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    Re: Is sex all that great??

    Your life is your life my friend and nobody has the right to judge you. To be troubled being a virgin or not a virgin, well nobody can answer because the question is binary. Your either one or the other. Make your own choices and be happy to have control over your own life.

    If you do decide to dip into the honeypot then be prepared for what awaits you. Not all women are bad but many are absolutely nuts. Your choice.

    Edit: at 27 I wouldn’t bother. Pay for it if your curious.

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    Re: Is sex all that great??

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    From your Intro:
    There is no contradiction. Having sex randomly, is NOT the same thing as needing female companionship. (emphasis on 'needing'.
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    Re: Is sex all that great??

    Simple answer, NO.

    I am 40 years old have had sex with over a dozen women and i think 2 of them where worth the effort it took to get them out of their pants.

    Lemme say this really clearly, she will NEVER, EVER keep pace with you in bed. Once, maybe twice a day and she is too tired to continue while you can easily have sex 8 to 12 times every day if you try. DO NOT expect a fulfilling sex life, i have met women who insisted they where absolute wildcats and they could barely go 3 rounds on a weekend. by your age i had completely given up and gone full monk mode in disgust, realizing that my hand would do more for me then any female every would.

    I have never and will never understand the guys who, having had sex a few times insist on spending hundreds or even thousands of dollars trying to get their dick wet. And to this day no one has been able to explain that to me.

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    Re: Is sex all that great??

    Quote Originally Posted by Bam View Post
    That’s just nonsense.

    Only simps pay for sex.
    Evolutionarily false. Men provide resources and protection, women provide sex and fertility. Only in a modern society where women's needs are met by far-reaching government (who extracts resources from men by force) are women able to f*ck based purely on chasing physical attraction and vagina tingles.

    Take away the free resources and the police force and the guy with bulging muscles and tattoos but no future and career immediately shifts from all the pussy he wants to none or mediocre only. Meanwhile the short guy with 4 inch glasses but wealth and prospects can obtain an attractive and submissive wife.

    Bizarre female behaviour of showing contempt to men who provide for them and attraction for me who treat them crap is evolutionary psychology, but playing out in a system heavily affected by external bias.

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    Nah not really. Had it once and was anxious as hell which may be why I didn't enjoy it but I really wish younger guys would get over it. It's not the end of the world. If it's legal where you are just hire an escort. Build a business or travel. Much better investment.

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    Re: Is sex all that great??

    Quote Originally Posted by Bam View Post
    The amount of people on here who seem to think it’s some sort of good idea to buy women stuff is shocking.
    Are you sure you aren't confusing here with some other forum?

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    Re: Is sex all that great??

    Quote Originally Posted by suspiciouscrow View Post
    Evolutionarily false. Men provide resources and protection, women provide sex and fertility. Only in a modern society where women's needs are met by far-reaching government (who extracts resources from men by force) are women able to f*ck based purely on chasing physical attraction and vagina tingles.

    Take away the free resources and the police force and the guy with bulging muscles and tattoos but no future and career immediately shifts from all the pussy he wants to none or mediocre only. Meanwhile the short guy with 4 inch glasses but wealth and prospects can obtain an attractive and submissive wife.

    Bizarre female behaviour of showing contempt to men who provide for them and attraction for me who treat them crap is evolutionary psychology, but playing out in a system heavily affected by external bias.
    Yeah, Bam is blinded by his Chad-colored glasses. Everyone pays - Chads pay by giving time, attention, social status and superior genetics to women lower on the SMV pole. They still chase after 9s and 10s who are in turn chasing after celebrities and millionaires. Chads often lack a good understanding of female nature due to their early success and end up in shitty marriages just like everyone else.

    Another saying that I think is apt for this thread: men go their own way when the disgust overwhelms the lust. For some it takes a lifetime of pussy and pain, for others observation alone is enough. We all end up here as brothers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FenderKatPaw View Post
    27M here, will attempt to make a long story short.

    Based on my personal choices and my religious beliefs of sex outside of marriage I am still a virgin at 27.

