Thread: Let's about criminalizing false rape allegations

Sorry guys but the idea of being jailed for false rape allegation is rather impossible. 37% of reported rapes were false allegations (USA). But most girls who were actually raped do not report and cannot produce evidence. You can also sue for defamation if you can prove reputation damage. I don't know how effective is that. I think only celebs benefit from this. This could be a ripe ground for liberals to vilify men by suggesting women don't disclose rape because men will get them in jail. From this simple standpoint the gynocentric order will vehemently be against this. They don't want a single girl to break a sweat, but they will definetely hold you in a cell for months awaiting trial until your innocence is proved. If you don't get jailed for rape, you are jailed for being accused of rape. And the idea of paying bail is ludicrous. It's a right of citizens to have speedy trials. I could swear the justice system counts on this to happen to milk men out of their money even more.

Overall, in my opinion, this is not a battle worth fighting. It's hard to win and the benefit is very marginal, and it might also hurt men in fact. There's other things that advance our cause much more. I would say divorce laws and support networks for men is at the top of this. I always viewed paternity assurance and emphasizing the role of fathers and men in shaping next generation as paramount for men's rights. But of course there's nothing more mgtow and MRAist that taking care of your yourself.

What do you think guys? am I missing something?

Originally Posted by MoroccanMgtow

Sorry guys but the idea of being jailed for false rape allegation is rather impossible. 37% of reported rapes were false allegations (USA). But most girls who were actually raped do not report and cannot produce evidence. You can also sue for defamation if you can prove reputation damage. I don't know how effective is that. I think only celebs benefit from this. This could be a ripe ground for liberals to vilify men by suggesting women don't disclose rape because men will get them in jail. From this simple standpoint the gynocentric order will vehemently be against this. They don't want a single girl to break a sweat, but they will definetely hold you in a cell for months awaiting trial until your innocence is proved. If you don't get jailed for rape, you are jailed for being accused of rape. And the idea of paying bail is ludicrous. It's a right of citizens to have speedy trials. I could swear the justice system counts on this to happen to milk men out of their money even more.

Overall, in my opinion, this is not a battle worth fighting. It's hard to win and the benefit is very marginal, and it might also hurt men in fact. There's other things that advance our cause much more. I would say divorce laws and support networks for men is at the top of this. I always viewed paternity assurance and emphasizing the role of fathers and men in shaping next generation as paramount for men's rights. But of course there's nothing more mgtow and MRAist that taking care of your yourself.

What do you think guys? am I missing something?

Aside from the rest of your post, the opening line seems ambiguous at best and gynocentric at worse, and in any event, untrue.

Can you elaborate?

Not a nice subject, but one that should be addressed.

Look after #1 First... Protect yourself. Don't be there.

"Sex Offender" status hurts for life.... Regrets count for her, regrets count against you as a man.

History of rape in some cultures was classified as theft against the man, (father or husband). Today we think of the victim being the girl or woman....

It is common for girls/women to have rape fantasies, (by top 10% SMV males) in romance novels etc... Romance novels are "Girl Porn".

Approaches, interest or even looks by a < 80% SMV man can be classed as grounds for rape.

Play with fire and you will burn...

Originally Posted by MoroccanMgtow

What do you think guys? am I missing something?

I think living far away gives you a strange idea of how the American justice system works. Sure, our government likes to go on and on about how fair and impartial they are. But the reality is they don't care about your innocence or guilt once they get you in the courtroom. There, we are all equally guilty. At the end of the day your just more grist for their mill. Fairness and equality left the building long ago, if it ever was there.

As for divorce law fairness, it's more of the same. Women and their allies outnumber us by such a wide margin we will never get anything but the scorn and abuse the system hands out now.

Originally Posted by mgtower

Aside from the rest of your post, the opening line seems ambiguous at best and gynocentric at worse, and in any event, untrue.

Can you elaborate?

I'm just saying it would be impossible to criminilize false rape allegations. Just live with it and never hope it will be a reality. The basic argument is that it's impossible to make false rape allegation a crime because failure of the plaintiff to produce evidence to the contrary will be considered proof positive that s/he lied and will result in doing jail time. This disproportionately affects women because they make up ~90% of reported rapes. That's why it will never happen.

From a legal standpoint, what do you suggest we do when the plaintiff is accusing someone of rape but lacks evidence?

Originally Posted by frog

Sure, our government likes to go on and on about how fair and impartial they are. But the reality is they don't care about your innocence or guilt once they get you in the courtroom.

Very true. People gotta know that justice system and courts are an entreprise. They gotta be making money for the puppet masters to justify their existence otherwise they would have found a reason to dismantle them.

Originally Posted by frog

Women and their allies outnumber us by such a wide margin

Very true, women were voting more than men since 1980 for America. It's a country led by women. And since they make 80% of consumer decision the puppet masters are vested in protecting and empowering those obedient sheeple. It only means bigger pockets for them.

