Thread: I checked out Seeking Arrangements. My impressions.

I have been hearing a lot about Seeking Arrangements, and I got curious, decided to check it out. I thought I'd share my impressions briefly. Now, don't expect a deep dive. I just created a profile so I could see what the site was about, then I deleted it the next day. I never joined as a paying member or exchanged any messages, and I didn't go on any dates. This was just a quick look.

Still, I thought maybe some guys might not know about the site, and they might be interested in a quick rundown of my impressions.

1. It is a site for lonely, rich old men who are willing to pay large amounts of money to go out on dates and have sex with young women.

2. The majority of women on the site were very ordinary looking. I expected them to be really attractive, but most of them weren't. They were ok, fair, average, but nothing special. Some were downright unattractive.

3. The women all said they wanted a "luxury lifestyle," a "life of leisure," to be taken to fancy restaurants, "spoiled." My reaction was, "Fuck off. Who gives a shit what you want?"

4. I was stunned by the number of women on the site, even in my small little town. I live in a trad-con city of 50K. I expected to see maybe a dozen profiles. No, there were over 500 of them. Most of them were young, ordinary looking girls, many about 21, probably college students.

5. I looked up the going rates. It runs about $350 per meeting, and most of the guys see them weekly, so that's about $1500/month or 18K/yr. This is for my area; it'd be more expensive in NYC or CA. That is not including the costs of dinner, hotels, travel, and gifts. There is a gift register on the site, where you can buy them expensive clothing, jewelry, handbags, etc.

6. It's 80/20, women to men. Oversupply of sugar babies, looking for money.

7. I saw one woman I recognized from a traditional dating site, from years back. We had almost dated, but not quite. I lost interest because she yapped forever about stuff I had no interest in. She's in her 50s now, looking for a sugar daddy. Good luck.


Not for me, clearly. Several reasons:

1. The cash outlay is ridiculous to me. All that money, in exchange for a fake girlfriend, someone who pretends to like you and enjoy your company? Seems pathetic.

2. I'm not lonely. Heck, I don't even want a relationship. Why would I pay thousands of dollars for a fake version of something I don't want in the first place?

3. I don't like dating. It's a chore. The expensive dates are the worst. And I'm supposed to pay hundreds of dollars for the privilege of taking you out on a date, which I then have to pay hundreds of dollars more for? Hell no.

4. It's like prostitution, except with a bunch of other crap added on that you don't really want in the first place. You get sex, but you also get a bunch of other "boyfriend" responsibilities, like taking her out to nice restaurants, buying her gifts, treating her nice, and so forth. Meh. No thanks.


The whole thing felt very simpy and desperate to me.

Yo! How's Wally doing?

Originally Posted by Eddie Haskell

I have been hearing a lot about Seeking Arrangements, and I got curious, decided to check it out. I thought I'd share my impressions briefly. Now, don't expect a deep dive. I just created a profile so I could see what the site was about, then I deleted it the next day. I never joined as a paying member or exchanged any messages, and I didn't go on any dates. This was just a quick look.

Still, I thought maybe some guys might not know about the site, and they might be interested in a quick rundown of my impressions.

1. It is a site for lonely, rich old men who are willing to pay large amounts of money to go out on dates and have sex with young women.

2. The majority of women on the site were very ordinary looking. I expected them to be really attractive, but most of them weren't. They were ok, fair, average, but nothing special. Some were downright unattractive.

3. The women all said they wanted a "luxury lifestyle," a "life of leisure," to be taken to fancy restaurants, "spoiled." My reaction was, "Fuck off. Who gives a shit what you want?"

4. I was stunned by the number of women on the site, even in my small little town. I live in a trad-con city of 50K. I expected to see maybe a dozen profiles. No, there were over 500 of them. Most of them were young, ordinary looking girls, many about 21, probably college students.

5. I looked up the going rates. It runs about $350 per meeting, and most of the guys see them weekly, so that's about $1500/month or 18K/yr. This is for my area; it'd be more expensive in NYC or CA. That is not including the costs of dinner, hotels, travel, and gifts. There is a gift register on the site, where you can buy them expensive clothing, jewelry, handbags, etc.

6. It's 80/20, women to men. Oversupply of sugar babies, looking for money.

7. I saw one woman I recognized from a traditional dating site, from years back. We had almost dated, but not quite. I lost interest because she yapped forever about stuff I had no interest in. She's in her 50s now, looking for a sugar daddy. Good luck.


