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    Re: How Feminism Leads to Strong, Free, Indepenent Men (MGTOW)

    Quote Originally Posted by OwenWentFullMGTOW View Post
    .. Think about it. If we had a female President, does she rly give a fuck about pissing off the entire world when she knows damn good and well she and her daughters won't have to fight the inevitable war? I'm thinking she doesn't.
    You're absolutely right. Women were granted right to vote but were never held with the responsibility to serve. Rights without responsibilities, there's another word for that and its called Privileges.

    The reality is we have always had women holding power behind the scenes - there's a reason for the saying 'the hand that rocks the cradle, rules the world'. Women have always held power behind the scenes. A good example of this are past Presidents of countries who have stated that they regularly consult with their wives on certain policy matters; some even proudly state that the country is getting a '2-for-1' deal, because they get both the President and his wife who will work on public policy.

    The only problem is the electorate never voted for the wife. The wife is NOT accountable if foul policy decisions are made. Her husband is 100% accountable. Her husband can be impeached, he can face charges. But since her signature isn't on any policy document, she isn't held responsible. Once again, another indicator that women have always held rights without any responsibilities. Women have always held special Privileges.

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    Re: How Feminism Leads to Strong, Free, Indepenent Men (MGTOW)

    Sorry to pierce your bubble. But women don't work, they just sit in their office and do simple office work. The government and corporations just make them as if them occupy important seats just as to trick more men into working longer hours. Since their social status is artificially elevated now, guys have to have more resources when they pursue them, men have to wage slave even more to get a taste of their pussy. It is just a money game.

    Yes, MGTOW have be outside of this rat race, but normal men do suffer more.

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    Re: How Feminism Leads to Strong, Free, Indepenent Men (MGTOW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Hedon View Post
    This paradigm shift is bleeding into our lives as a collective in ways you may be oblivious. It has left its handprint on the economy, education, politics, entertainment, sports, and the legal system. Just think of how Hollywood has changed in the last 10 yrs, how every major news platform mainly caters to women, how education (especially that of boys) is forever destroyed, the ongoing slow emasculation of men and boys,...
    But arent these "problems" such that can be easily solved IF only men organise themselves? Or if not solved, at least easily avoided (such as hollywood or media).

    But doing this, working together towards common goals, maybe isn't in line with the mgtow philosophy?

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    Re: How Feminism Leads to Strong, Free, Indepenent Men (MGTOW)

    Quote Originally Posted by JediLegoMaster View Post
    But arent these "problems" such that can be easily solved IF only men organise themselves? Or if not solved, at least easily avoided (such as hollywood or media).

    But doing this, working together towards common goals, maybe isn't in line with the mgtow philosophy?
    Where are these "men" you want to organize going to come from? The blue pill world? Good luck with that.

    We're gaining ground, and probably faster than it looks, but we're still a drop in the bucket of society. There's nowhere near enough of us for organized change to have a chance in hell. Especially for something as intrenched as the blue pill world.

    Oregon bikers went to a great deal of trouble getting the states mandatory helmet law overturned, only to see the governor veto it. Hundreds of people's work went down the shitter with one signature, cause there wasn't enough of us to fight back.
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    Re: How Feminism Leads to Strong, Free, Indepenent Men (MGTOW)

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtow2021 View Post
    Sorry to pierce your bubble. But women don't work, they just sit in their office and do simple office work.
    Every office job I've ever had, the women used work as an excuse to socialize. At least half their day is spent fluttering from cube to cube for chats, then going on walks to chat, lunch to chat. Then comes the maternity leaves. I was roped into public sector budgeting once for an agency that actually had employees record their hours as billable/ non-billable time. Needless to say the females' time overwhelmingly fell into the non-billable and paid leave category.