Originally Posted by MoroccanMgtow

I'm just saying it would be impossible to criminilize false rape allegations. Just live with it and never hope it will be a reality. The basic argument is that it's impossible to make false rape allegation a crime because failure of the plaintiff to produce evidence to the contrary will be considered proof positive that s/he lied and will result in doing jail time. This disproportionately affects women because they make up ~90% of reported rapes. That's why it will never happen.

From a legal standpoint, what do you suggest we do when the plaintiff is accusing someone of rape but lacks evidence?

I have no legal standpoint, I've been criminalized by outstanding molestations of law, order, and so-called equity.

Therefore I stand as a target in a judicial shooting gallery and like to keep my head low! I say let it burn rather than it burn me!

The best day in court is the one you're not having! Who gives a fuck about the injustice, it's an unstoppable machine, it's best to be out of its way!

I hate any kind of contact with any kind of authority, directly or indirectly, and permanently!

Not saying I hate cops as much as lawyers, I know a few of each personally, what I'm saying is I never want to know either in their official capacity, I don't like lectures, I don't like being excoriated, I don't like being in jeopardy, and really hate interrogatory questions!

I know my rights on that level and I don't like them being tested, I like obscurity, subterfuge, benevolence, and 100% AVOIDANCE!

Originally Posted by MoroccanMgtow

What do you think guys? am I missing something?

Yes. But don't worry. Most of us who talks about this topic are missing some points as well. :-D

Indeed, it is important to make false accusations illegal, but some Mgtows think that this is not the most important (and even strategic) point. Especially when you think about how relationships work in the past and how it could work in the future.

An example that I have read is about the "counter attack" that a man could make if he was accused of rape, instead of just trying to deny, as all men do nowadays. And it makes much more difference when you think in a different angle. Think about this simple case, in a fictional medieval scenario:

Her: He raped me!
Him: Yes! I raped her, because she is a witch whore. I have proofs. And we all know that this kind of witch deserve to be raped, and then be burned at the stake.

In this kind of scenario, when you can react and even justify a false accusation of rape using a false accusation of witchcraft, you can be sure that a woman would think twice before open her beak to accuse someone of something.

Of course, living in the Middle Ages would not be the best thing for a Mgtow as well, but that is just a simple example to make it clearer that sometimes the scenario is as much important as the accusations.

But in my opinion, a better scenario would be if we also support the creation of technologies that could replace women. Not only because most women could even be deleted, but also because most men would not even waste his time searching for women to rape them.

The important point for most men, just as for Mgtows, should be the ability to live alone without women. This could solve many of such "relationship problems". And I think that technologies could be useful for this as well.

Originally Posted by mgtower

The best day in court is the one you're not having! Who gives a fuck about the injustice, it's an unstoppable machine, it's best to be out of its way!

Very wise words!!!!

Innocent until proven guilty... Like hell it is!!! Once charged you have to prove your innocence that is why you are part of the defense. Her lies carry more weight than your truth...

I was reading the British news yesterday, I like to keep in touch with what's happening back home.
A man found out that his wife had been having an affair and so refused to contribute any work to the home. The wife then went forward to make 6 false rape allegations and after their separation went on to stalk and harass him, bombarding him with thousands of text messages.
She was taken to court for the above. The result?
A suspended sentence!
There's equality for you, his life destroyed and she gets to walk out of court.

Everyone is looking at this like a black and white issue but there should be a middle ground to it.

1st scenario - man is accused and found guilty = man is punnished
2nd scenario - man is accused and woman is found to be lying = woman is punnished
3rd scenarion - man is accused and there is not enough evidence to find him or her guilty = both walk free

Originally Posted by Witch Doctor

Everyone is looking at this like a black and white issue but there should be a middle ground to it.

1st scenario - man is accused (didn't do it) and found guilty = man is punnished
2nd scenario - man is accused and woman is found to be lying = woman (isn't) punnished
3rd scenarion - man is accused and there is not enough evidence to find him or her guilty = both walk free (except the man after months/years of trial, tens of thousands of dollars, and his reputation ruined, while the woman walks away carefree without a worry in the world)

^^^Fixed^^^

Originally Posted by Latinus

Her: He raped me!
Him: Yes! I raped her, because she is a witch whore. I have proofs. And we all know that this kind of witch deserve to be raped, and then be burned at the stake.

I think Latinus is onto something but not in the way of false counter-accusations.
Law is all but a piece of paper.
It works as long as the consequences are worse than obeying.

Originally Posted by Witch Doctor

1st scenario - man is accused and found guilty = man is punnished
2nd scenario - man is accused and woman is found to be lying = woman is punnished
3rd scenarion - man is accused and there is not enough evidence to find him or her guilty = both walk free

1st scenario is true.

