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    How to destroy generosity

    If you and I go to a sports pub to watch a game an order some food and drinks, it would be normal for us to either do separate tickets or just calculate up who owes what or even just do a simple 50/50 split. However, if you're a good friend of mine, there's a chance I might say, "This one's on me." I'm generous with people that I like. However, if someone were to simply expect that I pick up the tab, there's the quickest way to destroy my generosity. I wouldn't want to meet with someone like that, and if for some reason I did, I would be more inclined to insist that they pay their portion.

    And that's why I'm not generous with women. They simply expect the man to pay. Yet they hypocritically demand equality. Fuck them. They can pay for their own shit.

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    It is sad how many people take a simple act of kindness as a sign of weakness.

    An act can only be generous if it isn't a responsibility. Boss who pays his employees isn't generous at all.
    If kind behaviour is to be expected, no longer is it perceived as kindness.

    Yeah, fuck them. We live in a society of entitled people. Everyone things you owe them something.
    In reality though, you only owe them as much as you accept. You can only be used to a degree that you allow to be used.

    Regarding equality - I love this concept. This means less social obligations for me.
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    Re: How to destroy generosity

    Quote Originally Posted by TigPlaze;187817I
    They simply expect the man to pay. Yet they hypocritically demand equality. Fuck them. They can pay for their own shit.
    That has never happened to me in my life.

    Females only do this with guys they don’t feel attracted to and want as a provider.

    I’ve never understood guys who fall for this.

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    Re: How to destroy generosity

    Even if you're not going on a date......

    I moved to a new area and met a woman in the gym. I know virtually nobody here and thought it would be good to befriend someone. We talked about local real estate- renting and buying, and we decided to meet up to talk more.

    I suggested place X, she then said "Can we meet at place Y instead". I said sure. I didn't bother looking up place Y but it turned out to be a somewhat pricey place.

    This crazy chick starts ordering drinks left and right. Mind you it's noon. She has like 4 drinks. She orders expensive food on the menu. Then she refuses to split the bill. None of her real-estate advice was worth what I had to shell out. This is the sort of place you don't want to get in trouble with the law so I just paid.

    I'm not one to say all women are batshit insane. I have several female friends that I do value. But there definitely is an entitlement. And when they refuse to pay, it's like they're willing to let the cops be called- that's how adamant they are about not paying lol. Nuts.

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    Re: How to destroy generosity

    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post
    Even if you're not going on a date......

    I moved to a new area and met a woman in the gym. I know virtually nobody here and thought it would be good to befriend someone. We talked about local real estate- renting and buying, and we decided to meet up to talk more.

    I suggested place X, she then said "Can we meet at place Y instead". I said sure. I didn't bother looking up place Y but it turned out to be a somewhat pricey place.

    This crazy chick starts ordering drinks left and right. Mind you it's noon. She has like 4 drinks. She orders expensive food on the menu. Then she refuses to split the bill. None of her real-estate advice was worth what I had to shell out. This is the sort of place you don't want to get in trouble with the law so I just paid.

    I'm not one to say all women are batshit insane. I have several female friends that I do value. But there definitely is an entitlement. And when they refuse to pay, it's like they're willing to let the cops be called- that's how adamant they are about not paying lol. Nuts.
    1. Never befriend females. Men and women can never be friends and there is absolutely no reason to talk to a female unless you both wanna fuck or you are having some sort of professional interaction.
    I personally stay far, far away from any dude who tells me he has females as his “friends”. That’s one of the bizarre phenomena in gynocentric, western countries that grown men think they are somehow buddies with bitches.

    2. I never even heard of a story like yours, but it is my understanding that the person who orders shit for themselves is legally obligated to pay for it. If somebody would’ve gotten into trouble it would’ve been her. I would’ve literally told her to go fuck herself.

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    Re: How to destroy generosity

    Quote Originally Posted by Bam View Post
    1. Never befriend females. Men and women can never be friends and there is absolutely no reason to talk to a female unless you both wanna fuck or you are having some sort of professional interaction.
    I personally stay far, far away from any dude who tells me he has females as his “friends”. That’s one of the bizarre phenomena in gynocentric, western countries that grown men think they are somehow buddies with bitches.

    2. I never even heard of a story like yours, but it is my understanding that the person who orders shit for themselves is legally obligated to pay for it. If somebody would’ve gotten into trouble it would’ve been her. I would’ve literally told her to go fuck herself.
    That's the fastest way to the meat grinder when you're a foreigner in a different country, different culture. What happened to Jag is tantamount to extortion, if she's willing to call the cops, she's also willing to lie, say it's a date then hitch her wagon to her culture, placing responsibility on the man for her negligence. I've been in countries where the legal system is guilty until proven innocent, it's not the kind of place to make any waves!