Not for me, clearly. Several reasons:

1. The cash outlay is ridiculous to me. All that money, in exchange for a fake girlfriend, someone who pretends to like you and enjoy your company? Seems pathetic.

2. I'm not lonely. Heck, I don't even want a relationship. Why would I pay thousands of dollars for a fake version of something I don't want in the first place?

3. I don't like dating. It's a chore. The expensive dates are the worst. And I'm supposed to pay hundreds of dollars for the privilege of taking you out on a date, which I then have to pay hundreds of dollars more for? Hell no.

4. It's like prostitution, except with a bunch of other crap added on that you don't really want in the first place. You get sex, but you also get a bunch of other "boyfriend" responsibilities, like taking her out to nice restaurants, buying her gifts, treating her nice, and so forth. Meh. No thanks.


The whole thing felt very simpy and desperate to me.

It's disgusting, isn't it? It's basically an accurate reflection of the dating market. It's prostitution, plus some dating-like stuff added. You might as well just hire a regular sex worker. It's always most economical to just pay directly.

There's nothing more pathetic than a blue pill simp with lots of money. With that kind of money you could lay far better looking and better-behaved chicks every night in third/second world countries. They actually "compete" for you over there. It's still playing pretend but at least the girls over there put in the work.

Prostitution, like anything else today, has taken on a major transformation. Modernism has pushed off the side-walk your typical prostitute and placed her behind a computer screen, and has encouraged the female race to embrace her natural state.

Originally Posted by Eddie Haskell

It's like prostitution

It's not like prostitution, it is prostitution. A "sugar baby" is a whore that doesn't want to admit it.

The women all said they wanted a "luxury lifestyle," a "life of leisure," to be taken to fancy restaurants, "spoiled." My reaction was, "Fuck off. Who gives a shit what you want?

And this is more important than it seems. I remember reading "How to Win Friends and Influence People", by one of those 1930's frauds. One of the basics is that other people don't care about what you want - they care about what they want. And yet these oh-so emotionally intelligent people don't get something as simple as that.

The majority of women on the site were very ordinary looking. I expected them to be really attractive, but most of them weren't. … I was stunned by the number of women on the site, even in my small little town.

Most women at some point have exchanged sexual favours for consideration. A car ride, gifts chosen by her, a few bucks for rent, most - most - women have at at least one point in their lives prostituted themselves. And TBF, most men have been a John. Men who are johns but won't admit it are simps.

During that period of her life when she is hot - late teens to early 20s - a girl will whore herself out. If she's a 4 or above, she's done it or tried to do it. And that's what you are seeing. Prostitution isn't some hideous thing that only crack whores and high-end courtesans do. Prostitution is normal, it's average, it's what the kinda plain but nice girl next door is doing. She's fucking for money. They all do.

It is a site for lonely, rich old men who are willing to pay large amounts of money to go out on dates and have sex with young women.

No it isn't. Because:

It's 80/20, women to men. Oversupply of sugar babies, looking for money.

Exactly the reverse of dating sites. "Seeking Arrangement" has cracked the code, running exactly the same scam on women that dating sites run on men. I bet they offer "premium memberships" to the girls to get their profiles promoted. I bet they have bots pretending to be generous 40-year-old millionaires.

It's very, very telling that the scam website targeted at men offers a fake promise of love; while the scam website targeted at women offers a fake promise of money.

I checked out SA a few years back. It was my official introduction to MGTOW as at the time they had an active forum where there was a guy who would talk about it all the time and what he said resonated with me.

Here is what I found.

1/ The site promotes itself as being a place where men will give money to women simply for being around. They do not like the prostitution aspect even though the site is exactly about that. Women who expect a platonic arrangement are disappointed often.

2/ In places like Australia where prostitution is legal, women who expect platonic are very naive. Not to mention, they need to really step it up in terms of being appealing to be around as I can literally walk into a brothel and select a woman or use an escort site and select a 10/10 without having to bother with messages.

3/ Many of the women want to be Princesses but are trailer trash.

4/ A lot of the women are fakes or time wasters as they do not have to pay to join or use the site.

5/ Yes, there are a lot of women and not all of them fit the general idea of what you would expect.

6/ Saved this till last. I learned that most women have no idea at all how to engage in conversation with a man. Especially an older man. They just think they will get what they want.

