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    I despise the right-wing politicians and feminists equally

    Not a friend of the antiabortion goons / not a friend of the feminists

    Every now and then you gotta scratch that itch. You see a hot, sexy, shapely woman, and instinct makes you want to bang her. Of course, there's nothing wrong with that. You're normal. However, if you jizzed into her twat, you could knock her up and be stuck paying her practically all your money for 18 years. Or she could infect you with some awful STD that transforms you into a big, hairy, snarly-and-growling, fire-breathing monster that lifts cars over his head and throws them at people.

    It's not worth it to fertilize some cunt, so I usually just lube up my nice fleshlight and penetrate that surrogate snatch with my hard schlong. I jizz with the force of a firehose, sending that fleshlight flying across the room like a bullet, imbedding inself into the drywall. I've been really horny lately, so I've got about 8 or 9 different fleshlights imbedded in my living room wall. I'm going to need to get busy and pry all those loose and then re-drywall the place, but that's not the point.

    The point is, the DNA in all that jizz I left in my wank-cups has all the building blocks of human life. It would be possible to take that DNA and make a clone of me. It's human DNA, my DNA, but it's not a walking, breathing human being. It's just jizz. But if I did blast that jizz into a woman's slit, fertilizing her, that zygote isn't significantly different from my jizz that drips from my wall-imbedded fleshlights. It's human DNA that could make a person, but at this point, it's not a person. It's a group of cells with human DNA. It can't think, breath, or anything, any more than my gooey spunk can. It's not a viable human being. It's just some cells.

    So if a woman wants to get rid of that zygote from her body, I don't see that as any different than when I had a wart I had removed from behind my ear. That shit has all my DNA in it capable of building a human being, but it's not a separate entity. It's not a human that can think. I could have a big, grotesque wart on my hairy ass and, well, I would get that shit removed. Shit that's gross, but let's say I didn't, and then I up and croaked. Well so they put my body into the ground, ass wart and all, and it's in a really cold climate like Alaska, so it stays frozen. Then something 20 thousand years later, some archaeologist is digging stuff up and he encounters my wart-assed body. Maybe he wants to know what humans were like all those years ago, so he extracts my DNA. If he has the tech, he could make a clone of me. Once that clone is amongst the living, it's a viable human being. It would wrong to murder it. But when it was just a wart on my ass, it would not have been murder. It would just a part of my body with human DNA, and I can have some doc or nurse smash liquid nitrogen into it, freezing it off if I want to.

    Some damn zygote isn't any different than a wart on your ass. The right-wing politicians always shove religion in your face, and one belief that they shove is "life begins at conception." They have this belief in a magic thing called a soul that starts up, and you would be a murderer if you got rid of the zygote that supposedly has a soul. What a crock of shit! The ass-wipe politicians don't even believe that shit, but they know they can use that belief to manipulate religious people into voting for them.

    The right-wing politicians don't give a flying fuck about the supposed "unborn." The truth is something like 98 percent of abortions happen in the first trimester, way before the fetus has even the remotest chance of attaining viability. The other two percent happen in the second trimester.

    So there is no such huge massacre of babies that the right-wing dirtbag politicians would have you believe. That's just their way to manipulate people into voting for them and giving them power. They're the same assholes who bellyached that wearing a cloth mask or getting vaccinated was an invasion of bodily rights, but being forced to allow a zygote to grow inside you till its a baby is okay.

    They've gotten more extreme. When I was in high school, they claimed that a rape victim should just use the morning after pill to make sure she doesn't end up pregnant. Now they claim that even that morning after pill is an abortion and is murder. It's absurd. Taking a fucking morning after pill isn't murder anymore than my jizzing in all those fleshlight cunts is. I can assure you that, I'm not feeling any guilt over spunking into all those TPE twats. Now if my firehose-jizz rocketed my fleshlight across the room and it slammed into someone's head killing them, then that would be a problem. It would at least be manslaughter. Plus, I would be a major lamer for wanking while someone else was in the room. But the jizz dripping from those silicone snatches is not any kind of problem at all … well, other than the mess.

