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    How Feminism Leads to Strong, Free, Indepenent Men (MGTOW)

    Feminism has unwittingly changed my life for the better in many beneficial ways. This might seem counterintuitive at first, but hear me out.

    It never fails to amaze me how much feminism has liberated men, how feminism has enslaved women and how few men (and women) recognize this unwitting result of feminism's blatant misandry.

    To wit, in 1950 and prior, hardly any women in the US worked. Women nearly 100% exploited men for resources. Men were socially conditioned and socially shamed by women, religion, the state and Hollywood to "provide & protect", which is just another way of saying, "If you want 'love' and companionship, it's gonna cost ya sweetie.".

    In 2022, in all of human history, there have never been more women working for a living. How does this benefit men?

    (1) Women are now forced to pay taxes. In the recent past, women paid little to no taxes, leaving nearly the entire tax burden to men.

    (2) Women are now forced to educate themselves. In the past, nearly all women exploited men's education and labor for personal benefit, with men paying for women's education costs as well as their own.

    (3) Women are now forced to defend themselves. In the past, in all social altercations, it was expected that men lay down their lives, not only on behalf of their wives, but also on behalf of women with whom they'd never met. Now, you see men ignoring damsel's in distress and striking women back when attacked. What's good for the goose...

    (4) Women are now forced to support themselves. In the past, women just exploited men for their required resources.

    (5) We're very close to having women included in the military draft, which signals the end of absolute male disposability - the ultimate and most monstrous form of male exploitation - the human sacrifice of men's lives for the benefit of women and their state violence proxy.

    (6) Should they choose, men can now live lives free of the burden and anti-male oppression of marriage. Lest we forget, when a man marries a woman, he's also marrying the state, who will, in the event of divorce, brutalize the man on behalf of the woman.

    (7) In the not so distant past, men who where were convicted of crimes were offered marriage or conscription as a means to escape prison sentences. If you read the historical jurisprudence on family law, marriage has always been a tool used by the state to punish men who have sex outside of marriage. The less popular marriage and gynocentrism become, the more men are freed from the Matriarchal Domi-Matrix. Feminists are largely responsible for the decline in marriage.

    (8) In the not so distant past, men were made legally responsible for women’s bad behavior. To wit, if a woman committed a crime, there was a time when men would be tried and sentenced for women’s illegal behavior.
    All of the aforementioned freedom men have gained in recent history can be attributed to the unwitting ‘wins’ of feminism.

    I've read it was men who created feminism as a trap for unwitting, greedy, conniving women. We have such men to thank for masculinity's slow emancipation from the toxic grip of the Matriarchal Domi-Matrix.

    Once upon a time, a prince proposed to a princess. The princess refused and the prince lived happily ever after. The end.
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    Re: How Feminism Leads to Strong, Free, Indepenent Men (MGTOW)

    Feminism worked for me.

    They made an army, pumped out with fresh recruits each year of shallow, insecure, slutty women with daddy issues, and that's right in my wheelhouse. My entire sexual experience is due to these low self-esteem, daddy issue, girls.

    Sure they're just man haters, but they haven't impacted me negatively in any actual way. The trad cucks and hymen worshippers are the ones that have a problem, but then they're anti-sex anyway, so they cause their own problems. About then they aren't MGTOW, so they're setting themselves on fire chasing wives like blooper simps.

    They're the ones mad that there's been a half century of women having casual sex.

    Frankly I'm quite fine with women having casual sex. Again, worked out for me.

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    Feminism screwed me and I'll make it short and true. Most of the jobs I applied for my adult life have been managed by mean-spirited women that sounds like they think and feel low of me just because I'm an eager young man looking for a job to better himself. Back in the first many years, I would apply to anything that sparks my interest, but now I only apply for jobs I want to go to each day; Best Buy. I love my Best Buy store and I'll keep fighting to get a job until I happens. Good thing is that it's not managed by women in all 3 stages of the interview process.
    It's a man's world and we need to take it by the throat and make it give us what we desire.

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    Re: How Feminism Leads to Strong, Free, Indepenent Men (MGTOW)

    Quote Originally Posted by DangZagnut View Post
    Feminism worked for me.

    They made an army, pumped out with fresh recruits each year of shallow, insecure, slutty women with daddy issues, and that's right in my wheelhouse. My entire sexual experience is due to these low self-esteem, daddy issue, girls.

