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    Is there any SAFE way to have kids in North America?

    Say theoretically that a man wants to have children/family and he lives in US. Is there a way for him that is safe to have kids without getting screwed by divorce/gov at all?

    I've heard about pre-nups and have done some research on them but who is to say that the judge won't be a complete asshole and just throw that in the trash? Can you just have kids without being legally bound or anything? Is it better to move to a European country where the laws might be more favorable to the guy?
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    Re: Is there any SAFE way to have kids in North America?

    Quote Originally Posted by RenaiZance View Post
    Say theoretically that a man WANTS to have children/family and he lives in either US or Canada is there a way for him that is safe to have kids WITHOUT getting screwed by divorce/gov at all?

    I've heard about pre-nups and have done some research on them but who is to say that the judge won't be a complete asshole and just throw that in the trash? Can you just have kids without being legally bound or anything? Is it better to move to a European country where the laws might be more favorable to the guy?
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    NO!

    Simple as.

    Father children and you WILL be held accountable by the the law in the West and the Mother will have more rights than you.

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    Re: Is there any SAFE way to have kids in North America?

    Nope. Same here in Australia. In fact, even without the threat of divorce rape etc. The world itself has just become a very unfriendly hostile place. I would not want to bring a child into it even without MGTOW related concerns.

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    Re: Is there any SAFE way to have kids in North America?

    More and more there are times where I wish we could just band together and start our own country where we can set favorable rules once again to treat people like they deserve.

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    Re: Is there any SAFE way to have kids in North America?

    Quote Originally Posted by RenaiZance View Post
    I've heard about pre-nups and have done some research on them but who is to say that the judge won't be a complete asshole and just throw that in the trash?
    Yes, judges have done just that. Often, I'm told. I've read that lawyers will say that you have to video-record her signing the prenup so that later she can't get it thrown out by claiming she signed it under duress. But, even then, they did not claim a guarantee that a pre-nup will hold up.
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    Re: Is there any SAFE way to have kids in North America?

    YES, you can have your own kids. Hire a surrogate and donor eggs from a different surrogate. No child support, no alimony etc and no disputes over who gets the kid. That said, I believe the cheap surrogate countries like India and Mexico have tightened the rules but Ukraine and Russia I've heard are still open for biz.


    Quote Originally Posted by RenaiZance View Post
    Say theoretically that a man WANTS to have children/family and he lives in either US or Canada is there a way for him that is safe to have kids WITHOUT getting screwed by divorce/gov at all?

    I've heard about pre-nups and have done some research on them but who is to say that the judge won't be a complete asshole and just throw that in the trash? Can you just have kids without being legally bound or anything? Is it better to move to a European country where the laws might be more favorable to the guy?

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    Re: Is there any SAFE way to have kids in North America?

    Honestly, are you sure you REALLY want to bring kids into the world today? The lunacy asylum that Western Civilization has become is NOT improving, think what the situation will be for white males in the U.S. 20 years from now....or even 10. Aaron Clarey, the guy who wrote 'The Book Of Numbers' is now actively researching other countries trying to find a haven. If I was younger I would consider emigrating myself.

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    Re: Is there any SAFE way to have kids in North America?

    The only safe way to have kids is letting someone else have kids, we are not the fathers of our own children, the oligarchs and the powers that be, and the powers to come are the father of all children, we see this in the blatant disregard for parents by the education system.

    We are in a transformation period from patriarchal rights to no rights at all, we see this in the constant transgression of power and authority over individuality and personal responsibility.

    The only avenues left are MGTOW or a time machine with a good strong reverse gear to go backwards! Going forward will be progressively worse, ending at the battle of Armageddon.

    Therefore I say no, there is no safe way to have children in times like these, it's not even safe for men with a policy of sovereignty and avoidance!

    Safe is the one word that should be abolished! It's relevance is obscured and inapplicable to modern men in modern times!

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    Re: Is there any SAFE way to have kids in North America?

    Parallel on topic. Why the FF would you want to have kids in the first place? This issue is one of the things I really don't get in the RP sphere. When I look at it objectively I don't see any benefit whatsoever. Kids cost a shit ton of money, they completely impair your freedom, are totally depending on you for at least 8 years. Furthermore: there is always the risk of spawning a (severely) handicapped one and they might end up badly.
    More on topic: when you disregard my arguments/ have a different opinion as I have: did you think about said kids, OP? Given your location in the world, I think it's pretty safe to say that especially the former British Empire in the world has gone completely lunatic. Do you really want to feed those mental asylums, which only your gvt calls "country" more CC-riders or plantation slaves?
    I just don't get the "drive" to procreate from men at all. I always thought that drive is coming from out beloved strong and independent counterparts....