    The right-wing trash is just manipulating religious people via their “life begins at conception” religious belief. I absolutely loathe and despise the feminists, but they're right about this one thing. Banning abortion is an anti-freedom thing to do. Don't get me wrong. Just because I agree with the feminists on one thing does not give me much sympathy for them. No feminist has ever respected men's reproductive rights. If they did, they would oppose spermjacking where a woman knocks herself up by taking sperm from the condom when the dude's back is turned. They would oppose women defrauding men into parenthood, either by lying about being on birth control or by just writing his name on a birth certificate when he's not really the father.

    Feminists have ZERO respect for men's rights, and they even brand anyone fighting for men's rights as some kind of misogynist. Feminists have treated men like shit for decades, totally shitting on their allies. Now they want our help. The truth is, the feminists are just as bad as the right-wing wacko politicians who have fucked them over. Feminists have a tremendous amount in common with far-right extremists. They both blindly follow dogma, and they're both fanatics.

    If I had it my way, I would take all of our right-wing asshole politicians and all of our bitchy, hateful feminists and maroon them together on the same island. Then I would arm them all to the teeth with fully automatic AK-47s and plenty of ammo. I despise them all equally and wish they would just kill each other. Leave the sane people who don't want to join either cult to live in peace.
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    Re: I despise the right-wing politicians and feminists equally

    So do I. Not only because this right x left political bullshit is already a 18th century thing that are not so useful nowadays. Right and left politics are mostly based on religious and socialist ideologies, respectively, and most people nowadays realize that both of them are mostly non-sense utopias. But people are obligated to choose one of them as political side since there is no better popular options yet (especially for Mgtows).

    I believe that new technologies like Virtual Reality, Biotechnologies and A.I.s will create new ways of life and then new political ideologies (and some of them could be good for Mgtows). But for the moment, we have to deal with this retard left-right-left-right wheel.
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    Re: I despise the right-wing politicians and feminists equally

    I agree somewhat with your point of view. A bunch of cells is not a being.
    Yet I am equally suspicious of leftwing politicians.
    Do remember how this US abortion issues resurfaced: when some people wanted abortion some weeks AFTER BIRTH, .i.e., killing babies.

    https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2022...fanticide-bill

    That has made people aware that the goalpost is constantly moving. Late pregnancy abortions became acceptable, and people started asking themselves what do some weeks change:
    -Some weeks before birth?
    -Some weeks after birth?

    Yet, because most people are not there to see the horrors of these medical procedures, only killing a born baby seems to make a difference.

    Now, I am not saying women should not be able to abort fetuses until some medical defined period. But in an age of countless conterconceptives, it should not be necessary.

    Yet the "rare and unusual" procedure that was sold in the beginning has grown to 50 million a year worldwide: https://www.worldometers.info/abortions/

    We know what it is, female lack of forethought and accountability, leading to abortion just being another conterconceptive.

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    Re: I despise the right-wing politicians and feminists equally

    Quote Originally Posted by Manfred View Post
    I agree somewhat with your point of view. A bunch of cells is not a being.
    Yet I am equally suspicious of leftwing politicians.
    Do remember how this US abortion issues resurfaced: when some people wanted abortion some weeks AFTER BIRTH, .i.e., killing babies.

    https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2022...fanticide-bill

    That has made people aware that the goalpost is constantly moving. Late pregnancy abortions became acceptable, and people started asking themselves what do some weeks change:
    -Some weeks before birth?
    -Some weeks after birth?

    Yet, because most people are not there to see the horrors of these medical procedures, only killing a born baby seems to make a difference.

    Now, I am not saying women should not be able to abort fetuses until some medical defined period. But in an age of countless conterconceptives, it should not be necessary.

    Yet the "rare and unusual" procedure that was sold in the beginning has grown to 50 million a year worldwide: https://www.worldometers.info/abortions/

    We know what it is, female lack of forethought and accountability, leading to abortion just being another conterconceptive.
    I would never support an absurdly late abortion like an 8-month, 3-week one or some shit like that. By then it is a viable baby. I also haven't heard of this after-born abortion thing. That, in fact, is a contradiction in terms. Once a baby is born, killing it would simply be killing it. It can't be aborted because it's no longer in the womb. If some lunatic is for killing already born babies, they ought to be locked up.

