Thread: If MGTOW is all losers, why do man hating feminists keep writing articles based on lies and fear?

Men Going Their Own Way Who are they?

A rambling jumbled article all over the place and, as always, have to go into violence and incels, because they have nothing else.

They have to take on a straw man instead of the truth. If they took on the truth, it would look something like this:


"MGTOW is a group of men who have sworn off marriage and any long-term relationships with women. They've calculated the risks and have decided they're not worth it. They claim they have the right to opt out and thus to control their own lives, but, of course, they have no right to do that. They should stick around and serve us women because we want them to do that, and they're wrong not to live up to their gender role. We feminists have demanded to be released from our gender roles, but men have no right to be released from theirs."


If they debated against MGTOW based on what it actually is, they would quickly begin sounding unreasonable and absurd, as you can see in the above paragraph. Therefore, they create straw men like "MGTOW is a misogynistic movement" and "MGTOW are dangerous incels."


They don't debate based on the truth because they can't. As soon as the truth is revealed, the opposition to MGTOW looks ridiculous.

They're an arm of the mass media, fake news, and other dishonorable tactics. If they wanted to debate us instead of slandering and demonizing us, they could easily log in on the "non members" section and fire away, but no, they don't want to be confused by the facts, that would erode their agenda and expose them for the fakes, frauds, and liars they are!

Debating gender roles with a feminist is like debating nutritional value with a vegan.
I rather stab my eyeball with a rusty fork.

Simple they don't want Men wising up to society's bullshit otherwise they'll have less slaves to exploit from freely without consequence.

I don't care what some bitch feminist thinks or says; they get nothing from me and that is my right of choice.

More men going MGTOW means average and below women especially get less attention overall and have fewer simps begging for their attention (free meals, onlysimps subscribers, etc). I already see this happening with chubby/fat girls and 30+ women with kids…most of them I see locally can’t get a relationship or if they do it lasts for only a few months and they are looking again. A lot of them do everything they can looking for attention…you might see them in a thong posting memes about how they like their cheeks clapped one hour…then a picture with their child the next hour.

I think MGTOW principles are filtering down to the masses and getting to men who don’t even know what MGTOW is. It’s leaving a large percentage of women in a position where they can get sex on demand from endless amounts of men but they can’t get an actual healthy relationship with any chance of lasting. Fewer and fewer men are open to the idea of entering a relationship with what modern women have become.

Originally Posted by From the article

included a tag associated with a misogynist men’s rights movement, Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW).
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Although Poilievre did not apologize, he did address the issue and said that he “condemns” the organization and corrected the problem as soon as it became known to him.

So, we’re an organised men’s right’s movement?

I thought we were just a bunch of guys calling it for what it is.

Originally Posted by From the article

MGTOW do not really conceive any form of self-criticism.

Wow. Just where the fuck does this come from? I suggest it’s pure projection. Some wymminz are so caught up in how they’re perceived by others (the make-up, the clothing, the cosmetic surgery etc.) that they just cannot fathom how others don’t ascribe to their own mentality.

If you don’t behave like I do then you aren’t self-critical because I’m so insecure in myself that I need affirmation in everything I do!

Our not giving a shit about what they think really pisses them off.

Good.

I can’t speak to other MGTOW, but if anything I’m over self-critical. We kind of have to be in order not to out ourselves IRL.

Reflection is part of who I am and I’d guess it’s part of most MGTOW, otherwise why would we meet up here to discuss any issue?

But hey, we’re all just a bunch of disgruntled incels.

Bullshit.

Incels crave what women have to offer, MGTOW realise that what women have to offer is nothing other than the mistaken belief that what lies between their legs is worth giving up all that we are and becoming slaves to some fucked-up ideal that doesn’t exist.


Dr. Sara Brzuszkiewicz

Doctor of what? Compliance?

Originally Posted by Jackoff

Reflection is part of who I am and I’d guess it’s part of most MGTOW, otherwise why would we meet up here to discuss any issue?

Reflection is an integral, and often the first, part of learning from mistakes to move forward in life in a better position.

In the absence of reflection, it's just an endless hamster wheel until you fall on your face....Wait.... where have I seen that before?

So, we’re an organised men’s right’s movement?

It's Jack, he's the CEO, send all correspondence to Jack's house! Name him in any lawsuits!

