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    Hate monger and creepy male feminist, David Futrelle, at it again

    Here's an image that slimey and crooked David Futrelle posted on his site to "prove" that toxic masculinity is real and that manosphere men are blind to it:


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    Assuming this is even real, all it proves is that some dudes get angry and use coarse language. Consider that he's responding to the hate speech phrase feminists invented, "toxic masculinity." Notice that a woman's use of profanity is never used to prove "toxic femininity." It's only when a man does something objectionable (or allegedly objectionable) that it "proves" toxic masculinity.

    I would expect someone to respond angrily to hate speech. When I was in grade school, our best football player was this black dude; I'll call him Allen. One day when we were playing football for PE, one white dude (we'll call him "Phil"), disagreed with Allen over something and called him a "nigger." That was it! Allen started pounding the crap out of him, and Phil was totally inept in defending himself. Because Allen had hit someone, the coach who was watching us was supposed to send him to the principal's office for punishment, but he had seen what happened. Instead, the coach just had Allen sit out of the rest of the game to cool off. He never got any real punishment, and we all thought that was just. Calling a black dude a "nigger," was just so massively out of line that no one wanted Allen punished. Everyone understood how fucked up that was.

    It would be fair and just if everyone treated hate speech toward men like that, but we all know we're not even close. Women can stereotype men with their bullshit, made-up hate terms like "mansplain", "toxic masculinity," or even "kill all men", and everyone thinks it's just normal. Well, it's not. We've done a lot of work to get rid of anti-woman hate terms like "dumb broad," and that's a good thing. So the dude in Futrelle's quote did say a rude thing to a woman, but he gives no credence to the fact that he was provoked by similar hate speech. "Toxic masculinity" stereotypes men as constantly doing negative behavior. Grouped into that to "prove" that it exists is behavior that is also done by women. But no term such as "toxic femininity" is regularly used. A woman could commit adultery on her soldier husband while he's deployed and then destroy his life via divorce when he returns, and no one would call it any genderized expression.

    So it's bizarre that Futrelle, the creepy male feminist sicko, would brand this dude evil when the women started the hate speech on him. We also don't even know that this is a real person posting in that MRA forum. Look at his handle. That handle screams "plant." That's another one of Futrelle's sick and evil tricks. He'll register to post on some manosphere site and then back a bunch of objectionable posts, and then use those to "prove" his point.

    But even if the quoted guy is a real person, he had good cause to be upset. I won't stand for hate speech like "mansplain" or "toxic masculinity," and I've let women know it. If they want me to be civil with them, they'd better refrain from that kind of hate talk. They should thank me that I've always handled it well without resorting to what Allen did. Though I totally sympathize with how he handled being called a "nigger," I refrain from hitting people because it's in my bests interests, even if they deserve it.

    We all know the real reason why slimy dudes like Futrelle blather on in support of the feminist hate movement. It's because he has nothing to offer women other than being a pathetic sycophant who "supports" them. His web site is all about, "See what an enlightened male I am? Now suck my dick." Feminists normally have very little common sense, but even they know to avoid this turd.

    Here's an image I made of Futrelle sometime back. It speaks the truth.

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    Re: Hate monger and creepy male feminist, David Futrelle, at it again

    Sometimes people generate income just by being controversial and they don't care what sort of stand they take as long as it rakes in cash. Check out Coppercab on youtube, for instance. He's got a 1/3 million subs. A travel vlogger named Harald Balder did a video where he (Harald) came into town specifically to have sex with his (Coppercab's) sister. True or false, doesn't matter. Money was made by both.

    The Harald vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFM4QghihVI

    Coppercab's response: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gkwa9JpJtU

    My point is, both guys made money off that shitstorm, whether it's real or fake.

    Is Futrelle monetized in some fashion? That might be the key to it all. All I know about the guy is what I've read on here.

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    Re: Hate monger and creepy male feminist, David Futrelle, at it again

    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    Sometimes people generate income just by being controversial and they don't care what sort of stand they take as long as it rakes in cash. Check out Coppercab on youtube, for instance. He's got a 1/3 million subs. A travel vlogger named Harald Balder did a video where he (Harald) came into town specifically to have sex with his (Coppercab's) sister. True or false, doesn't matter. Money was made by both.

    The Harald vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFM4QghihVI

    Coppercab's response: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gkwa9JpJtU

    My point is, both guys made money off that shitstorm, whether it's real or fake.

