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    ITíS 460 AD IN ROME: THIS (Country) WONíT BE FIXED

    "Another American election cycle is upon us, and large numbers of people are lining up to pour their time and money into the sewer of politics, to be lost forever.This system will not be fixed. Period. This is Rome in 460 AD. The rulers, as in Rome, are liars, mad, or drunk (these days, drugged)Ö or all three.
    The ďfall of Rome,Ē of course, was far more complex than we learned in school, but through all the many years of its decline, Rome was full of well-meaning people trying to reform and save it. And by the way, among the people who tried the hardest to keep the Roman game going were the Goths. They tried hard to keep Rome operationalÖ and they failed too.
    Let me be clear on this: Once ruling hierarchies get beyond a certain point, they cannot be reformed. And I am sure that the modern West is beyond that point . . . "

    http://www.freemansperspective.com/wont-be-fixed/

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    Re: ITíS 460 AD IN ROME: THIS (Country) WONíT BE FIXED

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    you wish to know whether that day is coming? Watch money. Money is the barometer
    of a society's virtue. When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by
    compulsion — when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain
    permission from men who produce nothing — when you see that money is flowing to
    those who deal, not in goods, but in favors — when you see that men get richer
    by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them,
    but protect them against you — when you see corruption being rewarded and
    honesty becoming a self-sacrifice — you may know that your society is doomed.Ayn Rand
    From the article and a salient contribution in my opinion.

    Structural deficits, burgeoning debt and an entire academic edifice constructed to justify the debasement of money (Keynesianism), I would say that we are undoubtedly in decline.

    The only tangible proof that we may avoid this, is the progression of technology. Every other indicator I can see points to decline. I expect it to be slow and halting however.
    I work in financial planning. I am interested in metal (all kinds), miniature painting and PC gaming. I live in Scotland.

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    Re: ITíS 460 AD IN ROME: THIS (Country) WONíT BE FIXED

    Try this one: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/08/...-fall-of-rome/
    Quote Originally Posted by sam luis obispo View Post
    Link still not working.

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    Re: ITíS 460 AD IN ROME: THIS (Country) WONíT BE FIXED

    Quote Originally Posted by CPRA View Post
    Thank you.

    So, what do we do? How do we protect ourselves? What should we be doing? What should we be NOT doing? Where there Romans who foresaw that the barbarians were going to sack Rome and who cashed out and bugged out? If they did, where did they go? If this country is going to turn into a third world banana republic, is there anyplace I flee to that is not going to turn into Mad Max movie?

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    Where there Romans who foresaw that the barbarians were going to sack Rome and who cashed out and bugged out? If they did, where did they go?
    The fall of Rome had little to do with being sacked by barbarians. More than 50 years before the fall of Ravenna her commander in chief was a Vandal, and they had entire tribes of Goths living within the empire, making steps towards integration.

    Rome was sacked by the Gauls long before she became great, and Hannibal kicked her all over the place.

    Rome died because it caught a disease and withered from within. High taxes, corruption, bureaucracy, debt, inflation, poor demographics, excessive immigration and an unwillingness of citizens to defend the empire (more than a third of the army was barbarian, and more than half of the cavalry).

    The East lasted a further 1000 years because they dealt with these issues a lot better. If anything, their enemies were even more powerful.
    I work in financial planning. I am interested in metal (all kinds), miniature painting and PC gaming. I live in Scotland.

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    Re: ITíS 460 AD IN ROME: THIS (Country) WONíT BE FIXED

    So, do we believe that the collapse will happen in our lifetime? And if we do, what do we do about it?

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    The only thing you can really do is buy the equipment you need to survive in the wilderness, disappear, and hope nobody ever finds you.
    ďWoman is a violent and uncontrolled animal, and it is useless to let go the reins and then expect her not to kick over the traces. You must keep her on a tight rein . . . Women want total freedom or rather Ė to call things by their names Ė total licence. If you allow them to achieve complete equality with men, do you think they will be easier to live with? Not at all. Once they have achieved equality, they will be your masters . . .Ē Ė Cato the Elder

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    Re: ITíS 460 AD IN ROME: THIS (Country) WONíT BE FIXED

    I believe that there must have been many Romans who anticipated the decline and fall. Remember that the fall took hundreds of years. I think a great number of these Romans picked a new horse. They moved to the fringes of the empire and allied themselves to a strong barbarian as an advisor or as the one handling the money and records.

    What does this mean for us today? GTFO. I have said it many times; the west is sick and the disease is terminal. Don't try to save it; it doesn't want to be saved. Try to be somewhere else as soon as you can and live your life in a meaningful way, where it is still possible to do so and while it is still possible to do so. The disease is spreading rapidly. This advice has an expiration date, but I don't know what it is.

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    Re: ITíS 460 AD IN ROME: THIS (Country) WONíT BE FIXED

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikediver View Post
    Try to be somewhere else as soon as you can and live your life in a meaningful way, where it is still possible to do so and while it is still possible to do so.
    Where would you recommend?


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