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    Louder with Crowder

    A new member has asked for advice on this guy. His name is Steven Crowder.

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    Steven Blake Crowder (/ˈkraʊdər/; born July 7, 1987) is an American-Canadian conservative political commentator, media host, and comedian. He hosts Louder with Crowder, a daily political podcast. He is particularly notable for a recurring segment called "Change My Mind". He is also a former contributor at Fox News.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Crowder

    I'm not familiar with the guy, nor am I a big watcher of influencer vids so my compass may be a bit off.

    I watched this vid (8 ½ minutes):



    and he seems like a pretty straight up dude, calling out some of the hypocrisy we all see around us. But that’s only from one vid.

    I would point out that he is listed as a comedian. As such I would question his motives (Bill Burr springs to mind – he talked the talk for years, then married and settled down to the blue-pill life), but so long as he speaks the truth I’ve no real problem with that.

    What do you think guys? Are any of you familiar with him long term to give a more balanced opinion?

    There was a point or two during this vid that he seemed to be endorsing the tradcon life: “This isn’t what men want in a woman” and some such. Then I read he is married which seems to reinforce this observation.

    My opinion:

    Red-pill? Maybe, but not fully and not MGTOW – the guy is married. He seems to have his finger on at least some aspects of feminism though.

    My advice to DudePsych and any lurker reading this; truth can be found in many places. Spotting the difference between truth and opportunism can be difficult, especially at the start of your journey. Don’t put too much faith in any one person or you’re setting yourself up for disappointment somewhere down the line and any disillusionment may lead you back to the farm.
    Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. - Mark Twain.

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    Re: Louder with Crowder

    Bro, 914k followers should sufficiently trigger your scepticism of him being legit.
    He is more of the same. One look and I can tell he has nothing worthwhile to say.
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    If they used S&W.44 mags like I suggested, mistakes like this wouldn't happen!

    MGTOW is justice brewed to perfection!

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    Re: Louder with Crowder

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    A new member has asked for advice on this guy. His name is Steven Crowder.

    A bit of background:

    Steven Blake Crowder (/ˈkraʊdər/; born July 7, 1987) is an American-Canadian conservative political commentator, media host, and comedian. He hosts Louder with Crowder, a daily political podcast. He is particularly notable for a recurring segment called "Change My Mind". He is also a former contributor at Fox News.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Crowder

    I'm not familiar with the guy, nor am I a big watcher of influencer vids so my compass may be a bit off.

    I watched this vid (8 ½ minutes):



    and he seems like a pretty straight up dude, calling out some of the hypocrisy we all see around us. But that’s only from one vid.

    I would point out that he is listed as a comedian. As such I would question his motives (Bill Burr springs to mind – he talked the talk for years, then married and settled down to the blue-pill life), but so long as he speaks the truth I’ve no real problem with that.

    What do you think guys? Are any of you familiar with him long term to give a more balanced opinion?

    There was a point or two during this vid that he seemed to be endorsing the tradcon life: “This isn’t what men want in a woman” and some such. Then I read he is married which seems to reinforce this observation.

    My opinion:

    Red-pill? Maybe, but not fully and not MGTOW – the guy is married. He seems to have his finger on at least some aspects of feminism though.

    My advice to DudePsych and any lurker reading this; truth can be found in many places. Spotting the difference between truth and opportunism can be difficult, especially at the start of your journey. Don’t put too much faith in any one person or you’re setting yourself up for disappointment somewhere down the line and any disillusionment may lead you back to the farm.
    Just a little insight as to what I've found in my sojourn thus far on this rock. One cannot delegate the responsibility of making your own choices and living with the compromises that come with having an unfair hand dealt by nature, nurture or both. I know it's gratifying to idolise some hero who embodies all the virtues one holds dear, but the way I see it, one man's idea of virtue can eventually come to resemble vice to one whose goals differ.



    I don't know where this notion came from, that all our heroes should be Angelic beings with no spots upon their cherubic wings, but truth be told, some virtues inherently are tied to other behavioural patterns one might consider vice from another angle.Not to diminish their worth but Thomas Paine, who happens to be one of my heroes was an alcoholic, Ghandi had a bit of a racist streak, Martin Luther King had a thing for the ladies and so on. In my opinion that should not diminish their worth but rather highlight that despite the frailty of their humanity they still proved capable of rising above it occasionally, which is more than can be said for most of "humanity".