    Is Futrelle monetized in some fashion? That might be the key to it all. All I know about the guy is what I've read on here.
    That's a great point. Futrelle gets donations via Patreon by dumb-asses who think his babble is worth something. But that's a great point. Back before Youtube was ultra monitored, there was this Canadian girl, a really sexy 20 year-old one, who made her own neo-Nazi channel where she did shit like anti-Jew propaganda videos and singing Happy Birthday to Adolf Hitler. It was later leaked, and proven, that she wasn't even a neo-Nazi. She was just a paid shill. Some far-right-extremist group paid her a bunch of money to do all that shit because she was super cute and would attract attention.

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    Re: Hate monger and creepy male feminist, David Futrelle, at it again

    Guys like him are useful idiots, they're simps and white-knights for women, hoping for a pat on the head and to be given some crumbs of attention. There are always idiots in every sample population. OR it could be that his mating strategy is to bash other men down that women dislike, in hopes that by being a useful ally, he'd get access to poon. Like Feminists, he cherry picks examples in order to cast a whole community of men (mostly MRAs and MGTOW) in a bad light. What he fails to realise is that he is selling out the entire male gender in order to perpetuate gross injustices against men.

    He doesn't address any of the arguments that MRAs raise - he can't fault them because any logical person will see that the Men truly are discriminated against. We're treated as disposable and all men's life outcomes are disproportionately worse from women's - be it in education, life expectancy, workplace fatality, homelessness, parental and custodial rights, prosecution and sentencing, reproductive options and rights, the draft, mental health and suicide, bodily integrity rights - all of which are indisputably against men.

    Then when men choose to opt out of the system and go MGTOW, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that choice. Its an individual choice to prioritise their own well-being FIRST. The blatant hypocrisy can be seen when a woman says "I'm putting myself first. I don't want to date, marry and have children. I want to save and spend money how I like and retire early and enjoy my life!" and these women are praised and lauded, while MGTOWs are and have been saying the exact same thing, and yet we are branded as incels, misogynists and terrorists.

    A major reason why men are pushed to become MRAs and some have taken the next logical step to become MGTOWs is largely because of how the the system abuses men. And men like him actively support such a system. Men like him actively participate in the denigration of other men, they roadblock men from trying to lobby for equality and fairness, and they support the perpetuation of the Feminist gynocracy.

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    Re: Hate monger and creepy male feminist, David Futrelle, at it again

    https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2...sopher-dingus/

    He likes to yell at me a lot. Weve gotten into it over the years.

    Hes still running his anti-trump site. Does he know there was an election a year ago?

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    Re: Hate monger and creepy male feminist, David Futrelle, at it again

    Quote Originally Posted by DangZagnut View Post
    Haha, you're (in)famous.

    And personally, I disagree with your views on rape, but I'll respect your first Amendment rights to have an opinion and state it.

    And that's exactly my point with Futrelle, he cherry picks the (worst) statements and opinions from individual posters and uses it to malign the whole group.

    MGTOW isn't a collective, there is no consensus view on politics, on abortion, on rape, on religion etc.

    The only thing MGTOWs agree on is to walk away from marriage and relationships. Everything else is fluff.

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    Re: Hate monger and creepy male feminist, David Futrelle, at it again

    Quote Originally Posted by johnsmith79 View Post

    And personally, I disagree with your views on rape, but I'll respect your first Amendment rights to have an opinion and state it.
    He really cherry picked the rape stuff. The first one was showing the absurdity of it.

    The second one was part of a long discussion that from a purely logical standpoint, neither consent nor rape actually exists in any reality.

    Without getting into it, it's that the logic behind consent and what defines rape doesn't exist in space and time. Which is precisely why feminists use it, because it's vague and can be granted and removed whenever someone wants to.

    That was the original discussion, not that I support rape.

    However I will stand by sex just being masturbating in a moist hole, and if that's what's truly the most important thing in your life, perhaps readjusting your priorities is something to consider.

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    Re: Hate monger and creepy male feminist, David Futrelle, at it again

    Quote Originally Posted by DangZagnut View Post
    .. what defines rape doesn't exist in space and time. Which is precisely why feminists use it, because it's vague and can be granted and removed whenever someone wants to.
    I'll agree that the definition of rape has been twisted by feminists and I wrote about it here (Is RAPE the most overrated crime ? (goingyourownway.com)).