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    Re: I despise the right-wing politicians and feminists equally

    Your jizz on the wall or paper towel isn't fertilized, so comparing it to a fertilized fetus undergoing a gradual gestation is nihil. Those are completely different things. According to CDC, about 1.3 percent of abortions were performed at or greater than 21 weeks of gestation. In contrast, 91.1 percent were performed at or before 13 weeks and 7.6 percent at 14 to 20 weeks.

    Now, let's examine the development of a fetus at 12 to 13 weeks.

    If you could see inside your belly, you would be able to tell whether you are having a son or daughter! Your baby’s gender was of course set at conception but this week, the external sexual organs are visible. Your baby’s face is becoming increasingly refined and their vocal chords are starting to develop. It will take a few more months before baby can use them for the first time! The eyes that were completely open until this point are now closed day and night. The eyelids protect the eyes that are still developing.
    Your baby’s heart has been beating for a few weeks but you will hear it for the first time when you visit your midwife or OB GYN.
    And there is another milestone: that at 12 weeks. From now, the chance of a miscarriage has decreased considerably.
    https://www.thewonderweeks.com/pregn...nancy-week-12/

    Now at 13 weeks...

    Your baby is now 2.91 inches and weighs 0.81 ounces. Baby is already a complete person. At the end of this week, baby will have everything that they need inside and out, though of course your baby is still too small to be born. Baby has developed all the body components and will spend the coming months growing bigger, stronger and then growing even more.
    https://www.thewonderweeks.com/pregn...nancy-week-13/

    At 12 weeks, the fetus has developed a functioning brain...

    Your fetus will begin the process of developing a brain around week 5, but it isn’t until week 6 or 7 when the neural tube closes and the brain separates into three parts, that the real fun begins.
    Around week 5, your baby’s brain, spinal cord, and heart begin to develop. Your baby’s brain is part of the central nervous system, which also houses the spinal cord. There are three key components of a baby’s brain to consider. These include:



    • Cerebrum: Thinking, remembering, and feeling occurs in this part of the brain.
    • Cerebellum: This part of the brain is responsible for motor control, which allows the baby to move their arms and legs, among other things.
    • Brain stem: Keeping the body alive is the primary role of the brain stem. This includes breathing, heartbeat, and blood pressure.
    https://www.healthline.com/health/wh...-brain#anatomy

    Also, recent studies have shown that at 12 weeks the unborn has developed the capacity to feel pain

    “Overall, the evidence, and a balanced reading of the evidence, points towards an immediate and unreflective pain experience mediated by the developing function of the nervous system as early as 12 weeks.”
    https://lozierinstitute.org/new-stud...n-at-12-weeks/

    Now let's say you're right, that abortion is only carried out on first-trimester pregnancies which are in the majority and are totally insignificant, how about the remaining full-term abortions? Aren't those legitimate humans enough to reconsider overturning abortion practices, and what would you consider their eradication if it isn't murder?

    My stance on this issue is far from religious as I'm an atheist (and I disdain referring to myself as such given the types of people I've met over the years who refer to themselves as atheists), so my argument here shouldn't be conflated with those of conservatives.

    I think man's ability to underestimate tragedy when he's far removed from it is something worth considering when discussing issues like this. I love meat, I've always eaten meat, and even though I eat more fish these days I don't see myself ever stopping consuming those delicious delicacies, however, when I watched the documentary Dominion it shows a despicable level human cruelty can rise. We all sit at our tables and have our once-living food with no second thought of how they were prepared or how they got there. At that point, they aren't living entities anymore, and as far as we are concerned they never were. I say that to say this,...that many people who cry for abortion rights or capital punishment are able to do so mainly because they are ignorant of the tragedy taking place. It's not until they have front-row seat to these happenings do they see and feel true human suffering.

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    Re: I despise the right-wing politicians and feminists equally

    Hi Tig,

    I loved your O.P. for its humour. Not so sold on the message though.

    Life does indeed begin at conception. This is a medical fact. Comparing it to a wart on your ass is graphically alluring but scientifically unsound.

    Saying that anti-abortionists tend to be right-wing religious fanatics has merit but it isn’t the whole of the story. This is mostly a U.S. based observation, but what of the rest of us?

