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    Happiness

    What is happiness?

    Does it exist outside of us in things and people?

    Does it exist in being a husband/wife? Does it exist in being a parent?
    Does it exist in money?
    Does it exist in the material world?
    Does it exist in your hobbies?
    Does it exist in your career?

    I would say no to all of the above. Nothing outside of you will ever work.

    Scary huh? So what is the answer?

    Take a look at little children. Why are they so happy and full of life in comparison to adults?

    They are still in large part in a state of carefreeness, unattachment and without the poison of society's concepts and conditioning affecting them yet.

    However, they do begin to become attached to their toys. If you take away their Lego they are playing with they cry in misery with the belief that they will never be happy again.

    "Give me back my Lego"

    10 years later they don't even look at it anymore.

    Is that any different to adults?

    "Give me back my money"
    "Give me back my job"
    "Give me back my wife"
    "Give me back my child"

    Kids with toys. Nothing has changed.

    So seriously what is the answer?

    Give it all up. Be unattached to people and things. Be committed to whatever you are committed to that day. Let go of ALL concepts and labels that were created by man to the best of your ability.

    Happiness is your natural state and all you have to do is drop something.

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    Re: Happiness

    Of course you cant escape the money .

    All this is preaching against the wind and waste of time . Its impossible to grasp ... What do you mean be unattached ? Yes go ahead, be a burger flipper . What do you mean ? Bullshit, you are getting exactly what you are worth . Fuck off .

    Its impossible to realize before ... its only after you face some terminal shit .

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    Dont hate him , hate your fuking bullshit game !

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    Re: Happiness

    If the goal of your life is happiness, get some heroin. Gets you straight from point A to point B, point B being "I feel fucking awesome".

    Alternatively, you could decide that life is about more than having goodfeels.

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    Oh - it's DanLimitless again. Figures.

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    Re: Happiness

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    If the goal of your life is happiness, get some heroin. Gets you straight from point A to point B, point B being "I feel fucking awesome".

    Alternatively, you could decide that life is about more than having goodfeels.

    -- edit --

    Oh - it's DanLimitless again. Figures.
    That is not happiness, that is thrills, that is pleasure, that is comfort.

    Comfort, thrills and pleasure are not happiness, which the entire world has mistaken.

    Happiness is when you give up everything you have been told that you need. Everything. Then you have this sense of wonder and connection with the world.

    Thrills and pleasures lead to depression. As soon as you stay attached to the thrills and the pleasures the depression will follow close behind.

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    Re: Happiness

    Happiness is a high and is unattainable in the long term. What you should aim for is contentment.

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    Re: Happiness

    Happiness is not being a stupid motherfucker.

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    Re: Happiness

    Quote Originally Posted by I'm Gone View Post
    Happiness is a high and is unattainable in the long term. What you should aim for is contentment.

    This is exactly the way I look at it. I see "Happiness" as a temporary burst of pleasant feelings when things are going your way. Like you win a bet, or you manage to buy something you wanted before they all sold out, or you're having a party, etc.

    Constant happiness is like a constant orgasm, it doesn't make sense and that's not how the brain works.

    Contentment to me, is to be able to sit peacefully in your house, and think "You know, everything's just fine at the moment." That's what everyone should try to cultivate in their lives.

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    I agree with responders to OP that being content should be the long term goal.

    Finding moments of happiness can be a viable short term goal to accompany the long term contentment. Happiness can be found in small things, the trick is recognizing the moment.

    Contentment is being content with what you have.

    Happiness is finding a moment of joy in a moment of being content. I am content when driving my car to a destination and listening to music. I sometimes find happiness when a good song comes on or a beautiful view comes in front of me. But Bangarang coming on while coming over a hill to see the sun setting over the mountains? Fuck yeah life is awesome!

    If happiness is endless it would become meaningless and we would begin to feel entitled to it. Recognize and enjoy your moments of happiness and even plan to make happy moments happen but endless happiness is not possible.

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    Re: Happiness

    Happiness is uncaused.