    I've met my fair share of women, dated some, and have turned down sex on multiple occasions.

    I'm not here to bash women or speak negatively of them. At the end of the day MGTOW for me boils down to this. I really value the freedom and lack of stress that comes with being single and childless.

    I try to keep myself busy, but in my downtime I sometimes wonder if sex is worth missing out on? Perhaps this would fall under the common phrase, "The grass is greener on the other side of the fence."
    Sex is one of those things that men have a strong fixation on. It's great. But let's face it, it's not THAT great.

    You have about forty minutes or an hour of pleasure, about fifteen seconds of intense pleasure, a half hour of sheer exhaustion and then probably a long night of sleep.

    As lovers go, one woman is basically the same as the next. If you've been with one, in a sense you've been with them all. The basic experience won't change very much for most guys (unless you're into some rly freaky shit).

    So, honestly, I don't think you're missing much by sticking with virginity. I know your instincts might be telling you that you're missing out on something with sex. I know that society has made sex the end-all, be-all, the greatest thing ever. But it's truly not that big a deal. Sex brings a lot of complications and potentially a lot of additional challenges into your life. Virginity sidesteps ALL that stuff.

    If you're looking for a recommendation, I say you should stay a virgin, practice your religion as devoutly as you can and avoid all the drama and trouble that can come with being sexually active. Besides, odds are at this point that you'd only lose your virginity to some loser woman who isn't worthy of you anyway.

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    Ask a guy in divorce court, or the saps sitting there being accused of rape or assault if it was worth it. I'd bet $ the average answer would be "I really wish I hadn't thought with my little head rather than my big head." I'm not saying one needs to swear off sex for life, even though I'm leaning that way myself. Just one needs to be very careful. Once you go down that route with a woman, you're giving her a lot of leverage and even some amount of legal power over you. If something happens and you end up in court, because the chick you hooked up with turns out to be a spiteful psycho, or you couldn't control yourself and actually did get violent, you'll definitely be asking if the sex was worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toolband89 View Post
    Ask a guy in divorce court, or the saps sitting there being accused of rape or assault if it was worth it. I'd bet $ the average answer would be "I really wish I hadn't thought with my little head rather than my big head." I'm not saying one needs to swear off sex for life, even though I'm leaning that way myself. Just one needs to be very careful. Once you go down that route with a woman, you're giving her a lot of leverage and even some amount of legal power over you. If something happens and you end up in court, because the chick you hooked up with turns out to be a spiteful psycho, or you couldn't control yourself and actually did get violent, you'll definitely be asking if the sex was worth it.
    Yup. A very sad state of affairs we are in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toolband89 View Post
    Hey OP, I agree. I embraced a MGTOW philosophy after a lot of soul searching and considering what I wanted for my life, not what society thinks I should be doing. I realized I don't like compromise in my personal life, I don't want to bring kids into this world and I didn't like the idea of giving anyone legal leverage over me. As far as sex goes, I always felt like I was less motivated by it than other guys. Sure, girls looked very different after puberty, but I didn't feel that motivated to chase after them.

    I had the good fortune of being tall and lean with decent Italian looks, so girls approached me at times. I'm sure there were others, but I finally caught on that they were flirting with me, as awkwardly preteens and teens can muster for flirting. Anyways, I found myself dating without really having tried. It was a little easier in that I went to Catholic schools, so there was a high level of familiarity with most of my classmates, and we all kind of grew up together. I had classmates that I knew since grade school and then we went to the same high school. Anyways, I never pursued sex until I had a girlfriend that carried over from HS to college. We "did it" for the first time our freshman year in college, and it was...ok. I dropped in and out of dating at intervals, and each time I had sex it was...ok. At worst it was tedious and unfulfilling. At best it was decent, like an above average slice of pizza. Something you have in the moment and think "hey, that was pretty good," and then you move on with life. Even in a couple multiyear relationships with regular sex and high level of body comfort, I wouldn't say it ever progressed to something I "needed." I suppose I'm lucky in that regard, it's just not a huge motivator for me, and since that's all a woman would be able to offer me (again, I don't want kids and my dog is a better companion and outdoor adventure partner than they ever could be) I have no motivation to chase after them. IDK, maybe it's a side effect of being circumcised or something.
    I identify with all of that (except for the tall, lean Italian part). Everything you said echoes my experience as well.