    Sure they're just man haters, but they haven't impacted me negatively in any actual way. The trad cucks and hymen worshippers are the ones that have a problem, but then they're anti-sex anyway, so they cause their own problems. About then they aren't MGTOW, so they're setting themselves on fire chasing wives like blooper simps.

    They're the ones mad that there's been a half century of women having casual sex.

    Frankly I'm quite fine with women having casual sex. Again, worked out for me.
    This was the somewhat fortunate effect on me as well, not that I didn't suffer some near death experiences as a result. Have been stalked by an armed X, falsely accused, sexxed up as an underage by multiple adult women and have had to fend off more than one huscuck, soyboycuck seeking blind, bloddy cuckvengeance. I also discovered that some women have no problem with 10 minute, impromptu stands, sans even introductions. Thankfully, I wised up before it was too late though. I'm just lucky I didn't get baby-trapped or disappeared/cancelled by a false accusation. I'm one hell of a lucky guy.

    Thanks feminism.

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    Re: How Feminism Leads to Strong, Free, Indepenent Men (MGTOW)

    We've been excused from all appointed patriarchal duties, expectations, and demands.

    We're the bitter cup of moral reproach long overdue! There's no men's tears to drink around here!

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    Re: How Feminism Leads to Strong, Free, Indepenent Men (MGTOW)

    Quote Originally Posted by MannSplainer View Post
    Feminism has unwittingly changed my life for the better in many beneficial ways. This might seem counterintuitive at first, but hear me out. [...]
    I pretty much agree your whole list. Basically they tried to guilt-trip us and control us, and the smart ones on our side threw up their hands in frustration and just walked away. Permanently.

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    Re: How Feminism Leads to Strong, Free, Indepenent Men (MGTOW)

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    We've been excused from all appointed patriarchal duties, expectations, and demands.
    What's even better is that it landed right in our laps with no effort on our part. Damn, life is good!

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    Feminism leads to strong free and Independent men - yes, but at great cost. Let's examine what Feminism did and the resulting implications for men (and MGTOW):

    (1) Feminism enabled women to walk away from their traditional gender roles (marriage, kids), thereby partly enabling men to do the same. However while society will applaud women for overturning gender roles, men are SHAMED and looked at suspiciously for not following traditional gender roles. The stay-at-home-Dad? Lazy, deadbeat. A man opts to remain single? Incel, potential terrorist. The initial judgement and subsequent treatment of men who are single verses women who are single are poles apart, and the disparity of treatment is getting wider. eg. Single man on the plane is asked to not sit next to kids, because it is assumed the single man could be a potential pedo. ALL men now viewed are potential rapists - I don't know where this will lead to in future, but it is likely that men will suffer a great deal.

    (2) Feminism Liberated women to be extremely sexual and hypergamous, thereby benefitting a small subset of men at the top with a virtually unlimited buffet of pussy.

    ____(i) This left vast numbers of men with only crumbs of attention from women. This slanted environment created an army of simps, white-knights and cucks who stand ready to perpetrate violence on behalf of women in return for the tiniest drop of attention and affection.

    ____(ii) The men enjoying the buffet of pussy has no incentive to settle, content with constantly rotating harems. Women who join these harems get pumped and dumped and replaced and become alpha-widows, and extremely bitter about men as a whole. These women are highly jaded and blame ALL men for their experience, and take voicing to their frustrations which leads to female political power and action.

    The combination of (i) and (ii) accelerates the Feminisation and the Misandry of men, in the education system, in the judiciary, and in the corridors of power, creating the gynocracy and institutional misandry we now see today where women have more - they have all the rights and privileges while men have been reduced to slaves holding all the responsibilities.

    (3) Women pay taxes? Sure, but its not enough to cover all the state and social welfare programs FOR women. The state has to come up with ways to cover these social welfare programs, leading to child support and the garnishment of men's wages. The state has been forced to rely on massive amounts of debt and money printing to fund the deficit, which will lead to long-term inflation. We will all have to pay higher prices in future for the same goods we buy today. We managed to stave off inflation because we offloaded costs to 3rd world countries where workers will work for a few cents a day, but now that these low cost countries are tapped out (aging rapidly, with rising labour costs), we're going to see inflation like never before and its going to get ugly.

