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    Re: LOL @ Republicans in Texas praising that abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by Insurgency View Post
    Abortion is necessary. Conservatives donít think long term. Unwanted pregnancies turn into problem children and those problem children turn into problem adults. Better to abort problems before they actually become a problem.
    There's plenty of unwanted children who weren't aborted even when abortion is available; this is true by your own admission of what the area you live in is like. Here in the UK there's plenty of sh*thole areas too, especially in London. The problem isn't just unwanted pregnancies, its that laws are poorly written and/or inconsistently applied due to f***ed up politics.

    Abortion was illegal in the UK in the 50s and there were nowhere near as many sh*thole areas then as there are now. Abortion is not a magic fix to much deeper problems. Giving in to the demands of whinging children who refuse to take responsibility for their actions is not going to solve anything. The opposite is what is needed; making people accountable for their actions. Abortion alone is not going to do this but at least its small return to some semblance of basic reason and morals.

    I'm fine with moral pragmatism but there's lines I won't cross. Killing babies is one of them.

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    Re: LOL @ Republicans in Texas praising that abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by suspiciouscrow View Post
    There's plenty of unwanted children who weren't aborted even when abortion is available; this is true by your own admission of what the area you live in is like. Here in the UK there's plenty of sh*thole areas too, especially in London. The problem isn't just unwanted pregnancies, its that laws are poorly written and/or inconsistently applied due to f***ed up politics.

    Abortion was illegal in the UK in the 50s and there were nowhere near as many sh*thole areas then as there are now. Abortion is not a magic fix to much deeper problems. Giving in to the demands of whinging children who refuse to take responsibility for their actions is not going to solve anything. The opposite is what is needed; making people accountable for their actions. Abortion alone is not going to do this but at least its small return to some semblance of basic reason and morals.

    I'm fine with moral pragmatism but there's lines I won't cross. Killing babies is one of them.
    Ok. We will send all the unwanted kids your way.

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    Re: LOL @ Republicans in Texas praising that abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by Insurgency View Post
    Ok. We will send all the unwanted kids your way.
    We'll? Who's "we"? Who are you with? Some form of female rights brigade? Womb commander? How the fuck is it any of your business to stand on one side or the other without having a womb?

    Deposit nothing in their ovens and you're not responsible for whatever they bake, that damnation rests on the shoulders of all that partake, to which I'm not part of that paradigm directly or indirectly. Unless I have womb or deposits in one, I'm not responsible for what others do or the depths they're willing to sink. Pragmatically, it's my belief that abortion is terminating human life. I'm just glad I'm not in that hot seat nor ever will be.

    MGTOW puts a lid called avoidance on abortion. Avoidance of culpability, accountability, and responsibility, we're not even in the equation, we're as far away as we can get.

    Abortion isn't even a MGTOW position, it's only an opinion, either way you fall on whatever side of that line, we're not the ones with the wombs laying on an operating table with human butchers doing their thing.
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    Re: LOL @ Republicans in Texas praising that abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    We'll? Who's "we"? Who are you with? Some form of female rights brigade? Womb commander? How the fuck is it any of your business to stand on one side or the other without having a womb?

    Deposit nothing in their ovens and you're not responsible for whatever they bake, that damnation rests on the shoulders of all that partake, to which I'm not part of that paradigm directly or indirectly. Unless I have womb or deposits in one, I'm not responsible for what others do or the depths they're willing to sink. Pragmatically, it's my belief that abortion is terminating human life. I'm just glad I'm not in that hot seat nor ever will be.

    MGTOW puts a lid called avoidance on abortion. Avoidance of culpability, accountability, and responsibility, we're not even in the equation, we're as far away as we can get.

    Abortion isn't even a MGTOW position, it's only an opinion, either way you fall on whatever side of that line, we're not the ones with the wombs laying on an operating table with human butchers doing their thing.
    I believe in forced population control by preventing births. Optimal solution would be forced sterilization on people who are proven to be unfit parents.

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    Re: LOL @ Republicans in Texas praising that abortion law

    I'm against abortion, and in favor of setting up kids for adoption if the parents don't want kids. I mean it's not the baby's fault the mother got pregnant by being a slut. Why should the kid pay the price with its unborn life?

    Here in the State of Illinois, we have a law that allows a mother to drop off the newborn at either a church, police department or fire station if they choose to not want the child as long as the baby is under a month old.
    It's a man's world and we need to take it by the throat and make it give us what we desire.

