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    Is Kevin Samuels the most dangerous man in the manosphere?

    He has over a million subscribers (by far the biggest platform in "the manosphere"), a million views weekly (by far the biggest in the manosphere), most shared male-advocate content on youtube, and he's an ardent tradcon who actively preaches traditionalism and marriage. I'm always wary of any person with a large following, especially an advocate for men with large female viewers. Women will love you as long as you're still selling them as the product in some way.

    Despite shaming MGTOW from time to time he's adopted some of the MGTOW lexicons, he's also modified his content over time to better suit his female listeners and the tradcon men that watch him. He sells marriage as if it's this grand thing to aspire to, he said he's an advocate for men but preaches marriage without ever mentioning the legal pitfalls of marriage for men in the west. Also, he rarely ever had men call in, only women (the product), which ignores the concerns and experiences of the group he purports to speak for. Remember that this guy has a background in marketing and image consultancy. Needless to say, what he does he does well.

    As much as I despise feminism and believe feminism is partly responsible for the social miasma in the present epoch, I firmly believe that traditionalism is the ultimate evil. At the very least feminism frees men because it strips men of all the delusions men had of women and themselves. For the first time, men see women for who they really are. Adam took the apple from Eve, took a bite, and saw the muck she was bathed in. Men like Kevin Samuels are trying to lull men back to sleep, serving blue pills to men on the silver platter of traditional marriage. He runs under the banner of "calling women out," which unaware men cheer for believing he's really pro-male, only to sell them lies.

    The male ego already wants to be needed by the female because who is he if he isn't a doing, a slave? This is why the lie of traditionalism has been so easy to sell to men because men already want to be needed by women. This male ego is a tool for women and for men like Kevin Samuels. All he has to do is play the right tune and they all dance. While he does this he also tells these men that female body count doesn't really matter, shaming men who dare put this into consideration. It's a really nice strategy because he sells marriage to men while appealing to women's sexual liberation which women love.

    My concern is that young men would gravitate towards a guy like Kevin Samuels and run with the lies he sells them.
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    Re: Is Kevin Samuels the most dangerous man in the manosphere?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hedon View Post
    My concern is that young men would gravitate towards a guy like Kevin Samuels and run with the lies he sells them.
    I'm just the next opinion here, but all I can say to that, is that, with or without Kevin Samuels, there will always be men who are going to make their own mistakes, choose which ideas to follow, believe what they want to believe. We see a number of young men who say they are feminists. We may see them again in a number of years from now, as members here.

    Besides, if the things we say about women, relationships, and the legal system are as damaging as we say they are, won't these things assist us in making our point?

    But, I know, you/we would rather spare young men from any of that heartache. It's impossible to control all men, though, and that is also true for Kevin Samuels.

    On his platform, does he allow comments where people can cast doubt upon what he says, for others to read? I suspect any larger and coordinated pushback is for the MRA guys, activists that they are, while we are not.
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    Re: Is Kevin Samuels the most dangerous man in the manosphere?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    I'm just the next opinion here, but all I can say to that, is that, with or without Kevin Samuels, there will always be men who are going to make their own mistakes, choose which ideas to follow, believe what they want to believe. We see a number of young men who say they are feminists. We may see them again in a number of years from now, as members here.

    Besides, if the things we say about women, relationships, and the legal system are as damaging as we say they are, won't these things assist us in making our point?

    But, I know, you/we would rather spare young men from any of that heartache. It's impossible to control all men, though, and that is also true for Kevin Samuels.

    On his platform, does he allow comments where people can cast doubt upon what he says, for others to read? I suspect any larger and coordinated pushback is for the MRA guys, activists that they are, while we are not.
    This actually put things in perspective for me (thank you for that). It explains why I never bothered to comment on his content and always skipped to the call-in sections of the videos for entertainment purposes. You're also correct on the rest of it.
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    Re: Is Kevin Samuels the most dangerous man in the manosphere?

    Either him or Rollo. My quibble with both of them is ain't nobody got time to sit through some four hour livestream. Both of them need to condense their content down to less than twenty minutes whenever possible.

    For Samuels specifically tho, I find that the only people who don't respect him are the ones who don't listen to him. No exaggeration, literally every single time I listen to him, he's always firing off opinions that I completely agree with. I'm sure I disagree with him about something. The law of numbers sort of demands that. But I've never actually heard him say anything I disagree with.

    What I esp like about him is his ability to drill down to the truth of something with relative simplicity. Any moron can make something complicated. But it takes real intelligence and charisma to make something simple. And Samuels does that all the time.

