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    I'm here thanks to the PUAs

    I must admit, I tried to understand the reason for my failures in relationships with women, and thanks to a blogger who told me that my attitude towards women was similar to an MGTOW, I was filled with curiosity to investigate more, and now here I am. , enormously grateful, because now I understand everything too well, so well that I no longer want to associate myself with a predatory entity by nature ever again, we know that to many this may seem exaggerated, but after carefully observing all the details such as the way in which they operate, they choose their victim, and they start the manipulation game... it's a horror story, and I refuse to take part in it, even if women still follow me, I prefer to look the other way, I don't think that exist better method than abstinence.


    in this moment i feel sick about the PUAs and theyre methods of seduction..

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    Re: I'm here thanks to the PUAs

    A PUA is just a dog sniffing for pussy, it's a degrading place to be, it's like a heroin addict seeking his next fix, he has no respect for the serious and adverse effects it has on him, it's a lower form of living where one has no idea all the blessings he's missing by abandoning the curse of being PUA. The only personal growth they have happens between their legs.

    Don't hate them, simply pity them and be thankful your growth is everlasting and needs no replenishing!

    You can't know liberty until you're free! Bask in your freedom and pity the rest!
    Bundle up, boys, it's gonna be a long cold endless winter.


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    Re: I'm here thanks to the PUAs

    Quote Originally Posted by Davout View Post
    I must admit, I tried to understand the reason for my failures in relationships with women, and thanks to a blogger who told me that my attitude towards women was similar to an MGTOW, I was filled with curiosity to investigate more, and now here I am. , enormously grateful, because now I understand everything too well, so well that I no longer want to associate myself with a predatory entity by nature ever again, we know that to many this may seem exaggerated, but after carefully observing all the details such as the way in which they operate, they choose their victim, and they start the manipulation game... it's a horror story, and I refuse to take part in it, even if women still follow me, I prefer to look the other way, I don't think that exist better method than abstinence.


    in this moment i feel sick about the PUAs and theyre methods of seduction..
    I'm ex-PUA myself. I like to call it "hypergamy surfing." For me, that shit actually did work, if you count success simply by getting laid. Oh, goodie, some skankaho who's banged 4,387 different men made me her 4,388th.

    MGTOW is way better. I don't need women's gross cesspool.

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    Re: I'm here thanks to the PUAs

    Quote Originally Posted by Davout View Post
    I was filled with curiosity to investigate more, and now here I am. , enormously grateful, because now I understand everything too well
    Welcome to TRP truths. This will be one rabbit hole you will never return from.... (-:

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    Re: I'm here thanks to the PUAs

    Know Your Enemy - first rule of modern survival.

    There were gaps in my knowledge, but I had a lot of this figured out by my senior year of college. 'Nice' guys get used, assholes wake up to her swallowing. Until the big head overrides the little head, dangerous are the waters you swim through.

    PUA's a lot of work. If you find you simply must have your pipes cleaned, use a professional. 'Transactional immunity' isn't just for lawyers...

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    Re: I'm here thanks to the PUAs

    PUAs are just desperate brainwashed fools. Yea they must get some "puss" but do they care about you long term like MGTOW(i.e. divorce rape, child support even for a kid thats not yours, harsh law system, etc)? No. PUAs will be those guys that say "but it's pussy" as a defense to however a woman hurts you. Let them get bent over and royally f**ked. They probably won't even learn then.
    Stay away from women. They will only break your heart.

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    Re: I'm here thanks to the PUAs

    Quote Originally Posted by MGTOWFOREVER View Post
    Yea they must get some "puss" but do they care about you long term like MGTOW
    Look at the signature - "A man without purpose finds it in women".

    They all talk about game, frame and "buy my course".
    Purpose? Yeah - they'll mention it a few times but never specify.

    Let it be known that Kevin Samuels called Niki Minaj 10/10. That Mr. "average at best" died with a 304 in his bed.
    Let it be known that Rollo Tomassi, "godfather of the manosphere" is legally married to the post wall woman.
    Fresh & Fit, Dream Johnson, Bulldog Mindset, John Anthony Livestyle, Jack Murphy - what a disgrace.

    "Those who have one foot in the canoe and one foot in the boat, are going to fall into the river." - indian proverb
    Last edited by bazalgette; September 11, 2022 at 12:46 AM. Reason: style
    " A man without purpose finds it in women " - UCXIV

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    Re: I'm here thanks to the PUAs

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    A PUA is just a dog sniffing for pussy, it's a degrading place to be, it's like a heroin addict seeking his next fix, he has no respect for the serious and adverse effects it has on him, it's a lower form of living where one has no idea all the blessings he's missing by abandoning the curse of being PUA. The only personal growth they have happens between their legs.