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    Re: LOL @ Republicans in Texas praising that abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by Insurgency View Post
    Ok. We will send all the unwanted kids your way.
    Nope. It has nothing to do with me. I didn't impregnate these women, I am saying only that they are responsible for the situation themselves and I don't believe they should be allowed to murder their way out of it. Your argument is the same as saying that if I'm not happy with a parent beating their child to death then I have to look after said child. This is an irrational argument that's been rebutted many times.

    As others have said, MGTOW is a philosophy and it has no position on abortions. My opinions are my own. You've heard what I have to think and if you don't like it then fine. As you are now using non-arguments such as the quoted above, no further time will be wasted on this.

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    Re: LOL @ Republicans in Texas praising that abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by Insurgency View Post
    LMFAO @ you. Iím sorry, but I had to. If you think those types of kids are going to actually do that, then I got a bridge to sell you.

    You canít be this gullible and naive.

    I live around the results of unwanted pregnancies, and I can tell you from experience it ainít gonna happen.
    Cut off the welfare and watch it happen.

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    Re: LOL @ Republicans in Texas praising that abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by Insurgency View Post
    More shifts would work. Iím pretty sure corporations can figure it out. I think their called pitman shifts. some many hours on and so many hours off.

    Production doesnít take a hit.
    "Corporations can figure it out".....yeah, you live in la-la land. If you add more shifts, that almost certainly means more employees. More employees equals more benefits, which equals higher costs.....

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    Re: LOL @ Republicans in Texas praising that abortion law

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    I live around the results of unwanted pregnancies, and I can tell you from experience it ain’t gonna happen.
    And one wonders.....what are you doing living in such a miserable area? But I know the answer. Generally, Marxists can't be bothered to get off their keisters and do anything, even for their own benefit.

    One also wonders: what is a Marxist doing in a MGTOW forum? Generally, MGTOWers are libertarian by philosophy.

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    Re: LOL @ Republicans in Texas praising that abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    We'll? Who's "we"? Who are you with? Some form of female rights brigade? Womb commander? How the fuck is it any of your business to stand on one side or the other without having a womb?

    Deposit nothing in their ovens and you're not responsible for whatever they bake, that damnation rests on the shoulders of all that partake, to which I'm not part of that paradigm directly or indirectly. Unless I have womb or deposits in one, I'm not responsible for what others do or the depths they're willing to sink. Pragmatically, it's my belief that abortion is terminating human life. I'm just glad I'm not in that hot seat nor ever will be.

    MGTOW puts a lid called avoidance on abortion. Avoidance of culpability, accountability, and responsibility, we're not even in the equation, we're as far away as we can get.

    Abortion isn't even a MGTOW position, it's only an opinion, either way you fall on whatever side of that line, we're not the ones with the wombs laying on an operating table with human butchers doing their thing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Faramir View Post
    And one wonders.....what are you doing living in such a miserable area? But I know the answer. Generally, Marxists can't be bothered to get off their keisters and do anything, even for their own benefit.

    One also wonders: what is a Marxist doing in a MGTOW forum? Generally, MGTOWers are libertarian by philosophy.
    I have disabilities and survive the best way I can. Everyone canít afford to live in the suburbs or move to rural areas. Itís called life. However itís no excuse to live like a savage. Abortions are needed in order to prevent unwanted pregnancies. No one is gone ban premarital sex.

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    Re: LOL @ Republicans in Texas praising that abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    We'll? Who's "we"? Who are you with? Some form of female rights brigade? Womb commander? How the fuck is it any of your business to stand on one side or the other without having a womb?

    Deposit nothing in their ovens and you're not responsible for whatever they bake, that damnation rests on the shoulders of all that partake, to which I'm not part of that paradigm directly or indirectly. Unless I have womb or deposits in one, I'm not responsible for what others do or the depths they're willing to sink. Pragmatically, it's my belief that abortion is terminating human life. I'm just glad I'm not in that hot seat nor ever will be.

    MGTOW puts a lid called avoidance on abortion. Avoidance of culpability, accountability, and responsibility, we're not even in the equation, we're as far away as we can get.

    Abortion isn't even a MGTOW position, it's only an opinion, either way you fall on whatever side of that line, we're not the ones with the wombs laying on an operating table with human butchers doing their thing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Faramir View Post
    And one wonders.....what are you doing living in such a miserable area? But I know the answer. Generally, Marxists can't be bothered to get off their keisters and do anything, even for their own benefit.

