Thread: Have women destroyed traditions/holidays?

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I wouldn't necessarily word it the way the op describes it, but he does have a point. The rationale behind it is of course that the consumer society will cater to the group that consumes the most unnecessary bullshit - whimmenz. As a result, many traditions have become an empty shell of their former glory and are almost entirely unrecognizable and ultimately are pretty much meaningless.
But is it "modern living" or a gynocentric agenda that has led us there? I'm leaning towards the former actually. Many rituals/traditions, however interesting, are based on superstition - something which has no place in the life of the homo economicus.

This celebrating of halloween and valentines day,is not only an american thing;
its big business all over the world! Men working hard,so they can go home to their
"masters" (wives) with their hard earned cash;giving it to her;so SHE CAN DECIDE
HOW THEY WILL BE SPENT....or shall I say waisted on consumed orientated goods,SHE
THINK IS IMPORTANT;but nothing more than waist.
Halloween for ex,is quit new to us here in Norway,but many people waist enormous
amount of cash,on these holidays,which has nothing to do with our culture.....
Quit annoying to have a lot of dressed up children,asking for candy,on my door,late at night;
but this year,Im in LOS,so I have nothing to worry about.
Next year,IF Im home during this "celebration",which I doubt/hope,I may dress up as Dracula,
and scare the shit out of these annoying,small,rude creatures,demanding candy,or "prank"....
(like they would dare doing anything.....)

Originally Posted by Eskorteprinsen

This celebrating of halloween and valentines day,is not only an american thing;
its big business all over the world! Men working hard,so they can go home to their
"masters" (wives) with their hard earned cash;giving it to her;so SHE CAN DECIDE
HOW THEY WILL BE SPENT....or shall I say waisted on consumed orientated goods,SHE
THINK IS IMPORTANT;but nothing more than waist.
Halloween for ex,is quit new to us here in Norway,but many people waist enormous
amount of cash,on these holidays,which has nothing to do with our culture.....
Quit annoying to have a lot of dressed up children,asking for candy,on my door,late at night;
but this year,Im in LOS,so I have nothing to worry about.
Next year,IF Im home during this "celebration",which I doubt/hope,I may dress up as Dracula,
and scare the shit out of these annoying,small,rude creatures,demanding candy,or "prank"....
(like they would dare doing anything.....)

Halloween isn't really a thing in Germany either, but yeah, the kids have started doing it here as well. Only very few though. For the students it's yet another reason to get drunk/high and party.

Valentines Day... and "sweetest day" coming in just under two weeks....
its time we woke up... these "holidays" were made up by a conspiracy of the candy, flower, and jewelry companies....
and that's going to be my stance until some girl offers me some chocolates... like that's ever going to happen...

sure some might say "take pride in being a man."....
bah... how can you have any pride in yourself, if there's nothing to take pride in???? As soon as we do, shouts of "patriarchy" abound....

Many traditions have been hollowed out by the rise of irreligion - but that process has been underway for a long time.

Halloween (all saints day) is simply an excuse for chicks to dress sluttier than normal.

Originally Posted by Mr Wombat

Many traditions have been hollowed out by the rise of irreligion - but that process has been underway for a long time.

Halloween (all saints day) is simply an excuse for chicks to dress sluttier than normal.

Actually. It's the teens that miss out the most
Most holidays are either for adults or kids.. and THAT'S the problem. ....with teens, they're in a kind of sociological "no man's land" --- too old to be a kid, too young to be an adult.

A lot of the old festivals were arguably hollowed out even earlier by the Puritans, (or maybe even the Romans before them).

Originally Posted by Aintdealingwithyoshit

Halloween isn't really a thing in Germany either, but yeah, the kids have started doing it here as well. Only very few though. For the students it's yet another reason to get drunk/high and party.

It stopped being about kids asking for candy here in the US quite some time ago. Now it is mainly a time for adult women to let their slut flag fly high and proud. All female costumes are designed to show the maximum skin and be as "sexy" as possible. Read sexy as slutty.

(Sorry Wombat for not reading all posts before commenting. Consider this as support for your earlier, and susinct comment.)

Originally Posted by Thomas Covenant

A lot of the old festivals were arguably hollowed out even earlier by the Puritans, (or maybe even the Romans before them).

The traditions still reassert themselves. To me this is an example of the strength of these cultural celebrations.

If the Church could have gotten away with it, they would have abolished these holy days instead of co-opting them.

Going to blame business not women on this. Commercialism/marketing has hijacked most holidays.

If the Church could have gotten away with it, they would have abolished these holy days instead of co-opting them.

Aye, good point.

It even transported them when they couldn't travel as far by themselves. The Egyptian Ishtar festival for one, which we know as Easter. I doubt Britons would celebrate it if nor for the importation by the Romans.

It's big business to encourage the excessive emotional froth that comes with holidays. Nobody "forces" women to outdo other women at holiday time like other women. They say we men are fixers, but at Christmas they seem to have an incessant need to unite the entire family and somehow pretend all family politics and differences can just be conveniently be set aside for a nice turkey dinner. Trouble is, Uncle Jack *is* going to drink too much and Bill and Bob are going to go into it about their views on union workers.

Then feminism blames men for EXPECTING women to do all of this "unpaid emotional labor" that nobody asked them to do and EVERYONE would wish they would just learn how to moderate.

