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    Re: What’s happened with Unboxxed?

    Quote Originally Posted by 743 Roadmaster View Post
    I stopped posting here because he kept on changing my posts. Had one heck of a attitude about it. So if he is no longer adm you might get more traffic back on this forum.
    Well. The fact is that being a MOD on a MGTOW forum is most probably one of the most ungrateful task you can ever take care off. I have no reason to complain about him and have never experienced anything like changing my posts, I gotta take you word for granted on that one Roadmaster, but I would like to hear also Unboxxed on this argument. I mean . . . Why would he do such kind of thing?

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    Most probably you are referring to this thread, correct me if I'm wrong

    https://www.goingyourownway.com/mgto...r-forum-14017/

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    Re: What’s happened with Unboxxed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Born MGTOW View Post
    Well. The fact is that being a MOD on a MGTOW forum is most probably one of the most ungrateful task you can ever take care off. I have no reason to complain about him and have never experienced anything like changing my posts, I gotta take you word for granted on that one Roadmaster, but I would like to hear also Unboxxed on this argument. I mean . . . Why would he do such kind of thing?

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    I ask myself at times why is it so hard for us MGTOW's to get along with each other. Instead of staying strong together and holding the line we are as easily divided as all the rest of the men out there.
    I dont think getting along completely is a good idea overall. Sometimes a bit of conflict is necessary to figure things out, its a natural part of men's world. If I am wrong, I'd appreciate if someone talk some sense to me by metaphorically punching to my face, instead of sugar coating and ending up confusing me even more.

    But that also means sometimes the conflicts will spiral out of hand, and someone needs to do actual work, reading and clicking on buttons, and sometimes to even type warnings, to get the hold of the situations. Which, in your words, an ungrateful task of the moderators. And I have said it several times before on this forum, that aggressive moderation can also be the result of saving the energy and sanity on the part of moderator(s). There is only so much one can have of them.

    And that means its inevitable. Regardless of who the moderator is, regardless of the policies, there will be frictions.

    The recent changes made by Unboxxed in the Intro section of the forums, the fact that he used to ask two additional questions AFTER a valid intro, was a reaction to the fact that there were SO MANY people beating around the bush and not able to say simple things in a simple way. Yes we should have sympathy for the men who came here after psychological trauma, but that doesnt mean that the gatekeeper has to take the trauma on himself as part of that sympathy. We cant expect one guy to be doing that stuff all day, heck I will lose my mind after doing that with ONE person, its unbelievable to me how much Unboxxed used to do.

    So I had a hunch, and maybe I am wrong, that the wear and tear was happening, and to make things more efficient and manageable, Unboxxed made those changes to Intro policies. And he was the ONLY one who was doing it. Now when he is gone, there is nobody to do that anymore. And I dont see anyone coming in future. Which is why I'd agree with Jackoff. Without any explanation from anybody who knows more about this, we will only tend to assume the worst.
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    Re: What’s happened with Unboxxed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Born MGTOW View Post
    I ask myself at times why is it so hard for us MGTOW's to get along with each other. Instead of staying strong together and holding the line we are as easily divided as all the rest of the men out there.
    I know what you mean, but I see it as we are all on a journey for the truth in our lives and each of us are at a different point in that journey. No one journey is the same as the others. Some will aim to be off grid, hermit style in the mountains somewhere, another might be some exotic island in a 3rd world country as talked about in the P4P section... Others just a ghost in plain sight...

    TRP is divided into many groups or fractions, MGTOW being one of them.

    INTOS: As a newer member here I didn't have a problem, no extra questions.... I decided I wanted to join (most important part for me). I read what was required. I looked over some failures to join to see where they went wrong. I structured my intro as best I could to the requirements in the sticky. (I followed the directions because I wanted to join...) I didn't have a problem with examples as I have made heaps of mistakes and I am still learning from them. No one likes to admit to mistakes or failures, the intro makes you do that.

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    Re: What’s happened with Unboxxed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Born MGTOW View Post
    I ask myself at times why is it so hard for us MGTOW's to get along with each other. Instead of staying strong together and holding the line we are as easily divided as all the rest of the men out there.
    Of course you’re right, but like others I’m not sure it’s as bad as it might seem.