Originally Posted by Mr Wombat

No it isn't ("a site for rich, lonely old men looking to exchange..."). Because:

Exactly the reverse of dating sites. "Seeking Arrangement" has cracked the code, running exactly the same scam on women that dating sites run on men. I bet they offer "premium memberships" to the girls to get their profiles promoted. I bet they have bots pretending to be generous 40-year-old millionaires.

It's very, very telling that the scam website targeted at men offers a fake promise of love; while the scam website targeted at women offers a fake promise of money.

Oh, that's a good point. I was just talking about the type of man that would frequent the site, but you're right in overall terms. And observing the different "hooks" is interesting, too.

Originally Posted by Kryptic

3/ Many of the women want to be Princesses but are trailer trash.

I remember one girl in particular. She was about mid-20s, fat and unattractive. She was dressed in an overly tight tank top with her fat spilling out all sides, in shorts that looked like she was a "Hee Haw" reject. She said she was looking for someone to spoil her, to give her a "life of leisure and luxury." I had to laugh.

I learned that most women have no idea at all how to engage in conversation with a man. Especially an older man. They just think they will get what they want.

Which is weird, because presumably if you're paying hundreds of dollars for the 'privilege' of taking them out to a nice restaurant, they would be very skilled at being good conversationalists. What you say makes sense, though. Most of these girls are like 21 years old. 21 year old girls are ditzes. They don't know anything.

Originally Posted by Eddie Haskell

I remember one girl in particular. She was about mid-20s, fat and unattractive. She was dressed in an overly tight tank top with her fat spilling out all sides, in shorts that looked like she was a "Hee Haw" reject. She said she was looking for someone to spoil her, to give her a "life of leisure and luxury." I had to laugh.



Which is weird, because presumably if you're paying hundreds of dollars for the 'privilege' of taking them out to a nice restaurant, they would be very skilled at being good conversationalists. What you say makes sense, though. Most of these girls are like 21 years old. 21 year old girls are ditzes. They don't know anything.

The site can be great comedy. The woman who poses half naked than states they only want platonic! The ones who look like shit in various ways.

I was messaged by women my own age and older as well. They also have no clue how to engage in conversation. How to be charming. Society is too scared to lay down any expectations of women now and as such women have never acquired any skills. Maybe giving blow jobs in the pub toilets I don’t know but that doesn’t appeal to me.

Originally Posted by Kryptic

6/ Saved this till last. I learned that most women have no idea at all how to engage in conversation with a man. Especially an older man. They just think they will get what they want.

An extremely important part of being a hooker, unless we are talking "short time". Any girl who imagines herself as a glamorous courtesan needs to understand that glamorous courtesans are well-read, witty conversationalists who speak six languages.

Originally Posted by Kryptic

I was messaged by women my own age and older as well. They also have no clue how to engage in conversation. How to be charming.

You know ... being an older dude who owns his own house on SA is beginning to sound like a fun time. Yeah, knocking back the sluts is just revenge, but it's just revenge.

Originally Posted by Mr Wombat

An extremely important part of being a hooker, unless we are talking "short time". Any girl who imagines herself as a glamorous courtesan needs to understand that glamorous courtesans are well-read, witty conversationalists who speak six languages.

Given in Australia we have legalized prostitution I did see SA as different to normal hooker options. In the USA I am sure it is just a way around the laws. I didn't see any point in the site really if all it was going to be was sex. I can get that with much less effort in a brothel and with a woman who is far better versed with it all than some wannabe diva.

Originally Posted by Mr Wombat

You know ... being an older dude who owns his own house on SA is beginning to sound like a fun time. Yeah, knocking back the sluts is just revenge, but it's just revenge.

That part as a man was fun and interesting. Going from normal dating sites where you barely get a response let alone messaged first to having women approach me. Of course they are all hoping for money but that was ok. I never did do anything with any of them but I did meet a few just for laughs. None of them made me want to throw money at them.

In reality though, it's just brutal reality, isn't it? It's what we all know, every man and woman, at least straight ones. Relationships are transactions. Sites like Seeking Arrangements or any of the plethora of "sugar" sites are just being upfront about it. I may not condone it, but I do understand it. These old guys have probably been burned a few times, and now they just want sex with something young and hot. The girl just wants to be pampered, taken on lavish vacations, wined and dined, etc. And why not? It beats working for a living. She was likely going to be having sex anyway, might as well just do it with some old dude and get something out of it. If her imagination is good enough, I'm sure she can turn any toad into Jason Mamoa in her mind. Basically, each have what the other wants. On one side you have the old dude- has money, looking for sex and fun. On the other you have girl- has the sex, wants the money and lifestyle.

