Thread: How does nudity empower women?

I am seeing a lot of women going nude in public even in a conservative country like india, but i am not able to figure out exactly how this empowers them. Infact I've noticed a generation gap. Old women of past generation 1970s born shame these women. Say things like these modern girls are no better than whore. While these modern women say the old women were oppressed that they can't even dare to flaunt their bodies ( god's gift as they say) but to me, women getting naked in public still gives the impression that the women has lost her mind. What do you guys say? I mean in public lot of kids are grooving around. This crazy phenomenon will have a crazy impact on their psyche.

Update: women going around nude in public seems like drug addicts to me

It's not about empowerment, it's just about getting more attention.

Attention? But since simps make up around 40% in today's society, I think they're getting way too much attention already and if they want more, my best guess would be drugs. Hey is it possible that the old mythical story in which god creates the world, looks around and finds the whole world in coas. Animal eating animal. Everyone is on his guard to protect himself. Seeing the world in misery God creates a men and sends him straight down the road to greatness. With superior beauty of strength men creates order in the coas. Peace is restored in the world. But in the whole process god forgets about the devil who quietly creates a women which can numb men with her flesh and charm. Given the choice of strength and beauty, men abandons his superior strength and submits to inferior beauty. Now women does the devil's work restores coas in the order. but since men still had spiritual connection with God. God shows him the right way to create a set of rules which will help him crush the devil in a women. Civilization began and continued for thousands of years until a men lost his spiritual connection with God and abandoned his father's love, a prestigious gift : strength. With no one left to guide a men. Men fell for devil's trap beauty, a mere flesh and broke his advanced set of rules, finally submitted to a women. Who brought coas back to the order. Now men is no longer the overprotected son of his father God, who is long gone. The more men mingles with devil's work, chances are high of him more likely becoming homeless, mad, drug addict, suicidal, bankrupt, lost. Cause he is now a inhabitant of devil's world, who has brought coas in the order.

MGTOW or not, society has men abandoning the thought of interacting with women, when they walk around naked they're playing the last card they have to draw us back, and sorry to say, that's not working and reflects how bad the dynamics are!

Parade naked women all they want, we're still not going back to that hell called dating, mingling, cohabitation, marriage, or association!

They have no idea how bad it is because they're not men!

Yeah

I think the general idea is that, since it is (or once was) generally accepted for males to walk around shirtless, women now want to do the same thing as a sign of "empowerment". This fits in with Critical Gender Theory's idea that there is no such thing as a male or female body. Which is obviously complete bull shit, but that is the popular ideology right now. But to be honest, what it all comes down to is getting attention. Women are flouting traditional practices as a shock tactic to get people to look at them.

And there is an entire women's argument that nobody should consider nudity sexually exciting, in complete opposition to actual reality. It's just rampant dumbassery.

Originally Posted by ScrewJita

I think the general idea is that, since it is (or once was) generally accepted for males to walk around shirtless, women now want to do the same thing as a sign of "empowerment". This fits in with Critical Gender Theory's idea that there is no such thing as a male or female body. Which is obviously complete bull shit, but that is the popular ideology right now. But to be honest, what it all comes down to is getting attention. Women are flouting traditional practices as a shock tactic to get people to look at them.

And there is an entire women's argument that nobody should consider nudity sexually exciting, in complete opposition to actual reality. It's just rampant dumbassery.

South Beach, Miami, nothing but nice tits venture out to sunbath, not one set of saggy bags the whole time there!

Originally Posted by Harish yadav

I am seeing a lot of women going nude in public even in a conservative country like india, but i am not able to figure out exactly how this empowers them. Infact I've noticed a generation gap. Old women of past generation 1970s born shame these women. Say things like these modern girls are no better than whore. While these modern women say the old women were oppressed that they can't even dare to flaunt their bodies ( god's gift as they say) but to me, women getting naked in public still gives the impression that the women has lost her mind. What do you guys say? I mean in public lot of kids are grooving around. This crazy phenomenon will have a crazy impact on their psyche.