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    Re: Is Kevin Samuels the most dangerous man in the manosphere?

    There are always going to be men who buy into the fairy tale of love ever-lasting, in the same way that women believe the childish stories of Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty and Snow White. Perhaps it is a pleasant thought, but reality has a way of changing peoples minds.
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    Re: Is Kevin Samuels the most dangerous man in the manosphere?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    I'm just the next opinion here, but all I can say to that, is that, with or without Kevin Samuels, there will always be men who are going to make their own mistakes, choose which ideas to follow, believe what they want to believe. We see a number of young men who say they are feminists. We may see them again in a number of years from now, as members here.
    This is a phenomenon I've glommed onto myself over the last couple years.

    A friend of a friend got married quite a while ago. Now, I'm not a MGTOW evangelist. I've never even actually said the words "I am MGTOW" out loud before. I certainly wasn't going to unmask myself to the FOAF. But he's a good guy and he has repeatedly demonstrated an ability to see things as they truly are. He was overjoyed about getting married. Same thing with everyone else at the table.

    Thing is, I met his woman back when they were dating. She saw the FOAF as a beta bux provider. She showed all the hallmarks of a woman whose hypergamy would eventually cause her to monkey branch. Which she has done. The divorce is now underway. So far, everything has been proceeding right on schedule.

    His ticket had already been punched the day he said "I do". I saw all of it the night I meet that vile wench of a woman. Casual disrespect of her man here, wandering eyes there. It all added up. Now I'm told they're getting divorced? I am shocked! Shocked! Well, not that shocked.

    Sitting there in the restaurant with all of us together as the FOAF told his divorce story a couple weeks ago, I realized that this isn't over for him. Nope. I'll be seeing him again. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow. But it'll be on the other side of his red pill journey.

    I can tell just by looking. He will never return to the reservation. There is no incentive, no threat, no argument you can make that will ever allow this budding TRP to put himself in harm's way ever again. He will never get married again. Period.

    Before, he was implicitly feminist. Today, I suspect his views on women might eventually become even more regressive than mine. And I'm pretty regressive.

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    Re: Is Kevin Samuels the most dangerous man in the manosphere?

    To developments such as Kevin Samuels, I apply a MGTOW interpretation of a biblical saying: The blue-pillers shall always be with us. There are always promoters out there able to wring a buck out of the current situation. They pick up on the atmosphere and provide something an audience wants to hear, and is willing to pay for. 20 years ago there was a movement of men looking to go back to traditional values. The name escapes me at the moment. But they were filling up football stadiums. Apparently that thing already flashed out of existence. In the era of social media, new gurus get their day.

    It's hard to know what the future will bring, but it seems near certain it's not going to be mass turn back to traditionalism. Too much has been exposed in recent years. However, many men will stay in the fog and get Mother Nature's work done reproducing the herd. Some men can't learn. I have a childhood friend who did the single-mom thing twice! After the first used and dumped him, he went and found another. Most of his life energy has been devoted to raising other men's offspring. There's little hope for him. But I wouldn't be surprised if some of those offspring figure out how screwed up this was and go a different way.

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    Re: Is Kevin Samuels the most dangerous man in the manosphere?

    I don't have an educated opinion on Kevin Samuels (haven't watched enough content), but that's never stopped me before, so here's my two cents.

    It's fun to watch him take down women with inflated egos. He's a counterweight to all the ego-inflation they get everywhere else. I think it's good for women. He gives them some straight truths they need to hear. It's fun to watch them sputtering.

    I am not at all interested in becoming a "high-value man," which is just shaping your life to be what is hypergamistically appealing to women -- wealth, status, image, snappy dresser, 'alpha' posture, you know the drill. That's too much cost for too little benefit. So as a man, I don't feel in synch with him; his values/goals are not my values/goals.

    He's trying to push people back to stereotypical male/female roles. That's fine for those who still want that setup. I'm sure it's still possible for some people, and I wish them luck. I've left that goal behind a long time ago, though. I'm just not his audience.

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    Re: Is Kevin Samuels the most dangerous man in the manosphere?

    Im MGTOW and believe even when girls get negative attention they like it

    attention is their drug. the answer

    simply walk away
    Thats the strength that they cant handle

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    Re: Is Kevin Samuels the most dangerous man in the manosphere?

    once upon a time, men and women needed each other to survive in the short term, and to reproduce in the longer term. The world was a tough place for an individual to survive without a family, and essentially impossible to reproduce and support a family alone. This was true for most of human history. The environment was threatening. Fast forward to the industrial revolution, post WWII in particular, and the threats of the environment were pushed back. Food became relatively abundant, major wars, plagues and famines became relatively rare, especially in the west. It's only under this set of circumstances that feminism and the idea that a woman "...don't need no man..." could ever have any chance of being anything beyond a delusion.