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    Re: Is there any SAFE way to have kids in North America?

    The short answer is no, there is no legally safe way to get married and have children. The legal system is regressing toward something more primitive, and dispensing with protections such as hearsay rules, and the "proof beyond reasonable doubt" requirement. What a woman says is objective truth. End of discussion. There's no way to protect yourself from this. It used to be a signed document was adequate proof of a contract. Now as mentioned above, the burden is on men to prove it wasn't coerced.

    I'd guess the society built around reproduction is coming to an end. According to biologists, historically only 40% of men reproduced. We had a short lived fling with the program of every body pairing up and producing 2 or more children, and now the planet (or is it just the United States?) is overpopulated with 300 pound Big Gulp guzzling human whales..

    So for sure the first question is, why even consider having children? Given the insane situation we have now, it's pretty much certain they will be dependent to age 25, and need a $200,000 college degree to get a job. If they happen to be born male, they'll be prescribed Ritalin by the time they're age 10 for displaying any level of energy. If female, they will be exposed to so much feminist nonsense, they'll be claiming oppression before hitting puberty.

    So here's the chance to make a choice. Go down the chutes with the rest of the cattle, or "go your own way".

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    Re: Is there any SAFE way to have kids in North America?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedPilledSimp View Post
    Parallel on topic. Why the FF would you want to have kids in the first place? This issue is one of the things I really don't get in the RP sphere. When I look at it objectively I don't see any benefit whatsoever. Kids cost a shit ton of money, they completely impair your freedom, are totally depending on you for at least 8 years. Furthermore: there is always the risk of spawning a (severely) handicapped one and they might end up badly.
    More on topic: when you disregard my arguments/ have a different opinion as I have: did you think about said kids, OP? Given your location in the world, I think it's pretty safe to say that especially the former British Empire in the world has gone completely lunatic. Do you really want to feed those mental asylums, which only your gvt calls "country" more CC-riders or plantation slaves?
    I just don't get the "drive" to procreate from men at all. I always thought that drive is coming from out beloved strong and independent counterparts....
    Yeah it makes no sense to me whatsoever. The cons outweigh the pros SO much. It's literally like shooting yourself in the foot. Unfortunately, for most men it's fully driven by being blue-pilled and manipulated into it by their spouses, societal expectations and parental/peer pressure. And "dependent for at least 8 years"? Are you kidding? More like 30! Just FYI, on average, raising a kid until 18yo for middle-class parents in a Western country costs stg like 300,000$ total. I only have 3 posts on this forum so can't post links yet, but just google "cost of raising a child" for references. That's WITHOUT college and that was before the high-inflation period we're entering full-speed right now, which I believe will last for quite some time.

    I live in France, not in the USA, but the law here is also equally tilted insanely in favour of women. Basically there's this law in France that allows a woman to request the court to force a guy to do a DNA paternity test to prove his fatherhood and force him to pay child support. Think: woman rides the CC, gets a bun in the oven by Chad and voilą! She can live happily ever after on state benefits while screwing Chad's life forever at the same time. Nice huh?

    Keep your cojones in check fellas!

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    Re: Is there any SAFE way to have kids in North America?

    In countries like China, there is a huge incentive to have kids. In fact, men have kidnapped kids out in the park to raise them as their own. In countries like China, your retirement care is traditionally based on your kids taking care of you, not on a pension that may disappear. No kids, no retirement care - so single men kidnap young kids to raise to ensure they have retirement care. This was the traditional way of retiring before Social Security or pensions - the Walton family lifestyle with several generations under one roof. Surrogacy makes sense if you believe the US economy could melt down or the dollar become inflated and worthless so that having surrogate kids to care for you in your old age as a backup retirement policy. Little known fact - as a parent you are allowed to take out life insurancy policies on your kids life on the theory that this is a backup retirement policy if something happens to your kid. I believe that generally taking out life insurance on other people lives is forbidden.