Realistically, women's contributions to science, technology, politics and other disciplines is pretty minimal. We can argue the reasons for that, of course. But the end result is the same. The biggest contribution women tend to make to any society is usually with cultural stuff. Performing arts, primarily.

That limitation is a problem when women want to become politically engaged. They have nothing to say that men haven't already said (possibly better).

Thus, the best way for a woman to gain attention is to take her clothes off. Men will want to see her without her clothes... and in the process, they'll have no choice but to (somewhat) hear whatever vapid bullshit she's saying.

Ironically, the entire farce is all about getting attention. Attention for women is as sex for men. We all crave what we crave. Women MUST have attention and will go to any lengths to get it.

Incidentally, this creates a very serious problem for women online. The advantage women have out in meat space comes from the fact that they're women and men probably want to fuck them. But that advantage disappears on the Internet. Women do try reclaiming it tho. Ever wonder why women preface their posts/comments with "Girl here, and what I think is..."? Ever wonder why female-centric versions of traditionally male-dominated groups always advertise the fact that they're female variants?

Wonder no more. You see Facebook groups like "Conservative women", "Comic book fans with vaginas", "Gamer girls" and similar all the time. Because they're unofficially dedicated to reclaiming the meat space advantage women possess on the Internet.

And, of course, it never works. At least, not the way they wanted. It was YEARS before Michelle Malkin was not fetishized by a large number of her male followers. Basically, she had to hit the wall before anyone began taking her seriously.

But an exchange on 4chan summed it all up nicely:

Nobody should consider nudity sexually exciting. Oh man seems like mass rapes in years to come.

They think they are being like men in some way. Here is the thing though, ever seen men who walk around shirtless? Those guys look like thugs, it isn't a good look. Women also have been trained to believe their sexuality is oppressed and shamed which is really the exact opposite. Ever noticed in porn how the women don't hide their faces but the men do? There's a good reason for that, no one would dare attack the women for their choice.

It's the same with things like body shaming and "realistic" models etc. Ever notice how most male actors and models are still well built with a full head of hair and no body hair? When was the last time you saw an actor with a balding head? There aren't many around and I don't think there are any new ones from the past 10 years.

Originally Posted by Kryptic

They think they are being like men in some way.

I remember having this conversation with one of my female coworkers. She often brought up what she deems a double standard with men. I tell her "what part of 'y'all got titties' don't you understand?"

I still appreciate a perfect female body, if they want to show it I'm willing to look. I just don't want to hear the drivel coming out of their mouth.

Originally Posted by Hedon

I remember having this conversation with one of my female coworkers. She often brought up what she deems a double standard with men. I tell her "what part of 'y'all got titties' don't you understand?"

There used to be a t shirt down here in more enlightened times; "If you didn't want to show us your tits, you shouldn't have brought them with you!"

Originally Posted by 2_Time_Loser

I still appreciate a perfect female body, if they want to show it I'm willing to look. I just don't want to hear the drivel coming out of their mouth.

I like to look as well and I can also do without the political shit.

Originally Posted by mgtower

South Beach, Miami, nothing but nice tits venture out to sunbath, not one set of saggy bags the whole time there!

Until recently, I lived there for six+ years.

Ground zero, between the Lincoln Walking Mall and the beach.

You are over selling it. I have seen things that cannot be unseen.

Spring Break is the worst. One constant theme, "pods" of co-eds walking around the neighborhood and local shops wearing "eye-patch" or "dental floss" bathing suits, often without fish mesh robe, consisting of:

- The Whale: the 225-300 pound woman
- The Shark: the tall, lean, masculine-looking one that may or not be a lesbian
- The Dolphin: the height/weight proportional that is actually attractive
- The Minnow: the smaller, petite, and cuter version of The Dolphin

The "pods" or "schools of fish" can have as many as 10 members, but they will consist of duplicates of the four phenotypes above. However, there will be more Whales than Dolphins and Minnows.

Eacho phenotype serves a purpose.