    (4) Women forced to educate themselves? Not really, unless one considers underwater basket weaving or feminist dance therapy education. Study loans (more debt again) are the means, and there are now plenty of useless liberal arts and social sciences degrees which have little real world value. Men are more practical and gravitate towards STEM, however there are only so many spots in STEM fields and men have been squeezed out through STEM quotas and STEM scholarships for women.

    (5) Women defend themselves? They have an army of simps and daddy government to do it for them. Uniformed thugs with guns who have been raised their whole lives to white-knight for women and worship pussy will come to their aid. And all a women has to do is point at you or any other man and you'll be taken in for questioning, because of the Duluth model, which says only men can be perpetrators while only women are victims. And when it comes down to defending the country, you can bet your bottom dollar daddy government will exempt women from the draft, and will give the women all the safe roles far away from any shooting, while men will be drafted and sent to the frontlines to die in droves. Most of the men who are drafted will be the single men, the bachelors and the Incel-like, as historically the country has seen fit to grant married men exemptions from the draft (see here: MGTOW ideology, deemed and dubbed Terrorism. - Page 2 (goingyourownway.com))

    (6) Women support themselves? Sorry, but women have always been net liabilities - they may pay in $100 worth of tax, but they'll draw out $200 worth of social welfare benefits (link: It’s true: only men pay tax – FEMoid). Women are the majority of the voters and they will continue to vote in more women's programs and social benefits. Again, this will be funded with more debt, which we have no way to repay, which will lead to higher inflation.

    (7) Women in the military? See (5). They'll be exempt from the draft or given an out if they are pregnant. Even if they are included, they'll be placed in the back, manning patriot anti-missile systems, or drones, definitely far away from the shooting, which means men will be placed at the front lines. And their incompetence will be hidden if they fail to perform their duties or screw up and accidently rain friendly-fire down on our own frontline forces, causing more men than necessary to die. It'll be a big shitshow and a custerfuck.

    (8) Men can live free from the burdens of marriage (and the entanglements with the gynocentric state)? - YES. This is what we have, one of the few powers we have.

    (9) Men given an out from criminal convictions via marriage? Yes, the government will so generously offer men one choice of slavery with another choice of slavery.

    (10) Men historically made responsible for women? Yes and no. The main actor and person held responsible used to be the father and the husband - this has now been transferred to the gynocentric state, which enslaves all men. So individually you might not be held responsible for discharging a woman's debt, but collectively all men are now held responsible for it.

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    Throughout history, there have always been bachelors, single men who refused to be tied down. They were the smart ones. All Feminism did was help to lift the veil on the true nature of women, which helped the creation of more bachelors, more MGTOWs.

    And the costs of this are largely 'hidden' for now. But when the payment comes due, and it will come as the trillions of debt accrued has to be paid, either with inflation or with a collapse of the currency, the gynocracy will, without hesitation, sacrifice men and men's lives to fix it. We're at the early stages of it
    now, as we are running out of road to kick the can further.

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    Re: How Feminism Leads to Strong, Free, Indepenent Men (MGTOW)

    While I agree with some of the points (because I've always believed traditionalism to be the greater evil), the other side of the coin is feminism kicked down the door giving women unearned access to political and economic power where major decisions are made by women FOR women. You better believe that power upheld by women is only exercised in women's interests. And remember, power does corrupt.

    This paradigm shift is bleeding into our lives as a collective in ways you may be oblivious. It has left its handprint on the economy, education, politics, entertainment, sports, and the legal system. Just think of how Hollywood has changed in the last 10 yrs, how every major news platform mainly caters to women, how education (especially that of boys) is forever destroyed, the ongoing slow emasculation of men and boys,...

    Feminism may have set men free in a sense but it binds in many other ways. Something created from deep hatred (of men) can't totally liberate, as it liberates on one end it fastens on the other.
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    Re: How Feminism Leads to Strong, Free, Indepenent Men (MGTOW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Hedon View Post
    .. Feminisms may have set men free but it binds in many other ways. Something created from deep hatred (of men) can't totally liberate, as it liberates on one end it fastens on the other.
    Nicely put! You aptly said in one sentence what took me a page of beating around the bush to get at. Thank you.

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    One of the biggest benefits is that it is somewhat acceptable to stay unmarried as a man.

    20 years ago, you would be looked down upon, called gay, etc.

    But you still cannot come out and say you do not ever want to get married or else you will be labeled a woman-hater. But you can say you have not found your soulmate and that is an acceptable answer today.