And if Jack's not enough, go after Unboxed, he's the one, the ring leader, the troublemaker!

Or they can come after me, I'm North America's leading expert on quagmires!

We can't be the John Gotti's of our organized crime family. We have to take lessons of stealthiness from Ndrangheta.

Originally Posted by Jackoff

So, we’re an organised men’s right’s movement?

I thought we were just a bunch of guys calling it for what it is.



Wow. Just where the fuck does this come from? I suggest it’s pure projection. Some wymminz are so caught up in how they’re perceived by others (the make-up, the clothing, the cosmetic surgery etc.) that they just cannot fathom how others don’t ascribe to their own mentality.

If you don’t behave like I do then you aren’t self-critical because I’m so insecure in myself that I need affirmation in everything I do!

Our not giving a shit about what they think really pisses them off.

Good.

I can’t speak to other MGTOW, but if anything I’m over self-critical. We kind of have to be in order not to out ourselves IRL.

Reflection is part of who I am and I’d guess it’s part of most MGTOW, otherwise why would we meet up here to discuss any issue?

But hey, we’re all just a bunch of disgruntled incels.

Bullshit.

Incels crave what women have to offer, MGTOW realise that what women have to offer is nothing other than the mistaken belief that what lies between their legs is worth giving up all that we are and becoming slaves to some fucked-up ideal that doesn’t exist.


Dr. Sara Brzuszkiewicz

Doctor of what? Compliance?

It's what I was talking about. They can't attack MGTOW truthfully. If they did, they would sound absurd. It would be like, "How dare any man opt out of marriage? Does he think it's his life or something?" It would be laughable. So they make shit up. The idea that we never have any self criticism is another absurd notion. On this forum, and on others, occasionally some misguided person might post something to the effect of, "I'm so sick of her shit, I'm about ready to belt her across the face." Without delay, on every MGTOW board I've been on, someone answers, "Don't get violent. It's not worth it." Or something to that effect. Sometimes it's a reminder that MGTOW isn't about violence, and sometimes it's about how getting violent just works against you -- or both.

We MGTOW brothers are honest if we think another MGTOW is making a mistake. Sometimes we have to remind someone, "You're still thinking like a simp." We don't agree on everything politically either.

Our haters like making everything simple. We're all right-wing extremists who worship Trump uncritically, and we're all misogynists. It's easier for them to just self-brainwash with that bullshit, and then to attack an absurd straw man of MGTOW that has nothing to do with reality.

The patriarchy is dead, and with it went men's position in a family, he's now surrogate to a bastardized family or on his own being extracted to fund and support the bastardization of family.

Whatever complaints 1st. generation/1st wave feminism had pales when it comes to the inequity and injustices perpetrated on us (modern men).

60 years and counting they advanced themselves on the carcasses of men, one after another until we all walked away, ending the cycle of suffering now expected of us without question.

MGTOW is here to stay as our numbers are far superior to any MRA organization.

Women are a place for men to surrender all our rights and trade them for endless abuse, anguish, and suffering, letting it all go and breaking away was the only "reasonable solution", and the hell with where the chips land, it's none of our business anyway, we're kicked out and kept out, what else is there than claiming sovereignty in a hostile environment of back stabbers and pocket pickers?

It's just another shaming tactic. There is obviously something wrong with us since we are not obsessed with pussy all the time and see through their shit. *Rolls eyes*

Sara Brzuszkiewicz



Dr Sara Brzuszkiewicz is the Editor in Chief of European Eye on Radicalization.
She has been post-doc researcher at Alma Mater Studiorum University (Bologna). Previously, she has been visiting researcher in the Program on Extremism at George Washington University (Washington D.C.)

She holds a PhD in Institutions and Politics (University of Sacred Heart, Milan).

Sara speaks Italian, Arabic, English, and Spanish. She holds a diploma in Terrorism Studies (Terrorism Modus Operandi) from the Centre for the Study of Terrorism and Political Violence, University of St. Andrews (2017) and diploma in Emergencies and Humanitarian Intervention from the Institute for International Political Studies of Milan (2014).

Her research interests focus on radicalization and de-radicalisation, jihadism in Europe, and involuntary celibates’ violence.


​Just in case you were wondering about the good doctor's "qualifications."