    Women get to know each other by agreeing with each other and trying to fit in. Eventually they turn on each other.

    Men on the other hand test each other’s mettle. Sometimes this ends badly, but when we bond it can endure for a lifetime.

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    Re: What’s happened with Unboxxed?

    No one likes to admit to mistakes or failures, the intro makes you do that.
    Ah, the ego. Yeah, to admit failure is loserish in the eyes of women and beta males.
    Me? My life is littered with failures. I went through a stage where all my failures were haunting me in a continual basis. I eventually realised this was a test for me to get over myself, and let it go. And also, to get it right next time, grab each opportunity without wasting it. Now a failure doesn't have the same sting when it happens, and I don't fear failure which is crucial for success in anything, I think.
    I'm not a big fan of quoting Churchill, and he probably nicked it off someone else, but he said success is going from one failure to another without loss of enthusiasm. I like that.

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    Re: What’s happened with Unboxxed?

    I know what you mean, but I see it as we are all on a journey for the truth in our lives and each of us are at a different point in that journey. No one journey is the same as the others. Some will aim to be off grid, hermit style in the mountains somewhere, another might be some exotic island in a 3rd world country as talked about in the P4P section... Others just a ghost in plain sight...


    True. If MGTOW can't be friends with each other, mostly, then we are fucked. Details aside, we have the most in common in overall outlook on life. It would be nice to think the MGTOW sage could come down from his mountain and meet with the corporate go getter MGTOW. And vice versa.

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    Re: What’s happened with Unboxxed?

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    Ah, the ego. Yeah, to admit failure is loserish in the eyes of women and beta males.
    Me? My life is littered with failures. I went through a stage where all my failures were haunting me in a continual basis. I eventually realised this was a test for me to get over myself, and let it go. And also, to get it right next time, grab each opportunity without wasting it. Now a failure doesn't have the same sting when it happens, and I don't fear failure which is crucial for success in anything, I think.
    I'm not a big fan of quoting Churchill, and he probably nicked it off someone else, but he said success is going from one failure to another without loss of enthusiasm. I like that.
    Thank you for sharing this. I still go through this on occasion and it isn’t pleasant. I take a little comfort in the fact that only a reflective mind that honestly admits to himself his mistakes can make improvements. Seeing those mistakes though are inevitably painful.

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    Re: What’s happened with Unboxxed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Thank you for sharing this. I still go through this on occasion and it isn’t pleasant. I take a little comfort in the fact that only a reflective mind that honestly admits to himself his mistakes can make improvements. Seeing those mistakes though are inevitably painful.
    The painful part isn't admitting failure, it's admitting defeat and that you'll never change because that particular change is IMPOSSIBLE! I don't call them flaws, I call them CHARACTER! Like knots in a 2x4, sure they make it weaker, but hey give it CHARACTER!
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    What if I told you there's another road, a road less traveled, a road straight and narrow, free of bandits, checkpoints, taxes, and tolls?

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    Re: What’s happened with Unboxxed?

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    I call them CHARACTER! Like knots in a 2x4, sure they make it weaker, but hey give it CHARACTER!
    Trying to drive a 4" Ardox into that dry twisted knot will bring out your "CHARACTER".... And the best of the English language that is not printed in the Oxford dictionary....

    Defeat for me is when I'm in a pine box heading to the furnace.... It will come someday but I will leave a mess for someone to clean up before that!!!

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    Re: What’s happened with Unboxxed?

    Quote Originally Posted by RustyNuts View Post
    Trying to drive a 4" Ardox into that dry twisted knot will bring out your "CHARACTER".... And the best of the English language that is not printed in the Oxford dictionary....

    Defeat for me is when I'm in a pine box heading to the furnace.... It will come someday but I will leave a mess for someone to clean up before that!!!
    Many a carpenters have lost fingers and eyeballs hitting knots and dislodging them at bullet speed with a circular saw! It's why the Amish stuck with handsaws! Drills too, they can bind up and knock your teeth out! It's why the Amish have such nice pearly white teeth...
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    What if I told you there's another road, a road less traveled, a road straight and narrow, free of bandits, checkpoints, taxes, and tolls?