    Don't hate them, simply pity them and be thankful your growth is everlasting and needs no replenishing!

    You can't know liberty until you're free! Bask in your freedom and pity the rest!
    Exactly. They have no intrinsic identity or purpose.

    If the majority of women wanted to fuck serial killers, the PUAs would respond immediately and become serial killers. It's the most nihilistic and gynocentric philosophy in the manosphere, bar none.

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    Re: I'm here thanks to the PUAs

    Eh, it's fun when you're young and have a high sex drive. After being the "other" guy for so long you see all the duplicity, strategies and patterns, become immune.

    If you're a man and want something, you figure out how to get it. Once the challenge and fun are over you move on.

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    Re: I'm here thanks to the PUAs

    " A man without purpose finds it in women " - UCXIV

    Sorry to ask, but who is UCXIV? I can't find it on the www.

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    Re: I'm here thanks to the PUAs

    You can't find his stuff because recently PayPal stole his donations -
    they notified him on his work email which was never linked to his anon activities.
    He was so pissed he told some stuff on-stream which got him a visit from glowies.
    He has hidden his content on youtube and is currently laying low since last month.
    You can find him on some recent Hammerhand's streams.

    Who is Undead Chronic XIV? His post-fix is XIV because he got banned off youtube 14 times.
    When someone shits on MGTOW he is usually first to respond.
    He works closely with Hammerhand the MGTOW Monk, he has Hammer's and Sandman's stamp of aprooval.

    He is a roaster, hater of usery and a friend of MGTOW.
    It is him who made it known that Jack Murphy is a cuck who (on tape) shoved 9inch dildos up his anus.
    All because Murphy waged war on mgtow.

    Like Hammerhand he has an interesting story.
    Hammerhand was homeless - he had to work really hard to get back on his feet.
    That's why his motto is : "every day above dirt is a good day".

    Undead was a drug dealer until his friend got shot during a drive-by.
    He then did 180, went to university, got PhD and now has a high-paying job.
    He is not MGTOW but rather mgtow-aligned. He said that once he had a very good thing going
    with a good woman (submissive virgin younger than 25yo) but he wanted to spin plates.
    He deeply regrets it.

    His beliefs:
    - No hymen no diamond.
    - Women after 25yo are low-value. (You need 2-3 years to weed out chameleons, she is now 28 and just before the wall)
    - Thus trad-cons are cucks. They marry whores, they raise whores - they get cucked by feminist culture.
    - Every woman who exercises her feminist rights is a feminist. (voting = feminism)
    - Feminism is like cancer. It doesn't matter if it is first, second or third wave as it gradually progresses.

    Some of his better, recent content:

    [Mod note: I redacted these 15 links. As you point out he is not MGTOW, he blends blue pill with red pill, and I don't want to encourage links to anybody's impure red pill content, especially when it's not under critical analysis from a MGTOW perspective but is offered as recommended reading.]
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    " A man without purpose finds it in women " - UCXIV

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    Re: I'm here thanks to the PUAs

    PUA, MGTOW, MRA are ALL responses to the same phenomenon- the deterioration of the modern woman.

    It's called The Great Regression:

    https://www.goingyourownway.com/mgto...eat+regression

    There is no one objectively better path. Those who are awake to the reality will take on of these 3 paths based on their personal preferences.

    The "conflict" between these three is imaginary. Although one's personality usually influences one to go down one path alone, there is zero reason why someone cannot be in multiple groups. One group critiquing the other is typically done by caricaturing the other group in an exaggerated manner.

    See this post by JohnSmith79 why men can be both MGTOW and MRA.

    See my writeup for MGTOW called RecGame.

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    Re: I'm here thanks to the PUAs

    PUA's played a large part in changing how I view women after my divorce. I could not believe that women could be so easily manipulated. I read as much PUA stuff as was available online for free. I was given a copy of "The Game" as a divorce present as a joke. So I could brush up on dating women. As I read it I was amazed. By far the PUA I learned the most from was David X. I use a version of his outlook toward women to this day.

    I discovered MGTOW and PUA at about the same time. The moment I walked out of divorce court for the last time. I knew I would not marry or live with a woman again. I did not need anyone to tell me that. When I found MGTOW it only reinforced that decision with hard evidence from men world wide. I also knew I was not going to give up sex with women.

    So when I began to date again I tried out some of what the PUA's preached. No, I didn't dress like a clown. I did try out things to increase the tingles for these women that they recommended. With stunning success.

    I consider the PUA info as a valuable tool in my kit. When I want to get laid. It's a huge help. Funny thing I found it has nothing to do with the age of the woman. They did not get smarter as they got older.