The Dolphin serves as bait to attract male attention.

The Minnow is a Dolphin-in-training.

The Shark is the enforcer, her visage enough to drive away men that don't meet the group's standard for Alpha-ness or ability to buy drinks/pay for meals.


The Whale...not sure what role she plays. Perhaps to draw out the chubby chaser in a group of dudes? Perhaps she gets included because she pays for the hotel room, or has enough balance on her credit card to make the hotel room reservations?

For a visual preview of these pods in action, go to the World Star Hip Hop website and type in "girl fights" and "Miami Beach" and "spring break," where you will see clashes between competing pods engaged in group fights in the middle of the street with clawing and weave-pulling extending from one of a city block to another. Sometimes, the discarded hair extensions will be picked up by the wind, combine with twigs and other debris and, weeks later, become balls, or "tumble weaves" rolling down the streets, pushed by the ocean breezes.

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Walk around the neighborhood, and every few minutes you will encounter the smell of urine. The lack of public toilets and the constant heat/humidity have made me adept at identifying the different spoor of different kinds of visitors and denizens of South Beach. I pray for rain all the time.

There is the stench left behind by the 'homeless.' It reeks of drugs, cheap booze and booze substitutes (like Sterno spread over crackers), bad food, and a lifetime of bad choices.

The cops do nothing, so the bums will camp out in storefront alcoves after the business closes. In the morning, the store owners have to get a hose and wash down their storefronts.

This is very different than the aroma left behind by relatively pristine kidneys of co-eds who have had too much Kahlua.

There is the tell-tale territory marking of dude-bros who have had too much craft beer. What they lack in power, they make up with volume.

The better diets and caloric moderation make for a completely different output from the European tourists. Distinct but less powerful.

Reminds me of this fine piece of female logic

Kryptic exactly man. Even i am a bald dude, so zero conversations with women till now and after witnessing dating game in College. Best thing for me was to become MGToW. They say be yourself and when you be yourself, you're invisible. anyway back to the topic, even here i have witnessed this phenomenon in which girls go for piercing, drinking, drugs, having multiple boyfriends, tattoos and try to wear less clothes, dressed up close to a whore just to look modern. Man some i have even seen literally dressed up as stripper. I am not sure they even aware about it. Women are always looking forward to grab the bad elements of society just to be modern. Damn no sense in this world.

I was in college in the late 80's. I went to an engineering school, so the female population was pretty low and the ones there didn't have to work to get male attention, so we really didn't have a whole lot of the blatant nudity. However, there was a fair amount of academic writing, predominately by female, liberal arts professors, on why modest clothing was oppressing. At the time, I was studying and passing calculus and I still had trouble following the convoluted logic presented...but here goes:

According to the narrative, women still didn't have agency over their own sexuality and one symptom of this was decency standards when it came to exposure. The argument went that because men considered women's sexuality their property, they forced women to cover up the merchandise so that it wasn't on display for other men. By complying with this, women were complicit in their own oppression, saving themselves and their bodies for the right man, so to speak. According to the argument, women shouldn't just uncover if they wanted to, they should uncover as a means to seize their own agency. Of course, if men gazed too long, it was the men being immature and if a woman didn't feel comfortable being exposed, it was her own, internalized misogyny that was causing it, and she should be compelled to confront it.

Of course, whenever a group who promoted this line of thinking had a public demonstration (similar to the 2000's era slutwalks) said group made sure that anyone observing it knew who the organizers were, who the spokespeople for the group were, and the organization (usually a university department) that was sponsoring the event.

Yes, the professors and attendees got a great deal of attention. However, they could never understand why it was that the women who dressed more modestly wound up with long-term boyfriends.

Hmm. Quite an insight. But does it it still make any sense in practical world? Like why don't we shift to world wars, a guy i know can even plainly manipulate everything and present world wars beneficial for mankind.

Hey women! Remember when baring your boobs in Playboy was the best way to end your career?

I blame Baywatch for suddenly making nudity the best way to boost newcoming actresses into celebrities.