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    Re: What’s happened with Unboxxed?

    Sorry for replying to an old thread but...

    Unboxxed was always cool in my book. If I stepped out of line then he'd PM me and I didn't PMS on the forum about it. He also banned me a few times I think but there was never any hard feelings.

    Im sad to see him go. He was an awesome admin.

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    Re: What’s happened with Unboxxed?

    Well, it is not often that one gets to attend his own funeral to see who cries and who doesn't.

    As of today, I am back in full force. I would like to thank Jackoff for his generosity to have opened this thread and to the several members here who chimed in with their compliments (I was not logging in for a long time so I never saw the 'Likes' right away). A special shout-out to suspiciouscrow who sent me a very nice PM while I was away and to which I have already privately responded.

    I know members want to know what happened to me. As you know, I prefer transparency and have no problem explaining what happened. It's a pretty unexciting story, actually. Let's see how short I can keep it (me? keep it short? yeah, right) or you can scroll down to the TL;DR. Here goes:

    The vbulletin software used to run this site is, IMO, lacking a feature to allow Moderators a certain privilege that only the Admins have. Specifically, to allow them to move out of the moderation bucket a registrant who has made a valid Intro, so he can post anywhere on the site. Currently, all Mods can move individual messages out of this bucket (making them visible to be seen by everyone) but cannot move the member's account itself. That would take an Admin to do it. This means a Mod could approve an Intro, advise a newbie that he is welcome, but the newbie would stay restricted to the New Member Intros sub-forum until an Admin was notified to move his account. Because Jagr and I are the only Admin, and Jagr is not frequent to this site, that left only me to do that specific final step. As you know, I've been doing all the Intros as Admin so moving the accepted accounts has been a seamless operation. I am of the view that this important final step also should be available to the SuperMods to do. I mean, I could get hit by a truck, right?

    The vbulletin chatroom has other Admins of other sites seeking the very same option for their Mods so it's a known problem and I have been researching for a solution for well over a year, checking back there to see if a solution has been identified. Several months back, a solution was identified in that chatroom but, when I tried to implement it, our site told me I did not have Administrator privileges for that. Gee, that's odd. I hoped that maybe Jagr had Admin privileges unavailable to me so I wrote out an explanatory post to him last Jan 18th in the mods-only sub-forum, explaining what I was asking him to do.

    Months went by, no reply from him. Last May, I was following-up and sent him a PM, pointing him to the January post, asking him about performing the purported solution. He replied back asking if it was really necessary due to our drop of new registrants, and I understood from his message that he thought the research was for him to perform. Trying to keep the message brief, I told him I had already done all the research and all I needed him to do was such-and-such steps and, if it doesn't work for him either, his involvement (with this purported solution) would end there. And then I would go back to researching for another solution.

    Except what I wrote did not include the part in parentheses and did not land on him in the way I meant it. I guess in the time lapse, he did not recall the context of the story or go look for it and only saw in this latest message what he later termed "a hostile comment". So, he removed me as Admin/Mod out of "an abundance of caution". This all happened on May 9th and, when I wrote the post on the afternoon of May 9th that Jackoff first saw, saying I did not know why I was demoted, I truly did not know at that point in time the reason, having no idea that it was related to the recent follow-up to the January post. I did not even think it was punitive but maybe a site glitch. All I knew is that suddenly I could no longer log into the Admin Control Panel. I sent Jagr a PM asking what happened to me, got his reply, I then recapped some of the context that he did not see for himself. He accepted this and said he would restore me. This was May 9th.

    So, I waited. And waited. He logged off that night and I still was not restored. The days ticked by. Then weeks. No word from Jagr. Gee, would he really wait until his next visit to restore me? How long would that be? Or did he change his mind and put me on ignore? I wasn't sure how to think about this whole thing. Should I feel humiliated in front of the membership (you guys)? Nah, too much of a reaction. Should I consider this a sign from the universe that I should simply move on, noting my time with MGTOW has come to an end? I still have my own hobby website where I am sole Admin to literally thousands of active users and so there's that. So, I stayed away, not logging in, knowing that if I post as a Senior Member, for sure I will receive questions about what happened, and, frankly, I did not want to tamper with the crime scene by helping to mitigate its effects through explanations, if you know what I mean. Let's find out what difference I truly make in the wake of this incident, maybe that would be my take-away from this.

