Thread: I feel as though I wasn't supposed to figure any of the Red Pill Out

Is it just me or does it feel like after taking the Red Pill it's as if you saw your parents having sex in the act red handed? Kinda like "geez, I really don't think I was supposed to know this existed". Kind of like a dirty secret. I have taken the Red Pill and have just now accepted that "it is what it is" and have gotten through the Red Pill rage phase. It's just biology. We are automatons in a sense but it seems as if I have been able to break my blue pill condition almost 100% as I am alone and work alone most of the time.

So I've discovered in summary:

- "The one" doesn't exist
- Women follow a specific mating pattern that is advantageous to their mating strategy and it is "Hoe Phase" -> Beta Buck Phase -> Divorce (cash and prizes) -> Next beta for long term security into old age
- Women usually always date UP, not down
- Marrying and cohabitation in any Western country is suicide for the man
- Date casually or get a surrogate in another country if you really want a bio-kid

Now. I really think I wasn't supposed to find out 1-4 but it seems I just think too damn much.

What do you guys think?

Relationships in the West basically come down to sex. That is why looks are so important. A woman wants a man who she feels is better looking than her/can do better than herself. It is like a game for her.

Although in essence nothing has changed at least in the past a woman looked for a man who could provide, could be a good father and husband. Those are deeper qualities and in turn she would be a good wife and mother. They would work together.

Now, a man can do just about anything a woman used to do while the woman does less than women used to do and will divorce the man when she gets bored with it all.

The man will be expected to cop it sweet and pay for the kids he will seldom see and that is considered perfectly ok by Western standards. Mental health? Men committing suicide and depression?

Men should just talk about their feelings more. Men are out of touch with their feelings!

Look at those MGTOW.. they are talking about their feelings and experiences. Why can't they just shut up!! Stupid fucking Incels. They just can't get laid.

It was discovering women dating up,not down - and the horrible, rude, arrogant attitude of the women on POF, Tinder, OKC etc - an attitude WAY beyond what they had to offer themselves - wanting such a man that led me to taking the red pill. It was like finding out that the Wizard of Oz was just a little old man behind a curtain all along.

Women date up, not down. That means:

A man is expected to be over 6ft to be 'good enough' for somebody who is 5ft 2.
A man is expected to have a gym-chiselled physique and washboard abs to be 'good enough' for somebody who has a FUPA and backboobs.
A man is expected to have a high-earning job to be 'good enough' for somebody on welfare.
A man is expected to be childless to be 'good enough' to pay for a single mother's multiple offspring.
A man is expected to have a high-end car to be 'good enough' for somebody who takes the bus.
A man is expected to have a fully paid off house to be 'good enough' for somebody in Section 8 housing.

What the fuck is in it for a man? Even if a man manages to meet somebody - he is expected to be happy with a debt-riddled, obese single mother who is nothing but a financial drain and physically unappealing.

That was when I realized that the odds were stacked and I decided not to be a good little drone anymore.

I agree with the gist of your post,,,ignorance was bliss!
What's even worse, is that viewing MGTOW from a biological evolutionary perspective, as you've done, you not only realise how efficient male/female innate behavioural and relationship dynamics are, but it can be no other way to maximise survival chances in the millions of years of hominid evolution.

Having lost that wonderful Blue Pill dream of finding your NAWALT princess, which we all acknowledge is an extremely painful experience, you're more than compensated by avoiding the horrors of being emotionally or financially or legally owned by a sociopathic dictator who'll use society, the state and every means available to her to bleed every drop of resource out of you, regardless of the consequences to your life, health and mental well being.

Originally Posted by Scrawler

I agree with the gist of your post,,,ignorance was bliss!
What's even worse, is that viewing MGTOW from a biological evolutionary perspective, as you've done, you not only realise how efficient male/female innate behavioural and relationship dynamics are, but it can be no other way to maximise survival chances in the millions of years of hominid evolution.

Having lost that wonderful Blue Pill dream of finding your NAWALT princess, which we all acknowledge is an extremely painful experience, you're more than compensated by avoiding the horrors of being emotionally or financially or legally owned by a sociopathic dictator who'll use society, the state and every means available to her to bleed every drop of resource out of you, regardless of the consequences to your life, health and mental well being.

Truth. I discarded the notion of cohabitating in the garbage heap and incinerated it long ago. All bullshit. These bitches are beyond ugly, even if they're a 10. Ficticious females like Projekt Melody are pissing these bitches off, even sexdolls.

