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    Intro requirements

    Several times the last few years, we've questioned the sincerity of some of our rookies. Sometimes it was the right call, and someone walked away with no hard feelings. But it's got to where we expect a guy to be 100% sure he never wants another women. A good idea, but we're barking up the wrong tree.


    The Army says it's wrong to give an order that cant be carried out, we don't need a requirement that cant be met either. Isn't 90% sure good enough? Give e'm a chance, they'll either learn, leave, or eventually get banned.


    If you want a fast bike, a rattlesnake, or a girlfriend, it's up to you. You can even give me the pros and cons. Long as you don't tell me to get a snake we're ok, it's none of my business.


    When I joined, there were at least two members who admitted to being married, and one who still had a girlfriend. We thought them a bit daft, but they were not looked down on. Quite the opposite, they were great members. They still check in, but don't post much.


    Last but not least, we're expecting a guy to be MGTOW when he join's. I was a kindred spirit to Jag's early bunch, but still dumb as a rock. I learned more in three months than I did in the thirty years before that. Would I get in today? Maybe, but probably I'd get told to try return to the plantation.com.

    Besides, Secular Scientist could live in Utah and have four wives for all we know.
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    Re: Intro requirements

    Na, light'em on fire and watch them burn, way more fun! <sarc/off>

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    Re: Intro requirements

    It's strange to be on this side of the fence, after cursing all those chest thumping idiots who did need banned. But I still think we've swung to far the other way and are now asking for more than we should.

    I don't really think Secular Scientist has four wives, I believe he was just what he said he was. Point is, we really don't know.
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    Re: Intro requirements

    I don't think we want to be 100% sure of the future of new or even existing members, nobody can call that one.

    Asking questions like 'Do you see yourself married or in a LTR in the future' isn't a question about future changes of opinion, it's about where you see yourself now, today. It's just a different way of asking if the poster is red pill or purple pill.
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    Re: Intro requirements

    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    But I still think we've swung to far the other way and are now asking for more than we should.
    I never post/ask questions to new members in the intro forum because I dont consider myself a correct person because of lack of experience with relationships, which means my opinion on intro requirements shouldnt be taken too seriously, and I accept I can be wrong (or very very wrong).

    That being said, I am in favor of some intolerance. It may sound harsh and apathetic, but we already have a section where unregistered members can post and talk to us or even each other. I mean yeah, your name wont appear with your post, but you can always put some name (real or madeup) within the post itself if you wanna participate in a longer discussion, though I dont think ppl do that.

    I support that because it reduces the cost for site admins/mods. If that cost increases too much, nobody will bother to do that work. And from what I have seen, moderators, and especially Unboxxed, does a LOT of work. I dont know the past, but based on how much I've been here, I am not going to do that much work if I have to do that. I get irritated by ppl not understanding the basic rules easily, and the FIRST rule you get to see, even sent to your inbox, is that you have to make intro with some very particular requirements. And my tolerance threshold is VERY VERY LOW, I have absolutely no idea how Unboxxed (and other moderators too) keep up with that.

    Which is why, I think we are totally not in a position to ask for more work from them, and giving more wiggle room with requirements will result in exactly that.

    PS: When I made my intro, it took like a day or two before I could see my post, then it took one more day before a reply came up (from AdTheBad). I did not posted ANYTHING outside my intro thread until my conversation with AdTheBad was over and mgtower welcomed me. Thanks to both of them though for taking the pain to read my intro and making sure I am not some Sp4MZ0r bot . But then I see many many members, simply make an intro, and then after one or two replies, they will start posting everywhere else. As far as I understand the rules, this is not allowed, and I have no idea why its not enforced from the backend itself (ie. you are not allowed to post anything else unless some moderator clears you).
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    Re: Intro requirements

    I'd rather be with a bunch of hard core bastards than flower kissing pussies that aren't resolute in anything! If enough reprobates are let in, we loose purity on the whole, and after that we loose the hardcore menbers that would rather not argue and disagree. I don't want to hear a whisper of empathy or concern for this society overrun by feminism and gynocentrism, it's an emulsion we need to keep separating, glean out the weak willed and absent minded, there's no place in self sovereignty for them, they'll only weaken the message and turn things purple and pink.

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    Re: Intro requirements

    If you want a fast bike, a rattlesnake, or a girlfriend, it's up to you. You can even give me the pros and cons. Long as you don't tell me to get a snake we're ok, it's none of my business.
    There was a would be member (I think by the name of ''M8'' something other) who recently made a very interesting intro.

    I thought his insights into female manipulation was bang on. But he wasn't 100% typical MGTOW. There were other members who I thought were too vague but were deemed MGTOW and welcomed. Yet other members who have been around for a while, sometimes post content which I feel is outside the realm of MGTOW.

    I guess it all comes down to what is MGTOW? The definition here is important.

    For me, MGTOW is a certain type of intensity and insightfulness about the current gynocracy we are living in. This is the theoretical. On a practical level, MGTOW ought to offer practical steps and advise on how to deal with the gynocracy.