    Isn't it unfortunate that, in trying to address a solution to avoid having me be the only one who moves accounts, I was removed, leaving no one to move accounts? I kept thinking about that.

    Finally I heard from Jagr on June 16th, regretting his delay and saying he now restored me as Admin. However, it was in "name only" because I still had no Admin privileges. Zero. Zip. Nada. I wrote back on June 17th to explain this, hard as it was to do with words as I could attach no images to my PM to show him what my screen was showing me.

    Jackoff noticed in his thread of July 4th that my Admin title had been restored above my avatar. Yet, I had no privileges so still I did not want to come back to the site, to have to field Admin requests from newbies and members to then have to explain I am not really an Admin. How would that look? And then have them think poorly of us, probably of me, since I am the one to whom they are communicating and with an Admin title. I am the name they would throw darts at. How stupid is that, to set myself up as the guy who does damage control to his own crime scene and pays for it, too? LOL. So, I decided I cannot come back, ever, until I am again fully an Admin.

    Still, no word from Jagr. Should I send him a new email, when he has not read my previous ones from June 17th? Do I really want to care more than him? What about my dignity? Finally, yesterday, July 7th, I happened to notice he was logged into the site so I sent him a PM thinking he would see a pop-up while he was online. If no reply, I guess I am gone. It worked. He replied today that he found the Admin screens had default Admin privileges turned to NO for everything; so even if he made someone an admin, it gave them no privileges. He fixed it, I am now back in full force, and here I am, writing overlong explanations. But, I think with this long post I have addressed a variety of concerns, suspicions, and questions that our members may have had. I really did not want to join the MGTOW folklore of mysteries.

    TL;DR - a misunderstanding that lasted 1 day while the rectification took 2 months.

    I would just like to candidly say that it's not fun being misunderstood in matters of character. I work hard to maintain trust IRL. I hope this effort also comes across on this website.

    Anyway, moving on to business...

    In the 2 months of my absence there has been 69 new registrations while only a few have composed an Intro to any degree. Now that I can once again move accounts, I'll be addressing these Intros shortly. A few of the other new registrants have been logging in and lurking while the remainder it appears merely registered and never came back. I will do the fair thing and PM all of them to point them to our How To Intro sticky. We may have a flock of newbies coming in, dunno. (If you use a cellphone to view our "What's New" section, please be patient if your screen fills up with entries from me. It has to be done.)

    I see the existing membership really didn't need a Sheriff as I saw in two months only one brief kerfuffle that would have required Mod intervention had it not worked itself out. Or, maybe, everybody was on their best behavior thinking that, without a Sheriff to hold them back, any one of you could have started quite a gunfight and who would want that for this site! LOL.

    I think I'll next scroll down this thread and reply individually to various comments. Then, I'll attack the moderation bucket which has the waiting Intros plus one or two sassy comments waiting there in Non-Member Questions and Opposing Views. Although, I'm not letting through the one that simply says "Meow"! We all know who that is. LOL

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    Welcome back bro!!!!
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    Re: What’s happened with Unboxxed?

    Wahey, our sheriff returns! Glad to have you back. I think we were better behaved while you were away, I think we only play up when we know there's someone around to sort it out!

    Anyway beer's coming right up, this one's on me

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    Re: What’s happened with Unboxxed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    O.K., maybe some would like a conspiracy theory to erupt, so here’s one for you:

    In recent days there was a debate on this site about how it was to be moderated. There were those, including Super Moderator Mr Wombat that advocated the “Let them in and deal with them later" attitude.

    Unboxxed advocated the “Stop them at the gate" attitude.

    Each viewpoint had its supporters.
    I know you are not taking sides, but I want to comment about this to our general readers.

    Think of who is actually doing the labor of policing this.

    I think of it like the southern border of the United States and all the trouble currently going on there with illegal crossings. There are those who believe we should stop from entering all who are not citizens. There are those who say let them all in and deal with them later only if they should, I dunno, break laws or something.