    I’m not American. As for politics, I despise all sides (almost) equally. I’m also an atheist. Yet I am anti-abortion so how do I fit into your profile?

    A wart is a wart. Yes it contains your DNA and maybe a clone could be made from it, but since a wart is a disfigurement I’d hate to see the results.

    As to your (or my) jizz, I’ll concede it may be considered life but left to its own devices it will not prosper. Splayed across a wall or left in the ball-bag it is doomed to perish fairly quickly.

    The cause for concern is about intent.

    The wanton desire to kill. Sometimes this is warranted, for example if the mother’s life is jeopardised in some way – we have a right to defend ourselves do we not?

    As for rape resulting in pregnancy (as was mentioned recently in another thread), I have to admit I’m in two minds about this.

    On the one hand the woman should not have to suffer years of anguish because of an abuse that she would have to live over and over every time she thought of or looked at her offspring.

    On the other hand, does one person’s anguish justify the taking of another’s life?

    I tend to come down on the side of the right to abortion in this case, but it’s something I’m uncomfortable with.

    As for the rest: the taking of a life is the taking of a life. As I said it’s about intent. Why cloud it in in terms of viability? If left alone to gestate it will eventually become a baby. That baby will eventually grow to be a toddler. That toddler will eventually grow to be a teenager and then an adult.

    A foetus is a human being that is just in an earlier stage of development, not much different to a toddler as compared to an adult. They are different yes, but they are basically the same.

    If one condones abortion on demand, they are condoning the taking of human life on a whim.

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    Re: I despise the right-wing politicians and feminists equally

    The older I get the more conservative I get. I don't give a flying turkey about feminists. Do they care about me? Hell to the naw. It's not even that big of a deal. They can easily travel to another state and get an abortion. I find it funny they are willing to travel hundreds of miles across multiple states to meet some guy but not for any other reason.

    Fuck off feminists. Now you got a very small taste of how men feel every freaking day!
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    Re: I despise the right-wing politicians and feminists equally

    Quote Originally Posted by Hedon View Post


    I think man's ability to underestimate tragedy when he's far removed from it is something worth considering when discussing issues like this.
    [...]

    We all sit at our tables and have our once-living food with no second thought of how they were prepared or how they got there.
    That is indeed the main question, the moral issues that derive from us being to far from the natural world.
    Most people never killed an animal, or had to open it to prepare a meal from it.

    I live in a yet rural area, and we used to have a traditional "killing of the pig". People would raise a pig and kill it at their own home. In the old days the squealing of the dying animal was normal and a good part of the party. He would die from blood loss, with the blood being coleted to make blood sausage (my favorites).

    Now people have little stomach for it.

    Yet people eat more pork than ever. Where does it come from?

    Industrial slaughtering is still slaughter. We just don't see it. We expect others to do it so that we have clean hands and a innocent sense of morality.

    Did anyone stop to consider the procedure of an abortion? Do the people that support it ever considered being the one executing the procedure and scrapping the fetus out of a womb, or vacuum him out in pieces?

    It puts in question the mental state of women undergoing this experience, either they have no kind of scrupulous or they get messed up.

    No, I am not saying they have no right to do it in a medically defined time. But doing it lightly? And making it as it is nothing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manfred View Post
    Now people have little stomach for it.

    Yet people eat more pork than ever. Where does it come from?
    From China, probably.

    On a serious note though I don't think women are unaware. There was a time when i gave them a benefit of a doubt.
    No more. How come they don't know yet recently have pushed for abortion till conceivement? I know a country where abortion is illegal but you only gain right to live with your first breath. Do you know how do they abort there? By DROWNING.

    I have once seen an interview with satanist (don't have source). He said that satanism isn't about praying to some stupid entity with horns and bident. Satanim is the act of puting yourself in a place of God.

    If so, modern women are the embodiment of satanism.

    They play as a God creating life and destroying it at will.
    They are never wrong because God doesn't make mistakes.
    They want to be worshipped because that's what a God truly deserves.

    Their children, their bodies, their assets but not their fault - this is the way of a modern woman.


