Thread: How to help blue-pill mates

Most my buddies are solid blue-pillers, how do I share some home truths and try to offer warning without damaging our friendships and coming across as the mate with issues.

We are close enough to be able to talk about our damaging experiences with the ‘gentler’ sex, but these end up being perceived as unique to previous exes, and not a general theme relating to all woman.

I’ve given up, as my efforts are a lost cause. Unfortunately, the only way that seems will work with them is more first hand experience with life changing consequences. By then, it’ll be too late.

Makes me wonder how much blue-pillers really want the truth. I suspect they know the risks but can’t stomach the alternative to man-up and take control of their lives. Therefore, trying to reach more of the masses is a bit pointless as they enjoy short-term bliss and probably feel lucky to have a missus to boss them around. Too many man feel like losers without a bird, then settle for what’s available.

On the upside, it gives me a boost to come here to get my daily dose of realism to help prevent me falling off the wagon again and getting entwined with a ‘unicorn’. So maybe I just need to focus on myself, and build a stronger tolerance for resisting their charms. Without practise, it feels soooo easy to let my guard slip and resent my actions.

People are prone to cognitive biases. Basically, they only want to hear things that match their preconceived ideas. There's not much you can do for your friends. Some will see the light after a divorce or two, or after wasting several years on a girl.

I don't think you can do very much. Other than lead by example. Live a better life than they do. What they really wish they could do. You will have more time and money to do so. You won't have anything to limit you.

I’ve given up, as my efforts are a lost cause. Unfortunately, the only way that seems will work with them is more first hand experience with life changing consequences. By then, it’ll be too late.

I would bet this is how the bulk of MGTOWS evolved. My guess is it would be the rare dude who listened to a friend and said, you know he's right. Think I'll dump her and go solo. I'll be better off.

Myself when a blue pill married friend comments on things, he can't do with me, but would like to. Or a cool purchase I made that he can't. That's when I toss in a mild dig like it's not luck. It's an unchained lifestyle choice. I'm really liking it too.

Originally Posted by F*ckThePlantation

Most my buddies are solid blue-pillers, (…j

That’s very, very bad. I don’t think you quite realize how bad!

One of the most important things in life is the company you keep.

Hang out with alcoholics and you’ll start drinking, hang out with thieves and you’ll start stealing, hang out with the poor and you’ll lose your wealth. That’s why you will never see successful people spend their spare time with losers.

Your “buddies” will probably end up blue-pilling you and not the other way around.

The reason I’ve been successfully going my own way for over 16 years now is that I only associate with other red pilled men. My standards are crazy high in that regard. If I hear any blue-pilled nonsense out of your mouth, I’ll move away from you quickly.

And yes that means that you’ll have a lot of time by yourself.
It’s the price you pay for wisdom.

You can’t help them. They have to realize it on their own.

If they had brains they would. But they don’t.

All you’ll do is sound like a creepy guy ranting about communism.

I don't go looking for new blue pill friends but would never dump the ones I already have. Besides, if I did that, I'd hardly have any friends left.

There must be guys out there who learned without peeing on the electric fence themself, but I don't know of any. Nobody thinks it can happen to them, at least at first.

Originally Posted by frog

There must be guys out there who learned without peeing on the electric fence themself, but I don't know of any.

I never peed on an electric fence …

Originally Posted by Bam

I never peed on an electric fence …

It's not a good idea.

Originally Posted by frog

It's not a good idea.

I think you get electrocuted.

And if you hang out with people who pee on electric fences all day they’ll eventually change your opinion about it. Can’t be that bad if they are all doing it, can it?

You might wanna consider peeing on it too.

I heard some fences don’t have power running through them.

And before you know it, you’ll whip your dick out and piss on that fence you see there.

The company you keep …

Some guys would fuck an electric eel, so why not piss on an electric fence with that logic?

Not everyone is capable of even handling the red-pill - the truth can be more damaging to some than helpful in this regard.

Point them towards divorce statistics, if they are too brainwashed to dig into it themselves then expect them to get fisted in court eventually and don't bother losing sleep over it.


The difficulty is analogous to attempting to free one of their internalized views on religion or god that they've been indoctrinated to since a wee bit child, usually an endeavour prone to failure and frustration.
Was a SD video I recall called "Male desire for Unfreedom" that dug into this.

Originally Posted by Toolband89

People are prone to cognitive biases. Basically, they only want to hear things that match their preconceived ideas. There's not much you can do for your friends. Some will see the light after a divorce or two, or after wasting several years on a girl.

There's no helping them because of what Toolband89 has said.
The vast majority of us here were, and to a degree, still are subject to cognitive dissonance when it comes to "Women being Wonderful"
We've been indoctrinated with this belief system by our mothers and society since birth.
Cognitive dissonance is having a belief system. All facts that don't fit into that belief system are processed as exceptions or anomalies, no matter how often these exceptions or anomalies occur.
I like the phrase cognitive bias much better, it's self explanatory even though it doesn't explain the degree of involuntary tunnel vision involved.
The more you try and help by explaining AWALT, the more you'll be distancing yourself from them.
This "moving away" will accelerate to warp speed when they get trapped by another woman, which they invariably will because sooner or later he'll spill his guts about your ideas to his new little pumpkin.

Originally Posted by Bam

I never peed on an electric fence …

It's a rural joke. Guys should know better, but they don't. You don't have to piss on it either, grabbing the dumb thing will work as well. It won't kill, but it hurts.

Bam, I think I understand where you're coming from, and can only imagine the dirty tricks the blue pill world rolls out when a Chad comes along.

