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    How to stop caring about men's self induced gynocenteric suffering?

    Like the title says, how do I stop caring about men who keep hurting (and some times killing themselves) for women?

    There are so many men out in the world that are needlessly stuffering because they have put all their desires,hopes and dreams in women.

    Do they not understand that women in the mating and dating game is a negative in any man's life?

    There is no need to go through song and dance to get a women who will destroy them every step of the way.,

    they can get everything they want and need from their selfs. Having a solid relationship with yourself, validating yourself loving yourself, etc.

    A woman will never give you those things, hell no one will.

    Why can't most men (blue pillers, PUAs, Incels, etc) understand this? Why can't simply love and live for themselves?

    Sadly I think I already know the answer, it because for most men, women are the most important thing in their life, it's their reason for living or working and existing.

    They are simply like grasshoppers, marching towards their own destruction for female acceptance. it's in their nature to do this and yet I feel the urge to tell to stop, to yell to them that there is a another way beside living for women

    But I know that my words will fall on deaf ears,
    How can accept this fact and stop caring about men simping to death?

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    Re: How to stop caring about men's self induced gynocenteric suffering?

    People are varied in how they learn and grow. There are no guarantees that people will align themselves to any one specific way. This is okay.

    Some people learn from the mistakes of others. Others learn from their own mistakes. Most of us do a little of both. And the lessons we learn do not deliver themselves to each man in the same sequence or at the same times in our lives. Or in the same intensity.

    You know that sexual attraction, the emotions of want and need, these ideas have their own level of dominance in the make-up of a person. What forces win out? The forces within us? Or the forces that act upon us? The one that is stronger than the other, I'd say. So, a lesson of sufficient intensity will make its mark. Lessons of lesser intensities may not be noticed as quickly or at all. The possibility exists that for any given thing there may not be a lesson waiting to deliver itself. People can be happy in different ways.

    You have to accept that you are not the savior of mankind. Neither must you allow yourself to obsess on this truth.

    It is inevitable that people vary in how they learn and grow because we each vary in our make-up and experiences. Accept this as a truth and appreciate the variety, or else someone out there will be upset that you have not learned his lessons that are so very important to him.
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    Re: How to stop caring about men's self induced gynocenteric suffering?

    Quote Originally Posted by FangBlade View Post
    Like the title says, how do I stop caring about men who keep hurting (and some times killing themselves) for women?

    There are so many men out in the world that are needlessly stuffering because they have put all their desires,hopes and dreams in women.

    Do they not understand that women in the mating and dating game is a negative in any man's life?

    There is no need to go through song and dance to get a women who will destroy them every step of the way.,

    they can get everything they want and need from their selfs. Having a solid relationship with yourself, validating yourself loving yourself, etc.

    A woman will never give you those things, hell no one will.

    Why can't most men (blue pillers, PUAs, Incels, etc) understand this? Why can't simply love and live for themselves?

    Sadly I think I already know the answer, it because for most men, women are the most important thing in their life, it's their reason for living or working and existing.

    They are simply like grasshoppers, marching towards their own destruction for female acceptance. it's in their nature to do this and yet I feel the urge to tell to stop, to yell to them that there is a another way beside living for women

    But I know that my words will fall on deaf ears,
    How can accept this fact and stop caring about men simping to death?
    Trying to keep all this in any sort of perspective is difficult alright, but there are ways of seeing things that may help.

    As Unboxxed says you are not the saviour of mankind. Neither am I, he nor anyone else. All we can hope is that our words help someone, somewhere at some time.

    You have your viewpoints on what is important in life as do the rest of us. Even amongst us MGTOW there can be huge differences in opinion. Sometimes this can seem non-constructive, even destructive, but that isn’t true.

    The fact is that we, at least on this site, think.

    We think about the merits and demerits of certain situations. We talk about them. We argue about them. It’s not about I’m right and your wrong. What’s right for me may be wrong for you and vice-versa.

    Sometimes people take offence when a particular view is argued against; they take it personal, like it’s an attack on them rather than a disagreement on a particular point of view.

    It’s about finding balance in life. What works for me may not work for you, it’s as simple as that.

    We MGTOW have realised that deep relationships with women are contrary to finding this balance. We are the lucky ones that realised this before it was too late.

    Others aren’t so lucky. Feel sympathy for them because for the most part they are what we were but on no account feel responsible for them.