    Last but not least, we're expecting a guy to be MGTOW when he join's. I was a kindred spirit to Jag's early bunch, but still dumb as a rock. I learned more in three months than I did in the thirty years before that. Would I get in today? Maybe, but probably I'd get told to try return to the plantation.com.
    Kind of reminds me of when I first joined. Some were skeptical, others weren't welcoming. And yet others, were condescending and rude. At least that is how it seemed to me at the time.

    If I was deemed outside of MGTOW for my thoughts/posts and wasn't given a chance to learn about MGTOW - then I may have never learned all that I did. I would be half the man I am.
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    Re: Intro requirements

    Last thing I want is to make it easy, or give Unboxxed more crazy people. But when you got honest troopers wondering if they'd make the cut today, that's not good either.

    My minor gripe is we sometimes expect too much to begin with. My real problem is this relationship thing. It's unrealistic for us to expect someone to have no ties to their former life, just to please us. We got no right to tell anyone, member or not, how to live their life. Also, it's morally wrong for us to expect our rookies to do as we say, and not as we do. No old timer here was ever told they couldn't have a relationship. We was told we was idiots and we'd be sorry, but nobody tried to tell us we couldn't.

    Your being a little hard on yourself rkspsm, you don't need to be a expert on anything in intros, come on down. Just ask them a question. We learn as much from how they answer questions, as we get from the answers themselves.
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    Re: Intro requirements

    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    Last thing I want is to make it easy, or give Unboxxed more crazy people. But when you got honest troopers wondering if they'd make the cut today, that's not good either.

    My minor gripe is we sometimes expect too much to begin with. My real problem is this relationship thing. It's unrealistic for us to expect someone to have no ties to their former life, just to please us. We got no right to tell anyone, member or not, how to live their life. Also, it's morally wrong for us to expect our rookies to do as we say, and not as we do. No old timer here was ever told they couldn't have a relationship. We was told we was idiots and we'd be sorry, but nobody tried to tell us we couldn't.
    Yeah, I am quite new here relatively, which is also another reason for the disclaimer I gave at start of my last post. I can be very wrong in my assumptions of many things.

    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    Your being a little hard on yourself rkspsm, you don't need to be a expert on anything in intros, come on down. Just ask them a question. We learn as much from how they answer questions, as we get from the answers themselves.
    Well, I try to make it up by furiously debating them once they are in and start debate'y topics !
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    Re: Intro requirements

    I guess it all comes down to what is MGTOW? The definition here is important.

    For me, MGTOW is a certain type of intensity and insightfulness about the current gynocracy we are living in.
    Maybe I've got the wrong end of the stick here, but to me what you describe here is red-pill awareness and how you react to it. That definition could just as easily apply to PUA, MRA, Incel etc. My understanding of MGTOW includes this definition but also adds that you have decided as far as possible not to allow women any control over your personal life and goals. IMO this would be impossible from within a relationship.

    My real problem is this relationship thing.
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    We got no right to tell anyone, member or not, how to live their life.
    Agreed. MGTOW is about oneself and not about telling others what they should or shouldn't do, but if this is to remain a site for MGTOW is it not important to establish that potential members fit with that definition and aren't just MGTOW curious?

    This is an open site for everyone to read and even has a section for non-members to post questions or views. This allows people to explore that curiosity before deciding for themselves if MGTOW really is the path for them. The choice is theirs, we're not forcing anyone to do anything.
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    Re: Intro requirements

    Yeah, I agree with frog. Some of them are genuine, they do need a space to air their problems. How of many us here are anonymous? Feminists can go parading their bullshit in plain site and we have to hide behind masks here to have our horrifyingly legitimate grievances heard.

    I mean, I always question whether my intro was valid. Yet, without the red pill I would probably be lying in a gutter somewhere waiting for the end of my life (well, may be not but it certainly feels like that).

    Red, blue, black pill it doesn't matter for fucks sake, they're our brothers, fathers, grandfathers and friends out there dealing with a terrifying reality and yet we hold them back from becoming a part of a community that may well help them deal with a cold, harsh reality.

    And yet, I do feel for the mods, they do have to adhere to a certain etiquette because of the gynarchy. How would we feel if this place was shut down? I have avoided so many pitfalls because of this site.

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    Re: Intro requirements

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    There was a would be member (I think by the name of ''M8'' something other) who recently made a very interesting intro.

    I thought his insights into female manipulation was bang on. But he wasn't 100% typical MGTOW. There were other members who I thought were too vague but were deemed MGTOW and welcomed. Yet other members who have been around for a while, sometimes post content which I feel is outside the realm of MGTOW.



    I guess it all comes down to what is MGTOW? The definition here is important.

    For me, MGTOW is a certain type of intensity and insightfulness about the current gynocracy we are living in. This is the theoretical. On a practical level, MGTOW ought to offer practical steps and advise on how to deal with the gynocracy.



    Kind of reminds me of when I first joined. Some were skeptical, others weren't welcoming. And yet others, were condescending and rude. At least that is how it seemed to me at the time.

    If I was deemed outside of MGTOW for my thoughts/posts and wasn't given a chance to learn about MGTOW - then I may have never learned all that I did. I would be half the man I am.

    You maybe right..... although we learned he was purple by a letting him in his direction likely would have shifted. Instead we drove him away. There are very few other options out there, and......


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