    I'd say maybe 5 to 7% of my sexual encounters have been really gratifying. The rest have been, like you say, "ok."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Haskell View Post
    I identify with all of that (except for the tall, lean Italian part). Everything you said echoes my experience as well.

    I'd say maybe 5 to 7% of my sexual encounters have been really gratifying. The rest have been, like you say, "ok."
    Exactly, and I don't get guys that say "well then, you haven't had great sex!" Really? I'm pretty sure I have. I've had girlfriends that were down with pretty much EVERYTHING. I've had wild, rough sex on beaches, fancy hotel rooms, even a couple threesomes. And when it all boils down to what the actual physical act feels like... pretty much just like masturbation, especially if one is using a toy. I may not be a sex god, but I've had my share. That's why I equate it to pizza. On the best of days, good sex is like good pizza. You have it and then think "hey, that was pretty good." Yes, you two were in sync and it seemed great in the moment, but get on with life once the afterglow wears off. At worst its like crappy, cold microwave pizza where you think "I really wasn't in the mood for that. In this case it was likely awkward or clumsy, she wasn't doing much of anything or she seemed indifferent too.

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    Lots of great responses here. Interestingly, I am asking myself the same question as I approach my 52 b day in a couple weeks.

    Here are the thoughts I have been having:

    1. My greatest concern right now is the vax. Really no way to trust a women to tell the truth about her status and from my research I am convinced it is a death sentence. Maybe not immediate, but within a few months or years and there is absolutely no way to fix it once you go there. This rules out escorts and people you don't know...which is pretty much anyone you would meet online or at a bar.

    2. The worst sex I ever had was with my wives. In fact, I don't ever remember having good sex with either of them, especially compared to the sex I had when I was divorced.

    3. I had the best sex of my life with a woman I have known for over 20 years and slept with for 4.5 years. As some pointed out earlier, it was because I could relax completely without fear of any of the bad stuff happening to me because she has always been a loyal FRIEND even when all others turned against me during my divorces. We then made the mistake of trying to go beyond friends and all the bad things you will find in this forum eventually came to happen. They just can't help it...women are wired to take from men and try to control them all the way down to their core.

    4. Even the very best sex I have ever had only lasts "in that state" for seconds....truly women are capable of much more enjoyment for a much greater length of time than men. When I was really dialed up on my technique I could keep my friend orgasming for over a minute and she could get off many times in a session...over and over. It's a lot of work and pressure for a man to perform at this level and the anxiety that comes with it can quickly ruin everything. At my age, I am a one and done at best and that is with the blue pills.

    5. The last few times we were together, when we finished I found myself saying to myself "wow, that just isn't that good anymore". This is because of the "cooliage effect" Google it. Bottom line, no matter how hot she is, after you have done her enough your brain simply does not get excited by her anymore. It is a cruel joke of nature to ensure men spread their seed among multiple partners to continue the species.

    I got married the 1st time because my religion prohibited sex before marriage. Biggest mistake of my life. Don't ever do that. I got married the second time because I was afraid of living and dying alone. Second biggest mistake of my life, don't ever do that.

    I went out this past weekend at the suggestion of some on this forum to hook up with a one and done type of chick. I found one and was running a great game of PUA for a few days working toward that when I noticed every time I was around her I started to get sick with CV symptoms...she finally admitted she had the jab 6 months ago. She was shedding spike proteins like crazy and they were making me sick. The last night I could have done her but I had to leave because I just kept getting more and more ill.

    Come to find out having sex (even just deep kissing) with the vaxxed will get you vaxxed...so I dodged another bullet there.

    I have just about come to the conclusion the only path left to me is monk mode. If my friend wants to get together a couple times a year (we live 1500 miles apart, it take a plane ride to meet) to get it on, I could go for that. My guess is she will probably get another guy because she looks great for her age and if that happens I won't touch her....again too much risk.