    They are their own people with their own minds. They have the right to live their lives as they see fit (law aside) and make the mistakes many of us have on their road to enlightenment.

    So some will take this eventual enlightenment very badly and choose to end their existence. This is sad but unfortunately it’s also unavoidable.

    It’s good that you feel for these people as do I; but you cannot take on responsibility for every decision made by every person on the planet.

    It just isn’t possible to make others see the light, the best one can do is lead the way. If that horse doesn’t want to drink the water then that’s his choice.

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    Re: How to stop caring about men's self induced gynocenteric suffering?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    People are varied in how they learn and grow. There are no guarantees that people will align themselves to any one specific way. This is okay.

    Some people learn from the mistakes of others. Others learn from their own mistakes. Most of us do a little of both. And the lessons we learn do not deliver themselves to each man in the same sequence or at the same times in our lives. Or in the same intensity.

    You know that sexual attraction, the emotions of want and need, these ideas have their own level of dominance in the make-up of a person. What forces win out? The forces within us? Or the forces that act upon us? The one that is stronger than the other, I'd say. So, a lesson of sufficient intensity will make its mark. Lessons of lesser intensities may not be noticed as quickly or at all. The possibility exists that for any given thing there may not be a lesson waiting to deliver itself. People can be happy in different ways.

    You have to accept that you are not the savior of mankind. Neither must you allow yourself to obsess on this truth.

    It is inevitable that people vary in how they learn and grow because we each vary in our make-up and experiences. Accept this as a truth and appreciate the variety, or else someone out there will be upset that you have not learned his lessons that are so very important to him.

    You make a lot of good points, but the thing that gets me is that this is in ALOT of cases life and death. Men marrying women, relying on them just dealing with in deep ways. It damn near suicide

    But you are right, men will either learn the truth at some point or (most likely) not

    I need to focus on my own freedom and joy and be more thankful I have learned this lesson fairly early in my life.

    Many men don't get this opportunity


    Thanks man

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    Re: How to stop caring about men's self induced gynocenteric suffering?

    I don't really think about other's desperations, I just thank god they're not my desperations!

    Some junkie passed out with a needle hanging out his arm is somehow my problem, I should feel sorry? I don't think so, I'm not the one drinking sorrow by the bucket! It's his arm, it's his problem! If he cuts it off, am I gonna feel it?

    Same thing with stressful relationship with all the pain, frustration, and misery, do I feel it? No, I don't do stressful relationships! Those ones go in the garbage can! I have no fucks given for self indulged misery, I'm not the one paying the piper nor should I give a damn how much it's costing! Fools obliterate themselves every day of the week, it's their jailtime I'm not spending a psychological second in their confinement!

    This is clown world, no sense in getting upset with all the clowns, let them have their circus!

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    Re: How to stop caring about men's self induced gynocenteric suffering?

    Quote Originally Posted by FangBlade View Post
    Sadly I think I already know the answer, it because for most men, women are the most important thing in their life, it's their reason for living or working and existing.
    Yes. For reproduction.

    At one point in time the most important thing in a man's life was to stay alive and bring home food for himself and his family or tribe. That's not a problem for most men now, we have moved out of the stone age. Having kids is part driven by Human Nature, to reproduce a man needs a woman. For a healthy offspring, there needs to be a healthy woman to bare the child and nurse it. Society has always preached that last part and it's the man's duty to look after her. (Look after her and she will look after you) That worked for a long time, but in the last 100yrs or so times have changed. Women now don't need a man to supply resources for her, she can earn her own or the government will give enough. This has not changed the programing in boys or most men, and women love taking advantage of this. This is why we now have the disposable male.

    A woman's love is based on how she can benefit from the man. Proven by Briffault's Law. If she is a high earner or high status, she will not settle easily. Every other woman will want the same level man as her (highest SMV male).

    What can be done? Only a woman can RP a man. To late, to hard once he is BP'ed. Human Behavioral Biology or human nature should be a mandatory class in school for both (all) sexes. Stop teaching kids the "Disney Dream".

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    Re: How to stop caring about men's self induced gynocenteric suffering?