    You can see the analogy. If we let them all in, I find I am the only policeman (moderator) in all 50 states (the many forums and threads) who winds up having to chase the offenders down, check for their passport (a valid Intro), and deport them (ban them) if they don't have one. It always falls on me.

    (In the two months that I have been gone, there are Intros in moderation, all have not been looked at by anyone. Two months.)

    With the lessening participation of our Moderators, "Deal with them later" sounds so reasonable but operationally translates to mean "Let Unboxxed deal with them later". Not a complaint. Just sayin'.

    You do enough of this alone and you begin to wonder, when I already have everybody meeting me at the border crossing (New Member Intros sub-forum) to begin with, why not just ask for their valid passport at that time?

    So, I stop them at the gate. It's not unkind, if that is anybody's thought. Normally, I twice PM each registrant with the How to Intro sticky and by spending time in the newbie's Intro thread, as needed, to help him give us what we need to hear.

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    Re: What’s happened with Unboxxed?

    Sounds like a technological and miscommunication head fuck!

    Glad to see you back.

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    Re: What’s happened with Unboxxed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    I see the existing membership really didn't need a Sheriff as I saw in two months only one brief kerfuffle that would have required Mod intervention had it not worked itself out. Or, maybe, everybody was on their best behavior thinking that, without a Sheriff to hold them back, any one of you could have started quite a gunfight and who would want that for this site! LOL.
    The benefits of strict border control policies !

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    I still have my own hobby website where I am sole Admin to literally thousands of active users and so there's that.
    So you do this basically all day ?

    Anyways, glad to have you back.
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    Re: What’s happened with Unboxxed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    I know you are not taking sides, but I want to comment about this to our general readers.

    Think of who is actually doing the labor of policing this.

    I think of it like the southern border of the United States and all the trouble currently going on there with illegal crossings. There are those who believe we should stop from entering all who are not citizens. There are those who say let them all in and deal with them later only if they should, I dunno, break laws or something.

    You can see the analogy. If we let them all in, I find I am the only policeman (moderator) in all 50 states (the many forums and threads) who winds up having to chase the offenders down, check for their passport (a valid Intro), and deport them (ban them) if they don't have one. It always falls on me.

    (In the two months that I have been gone, there are Intros in moderation, all have not been looked at by anyone. Two months.)

    With the lessening participation of our Moderators, "Deal with them later" sounds so reasonable but operationally translates to mean "Let Unboxxed deal with them later". Not a complaint. Just sayin'.

    You do enough of this alone and you begin to wonder, when I already have everybody meeting me at the border crossing (New Member Intros sub-forum) to begin with, why not just ask for their valid passport at that time?

    So, I stop them at the gate. It's not unkind, if that is anybody's thought. Normally, I twice PM each registrant with the How to Intro sticky and by spending time in the newbie's Intro thread, as needed, to help him give us what we need to hear.

    Thank you.
    Understand that when I posted this something had transpired. And what had transpired was going unanswered.

    I reacted.

    In the absence of facts some like myself look to the dark side. Not uncommon amongst MGTOW I would imagine.

    My problem is sometimes I speak up and sometimes I get things wrong. But is speculation wrong?

    I seen something that seemed to me to be related. Turns out it wasn't.

    This should be a lesson, one I will think upon.

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    Re: What’s happened with Unboxxed?

    Quote Originally Posted by 743 Roadmaster View Post
    I stopped posting here because he kept on changing my posts. Had one heck of a attitude about it. So if he is no longer adm you might get more traffic back on this forum.
    Hmm... We show your previous login visit to this site was October 14, 2019 and you haven't been back since you posted the message above on May 21, 2021. I'll assume you are not reading this so I will continue below, referring to you in third person.


    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Born MGTOW View Post
    Well. The fact is that being a MOD on a MGTOW forum is most probably one of the most ungrateful task you can ever take care off. I have no reason to complain about him and have never experienced anything like changing my posts, I gotta take you word for granted on that one Roadmaster, but I would like to hear also Unboxxed on this argument. I mean . . . Why would he do such kind of thing?
    Thank you, Natural Born MGTOW, for your judicious thinking. I agree, why would I do such a thing!

