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    Re: It's horrifying how some young Western men are so alienated by woke culture that they even admire the Taliban

    What do the originators of socialism, marxism, nazism, anti-semites, feminism all have in common?

    1) tendency towards interpersonal victimhood (I won't post a link. For those who like to make informed decisions and who are intellectually curious, they can find information by using their favorite internet search engine to search for "Tendency for Interpersonal Victimhood: The new personality construct that see's oneself as the victim);

    2) revenge (they seek to strike back and get revenge against the perceived oppressor over some imagined historic injustice and oppression);

    3) an army of useful idiots.

    I saw a comment a while back from a Phd psychology student that said nazis and feminists (the instigators, not the useful idiots) were cut from the same sociopath cloth. That made me curious so I went looking and from what I found, I'd have to say I agree and the pattern is something along the lines outlined above.

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    Re: It's horrifying how some young Western men are so alienated by woke culture that they even admire the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by patriarch View Post
    If we want things to change for the better we have to organize ourselves, be productive and fight back. We have to be selfless. The bare minimum you could do is wake up 1000+ feminist men every month or few months using online forums or in real life. The best way to do this IMHO is to not respond to their ad hominem attacks, and respond as factually as you can.

    If we don't do anything and let the collapse come, one of two things will happen:
    1. Chaos, uncertainty etc.
    2. A patriarchal, foreign culture takes over (it's going to be the Muslims since they're the only ones bold enough to be patriarchal even in the face of the feminazi United Nations)

    So please do at least something to help prevent these eventualities!
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    Cypher's betrayal from the Matrix is perfect example of why one must be careful about who they choose to 'free' .

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    Re: It's horrifying how some young Western men are so alienated by woke culture that they even admire the Taliban

    I was going to cite the Tucker show where he talked about this, but you did it before me. I wonder how many Americans know or realized just how much we were imposing feminism and gender quota-ism on the Afghans.

    As much as I revile the Taliban for hosting Osama and Al Queda, one cannot help but feel a bit of sympathy for the Afghans who are ejecting the woke culture from their nation. Too bad we can't do the same here.

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    Re: It's horrifying how some young Western men are so alienated by woke culture that they even admire the Taliban

    Found this gem of a lyric:

    fat landwhales reject me on dating sites,
    Swipe left and ban me for my entire life,
    Gimme a flight! GIMME A FLIGHT
    To Afghanistan!
    So manz can Shabbat with the Taliban

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    Re: It's horrifying how some young Western men are so alienated by woke culture that they even admire the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by patriarch View Post
    lol it would be funny if the Taliban actually adopted our patriarchy started publicly burning women at the stake, selling their wives in markets, publicly hanging women, parading them on donkeys, stopped giving females any inheritance at all etc.

    European patriarchies are OBJECTIVELY far superior to Islamic patriarchy so idk why people are admiring a foreign culture
    You're living a life of delusion. Unless you have a time machine you're not telling us about, then in the modern day "European patriarchies" have been smashed by the global elite, with all Western nations submitting to feminism. The European men waved the white flag. They lost that fight. Any talk otherwise, or that things will change, is hot air, meaningless unless we see real, tangible progress. To the contrary, all the momentum has been with Feminism - from MeToo to Family Courts.

    In contrast, Islamic countries have stayed true to its teachings on gender and lived it, not just talked it.

    I'm not Muslim, but I do realize we're programmed to hate them in this country because of who's in charge. We have killed FAR more Muslims in the last 20 years than Muslims have killed Americans; our death count is over 1 Million when you consider the deaths we've caused by the instability we produced. Who are the real savages?

    Whether it's Russia, China, Islam -- whether you like them or not according to one's political programming- they are the vanguard against one of the elite's primary methods to control the modern man. The average "European man" doesn't have the balls to say exactly what the Bible tells us or that women are not equal to man. The fight is now for others. We have a stake in their prevailing- at least in the ideological conflict. The elite prey on "European" democracies because mob-rule is easily subverted.