    So while I do not agree with the whole chasing pussy thing. Or improving myself for the sake of women. I am grateful to the PUA's for some very valuable information.

    I have no beef with PUA guys. Chase away all you want.
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    Re: I'm here thanks to the PUAs

    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post
    PUA, MGTOW, MRA are ALL responses to the same phenomenon- the deterioration of the modern woman.

    The "conflict" between these three is imaginary.
    Perhaps you mean this conflict is unwarranted, unnecessary? Because this conflict certainly exists.

    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post
    One group critiquing the other is typically done by caricaturing the other group in an exaggerated manner.
    Let me see if I can offer a non-caricature. I'll re-post here something of mine from that other thread MGTOWs are NOT MRAs!:

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    Keep in mind we can say Men's Rights Advocacy or we can say Men's Rights Activists, the latter term is well-spread on the internet. The stance I have always seen is that MGTOW are not activists hence we are not "MRA". In the past, I have read of tension between those men who call themselves MGTOW and those men who called themselves MRA.
    I'm trying to insert into the conversation that Men's Rights Advocacy and Men's Rights Activists are not identical yet they share the same acronym. I am definitely the first one, and definitely not the second one. They are different to me. Two overlapping circles in a Venn diagram, yes, but not identical.

    I am both MGTOW and MRAdvocacy to fall short of negotiating relationships with women or anything that steps me towards the plantation.

    I read continually that MRActivists do not specifically exclude marriage et al in their language, for instance, in the case they make to women. That they might even seek to re-negotiate relationships is not MGTOW. They will step towards the plantation.

    Of course I will disagree with those who speak to women like this. Of course I will. So, I am not both MGTOW and MRActivist.

    When we so frequently use the acronym MRA, what are each of us really thinking we are debating? Advocacy, which can be passive, or Activism which is not passive? Are we strong on the personal lines we have drawn for ourselves or are we still fussing with women over the boundaries? Are guys on the same page with this MRA label? Why are any MGTOW stepping towards the plantation to be included in that group?

    Blending the two ideas into one acronym may be convenient in debate or go unnoticed but is unhelpful when dissecting thoughts, perhaps.

    I won't align myself with anybody who steps towards the plantation. I might even object publicly, if I do, furthering this "conflict".

    On the other hand, I don't really care what MRA does. I am MGTOW.
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    Re: I'm here thanks to the PUAs

    >I read continually that MRActivists do not specifically exclude marriage et al in their language, for instance, in the case they make to women. That they might even seek to re-negotiate relationships is not MGTOW. They will step towards the plantation.

    Except renegotiating the terms of marriage to a woman (or how the legal system deals with divorce) is not the only thing MRA is about. It's about Men's Rights in general which covers all kinds of areas that affect MGTOWs like fighting the institutional and narrative forces that make "Fake Rape" charges so common. Or just Suzy at work claiming some guy at work is "creepy" and having HR talk to him and putting him on a PIP.

    A lot of this depends on whether we focus on what we disagree with MRA on or what we agree with them. Personally I see this as a Venn-Diagram and focus on the overlap between our circle and theirs. MGTOWs can focus on the common ground without adopting aspects of MRA's we disagree with (ie: avoiding marriage).

    MGTOW itself is a continuum, with some men ghosting entirely and feel as though they will never be hit with "fake rape" charges or the multitude of other unfair systemic misandry that women can leverage against men; and other MGTOWs who do business deals with all kinds of people, women included, socialize with all people, including women, and seem themselves more at risk. Perhaps Ghost MGTOWs see such other MGTOWs as "on the plantation", but I do not. Last but not least, MGTOWS who completely avoid women may find themselves at the mercy of the misandrist system regardless of their withdrawal from women altogether.

    Some of you may be wondering -- who is this Jagrmeister guy? Have a look at some of my posts from MGTOW Forums--> Jagr Archive (collection of my articles)



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    Re: I'm here thanks to the PUAs

    Never mind the fancy jargon.
    The real trade secret is lowering your standards until you get laid.

    Maybe that was easier when I was young? It was never respected.

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    Re: I'm here thanks to the PUAs

    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post
    Last but not least, MGTOWS who completely avoid women may find themselves at the mercy of the misandrist system regardless of their withdrawal from women altogether.
    Very True. And I agree with your Venn diagram analogy. False accusations affect men regardless of their interaction with women by their very nature.

    If a MGTOW wishes to be an activist against these types of injustices he is no less a MGHOW for this.

    However, I also agree with Unboxxed. MGTOW is not about fighting these injustices although some may choose to do so.


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