    As far as "changing posts", I never change what people type in the body of their message. I do redact single words, portions of text, or even entire messages (trolls, for example) and leave evidence behind that I did this [such as a note in red font in brackets] but if Roadmaster is suggesting that I "stealth-edit" what he says to change his message, he is incorrect. That would be terrible.

    I searched his posting history and cannot find any discussion with me about this. I wonder if he is confusing me with another Mod. That happens.

    What I will do, and reserve the right to do, is to change thread titles if and when I believe the title does not represent the content well enough. I may add words to the existing title or on occasion even change the title entirely. It is subjective, yes. This should not be taken personally. Most people get this, I believe.

    Once in a while, a member may intend to deceive or trick people (even in fun) to click on the link his thread contains by giving it a misleading title. These members may have a negative reaction if I change their title, as did Mad Max who carried on about censorship when I fixed his clickbait title to show that it wasn't the non-fiction event he tried to indicate it was. He was so put off by my action that he requested a self-ban. That's the only time I recall going back-and-forth with anybody about it.

    If you scroll down the main page of this site there is a section called "Latest Posts" which lists the thread titles. I consider that users are scanning this list and may expect that the titles they see there give them a reasonable idea of what's inside a thread should they bother to click on it. This causes me to modify certain titles, at times. Not all of them, just some, a few.

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    Re: What’s happened with Unboxxed?

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    The recent changes made by Unboxxed in the Intro section of the forums, the fact that he used to ask two additional questions AFTER a valid intro, was a reaction to the fact that there were SO MANY people beating around the bush and not able to say simple things in a simple way.
    If you can replace the word "valid" with the word "puzzling" then I would completely agree with what you wrote! I do not ask those questions after reading an Intro that appears valid to me. But, yeah, it seems the exception anymore to get an Intro written the first time that covers the bases, I am always delighted when that happens!

    So I had a hunch, and maybe I am wrong, that the wear and tear was happening, and to make things more efficient and manageable, Unboxxed made those changes to Intro policies.
    I think I see why you (and others) think I have changed the Intro policy by asking the two numbered questions that I ask. But, I haven't changed the Intro requirements. You are an analytical sort, so I bet you can appreciate the following explanation.

    On my other website, I frequently do extensive research. This has me emailing people, often out of the blue, asking them a series of questions, each question requiring an answer that fits that question, so that later I can write an abstract or paragraphs that honor all that I need to say and differentiate, etc. and still be historically accurate. I have found that, if I present the several questions one-after-the-other in paragraph form, too often the person answers only the last question asked, ignoring the others. Then I have to write him again, and possibly even again, to pull from him all that I need. Or, the person may pick from the paragraph the easiest question to answer, ignoring the other questions. Or, he may view my paragraph of questions in their totality as a general confusion, causing him to give me a story that may or may not address the individual questions. It can be pretty frustrating to encounter this feature of human nature over and over again. I endeavor to find a way to say what I need to say in my very first email in order to receive back in a single email all that I hope to get, without engaging in a lot of back-and-forth emailing, as I have also found that a person will answer the first email right away but follow-up emails from me sometimes tend to get answered more slowly. Research is painstaking, yes?

    I found an interesting trick. If I number my questions, not in paragraph form but listed like a questionnaire and double-spaced, I get the individual answers that I seek, to all of my questions. Works like a charm. The readers sees them as individual questions, which they are.

    So, referring to the Intros on this site, as you pointed out, SO MANY people beat around the bush, causing me to seek clarification: are they MGTOW or not? After repeatedly typing my requests for clarification brand new from my head, eventually I realized that I don't need to type type type each time. I realized that what I seek to get from these confusing people are often the answers to the same two basic questions. By this time I had the two questions practically memorized but eventually decided to store them offline and simply copy/paste them each time I needed to type them. And, here's the point, because of what I learned about people from my other website, I decided to number these two questions and double-space them, to help ensure I get an answer to each question in his first reply.

    What you are seeing is that I have standardized my repetitive request for clarification, requested only when needed. Yes, for the reason you gave, to make things more efficient and manageable. I dislike excessive back-and-forth messaging. I've not changed the Intro policy itself. I'm hoping you can now better see this distinction that I make.

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