    By regarding women both as an addiction and a religion. F.e. I smoke. Would you really care if I'd catch lungcancer? I wouldn't. I can't say I've not been warned. I approached TRP from an addiction POV. Yes, female validation feels great, fucking too. But I don't need both for my own survival and well being. Same thing goes for an addictive substance. As from the "religious" part. Imagine you have 100% solid, evidence based proof God doesn't or does exist. Go to any holy hotspot in the world and present the anti-proof: people still won't believe you. Or v.v. go to atheists and present the proof. Same story.
    Yes it's sad men refuse to see it but you don't need to beat yourself up for it. I see that as indirect simping. You're not doing the simping but still care about the simps. I learned a harsh fact: people who don't want to be helped, can't be helped. They can even turn against you. When I see men suffering from the simping I'll drop a discrete RP. Thus far nobody bit. So I have no other option than to let them keep on suffering until they see it (or not).

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    Re: How to stop caring about men's self induced gynocenteric suffering?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedPilledSimp View Post
    Yes it's sad men refuse to see it but you don't need to beat yourself up for it. I see that as indirect simping. You're not doing the simping but still care about the simps. I learned a harsh fact: people who don't want to be helped, can't be helped. They can even turn against you. When I see men suffering from the simping I'll drop a discrete RP. Thus far nobody bit. So I have no other option than to let them keep on suffering until they see it (or not).

    People don't want to be helped, that's true. I'm learning that more and more the older I get. Once a concept/belief is held deeply in their heart and minds long enough it become a part of their identity. At that point criticizing belief is like criticizing them, at least on the eyes of the believer

    Most people really cannot be unplugged

    Quote Originally Posted by RustyNuts View Post
    Yes. For reproduction.

    At one point in time the most important thing in a man's life was to stay alive and bring home food for himself and his family or tribe. That's not a problem for most men now, we have moved out of the stone age. Having kids is part driven by Human Nature, to reproduce a man needs a woman. For a healthy offspring, there needs to be a healthy woman to bare the child and nurse it. Society has always preached that last part and it's the man's duty to look after her. (Look after her and she will look after you) That worked for a long time, but in the last 100yrs or so times have changed. Women now don't need a man to supply resources for her, she can earn her own or the government will give enough. This has not changed the programing in boys or most men, and women love taking advantage of this. This is why we now have the disposable male.

    A woman's love is based on how she can benefit from the man. Proven by Briffault's Law. If she is a high earner or high status, she will not settle easily. Every other woman will want the same level man as her (highest SMV male).

    What can be done? Only a woman can RP a man. To late, to hard once he is BP'ed. Human Behavioral Biology or human nature should be a mandatory class in school for both (all) sexes. Stop teaching kids the "Disney Dream".

    That's the thing, for most guys the only thing worth pursuing IS reproduction. I used to find it odd that other men was so bummed out with not having a gf. I thought that if they just fap when they need to and to find something else to do, something that they are really passionate about they wouldn't feel so down about not having a women in their lives

    But now I realize that women are the point of those men lives, it why men go to such lengths to get female validation (online simping, twitch thots, only fans, etc)

    Because a woman's acknowledgement is the only thing that matters to them, not their passions, not their own acceptance. Only women

    It real freaking sad but like you said, they it's human nature. This really should be taught in schools, human nature I mean.

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    Re: How to stop caring about men's self induced gynocenteric suffering?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    People are varied in how they learn and grow. There are no guarantees that people will align themselves to any one specific way. This is okay.

    Some people learn from the mistakes of others. Others learn from their own mistakes. Most of us do a little of both. And the lessons we learn do not deliver themselves to each man in the same sequence or at the same times in our lives. Or in the same intensity.

    You know that sexual attraction, the emotions of want and need, these ideas have their own level of dominance in the make-up of a person. What forces win out? The forces within us? Or the forces that act upon us? The one that is stronger than the other, I'd say. So, a lesson of sufficient intensity will make its mark. Lessons of lesser intensities may not be noticed as quickly or at all. The possibility exists that for any given thing there may not be a lesson waiting to deliver itself. People can be happy in different ways.

    You have to accept that you are not the savior of mankind. Neither must you allow yourself to obsess on this truth.

    It is inevitable that people vary in how they learn and grow because we each vary in our make-up and experiences. Accept this as a truth and appreciate the variety, or else someone out there will be upset that you have not learned his lessons that are so very important to him.
    This a wonderful and articulated way of saying;

    "Don't be a Captain-Save-A-Ho"

    but, at the same time;

    "Don't be a Captain-Save-A-Simp either"
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    Re: How to stop caring about men's self induced gynocenteric suffering?