Originally Posted by N098iOPa

Is it just me or does it feel like after taking the Red Pill it's as if you saw your parents having sex in the act red handed? Kinda like "geez, I really don't think I was supposed to know this existed". Kind of like a dirty secret. I have taken the Red Pill and have just now accepted that "it is what it is" and have gotten through the Red Pill rage phase. It's just biology. We are automatons in a sense but it seems as if I have been able to break my blue pill condition almost 100% as I am alone and work alone most of the time.

So I've discovered in summary:

- "The one" doesn't exist
- Women follow a specific mating pattern that is advantageous to their mating strategy and it is "Hoe Phase" -> Beta Buck Phase -> Divorce (cash and prizes) -> Next beta for long term security into old age
- Women usually always date UP, not down
- Marrying and cohabitation in any Western country is suicide for the man
- Date casually or get a surrogate in another country if you really want a bio-kid

Now. I really think I wasn't supposed to find out 1-4 but it seems I just think too damn much.

What do you guys think?

That pretty much covers it. In short, it's a woman's goal to use a man, not to love him. Women don't even understand love, at least not as men see it. Men see love as total loyalty to your mate. I remember feeling this loyalty intensely. When I was in high school, I was the handsome guy who was fit and played the guitar in rock bands. I didn't do any drugs or alcohol because I correctly surmised that that interferes with your music performance abilities. Girls like the guitar player guy. They were all totally after me. However, once I had picked the one I wanted, she was who I wanted. Inevitably, some other girl would show interest, and it was often someone very pretty. Did I experience some temptation? Sure, I have instincts. But my beliefs totally overrode those instincts. I was loyal to my girl. The thought of fucking around on her behind her back made me feel sick.

I had always assumed that women had that same loyalty, or maybe even more so. But they don't, at least not today. When I realized that a woman would always upgrade if given the chance, I was disgusted. I used to think that only certain women would use a man for money, but I kept encountering that kind over and over. It turned out that that's just the way women are. AWALT. That also disgusted me. So for me, getting red pilled started with disgust and then become intense anger. I've let go of most of the anger by now, but even today if I see a concrete example of a woman's shitty behavior, I sometimes feel some anger.

The biggest one yet missing in your list is women don't love men, they can't love men. This should bring you to the realization of your own disposability. That's what sets you free.

All that beta/alpha nonsense is sour grapes in my opinion...men moping around that women don't want to play with them anymore, feeling sorry because women would rather play with the jocks. All sour grapes. All nauseating.

Women treat men like shit but expect him to do it all for her; money, sex, kids, resources and so on.

My family is showing signs of getting a little bit better with me and my autism disorder, but 30 years of being picked on, treated like crap, embarrassing me and having fights, I say the relationship with them is done.

Female hiring managers are absolute bitches. They treat me like they really don't want me to work, but bitch that I have no previous experience. One of them at Kohl's said when I was 23 that I will never get a job and that I should pick up trash in my local parks instead of offering me the shipping/receiving job. That's just one example. I rather be interviewed by a man. At least I have better odds of landing a job, or walk out feeling confident.

If I can't handle female family members and female employers, how can I possibly deal with a girlfriend or wife and kids? I never dated even once, not married, no kids, but I'm happy with my life for the most part.

Oh yeah, buddy, I know that feeling well. In the most "literary" of senses, the Redpill is "occult" knowledge. "Occult" means hidden, suppressed, denied-by-society type knowledge. It is knowledge and practices that are deemed detrimental to society, and therefore shunned and hidden. I don't know if you ever read any lore from Warhammer: 40000, but the existence of the Imperium (human civilization) is utterly dependent on people "not knowing" about the Chaos Gods. Because even that knowledge itself corrupts the soul and almost certainly leads to damnation, cultural revolution, and literal invasions by monsters from beyond hell. And there is an entire Inquisition created specifically to kill people who -do- know, with the motto: "Innocence proves Nothing" because the knowledge really is just that goddamn dangerous.

And the Redpill, particularly MGTOW, is that kind of knowledge. Whether women like it or not, the Patriarchy was designed to protect them from marauding fuckboys, and promote a social order stable enough to build a civilization upon. And it worked. It was by no means perfect, but it ACTUALLY worked. That's why the world we see is descended from Patriarchal cultures.... because those were the only cultures that -survived- the test of time and the elements. Now that women have abandoned gender-roles, rejected traditions and basically criminalized (at least in the court of public opinion) patriarchal practices; the societies that were built on those practices are beginning to collapse.

You see, roughly 99.9% of all a societies labor is just construction and maintainance... that's why Innovations took so goddamn long, because pretty much everyone was just stuck "trying to keep the lights on" for all of history. Trying to make sure there was food available to the hungry, shelter available for the cold, shoes for the childrens feet... all that. It's a sign of our rampant success that we've now reached an age where innovations are coming on faster than we can reasonably cope with. All those centuries of toil were leading up to -this-. And now, ofcourse, that the hard work has been done, the sweat expended, the lives lost... now that we've achieved a society wherein even the homeless have solid roads to walk down, and dumpsters full of food, and ashtrays full of shorties for those who can't afford smokes (this is how I survived when I was homeless)... Now that we've achieved SO MUCH on their behalf..