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    Re: It's horrifying how some young Western men are so alienated by woke culture that they even admire the Taliban

    I don't think he is sympathizing with the muslims - he recognizes the the Western elite are pushing feminism on men and the muslims are fighting back, along with the Russians and Chinese. Which side is your bread buttered on - if you want to have a family and not have your wife wear the pants and order you around under threat of divorce, you are better off in Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia than the USA. Like I told one Episcopal priest during a men's luncheon - in the USA, a wife can cheat on you and put you through a no-fault divorce and get alimony and the house and the kids and live with her boyfriend. In Saudi Arabia, this same behaviour earns the wife and her boytoy a sword to the neck and the husband keeps his house and kids. Which option do sane men prefer? Feminist USA legal system or muslim Sharia law - only muslims offer a saner more just result. I am not muslim but I would prefer Sharia law to the no-fault aka men's fault US laws.
    Quote Originally Posted by patriarch View Post
    I didn't mean things like wife-selling, stake burnings etc. are still happening or legal lol. And why are you sympathizing with the Muslims? You realize they want to take over just like Jews are gladly usurious... right???

    Would you prefer to remove the current (non-Jewish) elites and bring in a new elite class of Muslims, Russians or Chinese?

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    Re: It's horrifying how some young Western men are so alienated by woke culture that they even admire the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by patriarch View Post
    You realize that things have changed since the early 2010s right? Back in the day it was funny to kick men in the nuts.............
    Actually, this is still not only "ok", it's played as humor in recent major media.

    See: Avengers Endgame, where Starlord gets kicked in the nuts for no reason.

    See: Whatever the recent movie by Ryan Reynolds is, same thing.

    Men getting kicked in the nuts is *still* accepted as humor in major media.

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    Re: It's horrifying how some young Western men are so alienated by woke culture that they even admire the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by Faramir View Post
    Actually, this is still not only "ok", it's played as humor in recent major media.

    See: Avengers Endgame, where Starlord gets kicked in the nuts for no reason.

    See: Whatever the recent movie by Ryan Reynolds is, same thing.

    Men getting kicked in the nuts is *still* accepted as humor in major media.
    I wanna kick Joe in the nuts, but he doesn't have any...
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    Re: It's horrifying how some young Western men are so alienated by woke culture that they even admire the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    I wanna kick Joe in the nuts, but he doesn't have any...
    "Kick Joe in the inhuman demonic cloacal cavity" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

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    Re: It's horrifying how some young Western men are so alienated by woke culture that they even admire the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by Faramir View Post
    I was going to cite the Tucker show where he talked about this, but you did it before me. I wonder how many Americans know or realized just how much we were imposing feminism and gender quota-ism on the Afghans.

    As much as I revile the Taliban for hosting Osama and Al Queda, one cannot help but feel a bit of sympathy for the Afghans who are ejecting the woke culture from their nation. Too bad we can't do the same here.
    ok so why are so Afghans risking death to leave?

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    Re: It's horrifying how some young Western men are so alienated by woke culture that they even admire the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by suspiciouscrow View Post
    I respect the devotion but I personally don't see things turning around. I used to be an MRA and after I gave that up (after having my optimism thoroughly beaten out of me) I considered various other tactics. However I just don't see any realistic solution for society as a whole. We're too far down the spiral. I am powerless to affect this. So I will focus only on what I might be able to achieve, a better life for me and those I care about.

    Whilst some may consider this selfish, I do not owe society.

    For those of you who are trying to improve things on a wider scale, best of luck.[/INDENT]
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    I couldn't agree more suspicious crow. This is the realization that I have faced as well.

    If I could realistically do something that would have a meaningful impact and not destroy my life, I would. There is nothing that can be done at this time in regards to changing the cultural zeitgeist. When things get bad enough, when enough men have felt enough pain, then things will change.

    Focus on yourself and your own as that is something constructive that you can do. Cultivate a useful skill such as gardening or focus on hobbies that build your body. There are things you can do in your own personal life but as far as changing the current political landscape...forget it.
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    Re: It's horrifying how some young Western men are so alienated by woke culture that they even admire the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol View Post
    I couldn't agree more suspicious crow. This is the realization that I have faced as well.