    Up until what, 40? 50 years ago? There were men's-only clubs. Men's sports leagues. Men's golf. Etc. In the pre-internet days, that's where men went to learn from peers, what we share on sites like this, today. Well, things their Father didn't teach them, anyway. Nowadays, there's no Father at home to teach boys growing up how to be men. Instead of picking up incidentals at the club, kids today have to learn what it is to be a man on their own, from the ground up, buried in a blizzard of gynocentric data.

    After a certain age, after certain life experiences, the lightbulb flicks on that everything they were taught growing up about women, was a lie. It's a tough realization. Some handle it better than others. As others have said, you can't save everyone. Waste of time even trying.

    However, if you're so inclined, you can be there, to slide a chair over at the bar, when they're ready to learn.

    That's the wonderful thing about choice.

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    Re: How to stop caring about men's self induced gynocenteric suffering?

    Quote Originally Posted by ftdjc1 View Post
    After a certain age, after certain life experiences, the lightbulb flicks on that everything they were taught growing up about women, was a lie. It's a tough realization. Some handle it better than others. As others have said, you can't save everyone. Waste of time even trying.
    Yes, a man has to want to learn about TRP. That is why only women can RP men. If everything is fine in BP world, the woman is happy the man will not change his thought process.... It's when she is not happy and female nature takes over, she leaves, cheats, monkey branches etc. and he is left wondering what went wrong with his dream girl.... The man MAY ask why and start looking for TRP... The RP truths have to be backed up in what he has seen in his life for him to accept it. The "Tough realizations" are facing the facts you were lied to growing up, the truth was there all the time but you were fed a dream instead, her dream. RP Rage.

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    Re: How to stop caring about men's self induced gynocenteric suffering?

    Quote Originally Posted by FangBlade View Post
    Like the title says, how do I stop caring about men who keep hurting (and some times killing themselves) for women?

    There are so many men out in the world that are needlessly stuffering because they have put all their desires,hopes and dreams in women.

    Do they not understand that women in the mating and dating game is a negative in any man's life?

    There is no need to go through song and dance to get a women who will destroy them every step of the way.,

    they can get everything they want and need from their selfs. Having a solid relationship with yourself, validating yourself loving yourself, etc.

    A woman will never give you those things, hell no one will.

    Why can't most men (blue pillers, PUAs, Incels, etc) understand this? Why can't simply love and live for themselves?

    Sadly I think I already know the answer, it because for most men, women are the most important thing in their life, it's their reason for living or working and existing.

    They are simply like grasshoppers, marching towards their own destruction for female acceptance. it's in their nature to do this and yet I feel the urge to tell to stop, to yell to them that there is a another way beside living for women

    But I know that my words will fall on deaf ears,
    How can accept this fact and stop caring about men simping to death?
    I think you've become cynical. I have compassion for men screwed over by the dating and marriage system because that was me before I knew any better. I'm generally good-natured and want to help people. I therefore used to see feminism as a legitimate tool to help women against injustices, for example, if a woman was being assaulted by her boyfriend or husband. However, every time when it was a man who was on the receiving end of injustice, I expected feminists to reciprocate, but they never did. For example, when Lorena Bobbit cut off her husband's penis, I was horrified at this kind of brutal mutilation that would NEVER have been accepted if it had been done to a woman, it was feminists who thought that was a real knee-slapper. To make matters worse, they took her side! With exactly no proof that he ever abused her, they took her word for it when it was obviously a lame-ass excuse for the crime that she committed. No one ever cuts off a penis in self defense.

    Then when feminism started adopting man-bashing hate speech like "kill all men" and "mansplaining," I expected hoards of feminists to come out rejecting those terms, but very few did. A few more rejected "kill all men," but it was far from a majority. And "mansplaining" is almost totally accepted by all feminists. I had to search long and hard to find one lone feminist objecting to it. But most feminists treat it as laughable that anyone should object to hatefully stereotyping men with that word.