Well now they have decided that it's "time for us to go". Much like the Chinese immigrants who built the railroads in the 19th century, and were run out of town once the railroads were done...

Tim Pool is a youtube news-caster... bluepill, but a cool guy. And he was telling a story recently about how he put the question on Twitter; that if we abolished "work" and supply chains go down, where will the Woke get their milk? And the Woke answer was, I shit you not, "from the store." He said, "no, no... I mean, where will you get it if the trucks stop running?" And they kept answering "At the store, the milk is at the store."

It took him a while to realize that in these peoples minds, milk just magically -grew- at the store. That's the best way I can put it. They had no concept of how supply-chains, or shelf-stocking, or any of that took place. They literally thought that -it just happened- . This is part of the problem that we are dealing with... The Anti-Work "eat the rich" intersectional feminist crowd is so completely divorced from reality, so caught up in Apex Fallacy (where men are just handed-out CEO jobs simply for having a dick) that they aren't even competent to provide for themselves or others. And guess who the driving force behind all this (the political mass) is?


Yep, college-educated feminists...

There's a video out there, of a feminist professor and her daughter having a "whose better, men or women?" contest with her husband and son. And it's really lame, as soon as the boy says "men are bigger and stronger", she accuses him of bullying (her OWN son). Her response is, that 'in the world we live in, -how- does that matter, -when- is strength an advantage?"

The answer (not their answer, but the real answer), is: Everywhere ALL THE TIME. Cause trucks don't drive themselves, shelves don't stock themselves, etc. But she couldn't comprehend it... she thought it just HAPPENED.

Society is utterly dependent on the labor of men (as well as women) for the sake of mere preservation. And these women are now, after/while reaping the benefits of our society, are attacking those whose labor keeps society in motion (men.) They do not see, that by destroying men they are destroying their own future... They are just so caught up in "pwning the men-folk" that they're basically fucking the ENTIRE WORLD over in their quest for domination and control. And when men stop laboring on women's behalf.

BOOM!

So no, you -aren't- supposed to know about this. But you do. So take heart, and make the best out of your life.

Originally Posted by Kryptic

Relationships in the West basically come down to sex. That is why looks are so important. A woman wants a man who she feels is better looking than her/can do better than herself. It is like a game for her.

Although in essence nothing has changed at least in the past a woman looked for a man who could provide, could be a good father and husband. Those are deeper qualities and in turn she would be a good wife and mother. They would work together.

Now, a man can do just about anything a woman used to do while the woman does less than women used to do and will divorce the man when she gets bored with it all.

The man will be expected to cop it sweet and pay for the kids he will seldom see and that is considered perfectly ok by Western standards. Mental health? Men committing suicide and depression?

Men should just talk about their feelings more. Men are out of touch with their feelings!

Look at those MGTOW.. they are talking about their feelings and experiences. Why can't they just shut up!! Stupid fucking Incels. They just can't get laid.

That's exactly it.
Don't talk about your feelings: Toxic masculinity.
Talk about your feelings: Oh, how dare you.

Originally Posted by WXA

All the character building that I went through, all the learning, all the hard work, all of the being a good guy, all of the staying on the correct track in life, none of it seemed to matter very much.

It didn't seem to matter much in your dating experience but what an incredible investment it was in developing your character and in improving your life. The fact that you had the drive to do this speaks volumes as a man. Fuck those harpies, you invested in yourself and it paid off where it really counts.

Last night my best friend (who is over for several days for New Year's) and I were watching Bad Santa 2, and there was a scene where the midget dated a fat female security guard at a fancy restaurant. She had a big expensive lobster and wine (I don't know what he had), but later when it came to getting sex, she turns him down, saying that Marcus isn't his type. She prefers older men instead of dwarfs. So she had a free expensive lobster dinner date and turned down Marcus when it came to getting some pussy.

Women; they're all the same!

Originally Posted by TigPlaze

That's exactly it.
Don't talk about your feelings: Toxic masculinity.
Talk about your feelings: Oh, how dare you.

It's what led me to realize I am Black Pill and have been for a while. No matter what, we will be seen as wrong. So be it. It is license for me to do as I please.