If you search Youtube, some of these sugar babies have become influencers. They're literally coaching other girls on how to get into the game, find the best sugar daddies, how to start their own influencing social media business- it's pretty each to take epic pics for the "gram" when daddy pays for the trip to Santorini. If I'm being honest, I can't say I wouldn't at least humor the idea if I was young and hot woman. They have one of the most sought after commodities in the world in the form of their bodies. It can be a bit of a risk, but if they play their cards right, easily set up for life, even once the beauty begins to fade. Just gotta lock down daddy warbucks. For others, they're leveraging that commodity to pay for college while also having fun in the process. Again, not respectable behavior, but certainly understandable. There's no award on your deathbed for being the most pious.

Well, I signed up tonight to see what all the hubbub is about. Will be interesting to see if my experience mirrors others here. I will let you know!

Originally Posted by flying

Well, I signed up tonight to see what all the hubbub is about. Will be interesting to see if my experience mirrors others here. I will let you know!

Speaking of mirrors, the selfies done in the bathroom of bars and fast food restaurants are hilarious on SA.

OP here. I went back to SA for a second run. This time, I paid to be an actual member. I've been a member now for a few days. Here are some of my observations, based on interaction and reading the forums.

1. The serious SDs are motivated to establish a relationship with these girls very much like a boyfriend-girlfriend relationship. They want to emotionally invest in them, spend time with them, help them, talk with them, take them out to nice restaurants, treat them well, enjoy their company. Yes, of course, they also want to have sex with them, but I don't think that is their main motivation. Mostly what they want is the companionship and relationship aspects, with a young woman. They are willing to pay for that. And some are willing to pay a lot for it.

I get that, on one level. It's nice to just be in the physical presence of a young woman who likes you (or at least pretends well to like you, lol). Even if you recognize that you are paying her to play a role, it's still an ego boost to have a young, attractive girlfriend.

I'm not interested in the "girlfriend" aspects, though. All the talking, spending all that time together, the going out to restaurants, all of that -- it seems like a hassle to me, a chore. They'll spend 4 hours of their evenings with these girls, a couple times a week. Apart from the financial costs, that is just too much time spent for me. I would be interested in maybe 1 or 2 hours of cuddling once a month, but that's about it.

2. Since you're dealing with young women, you have to be aware of mental health issues, drug problems, general instability and immaturity. I've run into this several times. For example, one woman, 26 years old, was yelling at her 3 year old daughter in the back seat while talking to me, stressed out about her bills (she gave me a detailed rundown), stressed about her contract job at the call center coming to an end. I felt stressed just talking to her. I thought to myself, "No way I want to invite this into my life." Coach Greg calls it the "straggle daggle." She was a mess. Other girls I've spoken with have also been weird or off-putting in their presentation (e.g., very guarded, dishonest, feel "gamey").

3. I have heard that the vast majority of SBs are scammers, frauds, or fakes. I haven't sampled enough to know for sure, but I assume that is probably true.

4. There are a lot of girls around age 21. I am 60 and would feel creepy about dating someone that young. 25 is about as low as I'll consider. Even that is slightly creepy, but oh well.

5. Although the ratio is definitely in your favor (ratio of SBs to SDs is 4 to 1), there are two reasons why that's not as propitious as it might sound.

First, most SDs are chasing the most attractive women on the site. So, the really attractive ones have their inboxes jammed full of messages. So, you won't join SA and have beautiful women throwing themselves at you. You'll have beautiful scam artists throwing themselves at you. You'll have broke college students throwing themselves at you. You'll have average-looking women throwing themselves at you. But the most attractive women have an army of simps busting down their door. Unless you want to jump through hoops and pay through the nose, forget it.

Second, SA gives SBs (women, mostly) accounts for free. SDs (men) have to pay $99/month, but women get their accounts free. So, you can imagine what that leads to -- lots of women signing up without much real investment in the process. They are just curious to see what sort of men are on the site, what sort of offers they might be able reel in, to make themselves feel good. They aren't really serious about setting something up. They are just curious.

So the 4 to 1 ratio is misleading, in a way. It's true on the surface, but most of the "4" are women who aren't serious. And the attractive women are deluged with offers.

