actions. This often continues with even more manipulation to make the man feel less and less able to take care of himself and fills him with doubt about his own judgement. Often times these men become lost and only react to a woman's emotional whim. Once a woman is married and has her man under her control like this, she then knows she is free to do what she wants. This is why in a marriage if the woman cheats, the husband often times wants to remain married and work it out. He has been fooled into believing that he cannot make it without his wife, or that he will never get laid again without her. However if the husband cheats in the marriage then often times the wife will leave him. The weird thing is that in marriages that suffer infidelity and does not break up, years later a majority of wives feel they made the right choice by staying, while the majority of husbands do not. Once again this is because often times the wife actually has full amends made to her, while the husband that is cheated on is told to suck it up. This is why I often say that when it comes to a woman's emotions and the games they play gives them a very unfair advantage at the start. To complete this cycle you throw in law enforcement and family courts and their is no end to a woman's power and ability to manipulate. If we were to compare the game women play today to a chess game the rules would be something like this. For every move a man makes with his chess piece, she can take three moves. For every chess piece the man captures on the board, she automatically gets to capture three pieces. If a man places her in check, then she gets to declare checkmate on him. If a man checkmates her, then the board is reset because something went wrong, she did not win. When the game is setup so the only outcome is to loose then the logical choice is not to play at all. This article is simply another example of why men should accept women as their masters. While they have not figured out a way to enslave the free men such as us, you can bet that they are working on that.

Sure ladies, I'll stop calling you "crazy" -- just as soon as you stop calling us "creepy."

Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

As soon as the "crazy" card is in play, women are put on the defensive. It derails the discussion from what she's saying to how she is saying it.

Which is something that women never do.

Originally Posted by The Prisoner

The way I see it is that everyone has emotions. However it is the difference on how men and women allow those emotions to dictate their actions. Since most men use logic to dictate their actions, this frees the men from their actions being clouded by emotions.

I'm sorry guys, but this is rubbish. Men act on their emotions all the time. That's why they get into trouble. That's why they lose money gambling and on the stock market. That's why they are still taking that blue pill. Its also why they are sometimes heroes. Pretending that this is not the case - that men in general are logical like Mr Spock - loses us a whole lot of credibility, because it's so obviously false.

Craziness is not "acting on your emotions", it's being motherfucking crazy. Psychotic. Delusional. Narcissistic. Batshit insane. Having a complete disconnect between your actions and your self image - throwing knives at your partner, and being completely certain you are a victim. Honestly believing that the things you chose to do are somebody else's fault. Genuinely feeling that this morning's regrets makes last night's consensual sex rape. Routinely editing your memories and being unable to face reality without a buffer of lies. And being willing to harm those you claim to love to maintain those lies.

Crazy is being fucking nuts.