If I were young, or a Chad, I might have a problem. But as a geezer and one of the great unwashed, I'm pretty safe. No one's tried to set me up for over 30 years. Anyway, they're my friends. Real friends, who have supported me since Richard Nixon was president. And I do the same for them. They have no desire to see me married and divorced.

I'd have more interest in joining their club if there was any chance of sucess. But there's not.

Most of them know the truth or at least parts of it. But you hear them say things like "Oh but they're all like that!" or "They all do that!" or "Women, can't live with 'em" etc etc

They are willing to take the hits so they can have the nookie, get married have kids. Lose it all and then in some cases do it all over again. On a guitar forum I am a member of one poster made the comment in relation to someone else's post about his girlfriend "My third wife was beautiful but evil."

What now? Third wife?! You failed twice before but tried for a third time?

It's not that they don't know. They don't care. They have been programmed to accept it as part of the male experience. It doesn't have to be.

Yep, there’s a lot to risk by saying too much. I’ll focus on what I can control myself and maintain contact socially. It’d be ineffective to lose mates over this, I’m more likely to piss on the electrified fence by mistake rather than via their influence. For me, it’s more about my understanding my self-worth and not letting my standards fall at any point.

Don’t agree that isolation is the price of wisdom, surely it’s how you apply your knowledge. This way, our mature viewpoints are sufficiently robust to handle interaction with anybody we wish. This I feel strongly as society often attempts to censor controversial opinion but this provides insight to which side of a debate holds the weaker hand.

Reckon if enough of us pissed on the fence, besides short-circuiting, a few blue-pillers might fall off!

Originally Posted by JustWannaRetireFk

Not everyone is capable of even handling the red-pill - the truth can be more damaging to some than helpful in this regard.

Very true.
I have a work colleague like this and he knows his wife is a cheating whore, but he lives in denial and blames the men that fuck her for seducing her. Like there are all these Don Juans running around seducing 40 year old ladies … He has kids with her and I can see the pain in his eyes.

I know that it is easier for him to just live a lie than face the truth, so I leave him alone.

But if you are a bachelor, there is no reason not to get red-pilled.

Originally Posted by F*ckThePlantation

Most my buddies are solid blue-pillers....

Just wanted to add: the overwhelming majority of people, men and women, are blue pillers.

In general, very interesting post with a lot of great thoughts. The part about how most men are happy to have any "bird" is especially trenchant.

The corollary to this is, if you have any standards as a male, and would prefer solitude to sub-par companionship, then you "must be gay." Many women will say this. And then: "Not that there's anything wrong with that."

Originally Posted by Faramir

Just wanted to add: the overwhelming majority of people, men and women, are blue pillers.

In general, very interesting post with a lot of great thoughts. The part about how most men are happy to have any "bird" is especially trenchant.

The corollary to this is, if you have any standards as a male, and would prefer solitude to sub-par companionship, then you "must be gay." Many women will say this. And then: "Not that there's anything wrong with that."

Women can't comprehend the idea that a man would reject them. Even the ugly ones think the whole world is just gagging to get into their pants. That is why it is still not common practice for women to approach men and when they do try it is usually so subtle that the man doesn't even pick up on it.

I hope it never becomes common either as women can't handle rejection.

I always see it this way - When a woman doesn't like a man, there must be something wrong with the man. When a man doesn't like a woman, there must be something wrong with the man.

Originally Posted by frog

I'd have more interest in joining their club if there was any chance of sucess. But there's not.

Success at what?

Originally Posted by F*ckThePlantation

We are close enough to be able to talk about our damaging experiences with the ‘gentler’ sex, but these end up being perceived as unique to previous exes, and not a general theme relating to all woman.

Never try to generalize women if you want to convince a blue-piller.
They will get defensive and accuse you of misogyny and may even shut-off the conversation.

You want to convince them, first provoke an insight.

Just ask them why they keep persuing women, even though they had mostly bad experiences.

The natural answer is that, they were bad women, and I ll find a good one.
Fair enough. Just ask the total number of women they have dated. (Not just sex, dated overall)... May be 50-100.
Ask them how many have treated them badly...
Even if the number is 50%, its significant.

Now bring up the divorce statistics.
How 50% marriages end in divorce. How men pay alimony, child support 90% times. Men lose custody 85% times. And who initiates divorce.

Now ask them what is their final goal of dating..
I bet for blue pillers its marriage and kids (family)..

Explain to them that their experience with dating isn't much different from the average marriage experience...
If they really think dating is hard-work, then marriage is 10 times worse...

Marriage is not the prize for dating, its the ultimate punishment.

The worse part is, you can walk away from a bad date or bad GF, BUT you cant walk away from a bad marriage.
At least not without losing your kids, your property, and paying hefty settlement +/- alimony/CS.

If they think dating is bad, imagine what marriage would be.

"Then what about 'having a family'?"

That's where MGTOW comes in. Tell them that man is a complete human being on his own. He doesn't need anybody to complete him. He can be happy on his own.
If he isn't happy, nobody else can maje him happy. And if ge is already happy, he doesn't need anybody else anyways.

"What about s*x?"
Well there are plenty of options. Its 2021, women do not have a monopoly over sex anymore.

"What about dying alone?".
There is a 50% chance he will get divorced anyways, and die alone. But with 50% less savings and property..

As you can see, you can take women completely out of the equation, and the MGTOW argument still makes complete sense.
You have to just sit back and do a calculation of cost-benefit analysis of relationships and marriage.
Make them do it themselves, and then present your argument. (Make sure you don't use the MGTOW word.)...

It works most of the times.

Also you can make a mention of the anti-male marriage laws, like husband being the default father of an affair baby, biased DV laws, DNA tests being disregarded while ordering CS, common law marriage laws, etc.
Give them complete information. Most smart men know what to do with it. And women don't get married to dumb men anyways.