6. There is still the risk of false accusation. You have to vet these women very carefully. Even when you do, there is still a risk. I think that may be especially true in the long-term relationships some SDs set up. Both people get their emotions attached, in a relationship like that. When there is a breakup, the SB can be hurt, angry, and maybe vengeful. We know how that can go. One false accusation can ruin your life. In some ways, the risk may be even higher in this population, because 1) they know you are wealthy, so you can be soaked, 2) there is a high percentage of mental health issues, and 3) if you go to court, "creepy old man vs. young vulnerable woman" is not a good look.

7. Most SBs aren't actually looking for a "luxury lifestyle" -- yachts and private jets and expensive vacations. Three-quarters are college students who want help with their bills and want to be treated a little better than the 20-something guys around them can afford (e.g., taken out to nice restaurants). The really attractive ones do tend to be looking for the luxury lifestyle, though.

8. There is a lot of talk about being "generous," with the implication that this is a good thing. I see plenty of men on the forums who seem proud of their ability to provide, help, mentor, and be generous to a young woman. Very blue pill, traditional guys. You can hear the pride in their voice, when they talk about how they have helped these young ladies. There is subtle shaming if you are not "generous." A few men object, saying that they are wealthy because they have been smart with their money; they don't throw it around indiscriminately. But they are the minority.

I do not fit the SD profile. I am not "generous" with women -- if generous means throwing large sums of money at them, just for them gracing me with their presence.


Ok, that's more than enough. I will continue to explore SA and report back. We'll see how it goes.

Thanks for the updates Eddie. I am on as well as a result of your first post just to check it out. BTW, what does "SD" mean in your post above? I received about 1-2 inquirys a week. Have not yet met with any of them. the false accusation thing is very concerning. I have confined my messages to those that are 25 and older as well....29 or 30 would be better. I have noticed that after they get a few days under their belts, all of a sudden I stop hearing from them...my guess is they have found blue men that will do all that crap and pay for it.

Frankly, a cuddle a couple times a week watching a netflix or TV show would probably suffice for me I am currently in the "flat-line" stage of no-fap and it could go on for awhile....so I am taking this time to do my research so that when I am ready to go again I will have some options to look at. Really appreciate your posts on this here...

It makes perfect sense such sites exist. It's a reflection that society in general is getting over the taboo fact that male/female intimacy is transactional and conditional, which has been a LONG time coming. Male/female intimacy is indeed thinly veiled prostitution - which can and does work both ways. The world is slowly having a Red Pill awakening; hence the panicked banning of MGTOW on reddit, under the auspices of INCEL violence, the exact opposite of MGTOW. Men are the golden goose and women and their state violence proxy/tax collector are pushing men out of education and employment due to said Red Pill awakening. Men are shunning marriage and family - so women and their state pimps are shunning men. Everyone is damn scared of what follows the marriage/fertility collapse, which is probably justified. The major shift/elimination in/of gender roles is actually preparation for the obvious calamity in progress.

Originally Posted by MannSplainer

It makes perfect sense such sites exist. It's a reflection that society in general is getting over the taboo fact that male/female intimacy is transactional and conditional, which has been a LONG time coming. Male/female intimacy is indeed thinly veiled prostitution - which can and does work both ways. The world is slowly having a Red Pill awakening; hence the panicked banning of MGTOW on reddit, under the auspices of INCEL violence, the exact opposite of MGTOW. Men are the golden goose and women and their state violence proxy/tax collector are pushing men out of education and employment due to said Red Pill awakening. Men are shunning marriage and family - so women and their state pimps are shunning men. Everyone is damn scared of what follows the marriage/fertility collapse, which is probably justified. The major shift/elimination in/of gender roles is actually preparation for the obvious calamity in progress.

Men can help speed up this process by opting out of the military entirely. Just boycott it. If women want rights and freedoms, let them fight and die for their own, rather than using men as disposable human sacrifices and human shields for the same.

Interesting stuff. A few thoughts to add:

--like you, I created a non-paying membership just to see what was out there. Now, I live near a big city, so there are some (apparently) attractive women on there (if the photos are accurate).

--the guys who like this scene will argue that the "sugar" is better when it's more familiar and comfortable, unlike outright P4P which can be pretty mercenary. I can see that argument; but OTOH, familiarity breeds laziness. At some point, the chica takes you for granted, just as they all do.

--ultimately, you're right.....this is a website for rich guys. I can't justify dropping 18k a year on this, although I could probably "afford" it in some sense. Same goes for outright P4P. As I get older, I place greater value on the ability to easily pay for that car repair/home repair/build retirement-safety net money.

So, it may be a good site for trust fund dudes or guys making several 100k a year. But for most guys with normal incomes? No, it's really not a good use of your money.