    Having a woman change her mind after the fact and cry rape, sometime years later, is entirely arbitrary doesn't make sense. Having a woman find out that a man may have exaggerated his height, wealth, relationship or job status after the fact, and then cry rape doesn't make sense. Having the law only categorise rape such that only men can rape doesn't make sense.
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    Re: Hate monger and creepy male feminist, David Futrelle, at it again

    Our government and academia are loaded with men just like Futrelle. Don't be fooled. Men aren't opting out of higher education. Rather, they're being forced out.

    In the last NDAA, it wasn't democrats that sold out men in the middle of the night over the male-only draft. Rather, it was republicans. Republicans traded keeping the male-only draft 'all male' for a piece of pork they'd recently been wrestling democrats over. Republicans are the enemy of MGTOW. Don't fool yourself. MGTOW have no friends or allies outside of other MGTOW adherents. Many MRAs are openly gynocentric as well, which is why I'm not an MRA. PUAs live to chase pussy, so no friends there either.

    It wasn't democrats that gave the majority recipient of child support a tax write off, which happens to be women, shifting the write off from the majority of child support payers, which happens to be men. Oh no. That enormous betrayal of men was conducted by none other than our inglorious DJT. Trump is not our friend. Don't kid yourself.

    Having had enough of women and their state pimps, without having said anything about MGTOW, a former close ally and confidant of 18 years turned against me big time. I'm not exaggerating either. When he realized I'd been turned off by women, he really started a hate campaign against me. It was the damnedest thing I'd ever seen. He became my insta and perma enemy almost overnight, which was quite startling.

    Our greatest enemy isn't women. Rather, it's other men. Our greatest enemy is the men with academic, congressional, legislative and judicial power. Most men are momma's boys, gynocentrists and those infected and overflowing with internalized misandry - and they are just waiting for their chance to label some guy that's opted out as a toxic, weak, gay, "faggot" INCEL. MGTOW have been labeled domestic terrorists by such men, with the hopes of future imprisonment of our kind.

    If you read the details on how they came up with a "fair" system of conscription in the past, you'll find that they take the unmarried, less educated, childless, sexless, "inferior" men first. The reason there's so much open hate speech against INCELs in the mainstream is because those are the most disposable of the disposable males and those the PTB force into conscription 1st. INCELs are the most marginalized, dehumanized, demonized, demoralized, oppressed men in existence.

    "Good God! You can't add women to the draft! You're not going to murder my daughter! By all means, take my son, but keep your fucking hands off my little precious girl!"

    This is the harsh reality. As a man, you are seen as a disposable ATM and disposable human shield, worst of all, by other men. As one that follows the MGTOW mindset, I'm quite certain my greatest enemy are powerful, naive, brainwashed, gynocentric, misandric men, not women.

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    Re: Hate monger and creepy male feminist, David Futrelle, at it again

    Quote Originally Posted by MannSplainer View Post
    Our government and academia are loaded with men just like Futrelle. Don't be fooled. Men aren't opting out of higher education. Rather, they're being forced out.
    Other men are the problem, which is why I rail against trad cucks far more than feminists. Feminists are easy to combat. They're just women after all.

    Trad cucks and the rest of the manosphere are the problem.

    If feminists had actually used IQ points, MGTOW could have been great allies for them, but they'd rather be enemies that friends.

    But then they are a hate group.

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    Re: Hate monger and creepy male feminist, David Futrelle, at it again

    I don't know why you guys care what this male feminist thinks anyway? I never heard of him, and based on your posts about him, I'm glad I don't know. He sounds like a femiNazi trapped in a weak little man's body.
    It's a man's world and we need to take it by the throat and make it give us what we desire.

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    Re: Hate monger and creepy male feminist, David Futrelle, at it again

    Quote Originally Posted by MannSplainer View Post
    .. Republicans traded keeping the male-only draft 'all male' for a piece of pork they'd recently been wrestling democrats over. Republicans are the enemy of MGTOW. .. "Good God! You can't add women to the draft! You're not going to murder my daughter! By all means, take my son, but keep your fucking hands off my little precious girl!"
    This. Republican Chip Roy has no qualms drafting his son, but got forbid his daughter be potentially drafted: ".. under no circumstances will you draft our wives and daughters. Total, complete, bullshit. #DontDraftOurDaughters" (link: Rep. Chip Roy has epic rant over House requiring women register for draft (nypost.com))


    Quote Originally Posted by MannSplainer View Post
    .. Many MRAs are openly gynocentric as well, which is why I'm not an MRA.
    Respectfully, I disagree. Are you aware that a good proportion of MRAs are either MGTOWs or sympathetic towards us? Subreddit stats showed a 30% overlap between the members of /r/MGTOW/ and /r/MensRights/, and many prominent speakers for Men's Rights even defended MGTOWs - I remember this when Jordan Peterson called us MGTOWs "pathetic weasels", and many MRAs immediately came to our defense, Karen Straughn, a prominent MRA speaker, even made a video rebuttal to Peterson specifically on that statement (link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faeT4fIFAcg). Later on, Peterson would publicly state that he regrets his negative statement towards us and he even acknowledged that MGTOWs have legitimate reasons.