    I do not believe that the issue lays in accesibility and unawareness.
    This behaviour is only possible because women no longer value men.
    Everything we do, they take for granted.
    They no longer know crisis, crime or war.
    They don't know how it is to be hungry or live without a roof over your head.
    When third word countries struggle with obtaining clean drinking water,
    we take a dump into this water. That's the extent of how good we have it here.

    They don't realise that. They are now strong, independent and need no men.
    For ages supressed by evil patriarchy now they are finally free.
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    Re: I despise the right-wing politicians and feminists equally

    Quote Originally Posted by Manfred View Post
    the squealing of the dying animal
    This reminds me of when, in the early 60s, I was living in the island of Okinawa as a small boy. We lived in the village with the Okinawans/Japanese, no American neighbors.

    Every day after school the American school bus dropped me off on the main road then I would walk the short distance to our house, walking past a small butcher shop. Most often, there was a pig in the display window facing the street, cut up into pieces and wrapped for sale. The skin was still on it and I could see its coarse texture and the dirt. The hooves still present.

    One day after school as I walked by the shop, I looked back over my shoulder as someone came out with a small pig, holding it by the hind legs, raising it up high into the air. It all happened so fast. As the arc of his arm swiftly brought the pig downward to the pavement, I turned my head away just in time, hearing only the squeal, which I have never forgotten, btw.

    I kept my head forward and continued home, not looking back. The next day I saw another little piggy in the window.

    The shopkeeper was not concerned that I, a small boy, was there to see it. This is how it was.

    I saw some pretty fundamental living, there in the village in the early 60's, less than 20 years after the bloody Battle of Okinawa.
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    Re: I despise the right-wing politicians and feminists equally

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    This reminds me of when, in the early 60s, I was living in the island of Okinawa as a small boy. We lived in the village with the Okinawans/Japanese, no American neighbors.

    Every day after school the American school bus dropped me off on the main road then I would walk the short distance to our house, walking past a small butcher shop. Most often, there was a pig in the display window facing the street, cut up into pieces and wrapped for sale. The skin was still on it and I could see its coarse texture and the dirt. The hooves still present.

    One day after school as I walked by the shop, I looked back over my shoulder as someone came out with a small pig, holding it by the hind legs, raising it up high into the air. It all happened so fast. As the arc of his arm swiftly brought the pig downward to the pavement, I turned my head away just in time, hearing only the squeal, which I have never forgotten, btw.

    I kept my head forward and continued home, not looking back. The next day I saw another little piggy in the window.

    The shopkeeper was not concerned that I, a small boy, was there to see it. This is how it was.

    I saw some pretty fundamental living, there in the village in the early 60's, less than 20 years after the bloody Battle of Okinawa.
    Wow! Just today I heard some creature getting eaten by another! You can tell by it's blood curdling screams! It was over pretty quick. Something was something else's dinner! How ironic...
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    Why would you kill the baby, but let the rapist live?
    An escort is a woman you occasionally financially support only when she has sex with you.

    A date is a woman you occasionally financially support in the hope she will have sex with you.

    A wife is a woman you constantly financially support even when she is not having sex with you.

    An ex-wife is a woman you constantly financially support with alimony so she can have sex......with someone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    I turned my head away just in time, hearing only the squeal, which I have never forgotten, btw.
    THAT was what I was talking about, unfortunately only those that witnessed it can understand.

    I remember reading a story about illegal abortion (when they wanted to legalise abortion in my country) where the removed fetus started squealing.
    I remember thinking on how this helped defending abortion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manfred View Post
    THAT was what I was talking about, unfortunately only those that witnessed it can understand.

    I remember reading a story about illegal abortion (when they wanted to legalise abortion in my country) where the removed fetus started squealing.
    I remember thinking on how this helped defending abortion...
    New York wants to give women the right to make them "squeal" up to 28 days after birth.

    I want to know what form of execution will they allow? Will it be choking, poison injection, electrocution, or drop them in a tub meat grinder? These hell bent hyper liberal gun grabbing maniacs don't think anything through, they just keep pressing more and more until ghoulish gore and human tragedy becomes the norm.

    The guards and their superiors are in desperate need of immediate replacement.

    Nothing will change for the better until they repeal or revoke the 19th amendment. Until then, civil pandemonium will continue to be the norm. So, until the 19th is repealed, kick back, relax, and watch society melt down to flaming goo in their beloved socialist arch furnace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    New York wants to give women the right to make them "squeal" up to 28 days after birth.