    So, it looks like I am done.

    As I look back on my life, if I could have avoided all the horrible things that happened to me because of women by simply being a virgin, I would do that in a heartbeat.

    Sorry this is so long, I hope there is something in this post that helps someone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flying View Post
    As I look back on my life, if I could have avoided all the horrible things that happened to me because of women by simply being a virgin, I would do that in a heartbeat.

    Sorry this is so long, I hope there is something in this post that helps someone else.
    No need to feel bad about it. I think most humans should at least try sex. I just don't think people should go out of their way to do it. Sadly, for a lot of average/below average guys that means that it's not happening if they aren't lucky or turn to prostitutes. I'd also tell anyone, man or woman, that if they really, truly want to be parents, then by all means get married and try to have a family. A stable family is by far the best, most supportive environment for children. But for most everyone else, I say avoid it. Leave the other gender alone. For far too many people all dating and sex do is breed contempt and resentment.

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    Re: Is sex all that great??

    I would suggest having sex, paid is better to avoid dramas, a few times. The reason for this is that you will discover that every pussy and mouth basically feels the same. Having sex with prostitutes (legally) is also a great way to discover female nature. Hookers are rather upfront about everything and themselves. You will also see how easily they go about their job as if it involved delivering newspapers or something more mundane.

    I found it to be rather liberating and an eye opener. I grew up at a time when we were expected to believe that women didn't really like sex and only did it for their man. That it was an intensely personal and emotional experience for them.

    I learned different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kryptic View Post
    I would suggest having sex, paid is better to avoid dramas, a few times. The reason for this is that you will discover that every pussy and mouth basically feels the same. Having sex with prostitutes (legally) is also a great way to discover female nature. Hookers are rather upfront about everything and themselves. You will also see how easily they go about their job as if it involved delivering newspapers or something more mundane.

    I found it to be rather liberating and an eye opener. I grew up at a time when we were expected to believe that women didn't really like sex and only did it for their man. That it was an intensely personal and emotional experience for them.

    I learned different.

    This TBH.

    You will discover that having sex with a condom literally just feels like a bag around your dick. It doesn't really feel like anything. On top of all this you have to worry about a host of NASTY STD's and pregnancies. I'm an anxious person when it comes to health shit and to me, I don't really think the payoff is worth it. I'd only do it with a monogamous person in a society where being a slut is shameful (and maybe even financial penalties to boot) but we all know that globalism has made women around the world pretty much the same now. Get married today and you have all the responsibility with none of the authority.

    No thanks.

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    I agree...sex with a condom takes all the pleasure away with no adverse affect for the woman.

    How typical, the man always get the short end of the stick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Haskell View Post
    I identify with all of that (except for the tall, lean Italian part). Everything you said echoes my experience as well.

    I'd say maybe 5 to 7% of my sexual encounters have been really gratifying. The rest have been, like you say, "ok."
    I mean, I've had some mind-blowing sex in my time. One time, I finished in such an epic way that the sensation was almost on the threshold of pain. It felt so good that it almost hurt. I'd been going through an incredibly stressful time and my girlfriend was in the mood. So, we went to town and that was how it finished.

    Another time, it didn't "almost hurt". But quality-wise, it was probably in my top five ever. I'd just gotten a big raise AND a big bonus at work, I was in a good mood, one thing led to another with a different girlfriend, etc.

    A totally different time, back when I was 20, I'd just gotten my finals results back from all my courses in college and found out my GPA was something like 3.9. So, when my 29 or 30 yo milf neighbor lowkey told me she needed something, I was in a mood to celebrate. So, me and the neighbor y'know.

    But the common element in all those episodes is me. My headspace determined everything. So much so that I'll go so far as to say that the girl I was with was incidental. The bigger issue seemed to be the mood that I was in or the conditions that I'd been working under. Basically, each of those partners were in the right place at the right time for me. But in terms of quality, none of them were radically different from each other. I mean, let's face it, all a woman rly has to do during sex is lay on her back. So, on that basis, it's pretty unlikely to find some skirt who lays on her back better than someone else.

