Thread: How to help blue-pill mates

- No one wants to admit to a mistake. Bigger the consequences the harder the denials. Life changing mistakes are normally forced on to people before they admit it was a mistake.

- There has to be a thirst for knowledge for someone to learn. After a relationship break up all the women will say "He/She was not the one for you.... You will find that special someone some day, hang in there". Then as a man, they treat you like a leaper cause you don't have a girl and there must be something wrong with you. Most men go away feeling sorry for themselves thinking where can I find that "Special someone" the women talked about. To motivate yourself to seek answers for why a relationship failed requires thirst for knowledge, and requires you to admit failure and gilt for that failure.

I have only ever met one young man (RL) that was Red Pilled without knowing it. As he describes it, his mother was a slut and cheated openly on his father then divorced him. Then took his father to court for custody for all the kids and raped him for everything he had. She blew all the money quickly and all the kids refused to live with her, the father took them all back and he had nothing. The young man knew what women were like, his mother was a good teacher. He had a girl friend, but didn't pedestalize her, no total trust, no giving her everything, some people might even say a little cruel. He said he made it clear to her the door was always open, she could go anytime if she didn't like it. He didn't know the meaning of the word Hypergamy, but knew what it was all about. Briffault's Law was the same and agreed with the definition. He never got the chance to try out Blue pill before his mother rammed the Red Pill down everyone in the family.

There's no helping them. I even had a friend who was a MGTOW turn into a simp overnight when he met The One. I'll let my relatively relaxed and problem free lifestyle speak for itself. It's already starting to ruffle a few feathers as they sink ever deeper into the marriage, kids, big house, expensive cars, zero leisure time quicksand. Misery loves company and I ain't it.

OP, one thing I've learned in my life is lots, if not most people don't want to be helped. In some cases offering unwanted help can actually be very dangerous. I think everyone needs their own suffering before having a chance to awaken. Regarding TRP: how many times did you see/ read "a friend pointed me on TRP and now I know." I can't remember any case. Red found me.
Yes it's sad to see friends slip into the blue swamp. But it's their path and not yours. If you do want to help, open your heart and wait until they ask for it. F.e. "you seem so tranquil and in balance in your life. How do you do that?" Only then start to introduce Red. I wouldn't start with "women are small children parasites with only 1 thing to offer and feminism is a cancer." They will start with denial. Like you and me did. If you go in full guns blazing, they won't get out of the denial. Chances are they sink even further into the blue cesspool.

Nothing you can say will ever "convert" a blue-piller. Agree with RedPilledSimp, doing so can actually be quite dangerous as you'll just let the blue-pill rage out of the bottle. By and large, people don't change and sad as it may be, the majority will spend their life running on the bluepill treadmill never realising there's anything wrong with them. The only way your mates will learn is by getting burned down the road. Until then, as Voltaire says, all you can do is cultivate your own garden and live your life.

You can't help them. They have to help themselves.

Originally Posted by F*ckThePlantation

Most my buddies are solid blue-pillers, how do I share some home truths and try to offer warning without damaging our friendships and coming across as the mate with issues.

We are close enough to be able to talk about our damaging experiences with the ‘gentler’ sex, but these end up being perceived as unique to previous exes, and not a general theme relating to all woman.

I’ve given up, as my efforts are a lost cause. Unfortunately, the only way that seems will work with them is more first hand experience with life changing consequences. By then, it’ll be too late.

Makes me wonder how much blue-pillers really want the truth. I suspect they know the risks but can’t stomach the alternative to man-up and take control of their lives. Therefore, trying to reach more of the masses is a bit pointless as they enjoy short-term bliss and probably feel lucky to have a missus to boss them around. Too many man feel like losers without a bird, then settle for what’s available.

On the upside, it gives me a boost to come here to get my daily dose of realism to help prevent me falling off the wagon again and getting entwined with a ‘unicorn’. So maybe I just need to focus on myself, and build a stronger tolerance for resisting their charms. Without practise, it feels soooo easy to let my guard slip and resent my actions.

Your thought process looks solid. You've seen a bigger picture. Most of your friends don't get it. You've apparently tried to offer some information and started to get a taste of how difficult it is to get these things across to other people. So you conclude it's best to give up and focus on yourself. It's a good place to be.

As you go forward, you might find some (if not most) of these relationships simply dissolve, especially after friends sign a marriage contract. It's kind of amazing how quickly it happens. You think you have some firm connection with people, only to discover how thin it is in reality. Once married, their energy is pulled toward maintenance of the wife and reproduction. You likely won't fit into the picture.