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    I always say I was brought up with a strong work ethic and now I'm too busy to give a good woman the attention she deserves, and it's too late for me to change, so she'd be unhappy and lonely and that wouldn't be fair to her.

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    Re: How Feminism Leads to Strong, Free, Indepenent Men (MGTOW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Hedon View Post
    While I agree with some of the points (because I've always believed traditionalism to be the greater evil), the other side of the coin is feminism kicked down the door giving women unearned access to political and economic power where major decisions are made by women FOR women. You better believe that power upheld by women is only exercised in women's interests. And remember, power does corrupt.

    This paradigm shift is bleeding into our lives as a collective in ways you may be oblivious. It has left its handprint on the economy, education, politics, entertainment, sports, and the legal system. Just think of how Hollywood has changed in the last 10 yrs, how every major news platform mainly caters to women, how education (especially that of boys) is forever destroyed, the ongoing slow emasculation of men and boys,...

    Feminism may have set men free in a sense but it binds in many other ways. Something created from deep hatred (of men) can't totally liberate, as it liberates on one end it fastens on the other.
    Although I agree with the accuracy of these statements, they carry a sense of inevitability that I don't necessarily agree with. A major reason we are where we are is because we got lazy politically, and most of us still are. Moreover, many of us checked the "stupid boxes" in the voting booths, thus asking for more of the same. Some of us disengaged entirely from politics. Today, if I hear someone squawking about something he doesn't like (prices, repression, domestic spying, discrimination against the male sex, whatever), I ask him who he voted for. If I get a sheepish look, I got my answer and I simply turn my back.

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    Itís the voter thatís to blame. Not the one who didnít vote.

    Just like the vaxxers spread covid, by going out everywhere and not wearing a mask. Not the unvaxxed who does.

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    Err... Well, I guess in a way.. sorta. If you look at traditional societal structures, an authority (the church) would guilt and shame men into marriage, with only vagabonds, career soldiers and other anomalies escaping through happenstance. Even then, the pressure to get with a woman was severe. There are stories of women in Britain who would harass men into marriage, making his life a living hell until he wifed somebody up. Easy transportation (via automobiles) curbed this to a great extent, as did the gradual breakdown of the community structure. And churches still do this, to their members, even to this day. It's part of the reason why so many single-moms show up in churches... the are looking to find a marriage-minded guy. I even suggested church to a guy who simply COULD NOT get a woman... Next thing you know, he's getting married.

    Really, I see it as a matter of trade-offs. Yes, women did create the two-income home, but society compensated with inflation. Yes, abortion gets some guys out of fatherhood, but women started using it as a form of birth-control, and even a right-of-passage. (Lena Hedley said she wished she had gotten one, because she felt she had missed out of the modern-woman experience. NO BULLSHIT.) Yes, birth-control lets us blow inside a girl, but given the likelyhood of STD's and baby-traps, a guy is still better off hosing her down. It's all trade-offs.

    And society (women) still fully demand that a man fulfill all gender-roles that are convenient to her, such as Protector/Provider. You even hear gold-diggers openly say that is what makes a High-Value man. FDS is obsessed with it. Sure, they want Chad's dick, but you can bet that they DAMNED WELL want Billy's money. Back in the 80's/90's, at least half the girls at a college were literally there to find men with potential for a high income. And it still is. Women believe that if they are high-income, that it will attract men in the same tax-bracket. I remember laughing like hell when I saw a feminist freak-out because of a study saying that men are attracted to youth and beauty rather than income. She was SOOOOOOOOO pissed.

    Now, my personal belief is that Mother Nature is activating men's survival instincts to overwhelm their mating drive, or at least severely retard it. We live in an environment where the surest possible path (for a law-abiding man) to emotional and economic destruction is chasing-women. Seriously, "working hard and playing by the rules" totally works if you remove women from your life. We are living proof.

    I don't think that ALL feminism is bad... some of it did a great deal to improve the lives of men and families, particularly in the realms of labor-disputes. It stabilized society to some extent. Even in the late 70's, it was still doing some good for society... but inevitably, it became a quest to maximize women's ability to treat men as disposable livestock. It's current iteration is utterly obsessed with doing so. And the world it has created is forcing men to go off the plantation for the sake of survival itself.