    In my opinion, I doubt there is anyway to find an individual who agrees on every point, but enough intersection of perspective should be adequate the way I see it. So long as he is sincere in his beliefs and he is doing it for the right reasons, there really is no need to verify if he is a heathen who uses jam instead of butter on his toast.



    I think this craze with perfection originated with the cultural marxists who use it as a battering ram to go after all the individuals who represented values they found themselves up against. It's like the kids game of throwing stuff until something sticks, it's very easy to point out people's flaws, because newsflash: everyone has one or two things about themselves they're not too proud of.


    We seem to forget that civilization is an artificial construct and a lot of time, people have to actively go against their nature to identify with the collective's interest, its bound to spill out in some other form just like a girdle can only hide so much.



    Not to belabour the point, I think the important thing is, we all need to put ourselves in a position where we are discerning enough to determine the validity of another's arguments regardless of what group the other belongs to. With that, I doubt it will be of much relevance whether you agree with each other or not, otherwise, one risks falling into the clutches of a demagogue who merely echos our sentiments . Basically, I think if his arguments seem engaging, then by all means patronize him, but one must always remember their thinking cap. Seen some of his stuff and generally I don't think he is too shabby but one never knows.
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    Re: Louder with Crowder

    Hey bro, just my two cents. Experience has taught me to be deeply suspicious of people with large followings on platforms that routinely censor the truth.
    My opinion was sought, and given. But by all means look into it.
    I am also coming at this from a much redder pilled perspective than a noob. That is not to say insights from compromised individuals are not valid; I learned a lot from Stardusk in my purple pill days even though it is obvious to me now the guy is controlled.

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    Re: Louder with Crowder

    I tend to agree with Crowder's political points. That said, I have tried to listen to his show a couple of times, and had to eject early both times.

    It's just too silly, trying to make jokes, etc.

    I guess it makes sense given that he's originally a comedian, but that juvenile attempted humor stuff is like finger nails on a chalkboard.....

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    Re: Louder with Crowder

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    ... I learned a lot from Stardusk in my purple pill days even though it is obvious to me now the guy is controlled.
    I'm a huge Stardusk/Thinking Ape fan. I'm not sure how he's "controlled" other than his desperately wanting to stay on YT.

    The one knock I would make against Stardusk is that he doesn't seem to want to place his content on alternate platforms, thus he remains dependent on the good graces of YT.

    Not the greatest strategy given his content, but, YT is where the bulk of eyeballs (or ears) are.

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    Re: Louder with Crowder

    Quote Originally Posted by Faramir View Post
    I'm a huge Stardusk/Thinking Ape fan. I'm not sure how he's "controlled" other than his desperately wanting to stay on YT.
    He has not come out against Convid 1984 and he never goes any further in his analysis. The enquiring mind has to go further. Fair enough the guy wants to get by he has to play by JooTube's rules. Hence he will never go 'there'.
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    Re: Louder with Crowder

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    He has not come out against Convid 1984 and he never goes any further in his analysis. The enquiring mind has to go further. Fair enough the guy wants to get by he has to play by JooTube's rules. Hence he will never go 'there'.
    You-Tube can suck my dick! I like the way I broke up their political monopoly by self termination upon discovering I was being shadow banned.

    Hey, YOU TUBE;



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    Re: Louder with Crowder

    The classic Crowder video of prank calls to bleeding heart SJW women at "Progressive Churches": [COLOR=var(--ytd-video-primary-info-renderer-title-color, var(--yt-spec-text-primary))]PRANK CALLS: Will Liberal Churches Accept Refugees??[/COLOR]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9zIzIePjpo&t=254s

    The women try desperately to squirm their way out of taking responsibility for the immigrants they invite in and want to dump on someone else! Hilarious hypocrisy! LOL
    Quote Originally Posted by Faramir View Post
    I tend to agree with Crowder's political points. That said, I have tried to listen to his show a couple of times, and had to eject early both times.

    It's just too silly, trying to make jokes, etc.

    I guess it makes sense given that he's originally a comedian, but that juvenile attempted humor stuff is like finger nails on a chalkboard.....