You might get called to offer advice to people along the way. People can seem in agreement during casual conversation, then they will go out and do something totally opposed to what they claimed to believe. It happens all the time. "Yes I know marriage is usually a bad deal, but my cupcake is not like that. It's going to be different for me". They have to learn on their own. So when offering advice or help keep in mind the principle "No good deed goes unpunished". You will get turned into the "mate with issues", possibly without your saying much at all.

Everybody's individual path is different, so much of the details you'll have to work out on your own. There are good general principles all the way through this thread to work with.

Originally Posted by RedPilledSimp

OP, one thing I've learned in my life is lots, if not most people don't want to be helped. In some cases offering unwanted help can actually be very dangerous. I think everyone needs their own suffering before having a chance to awaken. ....

The addiction to women is very much like alcoholism. And what's the only real cure to alcoholism? It is: waking up in the gutter, figuratively or literally. So you can see the analogy. It will take some really f%cked up situation with a women to wake up most blue pillers. In fact, they may require a few mornings waking up in the gutter. In fact, that still might not stop their "alcoholism/addiction."

Relatedly, this is also the response to those who say: "If you're going MGTOW, why don't you just actually shut up and go away? Why do you keep talking about women?"

The answer to that is this: Are you against AA meetings? Because that's what MGTOW boards and forums are.

Originally Posted by Frosty-Gate-8094

"What about dying alone?".
There is a 50% chance he will get divorced anyways, and die alone. But with 50% less savings and property..

This one always pisses me off. Everyone dies alone. You prefer dying with someone around you? Why? It won't stop the dying part.

Originally Posted by DangZagnut

This one always pisses me off. Everyone dies alone. You prefer dying with someone around you? Why? It won't stop the dying part.

I want to die alone.

Originally Posted by F*ckThePlantation

Most my buddies are solid blue-pillers, how do I share some home truths and try to offer warning without damaging our friendships and coming across as the mate with issues.

Introducing someone to the red-pill is dangerous. Not in a life threatening way, but threatening to your friendship with them.

I’ve managed to do it once or twice, but mostly I see them (blue-pillers) as irredeemable.

What worked, when it worked, was not being judgemental. Don’t dictate. Don’t say “you’re wrong, this is the way it really is.”

When it worked I waited for them to complain about something, then suggested something relevant but humorous – like early Bill Burr or older George Carlin. Something that they could laugh about but also get the point that they weren’t alone in their observations, that it wasn’t only me.

And I never advocated staying away from the wymminz, just to try to understand where they’re really coming from.

I.M.O. subtlety works better than brute reality.

Originally Posted by DangZagnut

This one always pisses me off. Everyone dies alone. You prefer dying with someone around you? Why? It won't stop the dying part.

My grandfather died alone in a nursing home 15 mins drive from the house he worked to pay for. He had kids and grand kids. Ask nursing home workers. Most people actually wait until everyone is gone before they die. And most people die after 2am.

Why die alone when you can take them out and die together? More the merrier! Just kidding. There's no worse fate than a woman living alone with no one to manipulate, they need someone to to drive into their grave!

Originally Posted by Kryptic

My grandfather died alone in a nursing home 15 mins drive from the house he worked to pay for. He had kids and grand kids. Ask nursing home workers. Most people actually wait until everyone is gone before they die. And most people die after 2am.

That’s a huge red pill I’ve seen many times.

Exact same situation as you described.

Guys who’ve been married with children for decades, dying alone in a nursing home 15 minutes away from their house.

One of the realities of life is that ultimately nobody gives a fuck about you.
Women might like you because you look good, fuck them well and give them the tingles in their cunt.
Your kids might like you, because you give them money.
Everybody likes you as long as they can get something from you.

The moment you are old and sick, they will abandon you.

I don't help them with anything unless they ask. Their personal life is their personal life.

Originally Posted by DangZagnut

This one always pisses me off. Everyone dies alone. You prefer dying with someone around you? Why? It won't stop the dying part.

Haha yeah me too. Ain't nobody going with you man. That's one thing we all got to do alone. No exceptions.

Getting married etc. is no guarantee of anything either. Neighbor of mine, his wife died before him and his kids all live away. He's in his 90s now.

You can't. You can't de-brainwash blue-pill-brainwashed men. The only way possible would be to put them all in labor camps isolated from the rest of the world and then constantly show them films about the insantiy and injustice of the blue pill world and films about the hypocrisy of feminism. Make them work hard every day and then their mental diet is a steady one of anti-blue-pill stuff, allowing them no contact with the outside world, and eventually they would come around. And let them know when they graduate from their studies in the camp, they can be released.

That MIGHT work. But you can't do that. It would certainly get you in all kinds of legal trouble.