    I remember what it was like to have received several rejections in a row and then FINALLY to have had a great conversation with a woman in a bookstore and to have gotten her number. I went home elated, as I finally had a small amount of progress after so much very hard work of getting up the guts to approach women. Then when I tried to call that number, it turned out to be a wrong number. Not only that, the man I reached was irritated by having gotten numerous calls for "Anita" who did not live there. She had been giving the same fake number out to everyone without regard to whom she was hurting, including the real owner of that number. After all that effort to find someone, getting a phony number was like a sucker punch to the gut. It was so disrespectful, like having been spat in the face. Some years later I made the mistake of discussing this issue with feminists. They didn't give a fuck about me! They had no empathy at all for men who must approach numerous women if that want to have any chance at all to find a girlfriend. They didn't give a shit about the person who owned that phone number and had to be pestered by call after all for "Anita," if that was even her real name. Getting a phony number after an encounter that seemed promising was 100 times worse than if she had simply said, "I appreciate your interest, but no thank you." Even if she had said, "You're ugly and gross and I would never want you," it would not have been as bad. Giving out a fake number is a lie that says, "Yes, I'm interested; I want to meet up." There was no way to communicate how demoralizing an experience that was to feminists. Every dude got it. Many were like, "I've been through that. I feel your pain." But it was IMPOSSIBLE to get one iota of empathy from a feminist. But it wasn't just that. When I relayed my experience of a long-time fiancÚ who cheated, there was ZERO empathy. It was like, "Well you must have done something wrong to make her stray." I've never wanted to punch someone in the face so bad as when some feminazi cunt said that.

    That's when I realized a truth: Feminists don't care one iota about being fair with men. Even if you were a male feminist who totally cared about women, the feminists don't give a rat's ass about your well being. They're not after equal rights. They're ONLY about helping women, often at the expense of men. It took a whole bunch of shit experiences like this for me to finally get it. Feminists don't see men as human beings. If you're in the bottom 90 percent, you're just background noise. If you're in the top 10 percent, you're just someone they could potentially use. But one thing you're definitely not is a human being.

    It was hard for me to even get to the red pill, much less to take it. It took numerous punches to the gut before I finally got it. So that's why I do sympathize with men who haven't gotten it yet. You grow up and are taught what to do. You're taught to be a good man who cares about women and is determined to be fair, and who is determined to help women. It's reinforced by parents, friends, school, and movies. It's no wonder dudes believe it. But everything you know is wrong. It's no wonder it's hard to let go of. For me, it was only numerous tough experiences like the one above that convinced me that women don't give a fuck about men. They have exactly zero empathy for men and could not care less about fairness or justice. It's not too terribly surprising that a huge number of men still haven't accepted the ugly truth. Therefore, I do still empathize with men who suffer via women's bullshit.

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    Re: How to stop caring about men's self induced gynocenteric suffering?

    Quote Originally Posted by TigPlaze View Post
    I think you've become cynical. I have compassion for men screwed over by the dating and marriage system because that was me before I knew any better. I'm generally good-natured and want to help people. I therefore used to see feminism as a legitimate tool to help women against injustices, for example, if a woman was being assaulted by her boyfriend or husband. However, every time when it was a man who was on the receiving end of injustice, I expected feminists to reciprocate, but they never did. For example, when Lorena Bobbit cut off her husband's penis, I was horrified at this kind of brutal mutilation that would NEVER have been accepted if it had been done to a woman, it was feminists who thought that was a real knee-slapper. To make matters worse, they took her side! With exactly no proof that he ever abused her, they took her word for it when it was obviously a lame-ass excuse for the crime that she committed. No one ever cuts off a penis in self defense.

    Then when feminism started adopting man-bashing hate speech like "kill all men" and "mansplaining," I expected hoards of feminists to come out rejecting those terms, but very few did. A few more rejected "kill all men," but it was far from a majority. And "mansplaining" is almost totally accepted by all feminists. I had to search long and hard to find one lone feminist objecting to it. But most feminists treat it as laughable that anyone should object to hatefully stereotyping men with that word.

    I remember what it was like to have received several rejections in a row and then FINALLY to have had a great conversation with a woman in a bookstore and to have gotten her number. I went home elated, as I finally had a small amount of progress after so much very hard work of getting up the guts to approach women. Then when I tried to call that number, it turned out to be a wrong number. Not only that, the man I reached was irritated by having gotten numerous calls for "Anita" who did not live there. She had been giving the same fake number out to everyone without regard to whom she was hurting, including the real owner of that number. After all that effort to find someone, getting a phony number was like a sucker punch to the gut. It was so disrespectful, like having been spat in the face. Some years later I made the mistake of discussing this issue with feminists. They didn't give a fuck about me! They had no empathy at all for men who must approach numerous women if that want to have any chance at all to find a girlfriend. They didn't give a shit about the person who owned that phone number and had to be pestered by call after all for "Anita," if that was even her real name. Getting a phony number after an encounter that seemed promising was 100 times worse than if she had simply said, "I appreciate your interest, but no thank you." Even if she had said, "You're ugly and gross and I would never want you," it would not have been as bad. Giving out a fake number is a lie that says, "Yes, I'm interested; I want to meet up." There was no way to communicate how demoralizing an experience that was to feminists. Every dude got it. Many were like, "I've been through that. I feel your pain." But it was IMPOSSIBLE to get one iota of empathy from a feminist. But it wasn't just that. When I relayed my experience of a long-time fiancÚ who cheated, there was ZERO empathy. It was like, "Well you must have done something wrong to make her stray." I've never wanted to punch someone in the face so bad as when some feminazi cunt said that.