Second is actually not true. False rape allegations are not punishable by law. You may charge her for wasting police time otherwise nothing happens to her. It's worth noting that wasting police time gets you 1-6 months jail sentence which is like the amount you will stay there if you were falsely accused of rape. She can pay a fine too instead of doing jail time. So, they have little fear of falsely accusing someone of rape.

3rd scenario is the scary one. You will lose your job and be held in cell for months awaiting your trial and pay thousands of $ for a lawyers for nothing to happen in the end. She just accused you falsely or unfalsely and in the end you are the only one losing an arm and a leg. She has her life and everything else together.

Feminists: It's next to impossible to get falsely convicted of rape.

Reality:

https://www.bernardbrody.com/blog/ge...icted-of-rape/


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/07/n...ttan-rape.html


https://www.kxly.com/innocence-proje...icted-of-rape/


https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/28/us/ro...rnd/index.html


https://people.com/crime/man-wrongfu...years-in-jail/


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richar...rated_convict)


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ape-claim.html


https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news...pe-conviction/


https://www.npr.org/2021/11/22/10581...our-exonerated


https://innocenceproject.org/cases/steven-avery/


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...on/ar-AA11aSqi


https://youtu.be/O5yrFOX5vh0


https://www.revolt.tv/article/2022-0...icted-of-rape/


https://www.katc.com/news/covering-l...r-36-years-ago

Originally Posted by mgtower

1st scenario - man is accused (didn't do it) and found guilty = man is punnished

This should be pounded into every boy's brain in high/secondary school... Once the zits start appearing put the fear of God into him....

Originally Posted by MoroccanMgtow

1st scenario is true.

Second is actually not true. False rape allegations are not punishable by law. You may charge her for wasting police time otherwise nothing happens to her. It's worth noting that wasting police time gets you 1-6 months jail sentence which is like the amount you will stay there if you were falsely accused of rape. She can pay a fine too instead of doing jail time. So, they have little fear of falsely accusing someone of rape.

3rd scenario is the scary one. You will lose your job and be held in cell for months awaiting your trial and pay thousands of $ for a lawyers for nothing to happen in the end. She just accused you falsely or unfalsely and in the end you are the only one losing an arm and a leg. She has her life and everything else together.

I was just describing what it should be like. The problem is that in 2nd scenario the woman is not punnished propperly and in the third scenario the man is punnished even if there is sufficient evidence to prove him innocent. This should be adressed by the legal system. I know it won't but it should be...

Making all accusations to either lead to the man or a woman being guilty is a bad idea. Some can not be proven neither true nor false.

Gentlemen, plenty have said it, here's my proof. This happened in my neck of the woods, so to speak, and illustrates how just the accusation of sexual misconduct (against a man) will not only ruin the man's life, it will cause law enforcement to lose all impartiality.

law.justia.com/cases/south-dakota/supreme-court/2005/1462.html

In this case, the accused man was arrested, spent 86 days in jail (yeah, constitutional right to a speedy trial) was assaulted by another inmate and lost his job. He was never convicted, since the very weak claims finally fell apart. However, it screwed his life up something terrible. While he was able to sue the girls (or, more to the point, their families), he was unable to sue the law enforcement department, nor its representatives. Here are the two big red flags that the police should have taken into account.

#1. Both girls claimed that two men took them to an unused location on a VA facility (this is right across a highway from the high school they were attending). However, one girl claimed that they were raped in the car, while the other claimed that the men took them into an abandoned building.

#2. Both girls claimed that the two men were present the entire time. However, when one of the men proved to have an airtight alibi (at an eye-doctor's office, on camera, during the alleged assault), the one without the alibi was arrested.

I'm going to cut the kids a little slack: If they had gotten minor details wrong, like the exact time and what the men were wearing, I would give them a pass. However, when one said it took place in the car while another claimed that they were taken out of the car and into an abandoned building, it doesn't add up. Likewise with law enforcement, when the witnesses insist that both men were present the entire time, but one of them has an airtight alibi, it's time to pick apart the story.

Gentlemen, I don't care if there's no conviction; simply the accusation has horrific consequences and for this reason, those who make those accusations must be punished with equivalent severity.

This is bad enough with rape, which is a felony and thus subject to "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" and "trial by your peers". Civil suits can be worse. Your constitutional right to confront your accuser or examine the evidence presented against you doesn't exist. There's no such thing as burden of proof or innocent until proven guilty. Yet, much like rape, the mere accusation can destroy you.

False accusations happen, and I'm willing to bet that they happen a lot more often than the "victims' rights" proponents would lead us to believe.

So being a good BP'ed man you do the right thing....
You date her.
You wine and dine her.
You show her everything you have to offer her.
You buy her a big diamond ring.
You marry her.
You buy her a big house with a white picket fence.
You support her as she has your child.
......
She falls in love with the Bad Boy living down the block and drops this shit on you...

Marital rape - Wikipedia

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