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    Re: Louder with Crowder

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    Hey bro, just my two cents. Experience has taught me to be deeply suspicious of people with large followings on platforms that routinely censor the truth.
    My opinion was sought, and given. But by all means look into it.
    I am also coming at this from a much redder pilled perspective than a noob. That is not to say insights from compromised individuals are not valid; I learned a lot from Stardusk in my purple pill days even though it is obvious to me now the guy is controlled.
    I agree with your perspective, I just got caught up on a different trajectory. What I think though is that he probably has some compelling points, and he might even believe them to be true and see no contradiction in the whole framework, but it does not absolve us as individuals from doing our own thinking, and that was the crux of my earlier assertions.


    It's the age old tale of the fish and the worm isn't it ? The fish sees a free meal, the worm doesn't know it's bait and only the fisherman has the full picture . Sometimes, I think a lot of people are not even aware of their position making them pawns in someone else's game. Everyone here I'm certain knows the appeal of simply agreeing with whatever position someone you agree with on other issues takes, even when there is a gnawing feeling they could be mistaken .


    I know what I'm suggesting is not as neatly packaged as alternative positions but I find it more satisfying to do my own thinking even when I eventually have to retrace my steps to a position I rejected earlier.Cheers

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    Re: Louder with Crowder

    Nice analogy. The goal to me has always to become the fisherman. The price is loneliness but the upside is worth much more to me.

    It's like that shill, Jordan Peterson. He's got the masses fooled into thinking he's on our side, but he's not. He's keeping people blue pilled. He offers the bait to the fishes. So even if he dispenses a lot of red pill knowledge, he is nonetheless hiding the real truth and enforcing an agenda to keep you asleep. Which makes him a fucking enemy in my quest.
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    Re: Louder with Crowder

    Quote Originally Posted by African-Daoist View Post
    Everyone here I'm certain knows the appeal of simply agreeing with whatever position someone you agree with on other issues takes, even when there is a gnawing feeling they could be mistaken .


    I know what I'm suggesting is not as neatly packaged as alternative positions but I find it more satisfying to do my own thinking even when I eventually have to retrace my steps to a position I rejected earlier.Cheers
    This, I think, relates to my original point. Don't put too much emphasis on the views of others. Yes they can lead, and they can guide; but in the end you must trust in yourself, in your own interpretations.

    If you don't think for yourself then someone else is going to step in and do it for you!
    Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. - Mark Twain.

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    Re: Louder with Crowder

    Crowder in these times looks like a super man in a sea of lost men out there. Crowder has common sense which was common for most men back in the day.

    The paradigm has shifted so much that what Crowder says is considered 'radical". Meanwhile what Crowder is saying is simply commonly tossed around on mgtow forums and other men's forums and youtube channels.

    My favorite segments with Crowder is when he goes onto college campuses and challenges young adults to think with debate and critical thinking skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    Nice analogy. The goal to me has always to become the fisherman. The price is loneliness but the upside is worth much more to me.

    It's like that shill, Jordan Peterson. He's got the masses fooled into thinking he's on our side, but he's not. He's keeping people blue pilled. He offers the bait to the fishes. So even if he dispenses a lot of red pill knowledge, he is nonetheless hiding the real truth and enforcing an agenda to keep you asleep. Which makes him a fucking enemy in my quest.
    True, Peterson does have some nuggets, but of recent I have had cause to question his motives. Coupled with his daughter leaving her husband and some clearly questionable comments he has made. If he couldn't even get his own daughter to be in a long term commitment, how are his opinions valid as regards modern relationships? Not to kick a man when he is down, but the proof of the pudding it's often said, is in the eating. To be honest, I have heard it been said that for a lie to be effective it should have a large helping of truth mixed in it.


    I don't want to believe he is insincere in his statements, but the contradictions seem to either stem from cognitive dissonance or an agenda. I'd rather believe the former, as I like him and that's the only scenario I find his disconnect from reality on some issues acceptable.

    Cheers

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    Re: Louder with Crowder

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    This, I think, relates to my original point. Don't put too much emphasis on the views of others. Yes they can lead, and they can guide; but in the end you must trust in yourself, in your own interpretations.