    That's when I realized a truth: Feminists don't care one iota about being fair with men. Even if you were a male feminist who totally cared about women, the feminists don't give a rat's ass about your well being. They're not after equal rights. They're ONLY about helping women, often at the expense of men. It took a whole bunch of shit experiences like this for me to finally get it. Feminists don't see men as human beings. If you're in the bottom 90 percent, you're just background noise. If you're in the top 10 percent, you're just someone they could potentially use. But one thing you're definitely not is a human being.

    It was hard for me to even get to the red pill, much less to take it. It took numerous punches to the gut before I finally got it. So that's why I do sympathize with men who haven't gotten it yet. You grow up and are taught what to do. You're taught to be a good man who cares about women and is determined to be fair, and who is determined to help women. It's reinforced by parents, friends, school, and movies. It's no wonder dudes believe it. But everything you know is wrong. It's no wonder it's hard to let go of. For me, it was only numerous tough experiences like the one above that convinced me that women don't give a fuck about men. They have exactly zero empathy for men and could not care less about fairness or justice. It's not too terribly surprising that a huge number of men still haven't accepted the ugly truth. Therefore, I do still empathize with men who suffer via women's bullshit.
    Good post! Really exposes the emotional brutality of modern women! I learned the same hard lessons and as a result I extracted the same indoctrinations from my psychological lexicon. I found it's best to leave them alone to their own accord and outcomes from their unified hatred stemming back many decades from whence it spawned. Peaceful indifference is better than BP fool mentally tied down by lifelong indoctrinations running bias and contradictory to reality.

    Feminism is hatred of men personified. Why else are men in the the west walking away in droves numbering in the multimillions? It's men's duty to courtship in this social sewer, bend over backwards and eat its sludge? No, leave them in the sludge to inhale their own noxious sewer gas by themselves.

    Misery loves company. Birds of a feather flock together. This society has placed men in a hostile environment where the only reprieve is solidarity and isolation as a man goes his own way in a molested society with no other options.

    No hard feelings, no bitterness, no resentments living in our heads rent free! And with it no freeloaders living rent free!

    There's only TWO kind of relationships!

    1. Symbiotic

    2. Parasitic

    The choice is ours and it doesn't take much analytic thinking to choose wisely.

    Critical thinking can save a man from certain hardships, misery, gloom, and doom!

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    Re: How to stop caring about men's self induced gynocenteric suffering?

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    Good post! Really exposes the emotional brutality of modern women! I learned the same hard lessons and as a result I extracted the same indoctrinations from my psychological lexicon. I found it's best to leave them alone to their own accord and outcomes from their unified hatred stemming back many decades from whence it spawned. Peaceful indifference is better than BP fool mentally tied down by lifelong indoctrinations running bias and contradictory to reality.

    Feminism is hatred of men personified. Why else are men in the the west walking away in droves numbering in the multimillions? It's men's duty to courtship in this social sewer, bend over backwards and eat its sludge? No, leave them in the sludge to inhale their own noxious sewer gas by themselves.

    Misery loves company. Birds of a feather flock together. This society has placed men in a hostile environment where the only reprieve is solidarity and isolation as a man goes his own way in a molested society with no other options.

    No hard feelings, no bitterness, no resentments living in our heads rent free! And with it no freeloaders living rent free!

    There's only TWO kind of relationships!

    1. Symbiotic

    2. Parasitic

    The choice is ours and it doesn't take much analytic thinking to choose wisely.

    Critical thinking can save a man from certain hardships, misery, gloom, and doom!
    You don't necessarily have to be isolated. Your MGTOW brothers understand the shit you've been through and, unlike women, can empathize.