    One also wonders: what is a Marxist doing in a MGTOW forum? Generally, MGTOWers are libertarian by philosophy.
    If you think everyone can afford to live in good neighborhoods if they work hard enough, then I got a bridge to sell you.

    I see what this mess is, and alt right madness.

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    Re: LOL @ Republicans in Texas praising that abortion law

    Honestly, if a mother is considering abortion, I can't think of anything worse than denying her that option. It's a lot like the Navy SEALS, if a candidate is considering ringing the bell on Hell Week, do you really want that person to partake in a high pressure life-or-death mission? When they go to reach for the bell do you grab their hand and say "No, you have to stay!"

    Likewise, do you want a child to be raised by parents who are ambivalent about having a child before it has even arrived? Child rearing is an 18+ year old legal (and moral) commitment that shouldn't be half-assed by people who view it as a begrudging obligation.

    Putting the child up for adoption is an option, but that's easier said than done. And if you read subreddits where adults who were adopted post, their experiences in the adoption/foster system are mixed at best.

    Quote Originally Posted by suspicious crow
    Giving in to the demands of whinging children who refuse to take responsibility for their actions is not going to solve anything.
    That's precisely it though, do you think it's a good idea for whinging irresponsible 'adult children' to raise actual children? Your mentality strikes me as the equivalent of cutting off your nose to spite your own face. It's all well and good to want people to be held responsible for their actions, but when the result harms society and a future child, the desire to mete out karma is of a distant secondary concern.

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    Re: LOL @ Republicans in Texas praising that abortion law

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    Reasons i am a communist. If you actually understand what the heck marx was proposing it was ghosting in its highest form. Your work 15 hours a week, or 60 13 weeks a year, and the rest of your time is yours to do whatever you please with.
    Wouldn't it be hard for the workforce to have enough productivity if everyone only worked 15 hours per week?

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    Re: LOL @ Republicans in Texas praising that abortion law

    I don’t think I have ever spoke about abortion on here before, tricky subject as I already see.
    Ultimately this law will only force the women who want abortions backstreet or across borders. Millions of abortions were performed before legalization with all the obvious dangers. It’s going to happen anyway, like it or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    Deposit nothing in their ovens and you're not responsible for whatever they bake, that damnation rests on the shoulders of all that partake, to which I'm not part of that paradigm directly or indirectly. Unless I have a womb or deposits in one, I'm not responsible for what others do or the depths they're willing to sink.

    Good point but unfortunately 99% are unaware of female nature. Women have powerful biological wiring that compels them to churn out babies even when they can’t afford it. Women will say they don’t want kids to their partners then change their mind a couple of years later and come off the pill without saying anything. Rational male told how basketball players got hit with paternity claims after women fished used condoms out the bin and self impregnated. These men had absolutely no say in the matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Faramir View Post
    there have been 62 million abortions in the US since Roe v Wade.

    62 million unwanted children, many growing up in single mother households. Men on the hook for child support or socially pressured to “do the right thing” and marry her. Not to mention all the extra crime and other social problems they cause. Who’s tax pays for all this mess, the rest of us of course. It can be easily argued that millions or even billions of people are walking the earth today who would never have made it out of childhood in the past thanks to medical science.

    The concept of abortion is unpleasant but I value quality of life after birth, having personally witnessed large families living off rubbish tips in places like Manila.

    Quote Originally Posted by Faramir View Post
    Cut off the welfare and watch it happen.

    Yes but unfortunately it’s probably never going to happen.

    This law change was obviously the end result of religion. The same people who also oppose birth control and try to promote abstinence which of course doesn’t work in the 21st century. We are not going back to the 1950s anytime soon.

    The pill led to the sexual revolution.
    The sexual revolution + women's inability to use pill properly = Loads of single mothers.
    Loads of single mothers led to abortion laws.

    Ultimately these issues stem from the fact that birth control was placed in the hands of women and men usually end up paying one way or the other.

    The only way to change this is the male birth control equivalent. Rational male argued if all young men were given a reversible vasectomy so they had a choice when to reverse it. Then our society would change overnight since it took that power out of women's hands.

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    Re: LOL @ Republicans in Texas praising that abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by stanmsl View Post
    Ultimately this law will only force the women who want abortions backstreet or across borders.
    Well that didn't take long........