    I've seen their commando looking cops in action and they rounded up everyone there and sorted things out later! I was just a spectator stuck in traffic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    That's the fastest way to the meat grinder when you're a foreigner in a different country, different culture. What happened to Jag is tantamount to extortion, if she's willing to call the cops, she's also willing to lie, say it's a date then hitch her wagon to her culture, placing responsibility on the man for her negligence. I've been in countries where the legal system is guilty until proven innocent, it's not the kind of place to make any waves!

    I've seen their commando looking cops in action and they rounded up everyone there and sorted things out later! I was just a spectator stuck in traffic.
    I don’t know where this happened and I assumed it was a somewhat civilized country.

    If it’s somewhere in Jamaica and he is being extorted then that’s a different story altogehter.

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    Re: How to destroy generosity

    Going back to the OP, the conclusion is very simple; the quickest and easiest way to kill generosity is to abuse it. Looking back at my younger days, I have to wonder how much longer I would have been a sucker if people had simply said "thank you" more often.

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    Re: How to destroy generosity

    Quote Originally Posted by Bam View Post
    1. Never befriend females. Men and women can never be friends and there is absolutely no reason to talk to a female unless you both wanna fuck or you are having some sort of professional interaction.
    Well, it kinda depends on what you think of as a “friend”.

    I agree that guys and gals cannot be true friends, but it’s o.k. to have female buddies whose company you enjoy.

    You just need to be watchful that you don’t get roped in to a situation that has nothing to do with you. They’re good at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bam View Post
    I very strongly disagree. Men and women can’t and shouldn’t be buddies or friends. This concept is based on the bizarre idea that men and females are equal. The concept is a ridiculous abomination. It’s exactly the same as if a grown-ass man would start hanging out with a four year old, because he “enjoys his company”…. Seriously?

    There is a reason why in Islam, and originally in all other religions, men and women were kept separated. In the west it has become so common that nobody even questions this. That’s why I never go to office parties or other social events, because these events are always female dominated and the men there are weak bitches who pretend like this is somehow A-Ok. We live in a total clown world!

    In my entire life I’ve never met a female that had anything to say I wanted to hear. Unless it’s clear we’re gonna fuck, I don’t wanna talk to her.

    Any guy who tells me that he likes to hang out with his female “buddy” without the actual intent of fucking her thinks like a female. Why else would you wanna hang out with her?
    I think the only way that works is if the woman is physically unattractive to the man, like really unattractive not just average looking. Even then what tends to happen is male female dynamics still play a part, the man feels like he might have to pay for drinks or whatever it is, a pseudo romance starts to play out.

    Speaking of office parties a middle aged woman complained to me once that not one man even looked her over at the office party. She was really pissed off. I couldn't be bothered explaining that not only are men over women but they are also way too terrified to try the old office romance/sex routine let alone look a woman up and down!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bam View Post
    Man, gynocentrism runs deep!!

    Females and males have competing reproductive strategies. They are NOT cooperating, they are competing. Always!


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    Forgive my ignorance but can you elucidate what mean by competing reproductive strategies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bam View Post
    It’s exactly the same as if a grown-ass man would start hanging out with a four year old, because he “enjoys his company”…. Seriously?
    What a delicious comparison. Perhaps people should pay more attention to the cliches they pass around.

    If I met a girl at a gym and we decided to talk further elsewhere, choosing a restaurant, when the server came to take the order, I would say "separate checks" with all the confidence and propriety in the world. Nip that mooching shit in the bud.

    If it were two straight guys, would there be grounds for refusal to pay?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TigPlaze View Post
    If you and I go to a sports pub to watch a game an order some food and drinks, it would be normal for us to either do separate tickets or just calculate up who owes what or even just do a simple 50/50 split. However, if you're a good friend of mine, there's a chance I might say, "This one's on me." I'm generous with people that I like. However, if someone were to simply expect that I pick up the tab, there's the quickest way to destroy my generosity. I wouldn't want to meet with someone like that, and if for some reason I did, I would be more inclined to insist that they pay their portion.

    And that's why I'm not generous with women. They simply expect the man to pay. Yet they hypocritically demand equality. Fuck them. They can pay for their own shit.
    You need to listen to Styx's song "Too much time on my hands". This part sums it up.