    It's hardly a coincidence that this is when the idea of feminism seems to have gotten its start. That it continues is the best indication of the consistency and reliability of the relative safety provided by the civilization in which it continues to flourish. (In the third world, where the environment is still relatively threatening, and survival on an individual not so certain, feminism doesn't get so much traction). But the idea of feminism is an artificial construct that could not survive without the artificial set of circumstances provided by western civilization.

    I haven't seen a huge sample of of Kevin's content. But I did see him make one point in one of his videos that has stuck with me. He pointed out the the quickest way to measure the durability of feminism is to watch women's behavior in the event of an electrical power outage: NO lights. NO security. NO safety or predictability. Soon, no civilization and not long after: no food, no water, no shelter. In the blink of an eye, the environment becomes random, unpredictable and threatening again. Nothing a woman needs to survive (without a man) is reliable in a power outage.

    30 seconds in and women are already on their phones... looking for a connection to the safety of that civilization that just disappeared. They are not on their phones in an attempt to connect to other women. They are attempting to connect to a specific man they know, or to a news agency/network (probably built by men) to learn what happened to the power and how soon it will return. It is a waste of time to try to connect with other women in that scenario. A couple hours in and women are looking for a locked door or a man to get behind. A few weeks in, and women without a man are wondering how/if they will survive...

    I think was demonstrated in one of those survivor island type reality tv shows where 1 group of women and 1 group of men were put on an island with nothing and told to survive as well as they could. You can predict the result even if you didn't see that show.

    I have never seen a power outage that lasted longer than few days. But even in that short time period, I didn't hear any woman going off about how she 'didn't need no man...'. Kevin talks to many single women who are unhappy that they 'don't have no man...', and they are complaining that their life is not as easy and rewarding for them as they expected it to be. In the samples of the videos I have seen, he has done an effective job of explaining to them why they probably 'don't deserve no man...', given the attitude that they have about men.

    I can agree wholeheartedly that most of the women who call his show are neither entitled to, nor do they deserve, the benefits of having a man. I agree that he may be focused on the product, instead of on the buyer. But at least he is making an effort to explain (as honestly and accurately as I've ever heard) exactly how far down the quality of the product has fallen. Women probably cannot/will not hear this and change. But perhaps a few men will hear it and hesitate before agreeing to pay the ridiculously overinflated asking price for it...

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    Re: Is Kevin Samuels the most dangerous man in the manosphere?

    Quote Originally Posted by BrainPilot View Post
    30 seconds in and women are already on their phones... looking for a connection to the safety of that civilization that just disappeared. They are not on their phones in an attempt to connect to other women. They are attempting to connect to a specific man they know, or to a news agency/network (probably built by men) to learn what happened to the power and how soon it will return. It is a waste of time to try to connect with other women in that scenario. A couple hours in and women are looking for a locked door or a man to get behind. A few weeks in, and women without a man are wondering how/if they will survive...
    This reminds me of a war story.

    A few years ago, a hurricane was bearing down on my city. It was generally known that it was happening. It was also generally known that the time had come and gone for making a run for it. That's the thing with hurricanes. When you finally realize you should've bugged out, it's too late.

    Anyway, but this wasn't exactly my first rodeo. Been through this quite a few times before. Some are worse than others. But if you just do some common sense stuff, a hurricane is usually not bad at all. And depending on what kind of job you have, a hurricane is still better than working.

    I already had some decent supplies in my house. But I wanted to pick up some stuff from the supermarket anyway. Wandering around the aisle was a truly eye-opening experience. If I hadn't already been red pilled, this little episode would've done the trick.

    There were solo men calmly picking up the things they needed. You won't have any problems from them, I guarantee it. There were also couples prowling the aisles too. The women looked kind of nervous. But no big deal. Their men were mostly doing a good job of regulating and keeping them cool.

    But the single women... oh boy. They were furtive with every step they took, they picked the same thing off the same rack and put it back a hundred times. They shifted nervously around in place or they rushed from here to there. They had no idea what to do or what to buy. Most of them were verging on open panic.

    Here's the thing. Hurricanes come to this city from time to time. It happens. Like I say, this wasn't my first rodeo. And by all rights, it shouldn't have been most of theirs either. They should have experience with this. But all their previous experience amounted to nothing here.