Originally Posted by TigPlaze

You can't. You can't de-brainwash blue-pill-brainwashed men. The only way possible would be to put them all in labor camps isolated from the rest of the world and then constantly show them films about the insantiy and injustice of the blue pill world and films about the hypocrisy of feminism. Make them work hard every day and then their mental diet is a steady one of anti-blue-pill stuff, allowing them no contact with the outside world, and eventually they would come around. And let them know when they graduate from their studies in the camp, they can be released.

That MIGHT work. But you can't do that. It would certainly get you in all kinds of legal trouble.

We MGTOW are the hydrocarbons that made it out of the combustion chamber, past the catalectic converter, and out the tail pipe! My point is we gave no empowerment to their cultural engine and made it out alive!

Just give it time and they'll run out of fuel!

We see their fuel emergency and desperation as marriage/divorce penalties are now applied to cohabitation, and women granted more rights and privilege topped off with entitlements as men are villainized and lawfully discriminated against by made up quotas and opposite application when we're the minorities in education and top paying employment positions, all whiles being reserved for the mindless brutal dangerous and dirty needs of society, otherwise cannon fodder!

GIVE. THEM. NOTHING.

TAKE. AWAY. EVERYTHING!

My father was tough, but three years in a WW II prison camp had him looking like a holocaust survivor. Mom was a social outcast. In 1945, single mom was not a thing. In society's eyes, you're married or you're a slut.

The old man's life up to this point had been shit. Mom didn't like being no single whore. If this guy would have her and my brother, she was going to prop his ass up any way she could. For 57 years they had each other's backs.

It wasn't perfect. Living with the old man's demons was a bitch and nobody but mom liked that part. I got by cause I didn't know any better. They had some bad luck along the way too, more than most people.

What they had then was a better life than what I have today, MGTOW or not. I got no idea what it's like to have a true partner that can always be trusted. Was there relationship a long shot? Well fuck yes, but it happened.

I tried to hook Bam's message to this, but it didn't work.

Originally Posted by frog

What they had then was a better life than what I have today, MGTOW or not. I got no idea what it's like to have a true partner that can always be trusted.

I’ve heard stories like this before.

I’ve also heard stories of people who thought their parents had such a partnership, to find out on their deathbed, that it was all a lie.

If you think that having a partner is better than going your own way, then I have to ask the obvious question: What are you doing here?

Go out and live the life you want!

Originally Posted by frog

My father was tough, but three years in a WW II prison camp had him looking like a holocaust survivor. Mom was a social outcast. In 1945, single mom was not a thing. In society's eyes, you're married or you're a slut.

The old man's life up to this point had been shit. Mom didn't like being no single whore. If this guy would have her and my brother, she was going to prop his ass up any way she could. For 57 years they had each other's backs.

It wasn't perfect. Living with the old man's demons was a bitch and nobody but mom liked that part. I got by cause I didn't know any better. They had some bad luck along the way too, more than most people.

What they had then was a better life than what I have today, MGTOW or not. I got no idea what it's like to have a true partner that can always be trusted. Was there relationship a long shot? Well fuck yes, but it happened.

I tried to hook Bam's message to this, but it didn't work.

Originally Posted by Bam

I’ve heard stories like this before.

I’ve also heard stories of people who thought their parents had such a partnership, to find out on their deathbed, that it was all a lie.

If you think that having a partner is better than going your own way, then I have to ask the obvious question: What are you doing here?

Go out and live the life you want!

You're one manipulative SOB that can't wait to draw blood and paint it blue!

Frog was laying out the facts of his life and his historical prospective on the sacrilegious decimation of society he and I only got a glimpse of before it vanished so many decades ago, only the erode into this vulgar disguising ass backwards bullshit fruition we live in today.

What are YOU doing here, and why are you being so divisive?

Fuck walking on your eggshells! Here, have some tacks!

Originally Posted by mgtower

You're one manipulative SOB that can't wait to draw blood and paint it blue!

Frog was laying out the facts of his life and his historical prospective on the sacrilegious decimation of society he and I only got a glimpse of before it vanished so many decades ago, only the erode into this vulgar disguising ass backwards bullshit fruition we live in today.

What are YOU doing here, and why are you being so divisive?

Fuck walking on your eggshells! Here, have some tacks!

Save your bullshit fairytales of the good ol’ times for somebody who doesn’t know any better.

If I want to know about those times, I’ll read Ester Vila’s “The Manipulated Man”.

I am glad we got rid of that horrible illusion and now the cards are on the table.

I am here because I don’t want to live on the plantation. Not in 1950, not now, not ever.

I’d ask what it is you are doing here, but we both know that I’m not gonna get a coherent answer except for insults and weird pictures.