    If I could realistically do something that would have a meaningful impact and not destroy my life, I would. There is nothing that can be done at this time in regards to changing the cultural zeitgeist. When things get bad enough, when enough men have felt enough pain, then things will change.

    Focus on yourself and your own as that is something constructive that you can do. Cultivate a useful skill such as gardening or focus on hobbies that build your body. There are things you can do in your own personal life but as far as changing the current political landscape...forget it.
    There are things we can do, but guys in the MRA and MGTOW love to give up. They donít even try.

    Petition to get items (whatever they are officially called on the ballot) and keep being persistent.

    I have mad respect for the LGBTQ, because they were persistent and never gave up. Straight Men act like pussies when it comes to politics. They always give up. Man up. I hate those two words. We do need to man up and get involved in politics. We need to make our voices heard in mainstream media. If that means having protest, then do it.
    I get sick and tired of MGTOW complaining but never showing any action.

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    Re: It's horrifying how some young Western men are so alienated by woke culture that they even admire the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by Insurgency View Post
    There are things we can do, but guys in the MRA and MGTOW love to give up. They don’t even try.

    Petition to get items (whatever they are officially called on the ballot) and keep being persistent.

    I have mad respect for the LGBTQ, because they were persistent and never gave up. Straight Men act like pussies when it comes to politics. They always give up. Man up. I hate those two words. We do need to man up and get involved in politics. We need to make our voices heard in mainstream media. If that means having protest, then do it.
    I get sick and tired of MGTOW complaining but never showing any action.


    Need to take those blue pills somewhere else, this is a hardcore red-pill site that operates beyond your current cognitive abilities.

    Red and blue makes purple.

    Purple muddies up our waters.

    You don't even see our death blow that literally takes the earth out from under their feet, you're bridging a short circuit that's better cut off.

    If it offends thee, don't negotiate for compromise, cut it off and sever it from thee.

    Feminists can see and perceive our threat better than you can. Why the MGTOW culture, our cultural revolution, undermines them and everything they do completely. No stone left unturned, utter devastation. They're fed the poison they created, no drop unconsumed.

    Oh, and one other thing, we don't take prisoners.

    You belong to MRA. MGTOW swim in deeper waters.
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    Re: It's horrifying how some young Western men are so alienated by woke culture that they even admire the Taliban

    @ Insurgency...I think you maybe getting MGTOW confused with the MRA. The MRA movement has tried everything that you said needs to happen and they are an abysmal failure. MGTOW is not about trying to reform the system. Unfortunately, it can't be reformed. "Going Your Own Way" is about creating your own path and not trying to change the system. I hope this clears up some confusion.
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    Re: It's horrifying how some young Western men are so alienated by woke culture that they even admire the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol View Post
    @ Insurgency...I think you maybe getting MGTOW confused with the MRA. The MRA movement has tried everything that you said needs to happen and they are an abysmal failure. MGTOW is not about trying to reform the system. Unfortunately, it can't be reformed. "Going Your Own Way" is about creating your own path and not trying to change the system. I hope this clears up some confusion.
    The less concern and focus one places on this bastard brat toxic society the more one focuses on self and life improvements, custom tailored for a perfect fit, we don't roll any bodies and check for a pulse, we let them lay where they stay as we go on living our dreams. War is just that way, we're the survivors of cultural annihilation, a battleground is all we've ever known, we don't even smell the rotting meat, we're acclimated to it.
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    Re: It's horrifying how some young Western men are so alienated by woke culture that they even admire the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by Insurgency View Post
    There are things we can do, but guys in the MRA and MGTOW love to give up. They donít even try. ...
    We do need to man up and get involved in politics. We need to make our voices heard in mainstream media. If that means having protest, then do it. I get sick and tired of MGTOW complaining but never showing any action.
    Respectfully, this may be confusing MRA with MGTOW.

    MGTOW is a proto-philosophy which essentially boils down to: 'living my own life without committing to women', whilst Men's Rights is an advocacy for noble causes pertaining to men's issues.