Originally Posted by ResidentEvil7

Last night my best friend (who is over for several days for New Year's) and I were watching Bad Santa 2, and there was a scene where the midget dated a fat female security guard at a fancy restaurant. She had a big expensive lobster and wine (I don't know what he had), but later when it came to getting sex, she turns him down, saying that Marcus isn't his type. She prefers older men instead of dwarfs. So she had a free expensive lobster dinner date and turned down Marcus when it came to getting some pussy.


Women; they're all the same!

That's nut. Women think they deserve a Chad/Tyrone after getting a free meal! I'm done with women. I might change my status to Bachelor/Mgtow, and explore my options as a man, and doing whatever I want.

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Originally Posted by WXA

Let me put it this way:

In a way, it stinks to find out about the red pill. It stinks in that it can lead a guy to give up on his previous dreams, big dreams. Often some of his most important dreams.

But you know what stinks even worse? NOT finding out about the red pill! I wasted so much time and effort trying to date, and honestly the whole system treated me terribly in return, basically as pretty much worthless. If I hadn't found out about the red pill, I might have wasted even more time. I might have even blamed myself for my dating failure, when in fact the dating is simply all about the looks -- you either got them, you can get them with work, or you can't get them even with work. All the stuff I was told about being a good person and studying and getting a good job -- they make you a good person otherwise, but not much value for dating. Well, I suppose if it leads to a good job, and someone buys a huge house and new expensive car, they might get some attention in dating, but that's not attraction to them but to the lifestyle. And even if the guy somehow tricked himself that the woman is attracted to him, it's still way, way too much money to spend to get attention in dating.

For all my troubles, I got just a small number of romantic relationships. I'm not some loser -- I worked hard in life. The whole thing was like an insult to me. I remember the guys back in the college that were dating -- often the Chad type, or something close, or some variation on Chad. It never seemed to be about being a good, responsible guy (well, almost never), the type of guy that the women could build a future with. All the character building that I went through, all the learning, all the hard work, all of the being a good guy, all of the staying on the correct track in life, none of it seemed to matter very much.

After learning about the red pill, it all made sense. It also pretty much ruined dating for me, probably permanently. My options now for dating would probably be:
A. Someone I wouldn't be attracted to, or would be barely attracted to, yet I would still have the responsibilities and effort required for any romantic relationship.
B. Someone who is attractive, but has so many problems that they can't get the type of guy that they really want.
C. Someone who pretends to like me, but is secretly after the lifestyle that I can provide for them, and would expect me to waste all kinds of money trying to make them happy.

It's pretty sad, and it's too bad that such a big part of life (supposedly) got spoiled for me.

That being said, it's really not learning about the red pill that stinks -- it's that the world is that way. That's what actually stinks. The red pill is just opening your eyes to something that stinks anyway, whether you knew about it or not.

Originally Posted by ResidentEvil7

Women treat men like shit but expect him to do it all for her; money, sex, kids, resources and so on.

My family is showing signs of getting a little bit better with me and my autism disorder, but 30 years of being picked on, treated like crap, embarrassing me and having fights, I say the relationship with them is done.

Female hiring managers are absolute bitches. They treat me like they really don't want me to work, but bitch that I have no previous experience. One of them at Kohl's said when I was 23 that I will never get a job and that I should pick up trash in my local parks instead of offering me the shipping/receiving job. That's just one example. I rather be interviewed by a man. At least I have better odds of landing a job, or walk out feeling confident.

If I can't handle female family members and female employers, how can I possibly deal with a girlfriend or wife and kids? I never dated even once, not married, no kids, but I'm happy with my life for the most part.

Screw those cunts. Start your own business.

Originally Posted by mdjs89skl

Screw those cunts. Start your own business.

That is one of my 2022 resolutions. I want to start an at-home business doing what I enjoy doing and that's working out, selling supplements from companies I buy from for my intake, and building websites (I own a few sites like Ninja Turtles, Resident Evil, Tomb Raider and The Man's Zone). I saw YouTube videos from this channel called Ralli Roots and it shows a married couple (yes, I know) go to good will and thrift stores and buy cheap and resell on eBay for a big profit.

I just sure hope my ideas I'm researching works out for me this time, because I failed 6 years ago with one. I love computers and Best Buy technology, especially building/replacing PC parts/and programming PC desktops. Back in 2016, I did research on what it would take to make money building custom gaming rigs. I bought $1,000 worth of good brand PC parts (Kingston, Corsair, ASUS), put it together, formatted it and put it on eBay for $1,500. Trouble was is people weren't willing to buy at my price for the gaming PC. Every month for over a year I kept dropping my price until I got a buyer. At some point I had to price it lower than what I invested in it and I got a buyer at $500 + $45 shipping. After the actual cost of shipping ($94), eBay fees (?), PayPal fee, I lost a lot of money and a year of my time on eBay. That dream died that day.