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    Re: How Feminism Leads to Strong, Free, Indepenent Men (MGTOW)

    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    We're gaining ground, and probably faster than it looks, but we're still a drop in the bucket of society. There's nowhere near enough of us for organized change to have a chance in hell.
    I just don't see where we need to be organized and try to force societal change. I have a 100% chance in hell to achieve what is best for me, guaranteed. Giving advice to young men to help them make good and informed life path decisions is one thing, and it's very good. But what benefit do we get from going beyond that? Being the squeaky wheel is not the right approach in our situation.

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    Re: How Feminism Leads to Strong, Free, Indepenent Men (MGTOW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris007 View Post
    I just don't see where we need to be organized and try to force societal change. I have a 100% chance in hell to achieve what is best for me, guaranteed. Giving advice to young men to help them make good and informed life path decisions is one thing, and it's very good. But what benefit do we get from going beyond that? Being the squeaky wheel is not the right approach in our situation.
    I'm with you on this one, but our new rookie was wondering.
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    Re: How Feminism Leads to Strong, Free, Indepenent Men (MGTOW)

    Copy that

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    Re: How Feminism Leads to Strong, Free, Indepenent Men (MGTOW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Toolband89 View Post
    While I agree on some of your points, I'd like to focus on how feminism is affecting boys. I'm young enough to remember seeing the feminist emphasis really take hold in schools. Girls in my classes were given far more attention and encouragement over the boys. Those of us who were academically successful as males were able to achieve success through our own talents and familial support, ertainly not through any support from our schools and teachers. It's only gotten worse over the years. Schools/ teachers now blatantly tell boys that they're less than girls, little better than future monsters who will only hurt females. It's destroying the psyche of these boys, and one can only guess the sort of men these kids will grow into.

    Elsewhere feminism totally eliminates issues like male work injuries/death, homelessness, mental health, abuse, violence, etc from societal discourse. Not only are most people ignorant about these issues, they're indifferent. Think about everytime you hear a stat like "1 in 4 homeless are women." While it doesn't take a genius to realize that means 75% of homeless are men, semantics matter. That puts the focus and frame of the issue towards women. It's a subtle way of making people sympathetic toward homeless women, and indifferent toward men. It's the same with "women are the primary victims of war." It may seem stupid to us, but these messages do have impact.

    So, while we can make the argument that feminism has alleviated many of the societal pressures of males to be providers, it's also taken control of academia and the national discourse. It's steadily created a culture where misandry is accepted and encouraged. It's cultivated a near complete indifference towards issues that affect males. In a society where men were already considered expendable, it's normalized hatred of males while elevating females and convincing Western cultures that female superiority is the same as equality.
    This is an extremely valid point. I'd heard of widespread discrimination and bias against boys and men in school, but to update myself on the issue, I Google'd 'bias discrimination against boys in school' and WOW. This is a HUGE deal. The bias and discrimination takes place in the wide open and is RAMPANT. I'm an older guy, so I never experienced this. When I was in school, I didn't notice ANY discrimination against anyone, regardless of race or gender.

    Every so often, I remind myself that the boys and men from newer generations will have a much harder time getting through life than I did. What's worse - there's a major effort afoot to make sure they don't know how to protect themselves from the society that hates their guts.

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    Re: How Feminism Leads to Strong, Free, Indepenent Men (MGTOW)

    Quote Originally Posted by OwenWentFullMGTOW View Post
    No. Fuck that. No. The draft is an old American tradition at this point. "You want to vote? Register for the draft." That's the deal. Voting = the draft. The draft = voting. I refuse to separate them just to appease feminine angst. You girls wanted the vote. Now you've got it. And the way things are shaping up, your exemption from the draft is almost up.

    So, lock and load, sweetheart. And don't forget to wear your helmet, it's a war zone out there. Me, I'm well beyond the draft age so I'll just kick back and watch you defend my freedoms. Don't fuck this up, baby.

    Of course, you can avoid the draft entirely. Just don't register to vote and you'll be just fine.
    If follow this one closely. I was deeply depressed for a few days after the inclusion of women in the draft in the last NDAA was scuttled by republicans. Heartbroken really. I couldn't believe it. "By all means, take my son - but keep your fucking hands off my daughter!" The supreme court won't take up the decision either. Fucking monsters use men as human shields and human sacrifices to better their own lot. I really can't say enough bad things about republicans. I hate them just as much as I hate democrats.