    I have dozens of friends and the fun never ends
    That is, as long as I'm buying
    People always took advantage of my generosity. They would eventually turn on me and call me names. I actually had women call me "weak" to my face cause I literally went out of my way to help them. It got to the point where I noticed nobody bothers with me unless they wanted something or see the quote above. So I decided to be generious on their birthdays. But no one was around for mine or I got excuses such as "Oh Im broke. Holidays ya know?" I wasn't even worth the fucking dollar menu at McDonald's. So I cut off people completely. I am more happy and at peace.
    Stay away from women. They will only break your heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MGTOWFOREVER View Post
    But no one was around for mine or I got excuses such as "Oh Im broke. Holidays ya know?" I wasn't even worth the fucking dollar menu at McDonald's.
    That's terrible! If you were my friend, I would buy your lunch on your birthday, no problem.

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    I have to agree with Bam that it's a clown world, If not for what I can get out of women>>$$<<>>favors<<<>> wouldn't bother with them at all, I have ZERO female friends and the ones I've had faded away or all together vanished. No female is worthy of my inner sanctity of trust, I keep a firewall between them and myself and don't get romantically or emotionally involved with them.

    After all is said and done, it's my many experiences with them that taught me to extract them from my life and let them find a chump to happen on.

    Analytical thinking combined with life's brutal training, I learned it's best to not be involved with them outside the mindset of business.

    My symbiotic relationships that take little or no effort are and have been all men as far back as I can remember. Symbiotic reciprocation with females is harder than pulling hen's teeth, but I'm a resourceful bastard that commonly squeezes blood from stones!
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    >1. Never befriend females. Men and women can never be friends and there is absolutely no reason ....


    Wrong. As I just stated, I'm friends with several females- who are terrific friends that I'm grateful to have. As we've said on this forum since the beginning, having an extremist point of view that allows for no nuance, gets away from the truth. People like simple, extreme views because it's a simple rule to follow, with no further thought, but it's important to accept that reality isn't black&white, and use judgment.

    >2. I never even heard of a story like yours, but it is my understanding that the person who orders shit for themselves is legally obligated to pay for it. If somebody would’ve gotten into trouble it would’ve been her. I would’ve literally told her to go fuck herself.

    This country people get kicked out routinely for basic infractions. It is a law & order type of country. If I were in America at the time, maybe my response would be different.

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    I paid for dinner once for a girl and it turned into 4 years of me paying for every meal…sometimes 2 or 3 per day. I allowed myself to be used and it eventually turned into heated arguments. Finally she blurted out that she was raised to believe a man should provide for a woman. Never again.

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    Re: How to destroy generosity

    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post
    >1. Never befriend females. Men and women can never be friends and there is absolutely no reason ....


    Wrong. As I just stated, I'm friends with several females- who are terrific friends that I'm grateful to have. As we've said on this forum since the beginning, having an extremist point of view that allows for no nuance, gets away from the truth. People like simple, extreme views because it's a simple rule to follow, with no further thought, but it's important to accept that reality isn't black&white, and use judgment.

    >2. I never even heard of a story like yours, but it is my understanding that the person who orders shit for themselves is legally obligated to pay for it. If somebody would’ve gotten into trouble it would’ve been her. I would’ve literally told her to go fuck herself.

    This country people get kicked out routinely for basic infractions. It is a law & order type of country. If I were in America at the time, maybe my response would be different.
    Interacting with them is just a waste of time, period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgtow2021 View Post
    Interacting with them is just a waste of time, period.
    Your call if you want to go that route. If you want to be disgruntled and paranoid, that is your choice. At the same, just as I won't claim to tell you what you ought to do, you may also not want to package your own defeatist approach as "advice" for other men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post
    Your call if you want to go that route. If you want to be disgruntled and paranoid, that is your choice. At the same, just as I won't claim to tell you what you ought to do, you may also not want to package your own defeatist approach as "advice" for other men.
    Jagr, with all the respect in the world, I have to strongly disagree with you.

    I personally don't see any point of interacting with women as "friends". It will just end up with me being used , abused, talked about behind my back, and once she gets mad then the flood gates open. I am glad you have female friends . I really am. But I tried it and thought I found special unicorns but they weren't. Women brought me nothing but pain and drama. My life is better without them. Call it defeatist or some shaming tactics .Don't give a flying f**k.

    Am I bitter, hateful, or any of those shaming words? Nope. I went through my red pill rages. It ate me alive and I smashed so much shit just in pure anger cause the poor treatment lived rent free in my head. I moved on with my life and I'm doing way better. Time catches up to us all and be sure your sins will find you out is what I say.
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