    I want to know what form of execution will they allow? Will it be choking, poison injection, electrocution, or drop them in a tub meat grinder? These hell bent hyper liberal gun grabbing maniacs don't think anything through, they just keep pressing more and more until ghoulish gore and human tragedy becomes the norm.

    The guards and their superiors are in desperate need of immediate replacement.

    Nothing will change for the better until they repeal or revoke the 19th amendment. Until then, civil pandemonium will continue to be the norm. So, until the 19th is repealed, kick back, relax, and watch society melt down to flaming goo in their beloved socialist arch furnace.
    That would be plain murder of innocent babies. I don't see this getting implemented in the law. On the other hand, it is very telling that these people know no limits anymore, visible for everyone who doesn't turn his head away from it.

    There is a good citation of a well known German social democrat, Rosa Luxemburg (1871-1919) - she was involved in the founding of the communist party of Germany:

    "Disregard for life and brutality against man reveal man's capacity for inhumanity. It cannot and must not be a means of any conflict resolution."

    It very much shows that the Left has changed. They sold their soul and their core beliefs to corporations and governments. Feminism, as weaponized arm of gynocentrism, is in its nature closer to a capitalistic ideology. Feminism's only interest is to give as much benefits and privileges to women like capitalism's only interest is to give as much benefits and privileges to people with capital.

    Secondly, feminism is in its core totalitarian, the goal is to infiltrate and control all aspects of people's life. As much as you can hardly live without money, feminism wants you to not be able to live without the extra dose of feminist dogma.

    Thirdly, corporations and governments know that in several years women will outearn men. They will also be the "more educated" aka the "more indoctrinated", which makes them suitable for positions of further indoctrination (kindergardens, schools, colleges, universities, business equality programs, politics, etc.). That's another reason why politicians make politics for women, by now their tongues must be brown. It's a symbiosis between a gynocentric mass of dumb idiots defending their Blue Pill fantasy life, profit-above-all-others capitalistic corporations and asslicking, want-to-be-elected-again politicians and government puppets.

    In other words, before the right for women to vote is revoked, men will loose their right to vote. Remember, feminism is totalitarian. They won't stop on their own and surely not because of rational arguments.

    The dilemma here is what to do in this kind of situation? If you go along with this ideology, you will enable and indirectly support it. If you fight against it, you will have most of the people, the corporations and governments against you. If you do nothing, you will maybe will get accused to not have taken action to better the situation.

    Nevertheless, the third option is best for MGTOWs.
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    Re: I despise the right-wing politicians and feminists equally

    Quote Originally Posted by Manfred View Post
    That is indeed the main question, the moral issues that derive from us being to far from the natural world.
    Most people never killed an animal, or had to open it to prepare a meal from it.

    I live in a yet rural area, and we used to have a traditional "killing of the pig". People would raise a pig and kill it at their own home. In the old days the squealing of the dying animal was normal and a good part of the party. He would die from blood loss, with the blood being coleted to make blood sausage (my favorites).

    Now people have little stomach for it.

    Yet people eat more pork than ever. Where does it come from?

    Industrial slaughtering is still slaughter. We just don't see it. We expect others to do it so that we have clean hands and a innocent sense of morality.
    This is why I've been trying to cut down on eating meat as much. That something must die in order for me to have my fill is bad enough but the manner in which those poor animals slaughtered or "catered" to while alive is just too much to bare sometimes when I think about it. Watching that documentary Dominion was a blow to the gut (no pun intended) but I'd rather know the brutal truth than not.

    What's worse is the animals people torture for mere entertainment...which has been going on throughout history

    Did anyone stop to consider the procedure of an abortion? Do the people that support it ever considered being the one executing the procedure and scrapping the fetus out of a womb, or vacuum him out in pieces?
    Starting with the crushing of the skull...
    “Don't let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner” - Neil McCauley, Heat (1995).

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    Re: I despise the right-wing politicians and feminists equally

    There is no politician of either party advocating the so-called "after-birth abortion." There's no such thing. What they did was they took out of context some text of a philosophical debate by professors in Melbourne, Australia, and applied it to American liberals. There is no politician in the United States, or in any country, that advocates such a thing. Even in Australia, those were not politicians discussing policy. Those were professors engaging in a hypothetical discussion.