    The quality of each encounter is probably 90% dependent upon the man's performance. So, most men get an average and every once in a while there might be an above average experience. But whoever the man is doing it with is sort of irrelevant. It could've been Woman A just as easily as Woman B and odds are you would've had the same basic quality of sex either way.

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    Re: Is sex all that great??

    Quote Originally Posted by I'm Gone View Post
    Yeah, Bam is blinded by his Chad-colored glasses. Everyone pays - Chads pay by giving time, attention, social status and superior genetics to women lower on the SMV pole. They still chase after 9s and 10s who are in turn chasing after celebrities and millionaires. Chads often lack a good understanding of female nature due to their early success and end up in shitty marriages just like everyone else.
    I agree that you pay energetically, I only meant that you should never ever pay physically.

    But that smv-thing is nonsense. 9s and 10s tend to wanna get fucked by hobos. Sometimes quite literally hobos. I’ve seen this many, many times. I personally knew a guy who is 5’3, filthy, unemployed, beer belly, been to prison, spent some time in the looney bin and had all sorts of substance abuse problems. It really doesn’t get much worse than that guy. And he was very popular with educated, attractive and well-to-do women.

    And I do think I understand female nature very well. Women divide men roughly into two categories: Guys they fuck and guys that are provider material.

    My main point is that you never, ever wanna give women money, attention, presents or anything at all, because if you do, they’ll see you as a provider. And the provider is the guy who gets the starfish-treatment.

    Women also feel great contempt towards providers. If for some reason you are so keen on sex, it is much better to be a filthy bum who doesn’t give a fuck, than to “chase” or do this dating nonsense. That’s really all you need to do to be a chad.

    I remember having a conversation with a 50 year old woman, where she explained to me why women wanna fuck hobos: Because the orgasm is stronger.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    Are you sure you aren't confusing here with some other forum?
    I’ve read a lot of posts here that claim that you need to pay (for “dates”, whatever that means) to have sex. I explained above, why that is a really stupid idea in any scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bam View Post
    I agree that you pay energetically, I only meant that you should never ever pay physically.

    But that smv-thing is nonsense. 9s and 10s tend to wanna get fucked by hobos. Sometimes quite literally hobos. I’ve seen this many, many times. I personally knew a guy who is 5’3, filthy, unemployed, beer belly, been to prison, spent some time in the looney bin and had all sorts of substance abuse problems. It really doesn’t get much worse than that guy. And he was very popular with educated, attractive and well-to-do women.

    And I do think I understand female nature very well. Women divide men roughly into two categories: Guys they fuck and guys that are provider material.

    My main point is that you never, ever wanna give women money, attention, presents or anything at all, because if you do, they’ll see you as a provider. And the provider is the guy who gets the starfish-treatment.

    Women also feel great contempt towards providers. If for some reason you are so keen on sex, it is much better to be a filthy bum who doesn’t give a fuck, than to “chase” or do this dating nonsense. That’s really all you need to do to be a chad.

    I remember having a conversation with a 50 year old woman, where she explained to me why women wanna fuck hobos: Because the orgasm is stronger.
    I’ve read a lot of posts here that claim that you need to pay (for “dates”, whatever that means) to have sex. I explained above, why that is a really stupid idea in any scenario.
    Paying "physically" makes it rather simple. To me anyway. I was only 17 when I realized that, I was still a virgin and just wanted to have sex. I didn't want to play games, to have any connection with the woman afterwards, to have anything to do with her. Sure, you can ghost but there is always that chance you will run into them at some point later. I just wanted simplicity. Paying for dates, giving gifts on the other hand is something I was never into, there is a difference between a straight out transaction (ie Hooker) and hoping to bribe someone.

    I agree about SMV it's a myth that attractive women get hit on a lot. Perhaps online where everyone is a hero but in real life most men find them intimidating. This means less attractive women get hit on more and end up becoming cynical as a result or men thinking they will be easy lays.


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