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    Re: How Feminism Leads to Strong, Free, Indepenent Men (MGTOW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris007 View Post
    I just don't see where we need to be organized and try to force societal change. I have a 100% chance in hell to achieve what is best for me, guaranteed. Giving advice to young men to help them make good and informed life path decisions is one thing, and it's very good. But what benefit do we get from going beyond that? Being the squeaky wheel is not the right approach in our situation.
    MRAs try to do this and get cancelled, demonized and dehumanized by just about everyone. That's the really sickening part - the effort to hide the truth is extraordinarily real and has way more power behind it than those attempting to expose the exploitation and disposal of boys and men by misandric, gynocentric, blue pilled forces. MGTOW was conflated with violence and banned for one reason and one reason alone - to hide the truth of male disposability from the mainstream. MGTOW was getting too much of a positive following - so they banned MGTOW on Reddit. That's some cold, inhumane schitt right there. They don't want more learned, knowledgeable, wise men teaching the latest generation of boys and men what's what. Why? They want those men blind and stupid so they fall into the Venus Fly Traps of Male Disposability. They want boys and men blown apart in the Gyno Minefields of Misandry because that's what keeps women and their state pimps living the high life.

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    Re: How Feminism Leads to Strong, Free, Indepenent Men (MGTOW)

    Quote Originally Posted by MannSplainer View Post
    This is an extremely valid point. I'd heard of widespread discrimination and bias against boys and men in school, but to update myself on the issue, I Google'd 'bias discrimination against boys in school' and WOW. This is a HUGE deal. The bias and discrimination takes place in the wide open and is RAMPANT. I'm an older guy, so I never experienced this. When I was in school, I didn't notice ANY discrimination against anyone, regardless of race or gender.

    Every so often, I remind myself that the boys and men from newer generations will have a much harder time getting through life than I did. What's worse - there's a major effort afoot to make sure they don't know how to protect themselves from the society that hates their guts.
    Exactly. I've heard stories of mothers voicing concerns over their sons coming home crying because they're convinced that they're monsters, or wishing that they had been born girls (these are the cases caused by feminist propaganda and curriculum, not the instances where a child feels different than their biological gender- that's a different discussion altogether).

    I'm in my early 30s and was somewhat protected by Catholic curriculum, so I didn't get the full dose of feminism through academia. By the time I got to college though, it was definitely in full swing. I saw girls with terrible GPAs getting into top schools over guys with 4.0+, sports, clubs, etc. I had to sit through hours and hours of lectures as professors droned on and on about woke BS. I had to play the game, write progressive drenched, sap filled papers. Thankfully, that was largely limited to my undergrad non-degree specific courses, but still. I may not have kids, nor will I likely ever have them, but I do worry about what kids are being taught. Apparently, now even math is part of the systemic oppression of the white patriarchy and needs to be severely altered or nixed altogether.

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    Re: How Feminism Leads to Strong, Free, Indepenent Men (MGTOW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris007 View Post
    I just don't see where we need to be organized and try to force societal change. I have a 100% chance in hell to achieve what is best for me, guaranteed. Giving advice to young men to help them make good and informed life path decisions is one thing, and it's very good. But what benefit do we get from going beyond that? Being the squeaky wheel is not the right approach in our situation.
    Right? No point in being the first volunteer for the gulag.

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    Re: How Feminism Leads to Strong, Free, Indepenent Men (MGTOW)

    In 2022 there have never been more fake jobs than women currently have. 100% supported by men with real jobs but getting none of the benefit of a wife or lover.

    Women are not actually educated. Due to the affirmative action laws schools have to graduate them regardless of if they learn the material. Schools are terrified of discrimination lawsuits and would rather let people find out for themselves that the women graduated are incompetent. The financial and reputation losses are still less this way, or at least slower.