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    Re: How Feminism Leads to Strong, Free, Indepenent Men (MGTOW)

    Quote Originally Posted by ScrewJita View Post
    I don't think that ALL feminism is bad... some of it did a great deal to improve the lives of men and families, particularly in the realms of labor-disputes. It stabilized society to some extent. Even in the late 70's, it was still doing some good for society... but inevitably, it became a quest to maximize women's ability to treat men as disposable livestock. It's current iteration is utterly obsessed with doing so. And the world it has created is forcing men to go off the plantation for the sake of survival itself.
    I think this is a great point. It was the inevitable outcome of what Maria Katasonova spoke of in a video Brittany Pettibone made over in Russia around three years ago. MK's main theme was the absurdity and destructiveness of pushing things too far, past the point of equilibrium and common sense, to the point of violating the Natural Order Of Things. (I'm paraphrasing; those were not the terms she used.) She said she saw Western feminism as undesirable and illogical.

    Lest the name "Pettibone" set some of you off, let me say that in this video she was only asking questions and providing an opportunity for a non-U.S. feminist to air her views. That was her only involvement.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9LJx70KWuE

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    Wow. Lots of great analysis. I came here to learn and that's what I'm getting.

    I don't know if it's just my rotten family, but I have two female relatives, mother and sister, that both 'retired' (that's what they called it) on SSDI at exactly the same age (55). Underneath the thin, faux veil of social couth, both are highly evil, manipulative, cold, cunning, conniving, gold digging monsters as well. My sister openly hates men and my mother covertly hates men. They're both sweet and nice to any man that gives them free things, aka free fixes around the house, free fixes on the car, free nights out, nice gifts, etc, but as soon as they figure you for a 'financial loser' however, aka not a 'good man', you become persona non grata.

    Many years ago, I did a little test with my mom and sister to see how they'd react. I used a faux personal failure to make myself appear to be on the ropes, broke, facing eviction, recently fired from job, car repossessed, moments from home mortgage default, etc. I could hear in their voices the disdain for my existence in subsequent calls, which confirmed what I'd previously suspected. Neither offered any assistance other than, "I hope things work out for you." Both are convinced I'm homeless and hopeless, which was my secondary, hidden intent.

    Post divorce, despite the remaining and seemingly unquenchable grip of oneitis on my psyche, which lasted for years, my life got consistently better and better. Concurrent with divorce, I also, very fortunately, discovered MGTOW. I feel that, had it not been for the divorce and all that I'd learned from the MGTOW mindset, I wouldn't have been able to retire at a relatively young age. If I were still married, I'd still be doing all of the stupid, counterproductive things married men do, which would have sucked up an enormous percentage of my disposable income, preventing me from banking that money instead.

    Regardless of the negatives, I feel that there's a lot of unintentional positives for men in feminism. But the points made by many regarding the negatives, particularly the blatantly hypocritical negatives, are well taken and absolutely real. Feminism can and will destroy your life, which is the intent of many a man hating feminist. Nevertheless, my life is far better sans women and their state pimp/sugar daddy/violence proxy. I'd certainly never go back to the way things were. No way in hell.

    MEN ARE THE PROBLEM! MEN NEED TO MAN UP AND SUPPORT WOMEN! HE4SHE! ALL MEN ARE PIGS! BOYS ARE STUPID - THROW ROCKS! I BATHE IN MALE TEARS! TOXIC MASCULINITY! #KILLALLMEN! MAN SPLAINER! MANSPREADING! MEN NEED TO BECOME MORE LIKE WOMEN!

    The real reason behind the banning and censoring of MGTOW is to prevent all of the truths written here from reaching the mainstream. Women are desperate to hide the truth of their exploitation and usury of men from men, so they use their state violence proxy and naive, obsequious white knights to shutdown information and debate. Now that's pure evil.

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    While I agree with a lot of what OP wrote, the fact remains that in a natural context, men are disposable. There's simply no denying that. If a nation loses half of its men... well, that's a bad situation but it's not the end of the world. France got hit like a ton of bricks by World War I casualties and bounced back because those casualties were largely men.

    But if a nation loses 50% of its women, it's fucked. Fucked. Absolutely fucked.

    Our previous social order (call it "the patriarchy", if that works better for you) recognized those realities. And for those reasons, women were offered certain privileges and protections at the cost of other privileges and protections.

    Since voting is inextricably linked to Selective Service (that's a Supreme Court ruling, don't bitch at me about it), it made sense to exclude women from the voting franchise. Because they were being excluded from wartime service as well. Nobody had a problem with that arrangement. Until they had a problem with it, that is.