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    "Happiness" doesn't mean anything to me. I'll take contentment over it anyday. This past weekend I went camping. Saturday, after hiking all day, I sat by the fire, cooking a couple of steaks, sipping a glass of bourbon. Contentment...it was awesome.

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    Re: Happiness

    Yes, I think contentment is the right word. Contentment / happiness for me is the absence of anger, pain, dissatisfaction, and disappointment. I can't achieve that state all of the times, but if I can be there most of the time that will be just fine. I will go further and say that those negative feelings are often times caused by failed expectations. That's what I have learned most at this forum - to adjust my expectations - particularly of females, but also of any other societal efforts to force me into a traditional role.

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    Re: Happiness

    Quote Originally Posted by DanLimitless View Post
    Happiness is uncaused.
    Yeah right buddy. When a parent buys a child the exact toy he wanted and the boy gets excited and happy... Happiness was just caused.

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    Re: Happiness

    Quote Originally Posted by Dilligaf B View Post
    Yeah right buddy. When a parent buys a child the exact toy he wanted and the boy gets excited and happy... Happiness was just caused.
    Damn straight - Now I buy my own toys! And have the happiness of obtaining something new, backed by the contentment of knowing I earned it myself, and can get whatever else I want, as soon as I raise enough money.

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    Re: Happiness

    Quote Originally Posted by Sharkbait View Post
    Damn straight - Now I buy my own toys! And have the happiness of obtaining something new, backed by the contentment of knowing I earned it myself, and can get whatever else I want, as soon as I raise enough money.
    Exactly! As a child, the dark side of Xmas, birthdays, and end-of-school year presents was getting less than I expected, getting something I didn't want and having to show appreciation despite the giver not taking a minute to actually get to know me, and most especially, not having control over the situation.

    A painful childhood makes you appreciate and work towards getting control over your life so you can work towards a happy adulthood.

    No child who ever survived a concentration camp ever complained about having a bad day at the office.

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    Re: Happiness

    Quote Originally Posted by DanLimitless View Post
    Happiness is when you give up everything you have been told that you need. Everything.
    Seriously what is your f@#$ing problem with English such that you feel a need to redefine each word to fit your narrative?

    Wiki

    1. Happiness is a mental or emotional state of well-being defined by positive or pleasant emotions ranging from contentment to intense joy.
    Webster's
    happiness
    noun hapĚpiĚness \ˈha-pē-nəs\
    : the state of being happy
    : an experience that makes you happy
    Go practice your Socratic method somewhere else.

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    Happiness: to crush your enemies, see them driven before you and to hear the lamentations of their women.
    First date: A job interview in which a slot-c tries to determine a man's financial suitability in relation to its desire for children.
    Oxytocin, more dangerous than heroin.
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    Re: Happiness

    Happiness is a short term emotion, unavailable for longer periods of time to anyone living in this universe under these natural laws. Who is generally the source of the bulk of your unhappiness? Other human beings.

    Nothing is critical, life has no purpose, avoid drudgery, outsource drudgery that is 100% unavoidable, embrace enjoyment.

    How? By spending the bulk of your day doing something that gives you satisfaction on a daily basis, something you know is worthwhile to you and outsource all the tasks you loathe to do.

    Is it easy? Hell no, you will ALWAYS have to do things you hate, the point is to minimise them as soon as you can. Your biggest source of trouble, frustration and disappointment will always be other human beings, so make sure you deal with a limited amount of them throughout your day (your hand picked assistants and loved ones) and outsource dealing with the public to others.
    If you see an average human as a logical actor you might be dissapointed. If you see them as an input/output device you might not be.


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    Re: Happiness

    Quote Originally Posted by DanLimitless View Post
    What is happiness?
    To hear the majestic sound of steel as it crushes bone.....

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    What is happiness?
    To eradicate any who dare threaten my kingdom....

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    What is happiness?
    To grind the skulls of my enemies into the sands of oblivion....

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    What is happiness?
    To leave a whore soaked in sweat and whimpering on a bed....

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    What is happiness?
    For you....

    It's probably crying in the corner....

    Dunno, but if you need to ask you wont ever figure it out.....