    Yes, the two share some overlap in interests and there are a significant number of members who are both MGTOW and MRA, however the two are rather distinct - Advocacy is realm of Men's Rights, and even then, there are many armchair MRAs who merely sit behind screens and argue with feminist trolls and have never done any real advocacy, written letters to elected representatives, nor bothered to sign petitions.

    Nothing in MGTOW urges men to attempt political action; that is left up to the individual MGTOW as part of what the individual finds fulfilling in life.

    Some MGTOWs may not care to change the political system and are indifferent; some may believe that change is impossible; others may believe that the system can be changed if they just garner enough support; and yet others may exist in the grey zone in-between.

    It's up to the individual MGTOW's own preference and how they determine their own self-fulfilment and happiness.

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    Re: It's horrifying how some young Western men are so alienated by woke culture that they even admire the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by johnsmith79 View Post
    Respectfully, this may be confusing MRA with MGTOW.

    MGTOW is a proto-philosophy which essentially boils down to: 'living my own life without committing to women', whilst Men's Rights is an advocacy for noble causes pertaining to men's issues.

    Yes, the two share some overlap in interests and there are a significant number of members who are both MGTOW and MRA, however the two are rather distinct - Advocacy is realm of Men's Rights, and even then, there are many armchair MRAs who merely sit behind screens and argue with feminist trolls and have never done any real advocacy, written letters to elected representatives, nor bothered to sign petitions.

    Nothing in MGTOW urges men to attempt political action; that is left up to the individual MGTOW as part of what the individual finds fulfilling in life.

    Some MGTOWs may not care to change the political system and are indifferent; some may believe that change is impossible; others may believe that the system can be changed if they just garner enough support; and yet others may exist in the grey zone in-between.

    It's up to the individual MGTOW's own preference and how they determine their own self-fulfilment and happiness.

    Ok. I can accept that. The manosphere and MGTOW are different.

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    Re: It's horrifying how some young Western men are so alienated by woke culture that they even admire the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by Insurgency View Post
    Ok. I can accept that. The manosphere and MGTOW are different.
    A legend of MGTOW.

    Origionally and back in the early, As far as I understand (and stand to be corrected) the term MGTOW was coined in the backwoods of Oregon around a campfire just shooting the shit an comparing notes and guess what?....the notes compared, but also there was a taboo regarding those notes. These notes are not things that should be spoken but only in jest, in satire and 'toons, a hint or allusion to the true state of man. Never to be openly quantified or qualified but kept dark like a nagging suspicion.

    As if the 'fates' aligned in its favour...Internet tech improvements, a truly global reach but a reach of what?

    A reach of nothing but everything.

    And so it begins.

    The term MGTOW was origionally inspired to be unpronouncable so it never trips off the tongue and never gets popularised or mainstream and therefore defended from the buzzword & soundbite loving MSM. It has since been pronounced as Migtoaw which is still clumsy enough to negate it as an MSM term.

    The P.U.A blogs helped enormously, they decoded and hacked the system somewhat but only to sell access to poon so, what if the poon was not considered as sacred as PUA wants it to be?

    MGTOW were out to destroy their goddess via reason and debate but not with intention since we all want the goddess to be real somehow.

    Enter the MRA, if's, but's and maybe's. NAWALT/AWALT/AWCBLT etc. Fair-play who knows?...its Russian Roulette.

    Enter the Incel crying like a bitch to make the world something it isn't, never was and never will be.

    Enter TRP and all the other 'pills' doing Gods work in memes, on message boards, comment sections and niggling its way into the MSM, influencing and maybe even (Pepe & Trump) winning elections.

    But MGTOW can only ever be MGTOW and the clue is in the 'O'....own, own it. Politics, economy, social interaction just own it improve it, improve yourself for yourself and then maybe other the stuff, but that 'other stuff' is only going to be your own and never MGTOW stuff since we literally are an entire worlds worth of differnet races, cultures, mindsets, statures, desires, hungers and fuck knows what and yes united, but not in a way that can be manipulated, politicised or lead or easily quantified and qualified by the PTB or MSN and thats a strength....they can never pwn MGTOW.