From the article:

included a tag associated with a misogynist men’s rights movement, Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW).

the ideology underlying the movement is extremely misogynist.

Misogynist? You know, you keep hearing a word too much and it starts to lose all meaning.

What, there's no right way to not like women?


As I've written elsewhere recently, a woman's viewpoint:

Misogyny: Anything that does not place women's desires above all other considerations.

With that definition arguably at one extreme end of a range of definitions, I'd next ask women what is at the other extreme end, in their thinking?

For this, perhaps ask women:

Do women recognize that men have a right to live their lives at their level of abilities and capabilities, pursuing their goals, without women?

In what ways can men ignore women and not have women call it misogyny?

In what ways can men reject women and not have women call it misogyny?

In what ways can men ignore or reject women without women complaining about it?

Can men live their lives without having women viewing their exclusion as victimhood?

Originally Posted by Skywarp

Her research interests focus on radicalization and de-radicalisation, jihadism in Europe, and involuntary celibates’ violence.

That's amusing. Looks like she is drumming up business for herself, playing the long game. If, years later, groups don't prove her expectations of them, no one will remember her articles. If anything does happen, actual or fake, she'll claim to have been an essential watchdog all along.

There's no downside to this for her, as the stigma she helps foster is born by others. MGTOW, her perceived investment in her future relevance:

Men Going Their Own Way do not seem to be tangibly violent — yet.

How essential is her role in society anyway? Some women walk dogs for a living, some do aromatherapy, some are divorce coaches, and some accentuate to make trouble by planting divisiveness among whoever will listen.

And this is where radicalization stems from: the absolute rupture between the in-group and the out-group, with the first continuously reinforcing narratives of hate about the latter and discourses of victimhood about itself.

Gee, lady, is your article the first of those continuously reinforcing narratives about a misogynist MGTOW? Not that we have seen. Thanks for helping it rupture. On other fronts, do you know how to change the oil in your car? Or do you just sit on your ass and overthink for a living?

What I love about MGTOW is we don't have to engage openly or directly with our opponents. We just do our thing and the more they push and try to malign us the more followers we seem to get. MGTOW is the truth, it's a response to the bullshit around us. Other men see this too and also choose to no longer play their game.

Men Going Their Own Way do not seem to be tangibly violent — yet.

She can't just admit that we're a non-violent lifestyle. She's so brainwashed into the "men are violent" stereotype that she can't see us any other way. She basically said, "I found no evidence that MGTOW is violent, but I'm just going to assume without evidence that they'll eventually become that way." If she bothered to do any real research, she would have found numerous posts on various MGTOW forums where we urge men not to turn to violence. It's obviously not in our interests as it destroys your freedom. If you end up locked up for assaulting someone, you can't build your life on your own. We've discouraged violence over and over, but no matter how many times we do, the feminist bigots will always associate us with violence. They've even associated us with Elliot Rodgers, who by all accounts was not a MGTOW. MGTOW wasn't even a thing, or was not well known, back when he murdered people.

Originally Posted by TigPlaze

She can't just admit that we're a non-violent lifestyle. She's so brainwashed into the "men are violent" stereotype that she can't see us any other way. She basically said, "I found no evidence that MGTOW is violent, but I'm just going to assume without evidence that they'll eventually become that way." If she bothered to do any real research, she would have found numerous posts on various MGTOW forums where we urge men not to turn to violence. It's obviously not in our interests as it destroys your freedom. If you end up locked up for assaulting someone, you can't build your life on your own. We've discouraged violence over and over, but no matter how many times we do, the feminist bigots will always associate us with violence. They've even associated us with Elliot Rodgers, who by all accounts was not a MGTOW. MGTOW wasn't even a thing, or was not well known, back when he murdered people.

They just dream of that - that "we" become violent. Not different from a wife provoking her husband over and over with impunity to jump on the first insignificant physical act in response, to call cops. Expected that this is a whole group of feminists WISHING that mgtows become a violent group. They could then attack us forever, or even label mgtow-"affiliated" people as a "terrorist" threat to have legal tools to shut everything off. I've seen disgusting things from women provoking men and the bottom of their actions has no limit, just to get something to act uppon with the legal system. IMO this is the same type of thinking there. She just seems to try to pave the way for the mgtows.

We live in an era of fascism.