    They were alone, they were lonely, they were frightened and they were desperate. I saw more than one single woman peacock for the single men (most of whom paid them no mind) in the vain hope of getting some kind of safety or help.

    The "amazing strong independent women" that most of them had been just a week earlier had vanished, replaced by a lost, confused and scared shitless little girl.

    Most revealing of all was that the single women were not banding together. "Safety in numbers" didn't seem to exist for them. Not when it came to other women. The only safety they wanted was the presence of a man. Not even a couple would do the trick.

    The single women were competing with each other in the supermarket. I realized that half of them only went to the store to scope out single/available men. They didn't actually want to buy something. They were hoping for a meet-cute with a man who would provide for them during the hurricane.

    And at least when I was in the store, literally none of them found it. They were on their own. And they knew it.

    "Terrified" doesn't even begin to describe it.

    I chuckled about it, paid for my stuff, went home and had a nice little mini-vacation in the storm.

    Postscript- The power was out in my area for three or four days after the hurricane. My phone was practically brand new at the time so I did just fine. Worst case, I could've copped a charge in my car. But I barely used the phone except for occasional news updates and whatnot.

    I don't know but I would imagine that the above mentioned single women ran their phone batteries down to oblivion just like you describe.

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    Re: Is Kevin Samuels the most dangerous man in the manosphere?

    A "problem" with Kevin, and mind you I think his take downs are great, and I'm not going to criticize him IN HIS BUBBLE, is that his advise ONLY works in his bubble world.

    MGTOW doesn't exist in his world, because his world is about worshipping and chasing pussy.

    So his advice is useless to any MGTOW.

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    The funny thing is women are definitely not going back to the proverbial kitchen. All the evidence shows that their nature is adverse to that role since they only adhere to it in times of need and desperation. So what does that say about their "love" for the men they end up settling with/for? It took only 60 years of feminism to destroy centuries of the nuclear family. Barbar was right when he says traditionalism is a reproductive strategy for men who would've never passed on their genes to be able to do so.

    To elaborate on the concerns I mentioned in my post, I guess it's about impressionable young men who would've had the chance to encounter MGTOW contents would, given Kevin's large platform on youtube, come across his clips, seek more of him, and take up Kevin's pro-marriage message without ever considering the alternative.

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    Re: Is Kevin Samuels the most dangerous man in the manosphere?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hedon View Post
    He has over a million subscribers (by far the biggest platform in "the manosphere"), a million views weekly (by far the biggest in the manosphere), most shared male-advocate content on youtube,
    So how come I never heard of him?

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    Re: Is Kevin Samuels the most dangerous man in the manosphere?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    So how come I never heard of him?
    If you frequent that part of youtube I'm sure you've come across his video clip, even though you may not have recognized who he was. His 'average at best' video went insanely viral.

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    Re: Is Kevin Samuels the most dangerous man in the manosphere?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hedon View Post

    To elaborate on the concerns I mentioned in my post, I guess it's about impressionable young men who would've had the chance to encounter MGTOW contents would, given Kevin's large platform on youtube, come across his clips, seek more of him, and take up Kevin's pro-marriage message without ever considering the alternative.
    I hadn't heard of him before seeing your post. From a quick review, I think you definitely have it pegged. The jabs at women will draw the attention and support of many men. But then I guess he's trying to sell some goofy vision of making yourself "high value" and living happily ever after in a traditional marriage? I didn't go deep enough to see the punchline, but no doubt it's there: Sign up for my special advanced course on how to achieve this for yourself, only $1999 payable in easy monthly installments...

    I may be at an age where it all gets more amusing. A million followers seems like a big number. But didn't Boo the world's cutest dog have about 30 million fans?

    IMO it's going to be a strange shit show for many years, maybe generations, as the human race adjusts to new realities. We sure aren't going back to a traditional model, because a big part of it was women typically having 6-7 children. It kept them busy for most of a lifespan. And there's nothing for them to do in the proverbial kitchen, so they take their discontent to the street and blame it on men.

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    Re: Is Kevin Samuels the most dangerous man in the manosphere?

    Quote Originally Posted by Loner View Post
    There are always going to be men who buy into the fairy tale of love ever-lasting, in the same way that women believe the childish stories of Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty and Snow White. Perhaps it is a pleasant thought, but reality has a way of changing peoples minds.

    That is not his approach. He advocates for a hard boiled, realistic view of marriage that harkens back to the practicality of a hundred years ago.