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    Re: Happiness

    Don Draper said it best: Happiness is what you feel the moment right before you want more happiness.

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    Re: Happiness

    Happiness is a warm gun.

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    Re: Happiness

    Quote Originally Posted by DanLimitless View Post
    What is happiness?

    Does it exist outside of us in things and people?

    Does it exist in being a husband/wife? Does it exist in being a parent?
    Does it exist in money?
    Does it exist in the material world?
    Does it exist in your hobbies?
    Does it exist in your career?

    I would say no to all of the above. Nothing outside of you will ever work.

    Scary huh? So what is the answer?

    Take a look at little children. Why are they so happy and full of life in comparison to adults?

    They are still in large part in a state of carefreeness, unattachment and without the poison of society's concepts and conditioning affecting them yet.

    However, they do begin to become attached to their toys. If you take away their Lego they are playing with they cry in misery with the belief that they will never be happy again.

    "Give me back my Lego"

    10 years later they don't even look at it anymore.

    Is that any different to adults?

    "Give me back my money"
    "Give me back my job"
    "Give me back my wife"
    "Give me back my child"

    Kids with toys. Nothing has changed.

    So seriously what is the answer?

    Give it all up. Be unattached to people and things. Be committed to whatever you are committed to that day. Let go of ALL concepts and labels that were created by man to the best of your ability.

    Happiness is your natural state and all you have to do is drop something.

    Happiness is actually a very independent feeling for each person. I may be very happy and content while fishing, where another person might be bored out of their mind. However usually happiness is an effect of some outside cause or even lack of cause. For example a husband can become happy when he finds out his mother in-law won't be paying a visit, lack of outside cause created the effects of being happy. However happiness is an inside job, relying on outside stimulation or a person, place or thing for happiness is a sure why to find disappointment. This is why it is often said that money cannot buy you happiness, however it is needed these days if you intend to live indoors and eat. However earning that money you need does not have be a painstaking venture. You can always learn the skills for a job that you would do anyway if you did not need the money. For example I drive a truck, it is a job I enjoy, this means most of my day behind the wheel I am happy. Now if I did not need the money (let's say I am wealthy) would I still want to go out and drive that truck? Yup, I sure would. Probably the only difference would be is that I would not press myself to drive 1,800 miles in three days, so delivery would take four to five days instead.

    Money, job, and meeting basic needs all go hand in hand with each other. Stuff such as a wife and kids, computers, video games and so forth or just stuff that has been acquired because it probably does bring joy into that guys life. However these same things can also be used as leverage against that same guy. This is why we see guys getting shafted in divorce, these guys want to see their kids. Lawyers know this and advise their client (the ex-wife) to deny the ex-husband access to the kids. The kids are the leverage that the ex-wife uses against the ex-husband. So for the ex-husband what use to be a source of pleasure has now been turned against him and is a source of pain. This is one of the reasons why through out history men have always been encouraged to take on a wife and have kids. You see there have always been prostitutes around for men to get laid, however prostitutes can offer no real leverage against a man. However a wife and kids are leverage rather you be a divorce lawyer or the king of England.

    Now you can keep yourself unattached as much as possible, however it is a trade off. For myself I don't have a wife and kids so much because I am worried about someone outside using it as leverage against me. I stay away from having a wife and kids because I know what that wife can legally do to me and it is a risk I am not willing to take and it causes me too much stress. For myself I have found that trying to remain totally unattached is not really the way to go. Being flexible and able to adapt to your current situation is the way to go. For example I love playing video games on a computer, however if need be, tomorrow if my PC was gone I can be just as happy playing solitaire with a deck of regular playing cards. I've known guys that had been locked up in prison for 10 plus years, spent time in the hole and so forth. I've known other guys that were POW's in Vietnam and they both had one thing in common. Even though each of these situations were difficult they maintained their sanity by escaping through fantasizing, in other words they went to a happy place in their mind. So everything can be taken from you, however what cannot be taken is your state of mind. Yes outside influences can derail you from your happiness, however this is only if you let it.
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