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    Re: How to stop caring about men's self induced gynocenteric suffering?

    Quote Originally Posted by TigPlaze View Post
    I think you've become cynical. I have compassion for men screwed over by the dating and marriage system because that was me before I knew any better. I'm generally good-natured and want to help people. I therefore used to see feminism as a legitimate tool to help women against injustices, for example, if a woman was being assaulted by her boyfriend or husband. However, every time when it was a man who was on the receiving end of injustice, I expected feminists to reciprocate, but they never did. For example, when Lorena Bobbit cut off her husband's penis, I was horrified at this kind of brutal mutilation that would NEVER have been accepted if it had been done to a woman, it was feminists who thought that was a real knee-slapper. To make matters worse, they took her side! With exactly no proof that he ever abused her, they took her word for it when it was obviously a lame-ass excuse for the crime that she committed. No one ever cuts off a penis in self defense.

    Then when feminism started adopting man-bashing hate speech like "kill all men" and "mansplaining," I expected hoards of feminists to come out rejecting those terms, but very few did. A few more rejected "kill all men," but it was far from a majority. And "mansplaining" is almost totally accepted by all feminists. I had to search long and hard to find one lone feminist objecting to it. But most feminists treat it as laughable that anyone should object to hatefully stereotyping men with that word.

    I remember what it was like to have received several rejections in a row and then FINALLY to have had a great conversation with a woman in a bookstore and to have gotten her number. I went home elated, as I finally had a small amount of progress after so much very hard work of getting up the guts to approach women. Then when I tried to call that number, it turned out to be a wrong number. Not only that, the man I reached was irritated by having gotten numerous calls for "Anita" who did not live there. She had been giving the same fake number out to everyone without regard to whom she was hurting, including the real owner of that number. After all that effort to find someone, getting a phony number was like a sucker punch to the gut. It was so disrespectful, like having been spat in the face. Some years later I made the mistake of discussing this issue with feminists. They didn't give a fuck about me! They had no empathy at all for men who must approach numerous women if that want to have any chance at all to find a girlfriend. They didn't give a shit about the person who owned that phone number and had to be pestered by call after all for "Anita," if that was even her real name. Getting a phony number after an encounter that seemed promising was 100 times worse than if she had simply said, "I appreciate your interest, but no thank you." Even if she had said, "You're ugly and gross and I would never want you," it would not have been as bad. Giving out a fake number is a lie that says, "Yes, I'm interested; I want to meet up." There was no way to communicate how demoralizing an experience that was to feminists. Every dude got it. Many were like, "I've been through that. I feel your pain." But it was IMPOSSIBLE to get one iota of empathy from a feminist. But it wasn't just that. When I relayed my experience of a long-time fiancÚ who cheated, there was ZERO empathy. It was like, "Well you must have done something wrong to make her stray." I've never wanted to punch someone in the face so bad as when some feminazi cunt said that.

    That's when I realized a truth: Feminists don't care one iota about being fair with men. Even if you were a male feminist who totally cared about women, the feminists don't give a rat's ass about your well being. They're not after equal rights. They're ONLY about helping women, often at the expense of men. It took a whole bunch of shit experiences like this for me to finally get it. Feminists don't see men as human beings. If you're in the bottom 90 percent, you're just background noise. If you're in the top 10 percent, you're just someone they could potentially use. But one thing you're definitely not is a human being.

    It was hard for me to even get to the red pill, much less to take it. It took numerous punches to the gut before I finally got it. So that's why I do sympathize with men who haven't gotten it yet. You grow up and are taught what to do. You're taught to be a good man who cares about women and is determined to be fair, and who is determined to help women. It's reinforced by parents, friends, school, and movies. It's no wonder dudes believe it. But everything you know is wrong. It's no wonder it's hard to let go of. For me, it was only numerous tough experiences like the one above that convinced me that women don't give a fuck about men. They have exactly zero empathy for men and could not care less about fairness or justice. It's not too terribly surprising that a huge number of men still haven't accepted the ugly truth. Therefore, I do still empathize with men who suffer via women's bullshit.
    Damn man I'm sorry you went all through that.

    Although I didn't go through as much as you have. I have come to the realization in my mid twenties that women simply hate men, all of them do to varies degrees. They will take all they can get and leave you high and dry.