    By contrast, men were the ones who would have to fight the wars. We had more skin in the game than women did. Hence, we were permitted the vote because ultimately we would be the ones getting shot at if push came to ammo box.

    Think about it. If we had a female President, does she rly give a fuck about pissing off the entire world when she knows damn good and well she and her daughters won't have to fight the inevitable war? I'm thinking she doesn't.

    The bit about the draft is one of the big reasons a lot of women had to be talked into supporting the women's suffrage movement. They feared getting drafted. But they were promised that women would never be eligible for the draft. And we see how that's turned out.

    Affording women the vote without mandating that they register for Selective Service positioned them at a higher level of social importance than men. Women could steer the direction of the country without ever being called upon to fight. And we see the result of that today.

    Now then. The easy, libertarian chicken shit, Rise Above The Weeds answers is "Hurr duRr, lEt's jUSt Ab0LiShHh tEH dRAfT".

    No. Fuck that. No. The draft is an old American tradition at this point. "You want to vote? Register for the draft." That's the deal. Voting = the draft. The draft = voting. I refuse to separate them just to appease feminine angst. You girls wanted the vote. Now you've got it. And the way things are shaping up, your exemption from the draft is almost up.

    So, lock and load, sweetheart. And don't forget to wear your helmet, it's a war zone out there. Me, I'm well beyond the draft age so I'll just kick back and watch you defend my freedoms. Don't fuck this up, baby.

    Of course, you can avoid the draft entirely. Just don't register to vote and you'll be just fine.

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    Re: How Feminism Leads to Strong, Free, Indepenent Men (MGTOW)

    While I agree on some of your points, I'd like to focus on how feminism is affecting boys. I'm young enough to remember seeing the feminist emphasis really take hold in schools. Girls in my classes were given far more attention and encouragement over the boys. Those of us who were academically successful as males were able to achieve success through our own talents and familial support, ertainly not through any support from our schools and teachers. It's only gotten worse over the years. Schools/ teachers now blatantly tell boys that they're less than girls, little better than future monsters who will only hurt females. It's destroying the psyche of these boys, and one can only guess the sort of men these kids will grow into.

    Elsewhere feminism totally eliminates issues like male work injuries/death, homelessness, mental health, abuse, violence, etc from societal discourse. Not only are most people ignorant about these issues, they're indifferent. Think about everytime you hear a stat like "1 in 4 homeless are women." While it doesn't take a genius to realize that means 75% of homeless are men, semantics matter. That puts the focus and frame of the issue towards women. It's a subtle way of making people sympathetic toward homeless women, and indifferent toward men. It's the same with "women are the primary victims of war." It may seem stupid to us, but these messages do have impact.

    So, while we can make the argument that feminism has alleviated many of the societal pressures of males to be providers, it's also taken control of academia and the national discourse. It's steadily created a culture where misandry is accepted and encouraged. It's cultivated a near complete indifference towards issues that affect males. In a society where men were already considered expendable, it's normalized hatred of males while elevating females and convincing Western cultures that female superiority is the same as equality.

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    Re: How Feminism Leads to Strong, Free, Indepenent Men (MGTOW)

    Yes, I agree that feminism has hijacked places of learning and the national discourse, but that didn't have to be the outcome. To echo a point I made elsewhere, that fact does not automatically suggest the takeover was inevitable. There were many willing co-conspirators. Many of them were the average Joe and Jane who kept supporting the feminist media with their cable TV dollars, for instance. By failing to seriously boycott anything and everything that was polluted with the modern day cancerous variant of feminism. By simply ignoring the dozens of encroachments that surrounded them and were creeping closer and closer, and just going about their daily business as if nothing were wrong. Same thing happened in 1930s Germany. Or, to use an illustration mgtower has used before; the "frog in the water on the stove" analogy.

    Sad to say, humanity's got a flawless record all through history of waiting until it's too late. We're all supposed to be designed with great brains. Would be nice if we used them from time to time for things that are more important than what to post on Twitter.

    What a great wartime strategy for the opposition to use. Keep the enemy focused on meaningless bullshit, pull him real deep into it with drama and pretty decorations, lock him in good and tight so it becomes his daily routine, get him addicted, and slide the really important stuff right past him while his eyes are wide open but looking elsewhere.

    It's the price society pays for its inattention, sooner or later. The point is, though, every individual has the opportunity to "be not as stupid as that."


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