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    Re: Is there any SAFE way to have kids in North America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Duplin27852 View Post
    Honestly, are you sure you REALLY want to bring kids into the world today? The lunacy asylum that Western Civilization has become is NOT improving, think what the situation will be for white males in the U.S. 20 years from now....or even 10. Aaron Clarey, the guy who wrote 'The Book Of Numbers' is now actively researching other countries trying to find a haven. If I was younger I would consider emigrating myself.
    So then where in Europe should I emigrate to if I want to leave the US? Eastern Europe? Someone else said I could just use a surrogate if I wanted kids badly enough. Is that a good option in your view?

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    Re: Is there any SAFE way to have kids in North America?

    Quote Originally Posted by BeenThereDoneThat View Post
    So here's the chance to make a choice. Go down the chutes with the rest of the cattle, or "go your own way".
    Deinetley going my own way. But It's nice to have options. What about surrogates?
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    Re: Is there any SAFE way to have kids in North America?

    Quote Originally Posted by RenaiZance View Post
    So then where in Europe should I emigrate to if I want to leave the US? Eastern Europe? Someone else said I could just use a surrogate if I wanted kids badly enough. Is that a good option in your view?
    Western Europe I would say Portugal or Malta. Eastern Europe would be Georgia or Belarus. All great and affordable countries with a fantastic standard of living.

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    Re: Is there any SAFE way to have kids in North America?

    I have been accused of attacking fellow members and don’t wish to repeat this, but WTF?

    Looking for advice on where and how to spread your spawn on a MGTOW site does not sit comfortably with me.

    Am I alone in this?

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    Re: Is there any SAFE way to have kids in North America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    I have been accused of attacking fellow members and don’t wish to repeat this, but WTF?

    Looking for advice on where and how to spread your spawn on a MGTOW site does not sit comfortably with me.

    Am I alone in this?
    It's cool man. I just have some sliver of hope that society will rebound and things will be at least like they were pre 2010's. Each year gets stranger and stranger though.
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    Re: Is there any SAFE way to have kids in North America?

    Quote Originally Posted by RenaiZance View Post
    I just have some sliver of hope that society will rebound and things will be at least like they were pre 2010's. Each year gets stranger and stranger though. I'm still relatively young and have to much hope I guess LOL.
    Unfortunately, there's no putting the Western cultural genie (Feminism, gynocracy) back in the bottle and if you think the clown world we live in now is bad, things can and will get far worse.

    That out of the way, there are some conditions and reasons why someone would want to have kids, namely if one has sufficient dedication and resources to raise a child and is willing to inculcate it with the right value systems.

    IF you have the resources and the dedication, then:
    1) As CPRA mentioned, use surrogacy: buy a few eggs from woman A, rent a womb from woman B, hire fertility clinic C to perform the insemination and hire a wet nurse D to provide care and feeding for the first year (all this to best insulate yourself legally);
    2) Be prepared to relocate yourself - choose a relatively good country and community (social environment) in which to raise your child, most closely matching with your values;
    3) Be prepared to pay for regular medical check-ups and healthcare;
    4) Be prepared to home-school or hire tutors or set aside money for boarding school;
    5) Even if you do all that, there is no guarantee that the child will be free from the taint and corruption of the current Western social value system nor would the child grow up adopting your value system - so be prepared to be disappointed.

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    Re: Is there any SAFE way to have kids in North America?

    If you must have children, you cannot do so safely in the West*.

    The system set up in the West makes it impossible to safely have a child. If you genuinely are that committed to having children then travel to a society that is genuinely patriarchal. This will mean a dramatic change to culture and possibly also living conditions, depending on your options.

    It sucks and I'm sure not the answer you want to hear, but some things; there's just no way around.

    *There are maybe wildcard options around joining highly isolated, patriarchal communities in the US, such as the Amish. This obviously requires a major change to one's life.

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    Re: Is there any SAFE way to have kids in North America?

    Quote Originally Posted by johnsmith79 View Post
    Unfortunately, there's no putting the Western cultural genie (Feminism, gynocracy) back in the bottle and if you think the clown world we live in now is bad, things can and will get far worse.
    The world has become a pretty hostile place in general, especially for White men who might "wrong think" and have more conservative views. People get fired, doxxed, and harassed for the smallest things. Always having to be on your guard when dealing with women for fear of a false "sexual assault" claim, the general loss of privacy, etc. It's become an absolute nightmare and I can't really think of how it can get much worse but these days nothing surprises me anymore. I'm just glad I have a community I can come to so that I stay safe and don't get burned.


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