    If MRAs are gynocentric, that was a long time ago. What I do observe now are that MRAs have become increasingly anti-feminist, and I've posted about this before:

    Quote Originally Posted by johnsmith79 View Post
    That men's rights wanted to work with Feminists was true some time ago, however now it is actually the opposite - MRAs are increasingly coming to terms that Feminists are the single biggest roadblock to Men's Rights, and a significant proportion of them are identifying as Anti-Feminists.

    What happened with Warren Farrell is symptomatic of that certain section of MRAs - these guys started out as ardent Feminists and tried to work on men's issues within the framework of Feminism. It took some of them years, decades even, the cycle repeating countless times, and turning these once Feminists into hardcore Anti-Feminists. The cycle being:

    1) trying to work on men's issues within the framework of Feminism as they are told constantly that Feminism also has scope to work on men's issues;

    2) then being told to shut up, and sit in a corner and to stop mansplaining;

    3) then when they tried to bring up issues specific to men such as male suicide, male homelessness, etc, they're told that they should create their own space - so they did;

    4) they created their own space and tried to perform activism and awareness - and got hard-roadblocked by Feminists who shouted down speakers, pulled fire-alarms and blocked conference venues while branding them rape-apologists and misogynists;

    5) So they went back to step (1) and tried once again to work with Feminists on men's issues and the cycle repeats.

    The truth is many of these MRAs were hardcore blue-pilled and ardent Feminists - they didn't become Anti-Feminists overnight, or just because some Feminists said some harsh words to them one day. No, it was years/decades of trying and failing and getting repeatedly abused until they finally saw the truth - and that red-pilled those guys so hard they became very bitter towards Feminists - they became hardcore Anti-Feminists (similar to early stage red-pillers who go through the first few stages of the 5 stages of grief and loss - the Angry ones are those who come right after years of Denial).

    Again, the men's rights subreddit is now significantly Anti-Feminist. This can be seen from the infrequent posts asking MRAs to work with Feminists to solve men's issues, and usually these posters get the hard boot to the ass and shown the door.

    Sources: Look at these posts and tell me if it seems that MRAs still want to work with Feminists:

    https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/...feminists_are/

    https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/...ment_feminist/

    https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/...o_create_safe/

    https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/..._and_what_are/

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    This is not to say that there those who still harbor a hope of working with women - MRAs know that if their voices are to be heard, they need some women to speak up for them, be it Cassie Jaye, Karen Straughn, etc, because of the Gender Empathy Gap and Gamma Bias, men talking about men's issues do not get the same ear and attention as when a woman talks about men's issues.

    Comment on overlap between /r/mensrights/ and /r/mgtow/:

    Quote Originally Posted by johnsmith79 View Post
    .. from subreddit stats (https://subredditstats.com/subreddit...aps/mensrights) similar subreddits to r/mensrights by user overlap:


    1) 33.09 pussypassdenied

    2) 31.02 mgtow

    3) 22.85 trueunpopularopinion

    4) 21.49 purplepilldebate

    5) 20.90 socialjusticeinaction


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    As everyone can see, the top overlaps between members of MensRights is pussypassdenied which is a pretty anti-pussy/feminist subreddit.

    And the second biggest overlap for MensRights is MGTOW, which has been already been banned by reddit.

    This should prove beyond all reasonable doubt that a significant proportion of members in MensRights are also MGTOW.
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    Re: Hate monger and creepy male feminist, David Futrelle, at it again

    Quote Originally Posted by DangZagnut View Post
    https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2...sopher-dingus/

    He likes to yell at me a lot. Weve gotten into it over the years.

    Hes still running his anti-trump site. Does he know there was an election a year ago?
    You did great, dude. He cherry picked stuff to try to make you look bad, but you can still read through his BS. In typical fashion, he tried to make you into some kind of rapist for complaining about women who change their mind the next day. What the fuck are you supposed to do if some woman agrees to sex, and so you've got the green light of consent, then she changes her mind the next day? Are you supposed to be with her when she's thinking of changing her mind and then convince her to stick with the consent?