    The zeitgiest of public opinion has changed somwhat of late with people biting back against the rhetoric and insidious manipulations from the PTB (yay the Taliban, ChiComs and anything else that defeats GloboHomo) and so maybe TRP endeavours are bearing some fruits but I'd posit that the roots of that 'tree' are the early MGTOW and thus was a quiet and peaceful revolution begun by men but simply....going their own way?
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    Re: It's horrifying how some young Western men are so alienated by woke culture that they even admire the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by patriarch View Post
    We live in the real world full of real people, where things can change... and things have always changed!!
    Yea change, like when an atomic core melts down and escapes containment, there's lots of changes, permanent changes that effect lots of people for a long long time.

    The winning strategy? Be as far away as possible from adverse change and the resulting unintended consequences. Let someone else's skin burn and their hair fall out!
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    Re: It's horrifying how some young Western men are so alienated by woke culture that they even admire the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by AdTheBad View Post
    A legend of MGTOW.

    Origionally and back in the early, As far as I understand (and stand to be corrected) the term MGTOW was coined in the backwoods of Oregon around a campfire just shooting the shit an comparing notes and guess what?....the notes compared, but also there was a taboo regarding those notes. These notes are not things that should be spoken but only in jest, in satire and 'toons, a hint or allusion to the true state of man. Never to be openly quantified or qualified but kept dark like a nagging suspicion.

    As if the 'fates' aligned in its favour...Internet tech improvements, a truly global reach but a reach of what?

    A reach of nothing but everything.

    And so it begins.

    The term MGTOW was origionally inspired to be unpronouncable so it never trips off the tongue and never gets popularised or mainstream and therefore defended from the buzzword & soundbite loving MSM. It has since been pronounced as Migtoaw which is still clumsy enough to negate it as an MSM term.

    The P.U.A blogs helped enormously, they decoded and hacked the system somewhat but only to sell access to poon so, what if the poon was not considered as sacred as PUA wants it to be?

    MGTOW were out to destroy their goddess via reason and debate but not with intention since we all want the goddess to be real somehow.

    Enter the MRA, if's, but's and maybe's. NAWALT/AWALT/AWCBLT etc. Fair-play who knows?...its Russian Roulette.

    Enter the Incel crying like a bitch to make the world something it isn't, never was and never will be.

    Enter TRP and all the other 'pills' doing Gods work in memes, on message boards, comment sections and niggling its way into the MSM, influencing and maybe even (Pepe & Trump) winning elections.

    But MGTOW can only ever be MGTOW and the clue is in the 'O'....own, own it. Politics, economy, social interaction just own it improve it, improve yourself for yourself and then maybe other the stuff, but that 'other stuff' is only going to be your own and never MGTOW stuff since we literally are an entire worlds worth of differnet races, cultures, mindsets, statures, desires, hungers and fuck knows what and yes united, but not in a way that can be manipulated, politicised or lead or easily quantified and qualified by the PTB or MSN and thats a strength....they can never pwn MGTOW.

    The zeitgiest of public opinion has changed somwhat of late with people biting back against the rhetoric and insidious manipulations from the PTB (yay the Taliban, ChiComs and anything else that defeats GloboHomo) and so maybe TRP endeavours are bearing some fruits but I'd posit that the roots of that 'tree' are the early MGTOW and thus was a quiet and peaceful revolution begun by men but simply....going their own way?
    MGTOW is affiliated with the Alt Right. It shouldnít be censored. You guys should be allowed to have speak your minds and do as you please just as long as you guys arenít violating the civil rights of others. I feel the same way about neo feminists, neo Nazis, the KKK, Black Nationalist, and etc.

    I donít agree with MGTOW and it makes zero sense. Incels make more sense. Theyíre upset, because women find them unattractive. I use to be an incel. I know the feeling. I fixed myself and now canít get women to stop talking me. The women are actually normal, not feminists, and very polite. It turns me off, because two years ago, all
    women gave dirty looks.

    It seems like you guys just want to be left alone and donít want to bothered with women. None of you guys have the deformities I had. None of you are probably disfigured or have mental
    handicaps.

    You guys make no sense, but itís ok.

    However I seriously doubt you guys should
    be judging incels. None of you know what it is like to be an incel. Prove me wrong.


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