Like Christmas for example. I can't stand commercial holidays and I loathe what consumer society has done with Christmas. To me it's a chance to take a break from work and prepare a nice meal for the rather small family I have left. Sure, it's a bit tense having all of us together in the same room, considering our old family dynamic. But, I do NOT try to amp up the emotional appeal by spending thousands, decorating the hell out of everything and making a 12 course meal for people who have dietary restrictions or like to eat in moderation.

Having two kids, I go through many motions at Christmas. If it were not for the two of them, and my few nieces/nephews, I would not bother with a tree and gift exchanging at all. My parents never did make a major deal of Christmas, so for me it's not so much of a loss. I just never experienced Christmas the way some other people have, and I guess I'm not missing it that much. When I was married, she had a large extended family and Christmas was a manic period of trying to visit everyone and hit every big evening/event... it was exhausting and I don't much like being in a 1200 square foot house with 75 people crammed into it.

It's unfortunate, but my feeling is "I can't wait to get the f*ck out of here, there are too many people and I can't pretend I like all of these people at once." The small talk is painful.

Valentines day? It's a day they celebrate pussy worship.

My name is Sid, and thanks to the modern era of medical science and MGTOW, I have been pussy-free since 2013.

Guys, this isn't remission! I'M CURED!!!

Originally Posted by ATLien

Going to blame business not women on this. Commercialism/marketing has hijacked most holidays.

I'm a big opponent of "Western Commercialism" and our "gotta have it" society.

But this is a chicken/egg problem. Marketing is just that - it goes where the market is. My thinking is that women may not have created these markets, but they sure as heck fuel them. It's like women who bemoan the entire cosmetics industry - $55 billion industry in the US alone. They would have MEN believe that WE hold a gun to women's heads and tell them they need to peruse the shelves of boutique cosmetics stores and leave with a small bag containing lip gloss and eye liner for $200.

And women still believe a CREAM can stop them from aging and hitting the wall...

It's a supply/demand thing. I notice with the war on drugs, we vilify the supplier - from the cartels down to the street-level dealer. We absolve the end user and the third-world guy who's growing/cooking the shit because, well, they're perceived as victims. With energy: we vilify the supplier even though all of us INDIVIDUALLY are complicit in the rising demand for energy. Find me a young couple with a house smaller than the one their parents lived in. Car for mom, for dad, and each kid! Cars everywhere. 50 amp house panels became 100A. Now 200A is the norm. Gotta power all that electronic shit and boutique lighting.

The only time we vilify the buyer is with prostitution, and that is the case because men buy sex and women are always victims, and men are always victimizers and oppressors (it's true because they keep repeating it over and over and over...)

So that's my take. I think the cosmetics industry is $55B because of women competing with other women.

Women could say "fuck that shit" but how many women are going to congregate, as MGTOW does, and flip the system the bird and unplug?

They (literally) don't have the balls.

Just think about it: women put paint on their faces to look "prettier" than they are because why?

Because prettier women get more stuff and get better treatment. Feminism spins it that makeup is a badge of oppression. To me, makeup is just another way women misrepresent themselves to get shit out of men.

Like my buddy always says: never trust an animal that bleeds for five days and doesn't die...

Oh my, that was misogynistic even for ME!!! :P

I'm a big opponent of "Western Commercialism" and our "gotta have it" society.

I am too, and I have reconciled it with a full-blooded support of free-market capitalism.

Rejecting materialist tat and keeping up with the jones' doesn't mean you are some sort of "other", it means you are sane.

Around here, there is truly a "he with the most toys at the end wins" mentality. Now, I am all for working hard and spending hard earned money on things that enhance your life... sporting goods, hobbies... some guys like working on cars. Whatever floats ones boat.

(Edit: By 'around here' I meant geographically. Strange, "here" and "here" are now two different places... haha)

But buying things for status reasons?

How "rich" are you if you have to prove it with status symbols?

I just don't get it.

Originally Posted by Thomas Covenant

Aye, good point.

It even transported them when they couldn't travel as far by themselves. The Egyptian Ishtar festival for one, which we know as Easter. I doubt Britons would celebrate it if nor for the importation by the Romans.

strange... I thought Ishtar was more of a Mesopotamian goddess....

You're probably right - that was knowledge I picked up from someone else - haven't done much reading on it.

My area is Rome.

No business is going to borrow money to manufacture junk you don't need unless there is a potential market. Sure, advertising does create artificial demand, but the hamsters willing spend on these Hallmark Holidays.

It is all freedom of choice. They vote with their (husband's) dollars for an abundant idiocracy.

LOL the biggest arguments between mom and dad always on Christmas .

But you cant blame women for dolling themselves up for more free stuff , men do exactly the same enhancing themselves .

I have stopped buying / using street drugs after i realized that the very same guys you buy them from can smash you to pulp or even kill and nothing will happen to them . They will just hire the most expensive lawyers in the country and will be on parole in a week .

Cracking jokes while being sentenced for murder cause its gonna be like 6 years with parole in 2 at most .

LOL and Christmas , the fuck would you want to get the whole extended family together if you hate them all and they hate you all together and separately .

Fucking parents instead of getting more sleep they bother about shit their kids care fuck all about .

Originally Posted by Thomas Covenant

A lot of the old festivals were arguably hollowed out even earlier by the Puritans, (or maybe even the Romans before them).

actually... I think we got a 6th century saint to thank for Christmas being when it is.... went by the name of "Patrick", and he overlaid Christian symbolism on a number of pagan solar festivals in what is now Ireland in an effort to gain converts... in fact, some scholars now think that Jesus wasn't born in December... (the so-called "lambing season" is in the spring, not the dead of winter)