    Then further down the line since these fake-educated women are unable to get work in the private sector they are inevitably employed by the state. Which means they are either in a dangerous position to create disastrous public works. More likely they are simply given a high paying do nothing job that instead of going to a proper working man is being taken up by her. All of this is part of the current and continuous collapse of society. Never forget the collapse is not coming it is already happening so be prepared.

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    Re: How Feminism Leads to Strong, Free, Indepenent Men (MGTOW)

    Quote Originally Posted by massy525 View Post
    In 2022 there have never been more fake jobs than women currently have. 100% supported by men with real jobs but getting none of the benefit of a wife or lover.
    I'm convinced we could eliminate the majority of jobs. Very few jobs actually produce anything, most exist just to provide an income. We're very close to the majority of people just receiving a guaranteed base income.

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    Re: How Feminism Leads to Strong, Free, Indepenent Men (MGTOW)

    1/ Men no longer need women to cook and clean. My grandfather couldn't cook anything beyond a sandwich or toast maybe eggs anyway. He didn't know how to use the washing machine either. Back then if a man's wife went to hospital another woman would step in to run the household. Even now with more traditional cultures you see the same thing.

    2/ Sex became more open. A man no longer had to have a girlfriend or wife to get laid.

    3/ The rose coloured glasses are off. Men no longer romanticize women. Even Blue Pillers tend to be more aware of women's true nature than Blue Piller's of the past. They still walk toward the wrecking ball but they do so at least in part knowing they are going to get hit.

    4/ Men are less inclined to White Knight, especially younger men who have been brought up with the idea that women are just as good if not better than men. The odd thing with bullshit propaganda is people still believe it and once believed it is very hard to un-believe.

    Overall Feminism has made women redundant.

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    Re: How Feminism Leads to Strong, Free, Indepenent Men (MGTOW)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kryptic View Post
    1/ Men no longer need women to cook and clean. My grandfather couldn't cook anything beyond a sandwich or toast maybe eggs anyway. He didn't know how to use the washing machine either. Back then if a man's wife went to hospital another woman would step in to run the household. Even now with more traditional cultures you see the same thing.

    2/ Sex became more open. A man no longer had to have a girlfriend or wife to get laid.

    3/ The rose coloured glasses are off. Men no longer romanticize women. Even Blue Pillers tend to be more aware of women's true nature than Blue Piller's of the past. They still walk toward the wrecking ball but they do so at least in part knowing they are going to get hit.

    4/ Men are less inclined to White Knight, especially younger men who have been brought up with the idea that women are just as good if not better than men. The odd thing with bullshit propaganda is people still believe it and once believed it is very hard to un-believe.

    Overall Feminism has made women redundant.
    I have two words that prove the patriarchy is kaput! "Costa Concordia", when the ship goes down, it's every man for himself, because there's no such thing as women, they abolished themselves! We're all men now, some with dicks, some without!


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    Re: How Feminism Leads to Strong, Free, Indepenent Men (MGTOW)

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    I have two words that prove the patriarchy is kaput! "Costa Concordia", when the ship goes down, it's every man for himself, because there's no such thing as women, they abolished themselves! We're all men now, some with dicks, some without!
    More like we're all women now, or at least genderless. Anything masculine is demonized. Boys are shamed for being males. Slogans like "the future is female" proliferate.

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    Re: How Feminism Leads to Strong, Free, Indepenent Men (MGTOW)

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    I have two words that prove the patriarchy is kaput! "Costa Concordia", when the ship goes down, it's every man for himself, because there's no such thing as women, they abolished themselves! We're all men now, some with dicks, some without!

    The captain of the Costa Concordia, Francesco Schettino was found guilty of manslaughter in 2016 and sentenced to 16 years in prison. Francesco Schettino was given 10 years for multiple manslaughters, 5 years for causing a shipwreck, and 1 year for abandoning the passengers at the time of the sinking.


    While most people demonized the guy, I was rooting for him.


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