    He thinks we MGTOW are rapists because we think consent happens at the time of the event, and is irrevokable after the fact. What if you asked to borrow my car, and I said, "Sure, go ahead and borrow my car; here's the keys." So later on you return my car undamaged and with a full tank of gas. Then the next day, I call you up and say:
    "Ya know what, DangZagnut, I've decided I'm actually not cool with you borrowing my car."
    "All right," you say. "I won't borrow it anymore."
    "No, I mean I'm not cool with you having borrowed it yesterday. I've just called the cops and they're on their way to arrest you for theft."

    If I acted like that, I would be a FUCKING LUNATIC, and the cops should of course say, "There's been no crime" and refuse to arrest you. So why isn't rape the same way? It was clear that you were complaining about false rape claims where she has regret and tries to revoke consent after the fact. But Futrelle, the slimeball that he is, tried to take your quotes out of context to "prove" that you're for rape.

    He did something similar to me. On the old Reddit sub, I posted that I understood why they used to put women in stocks and whip them for adultery. My comment was that I understood the anger that led to that, but I was not for doing that today. Futrelle, in his typically slimy fashion, used that quote out of context, claiming that I advocated beating women. So dirtbags like him, and all the assholes at AgainstHateSubreddits, add up all these cherry-picked, grossly misinterpreted things so that they can say, "See these terrible MGTOWs. This DangZagnut guy is for raping women and this TigPlaze sicko is for having women beaten in public." And never mind that it has nothing to do with what we actually said.

    Anyway, if you've got under Futrelle's skin, you're doing great. You have my full support.

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    Re: Hate monger and creepy male feminist, David Futrelle, at it again

    Who tha fuck is this guy?
    "Woman is an incredibly vulgar animal from who man created an impossible ideal." Gustave Flaubert

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    Quote Originally Posted by MannSplainer View Post
    Our government and academia are loaded with men just like Futrelle. Don't be fooled. Men aren't opting out of higher education. Rather, they're being forced out.

    In the last NDAA, it wasn't democrats that sold out men in the middle of the night over the male-only draft. Rather, it was republicans. Republicans traded keeping the male-only draft 'all male' for a piece of pork they'd recently been wrestling democrats over. Republicans are the enemy of MGTOW. Don't fool yourself. MGTOW have no friends or allies outside of other MGTOW adherents. Many MRAs are openly gynocentric as well, which is why I'm not an MRA. PUAs live to chase pussy, so no friends there either.

    It wasn't democrats that gave the majority recipient of child support a tax write off, which happens to be women, shifting the write off from the majority of child support payers, which happens to be men. Oh no. That enormous betrayal of men was conducted by none other than our inglorious DJT. Trump is not our friend. Don't kid yourself.

    Having had enough of women and their state pimps, without having said anything about MGTOW, a former close ally and confidant of 18 years turned against me big time. I'm not exaggerating either. When he realized I'd been turned off by women, he really started a hate campaign against me. It was the damnedest thing I'd ever seen. He became my insta and perma enemy almost overnight, which was quite startling.

    Our greatest enemy isn't women. Rather, it's other men. Our greatest enemy is the men with academic, congressional, legislative and judicial power. Most men are momma's boys, gynocentrists and those infected and overflowing with internalized misandry - and they are just waiting for their chance to label some guy that's opted out as a toxic, weak, gay, "faggot" INCEL. MGTOW have been labeled domestic terrorists by such men, with the hopes of future imprisonment of our kind.

    If you read the details on how they came up with a "fair" system of conscription in the past, you'll find that they take the unmarried, less educated, childless, sexless, "inferior" men first. The reason there's so much open hate speech against INCELs in the mainstream is because those are the most disposable of the disposable males and those the PTB force into conscription 1st. INCELs are the most marginalized, dehumanized, demonized, demoralized, oppressed men in existence.

    "Good God! You can't add women to the draft! You're not going to murder my daughter! By all means, take my son, but keep your fucking hands off my little precious girl!"

    This is the harsh reality. As a man, you are seen as a disposable ATM and disposable human shield, worst of all, by other men. As one that follows the MGTOW mindset, I'm quite certain my greatest enemy are powerful, naive, brainwashed, gynocentric, misandric men, not women.
    Great post. One of my biggest frustrations has been that some MGTOW think that Republicans have our back. They don't. They're totally cucked, and many are for pushing their fanatical religions on people. It's not that the Democrats are any better. Republicans will hoze you by trying to force you into a tradcuck role. Democrats will hoze you with all that hateful feminist shit. In short, they'll both screw you over, just in different ways.