    If you don't think for yourself then someone else is going to step in and do it for you!
    Yes, we are in agreement, I was merely delving deeper into why making up one's own mind is important. All too often there is always some con man dressed in the robes of a shepherd, selling the sheep off to the wolves.
    Cheers

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    Re: Louder with Crowder

    All the clues are there for Peterson being a shill. His instant, meteoric rise to fame and riches. His refusal to discuss the JQ (course he's not going to expose his handlers). His disappearing act.. Depression, anxiety - really, from a man who's advising the world's men on how to act?! People with the answers are not lost themselves. No comment against Convid.. Pushing individualism (no organised resistance). You really need to look into him more closely bro. He's 100% an agent of them.
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    Re: Louder with Crowder

    I don't think Peterson is an agent for anyone.

    I believe the easier explanation is that Peterson is clearly a blue pill tradcon that believes in rigid archtypes which he is fond of discussing for young men to emulate to build traditional nuclear family units. Furthermore, people put people like Peterson and Rollo on a pedestal so quickly and even Bar bar. But they are far from perfect and have flaws like the rest of us. The flaws in Peterson's case is that he is very intelligent in being able to look at people and how society is organized. But he fails to see that free will is a powerful driver for men to walk away from a rigged game. That is why Peterson couldn't understand the concept of MGTOW the first time around and probably still grapples with the idea. What exact archtype does a mgtow fit into? MGTOW doesn't fit into a single category or archtype as it mean something different to each man.

    That is why stardusk I can relate with the most because he discusses his flaws more openly and is more open minded.

    And what do all these highly intelligent men have in common? They all have fallen into the traps of the gynocracy and women. I can't blame them because I have been there myself.

    What we must look for is what they say should be congruent with their actions and the people they surround themselves with. Most PUAs and "red pill" coaches on social media and YT are not congruent with what they teach or say regarding the lifestyles they lead. While the "manosphere" has had a lot of pointless bickering and rivalries there has been also valid criticism of the information put out there to young, impressionable young men.

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    Re: Louder with Crowder

    I guess I am in disagreement with the idea that a highly intelligent person is not red pilled. Red pilled is not about women per se, it is awareness of the truth. Reality. Highly intelligent people see this more than anyone else.
    Question, why would you listen to or respect a blue piller? By definition they are less aware, less advanced than you are. So they aren't worth listening to.
    JP even said his wife has never lied to him. Lol, on that statement alone how can I trust him on female nature, relationshits? He's clearly lying or deluded, plus his experience of only one woman in his life makes him underqualified to advise men about women.
    We need to get away from this notion that anyone with a wife and kids is blue pilled. Is Elon Musk too?
    These people are very aware of the reality of things.
    He is telling us how to live but he is completely sanctioned - promoted, by the powers that be. Doesn't that trigger your spidey senses?
    JP suffers from cognitive dissonance hence his 'personal problems'.
    Be an individual! Stand up straight, listen carefully, accept your place within the hierachy!
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    I have been sniffing out frauds all my life and I bet this is no different!
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    Re: Louder with Crowder

    Peterson has great insights but by no means he is "red pilled" because like all tradcons he believes a man isn't a man until he has a traditional family. And yes there are many intelligent people that are not red pill. That is why Peterson could never understand MGTOW and mocked MGTOW concept the first time around. Peterson is a classic blue pill tradcon and he doesn't hide it as he wears it as a badge of honor.

    As for the concept of being red pilled or having a wife I will keep it short. We have had members here that had wives or currently married that discovered mgtow or became red pilled. Their insights are of greater value for being able to go your own way and to warn other men of the pitfalls of LTRs and marriage.

    But when the word red pill is tossed around with the Peterson's and Rollo's out there that is a big NO from me. That is closer to being PUA purple pill and there are many PUA gurus that end up marrying women that are very low on the SMV scale. Meanwhile these same PUAs are out there preaching about closing 8s, 9s, and 10s. That is not congruent with the choice they made in life and by not means makes them any more red pilled either. PUAs understand the true nature of women and the structure of the world, but that doesn't make them "red pill". Peterson is definitely not a red piller by no means.

    Information from Peterson's and Rollo's out there are great but I wouldn't elevate these men to deity status if they are still stuck in the "old world" concepts like Rollo often says.


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