    This is why I despise the right-wing assholes in the United States. They're always grossly and absurdly distorting the truth. This is far from the first time. They've run nonsense on Fox News over and over. Fox is basically a Joseph Goebbels-style propaganda channel that has nothing at all to do with news. They dreamed up the "after-birth abortion" nonsense, and their gullible worhippers/subscribers ate it up.

    They're a bunch of dogmatic zealots who don't care about the truth. They're just like the feminists. I refuse to join either cult.

    Snopes debunked this nonsense:
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/after-birth-abortion/

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    Re: I despise the right-wing politicians and feminists equally

    Quote Originally Posted by TigPlaze View Post
    There is no politician of either party advocating the so-called "after-birth abortion." There's no such thing.
    I understand what you say, the law was not DIRECTLY to allow killing babies after birth, but rather DECRIMINALIZING IT. That was the reason I mentioned "slippery slops."

    https://www.factcheck.org/2022/04/ca...e-infanticide/

    The law itself says:
    People also need to end pregnancies by abortion, including self-managed abortion, which means ending one’s own pregnancy outside of the medical system.

    Every Californian should have the right to feel secure that they can seek medical assistance during pregnancy without fear of civil or criminal liability.
    Yes, effectively the law does not allow to kill new-born babies, it just decriminalizes any type of "procedure" outside the medical establishment.

    That is the slippery road the left takes. It happened originally with abortion when it was illegal: people had to do it in "dangerous and unsanitary" conditions. Thus the reason to legally do it.

    Take a few years of delivering in some makeshift "alternate abortion facilitiy" ( a hack with a bathtub to drown the baby) and you would get complaints about the safety of these poor women and the unsanitary conditions.

    And I agree with what you say, that politicians distorth the truth, the media distorths the truth, everyone in power lacks basic honesty.

    But the thing is, neither the left is immune to this. What about that "dont say gay" law, when simply the law intended to prevent the teaching of explicit sexual subjects to kindergaden kid?

    "Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."

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    Re: I despise the right-wing politicians and feminists equally

    Quote Originally Posted by Manfred View Post
    I understand what you say, the law was not DIRECTLY to allow killing babies after birth, but rather DECRIMINALIZING IT. That was the reason I mentioned "slippery slops."

    https://www.factcheck.org/2022/04/ca...e-infanticide/

    The law itself says:


    Yes, effectively the law does not allow to kill new-born babies, it just decriminalizes any type of "procedure" outside the medical establishment.

    That is the slippery road the left takes. It happened originally with abortion when it was illegal: people had to do it in "dangerous and unsanitary" conditions. Thus the reason to legally do it.

    Take a few years of delivering in some makeshift "alternate abortion facilitiy" ( a hack with a bathtub to drown the baby) and you would get complaints about the safety of these poor women and the unsanitary conditions.

    And I agree with what you say, that politicians distorth the truth, the media distorths the truth, everyone in power lacks basic honesty.

    But the thing is, neither the left is immune to this. What about that "dont say gay" law, when simply the law intended to prevent the teaching of explicit sexual subjects to kindergaden kid?
    Rusty coat hangers are a thing of the past, now they have plastic coat hangers to prevent hepatitis. Personally I don't care if they use an M-80! In fact I hope they do! That that little bastard out like artillery hitting a foxhole!

    Fact is, I signed thousands of abortion petitions over the years and it wasn't until now I realize I did it just to be an opposing prick! Now I don't know what to do with myself? Nobody's petitioning against the 19th amendment, if they were I'd be signing it!
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    Re: I despise the right-wing politicians and feminists equally

    Quote Originally Posted by Manfred View Post
    I understand what you say, the law was not DIRECTLY to allow killing babies after birth, but rather DECRIMINALIZING IT. That was the reason I mentioned "slippery slops."

    https://www.factcheck.org/2022/04/ca...e-infanticide/

    The law itself says:


    Yes, effectively the law does not allow to kill new-born babies, it just decriminalizes any type of "procedure" outside the medical establishment.