    For the first time in my life, I may not even vote in the next election, or I might vote for all third-party protest candidates. I hate both Republican and Democrat politicians equally. If I had it my way, I would have them all shot to death by firing squad and the restart with a new political system that has no parties and no corporate sponsorship. Campaigns would be financed by the public, and candidates could only advance to the final rounds via performance in real debates.

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    Re: Hate monger and creepy male feminist, David Futrelle, at it again

    Oh, btw, DangZagnut, I am a little jealous that Futrelle has named you his favorite MGTOW and not me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsmith79 View Post
    Respectfully, I disagree. Are you aware that a good proportion of MRAs are either MGTOWs or sympathetic towards us? Subreddit stats showed a 30% overlap between the members of /r/MGTOW/ and /r/MensRights/, and many prominent speakers for Men's Rights even defended MGTOWs - I remember this when Jordan Peterson called us MGTOWs "pathetic weasels", and many MRAs immediately came to our defense, Karen Straughn, a prominent MRA speaker, even made a video rebuttal to Peterson specifically on that statement (link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faeT4fIFAcg). Later on, Peterson would publicly state that he regrets his negative statement towards us and he even acknowledged that MGTOWs have legitimate reasons.
    Back in 2010, when MGTOWs and MRAs were at each other's throats, seemingly over power, bad things started happening. There were MRAs who spoke openly against the existence of MGTOW and were primarily about returning men to the conservative plantation. For the most part, I like MRAs. MRAs introduced me to the MGTOW mindset. MRAs have written tons of stuff I've read and cherish. I'm a yuge fan of Paul Elam. I just don't entirely trust some MRAs. That's all. I think many of them see MGTOW as impediments to the future of the patriarchy, which is in and of itself male servitude to the gynocracy. That may have changed significantly, and if that's the case, then I will proudly stand corrected.

    I posted a dissertation by an MRA earlier today. I really like some of 'em, especially the one that wrote the aforementioned piece.

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    Re: Hate monger and creepy male feminist, David Futrelle, at it again

    Quote Originally Posted by MannSplainer View Post
    Back in 2010, when MGTOWs and MRAs were at each other's throats, seemingly over power, bad things started happening. There were MRAs who spoke openly against the existence of MGTOW and were primarily about returning men to the conservative plantation. For the most part, I like MRAs. MRAs introduced me to the MGTOW mindset. MRAs have written tons of stuff I've read and cherish. I'm a yuge fan of Paul Elam. I just don't entirely trust some MRAs. That's all. I think many of them see MGTOW as impediments to the future of the patriarchy, which is in and of itself male servitude to the gynocracy. That may have changed significantly, and if that's the case, then I will proudly stand corrected.
    I've found that there are different types of MRAs. There are ones with a fantasy of the feminists seeing the light and then feminists and MRAs working together for both men and women for gender equality. That view is total delusion, of course, since feminism is now, and always has been, an anti-male hate movement. And it tends to be MRAs brainwashed into the placate feminist view who hate on MGTOW. Other MRAs are sympathetic toward us. They've been through the same shit we have, and they see our point. Plus, what men's right could be more important than the right to choose how you wish to live your life? We choose to opt out of dating and marriage, as is our right. Any true mens' rights advocate would totally support that.
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    Re: Hate monger and creepy male feminist, David Futrelle, at it again

    Quote Originally Posted by MannSplainer View Post
    Back in 2010, when MGTOWs and MRAs were at each other's throats, seemingly over power, bad things started happening. There were MRAs who spoke openly against the existence of MGTOW and were primarily about returning men to the conservative plantation. For the most part, I like MRAs. MRAs introduced me to the MGTOW mindset. MRAs have written tons of stuff I've read and cherish. I'm a yuge fan of Paul Elam. I just don't entirely trust some MRAs. That's all. I think many of them see MGTOW as impediments to the future of the patriarchy, which is in and of itself male servitude to the gynocracy. That may have changed significantly, and if that's the case, then I will proudly stand corrected.
    MRA's are MGTOWs with one foot in hope and the other in hopelessness! At least we have both feet in the right place enabling us to walk!

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    Re: Hate monger and creepy male feminist, David Futrelle, at it again

    Quote Originally Posted by TigPlaze View Post
    Oh, btw, DangZagnut, I am a little jealous that Futrelle has named you his favorite MGTOW and not me.
    To be fair, you did put up several unflattering memes of Futrelle, so it's likely he didn't want to show that to his readers.


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