    Once I realized and internalized they don't truly care about men(which took a surprisingly long time for me to fully accept this been a mgtow for a while now), I simply stop caring about them anymore.
    No point caring about women or anyone for that matter that don't care about you.

    If they are in trouble they better pray to Jesus.
    Because I'm gone baby gone!

    I wish it didn't have to be this way but you know the old saying "you can love women or understand them but you can't do both"

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    Re: How to stop caring about men's self induced gynocenteric suffering?

    Quote Originally Posted by TigPlaze View Post
    You don't necessarily have to be isolated. Your MGTOW brothers understand the shit you've been through and, unlike women, can empathize.
    Feminism has trained women to reject and destroy any other options, hence Feminazi. They cringe at the thought of giving a man anything, never realizing "kindness" or "unkindness" have a way of boomeranging back to it's launcher.

    We do nothing to them as well as nothing for them, we're not the ones on political offense having laws made in our favor. We're on the defense, on the run, fleeing a culture that endangers us and confines us to a modern form of slavery.

    slavery

    slā′və-rē, slāv′rē

    noun

    1. The condition in which one person is owned as property by another and is under the owner's control, especially in involuntary servitude.
    2. The practice of owning slaves.
    3. A mode of production in which slaves constitute the principal work force.


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    Re: How to stop caring about men's self induced gynocenteric suffering?

    Quote Originally Posted by FangBlade View Post
    I have come to the realization in my mid twenties that women simply hate men
    Many do, but this is NOT the norm (IMO). I’m more inclined towards this statement:

    Quote Originally Posted by FangBlade View Post
    they don't truly care about men
    This is worse than hatred. At least with hatred it is emotional and there is a chance of reversal. Hate and love are two sides of the same coin, they are emotional states that tend to flip and change.

    Not caring is the antithesis of emotion. It’s leaving all that turmoil behind and with this mind set you are free to move on.

    And this is how I now think of them. I don’t care. Yes it would be nice if things were different but they aren’t and I’m beyond mourning any loss there.

    Let them rant. Let them rage. They’re only hurting themselves as far as I’m concerned because I no longer care what they think of us.

    For years (decades / centuries) they have been living rent free in men’s heads, and still do for those that cannot see what’s right in front of them.

    But tides ebb and flow. Now it’s we MGTOW that are living rent free in their heads.
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    Re: How to stop caring about men's self induced gynocenteric suffering?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Not caring is the antithesis of emotion. It’s leaving all that turmoil behind and with this mind set you are free to move on.

    And this is now how I now think of them. I don’t care. Yes it would be nice if things were different but they aren’t and I’m beyond mourning any loss there.

    Let them rant. Let them rage. They’re only hurting themselves as far as I’m concerned because I no longer care what they think of us.

    For years (decades / centuries) they have been living rent free in men’s heads, and still do for those that cannot see what’s right in front of them.

    But tides ebb and flow. Now it’s us MGTOW that are living rent free in their heads.
    I wish I could up vote this a 1,000 times! This is EXACTLY how I feel about women, and have been feeling for quite a while. It's very liberating and it frees you up to discover all the other beauty and good in this world.

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    Re: How to stop caring about men's self induced gynocenteric suffering?

    Quote Originally Posted by FangBlade View Post
    Like the title says, how do I stop caring about men who keep hurting (and some times killing themselves) for women?

    There are so many men out in the world that are needlessly stuffering because they have put all their desires,hopes and dreams in women.

    Do they not understand that women in the mating and dating game is a negative in any man's life?

    There is no need to go through song and dance to get a women who will destroy them every step of the way.,

    they can get everything they want and need from their selfs. Having a solid relationship with yourself, validating yourself loving yourself, etc.

    A woman will never give you those things, hell no one will.

    Why can't most men (blue pillers, PUAs, Incels, etc) understand this? Why can't simply love and live for themselves?

    Sadly I think I already know the answer, it because for most men, women are the most important thing in their life, it's their reason for living or working and existing.

    They are simply like grasshoppers, marching towards their own destruction for female acceptance. it's in their nature to do this and yet I feel the urge to tell to stop, to yell to them that there is a another way beside living for women

    But I know that my words will fall on deaf ears,
    How can accept this fact and stop caring about men simping to death?
    They need to learn or not. It's that simple. Don't feel sorry for them when they get hurt . They have all the information and knowledge they need. If they want to be a dumbass then they must bend over and accept their fate.
    Stay away from women. They will only break your heart.


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