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    Re: LOL @ Republicans in Texas praising that abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by Insurgency View Post
    I have disabilities and survive the best way I can. Everyone can’t afford to live in the suburbs or move to rural areas. It’s called life. However it’s no excuse to live like a savage. Abortions are needed in order to prevent unwanted pregnancies. No one is gone ban premarital sex.
    The much better way to reduce unwanted births is to end welfare. Let people learn there are consequences to their decisions. But, I suspect that you are receiving welfare; so obviously you won't like the obvious and better solution.

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    Re: LOL @ Republicans in Texas praising that abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by TigPlaze View Post
    Wouldn't it be hard for the workforce to have enough productivity if everyone only worked 15 hours per week?
    It can't work; the poster is in la-la land. There's a reason that communist countries are s### holes.

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    Re: LOL @ Republicans in Texas praising that abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by Insurgency View Post
    If you think everyone can afford to live in good neighborhoods if they work hard enough, then I got a bridge to sell you.

    I see what this mess is, and alt right madness.
    Yes, with planning and hard work, most things (although not all things, obviously) are possible.

    I suspect that with research and planning, you could find a way to live for cheap in a rural or small town area, away from the people you speak of.

    But most people don't want to plan nor do they want to work hard/smart.

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    Re: LOL @ Republicans in Texas praising that abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by stanmsl View Post
    I don’t think I have ever spoke about abortion on here before...
    To Stanmsl –

    Thanks for the thoughtful post. I agree with some of and disagree with some of it.

    “Ultimately this law will only force the women who want abortions backstreet or across borders.”

    --It will force them to travel to states where abortion is more easily obtained. I see nothing wrong with this. One assumption that needs to be challenged is that women should have easy access to abortion. Like I said above, they can f%ck a different guy every day of the week, I don’t care, I’m for freedom. But if one is going to “play the game,” then one should be prepared for the downside, whether that’s STI/STDs or unwanted pregnancy. Maybe making it harder will force people to become more responsible. Yes, that’s probably going to take seeing some “tough examples.”

    “Good point but unfortunately 99% are unaware of female nature.”

    --A key point you left out here (and most people leave out) is that an insistence on “easy access to abortion” is essentially admitting that women need to rely on their sexuality to get ahead, whether in personal relationships or business. No one seems to admit or recognize this (or very few do), but the ironic thing is that while feminists insist on the “right to choose,” they would also object to “being objectified sexually.” But the “right to choose” is necessarily the right for a woman to trade upon, and use, her sexuality. Of course women (and male feminists) aren’t known for their reason and logic.

    “62 million unwanted children, many growing up in single mother households…………. Who’s tax pays for all this mess….”

    --the parents should pay, as it should be. Yes, in the short run, it’s going to create “Mad Max ghettos.” I view that as unfortunately necessary to provide the negative example, so people will say: “I don’t want to end up like that.”

    Again, in some perfect world, I think women should have the right to choose, but that right has been horribly abused, and often at taxpayer expense. If abortion were “safe, legal and rare,” I would be alright with it. But it isn’t, and that fact is supporting and underscoring some of the worst aspects of human (mostly female) nature.

    Re: cutting off welfare…

    “Yes but unfortunately it’s probably never going to happen.”

    It may happen sooner than you think. There are projections that Social Security can only pay 75% of its obligations starting in 2035. A recent report moved that up by a year to 2034. And if Soc. Security is in trouble, one has to imagine that so is Medicare/Medicaid, and all other welfare transfer payments. I know 2034 may seem like a long ways away, but it really isn’t.


    “The only way to change this is the male birth control equivalent.”

    --Interestingly, me and a buddy of mine often speculate that if men had control over their fertility (other than a condom or a snip), the birth rate would plunge exponentially (far more than it is now). That raises the question: has society always depended on men letting their little head do the thinking, to keep society (ie, creation of new people) going? It’s an interesting question, and I think the answer is “yes.”

    Will check out the video. [ah, good old Coltaine]

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    Re: LOL @ Republicans in Texas praising that abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by Faramir View Post
    Yes, with planning and hard work, most things (although not all things, obviously) are possible.

    I suspect that with research and planning, you could find a way to live for cheap in a rural or small town area, away from the people you speak of.

    But most people don't want to plan nor do they want to work hard/smart.
    Itís not happening for me. Iím lucky to even be where I am at. Iím handicapped


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