    He exposes women. Every night, he gives you insight into their desire to be "fifty-niners," 5's who desire to marry 9's.
    For the woman that rides the CC and then expects 666 man to marry them with they are in their 30s and have had more members inside them than latino boy band "menudo," his advice is "Buy a dog. Die alone."

    He exposes women to such an extent that you realize that most women are not worth marrying.

    He describes women aged 27-35 as being in the "danger zone," and women past 35 as being in "no man's land." He tells them not to mistake sexual interest with desire to marry.


    He tells us that a "high value" man should only marry a woman who is "young, fit, feminine, friendly, submissive, childless, under 30, and debt-free," and advises against having a high body count.
    When women ask for a plan to attract the high value man, he tells them to hire a personal trainer and a nutritionist, book sessions with a psychologist, and hire a femininity coach.

    He asks every woman who asks for advice in attracting a high value man:
    - Why do you want and why do you deserve a high value man?
    - Dress size? What did you weigh the last time you weighed yourself? How tall are you?
    - With no make up and fresh out of the shower, without using the number 7, how would rate your face?


    This eliminates many of the women out there.


    He has an overarching goal. He wants to re-build the black community by rebuilding the nuclear family.
    His underlying data points are:
    - 80% of black women are not married.
    - 54% of eligible black men are middle class, single, and childless, wile 30% are married.
    - 16% of black men are responsible for a majority of fatherless children

    He is a strong advocate for men, and an even stronger advocate for black men.

    He must be protected at all costs.
    Last edited by sam luis obispo; November 22, 2021 at 3:53 PM.
    An escort is a woman you occasionally financially support only when she has sex with you.

    A date is a woman you occasionally financially support in the hope she will have sex with you.

    A wife is a woman you constantly financially support even when she is not having sex with you.

    An ex-wife is a woman you constantly financially support with alimony so she can have sex......with someone else.

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    Re: Is Kevin Samuels the most dangerous man in the manosphere?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    So how come I never heard of him?
    Look up his "average at best" video that went viral.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI6XWGKvUrE

    He is knocking the crown off of many a "queen" in every show.

    His question, "what do you bring to the table?" triggered thousands of women into unmasking themselves with their "I AM the table" solipsism response.

    He does not recommend marriage for most people.
    An escort is a woman you occasionally financially support only when she has sex with you.

    A date is a woman you occasionally financially support in the hope she will have sex with you.

    A wife is a woman you constantly financially support even when she is not having sex with you.

    An ex-wife is a woman you constantly financially support with alimony so she can have sex......with someone else.

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    Re: Is Kevin Samuels the most dangerous man in the manosphere?

    Quote Originally Posted by DangZagnut View Post
    A "problem" with Kevin, and mind you I think his take downs are great, and I'm not going to criticize him IN HIS BUBBLE, is that his advise ONLY works in his bubble world.

    MGTOW doesn't exist in his world, because his world is about worshipping and chasing pussy.

    So his advice is useless to any MGTOW.
    The millions of women that have recoiled from his analysis like vampires from a cross don't feel "worshipped."

    He is the anti-Steve Harvey. He does not pander to women, call them queens, or tell them that they are better than the average man.

    He rubs their face in the fact that if all the men disappeared tomorrow, the women would be dead within two winters,
    but if all the women disappeared from the face of the earth, men would live out their natural lives....
    and might just find a way to keep the human race alive through science.

    You should listen to the show while on your daily commute or while tidying up your house for the same reason you should be watching TLC's "90 Day Fiancé" tv series: to get insight into women without having to go on 50 dates or 5 relationships. Learn from other people's mistakes, and let women unmask themselves from a safe distance.
    Last edited by sam luis obispo; November 22, 2021 at 4:14 PM.
    An escort is a woman you occasionally financially support only when she has sex with you.

    A date is a woman you occasionally financially support in the hope she will have sex with you.

    A wife is a woman you constantly financially support even when she is not having sex with you.

    An ex-wife is a woman you constantly financially support with alimony so she can have sex......with someone else.

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    Re: Is Kevin Samuels the most dangerous man in the manosphere?

    Just another vulture, getting rich off society's bones and inspiring youngsters to do the same.

    Playing the game, wearing his mask. Devoid of humanity.

    Anyone that pleases the powers that be is a fucking enemy of mine.

    Anyone with a soul would be teaching people WHY their lives have become such a misery. Not pretending like "it's all good, now let's get rich and successful".

    Got no time for people without souls any more. Add him to the list of almost everyone in the public eye.
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