    That is the slippery road the left takes. It happened originally with abortion when it was illegal: people had to do it in "dangerous and unsanitary" conditions. Thus the reason to legally do it.

    Take a few years of delivering in some makeshift "alternate abortion facilitiy" ( a hack with a bathtub to drown the baby) and you would get complaints about the safety of these poor women and the unsanitary conditions.

    And I agree with what you say, that politicians distorth the truth, the media distorths the truth, everyone in power lacks basic honesty.

    But the thing is, neither the left is immune to this. What about that "dont say gay" law, when simply the law intended to prevent the teaching of explicit sexual subjects to kindergaden kid?
    I agree that politicians on the left are also bad about distorting the truth, especially feminists. I'm basically sick of all of them being so crooked and attempting to grossly distort the truth to help their need to stay in power. There is no politician advocating killing your baby after it's born. No one is saying, "Sure, go ahead and drown it in the bathtub if you don't want it." There would also be no need to in most states, since a woman who doesn't want her baby can legally abandon it at a place of sanctuary (though that law is certainly debatable.)

    Basically, whether the politician is on the right or the left, you have to sleuth through piles and piles of malarkey to get to the truth. The feminists have totally demonized the men's rights movement as misogyny when in reality those guys have plenty of legitimate goals. A big men's rights victory in Great Britain was they got the law changed to mandate that stores have diaper (nappy) changing stations in both the men's and women's restrooms, not just in the women's. How a feminist can warp into misogyny a man wanting to be a good father by being able to change his baby's diaper I'll never know. Men's rights activists have tried to get help for men who are suicidal. I don't know how anyone could fault them for that.

    But anyway, the abortion issue is about the medical procedure that terminates pregnancy. It's not now, and never has been, about killing a living and breathing baby that's already been born. The right wing opportunists found that obscure Australian academic debate and applied to to American politicians are crooks. They knew good and well no politician was saying, "Just drown your baby" or "Just smother your baby." And you and I know that the MRA guys are just trying to accomplish things like making family court fairer to men, and in helping men to be good fathers. The whole "MRA = misogyny" claim is absurd.

    That's why I've long been disgusted by both sides, or all sides, I should say. The whole American political system is a system of deception, and whichever politicians can deceive the public best are the ones who win. If they gave a fuck about the people they represent, they would pass some kind of reproductive rights amendment to the constitution that would protect reproductive rights for both men and women. It would say that in the first trimester a woman can abort for any reason, no questions asked. In the second trimester, she would have to present a just reason for it. In the third trimester, only a doctor could do it as an emergency procedure when her life is in danger. Then we would have paternity tests for every birth certificate so that a father knows he's actually the father ... or he finds out he's not and his wife cheated on him and tried to defraud him into fatherhood. They would also ban taking a man's sperm out of a condom to impregnate yourself with it. It would also guarantee that a rapist doesn't have any parental rights. A male rapist can't claim rights to see the baby, and a female rapist can't sue the boy (now a man) whom she raped for child support.

    If they gave a fuck about real people, they could hammer out some kind of agreement like that and put it in the Constitution. But they won't. Both sides care about their political power ONLY. Both sides use massive distortion and downright lies to make the other side look bad. Both sides take corporate bribes that ought to be illegal.

    The system is such a mucked-up mess that it's impossible to even discuss issues in most venues. All the manufactured outrage just comes spewing out. Try to have a discussion like this thread on Facebook. Hah! Any such attempt would instantly denigrate into mud slinging. Look at us. We're MGTOW. We're the ones feminists claim are so hateful and evil, but we're managing a civil discussion about this issue. It's because we respect each other. I know that my MGTOW brothers who might disagree with me are still good men whom I respect. And I believe the respect is mutual toward me. We're therefore able to address the question, "Is aborting a fetus really the same thing as killing a baby." I don't think it is for the reasons I've mentioned, but I don't think anyone else is automatically evil simply for evaluating the information differently and thus forming a different viewpoint.

    Anyway, I wanted to express my respect and gratitude toward you guys for being able to discuss this civilly. This is unusual! On just about any social media, any such discussion immediately turns into a name-calling, mud-slinging fest. We've got a special group of men here. We can accomplish what most people can't.


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