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    Happened to me: lesbian trying to play a straight girl

    True story that happened to me.

    Contractor girl starts working at the plant. She is very talky, and everyone loves her. I immediately ignore her and do my own thing.

    Sure enough, a week or two later she finds me (I was literally hiding in a closet!), asks me to do something. So I go and do it, and I do not say anything to her. Later, she complains to my supervisor why I don't talk. Supervisor thinks I'm an idiot who doesn't know how to talk to girls.

    A few other times she is flirty, touches me, etc. I ignore it all.

    Eventually, she stops wearing the make-up and nice clothes. She becomes the typical 34 year old woman just doing the job.

    I wonder, "Hmm, what if it was genuine?" I sent an email to her asking when she'd come in because I had a question for her. If she liked me, she would respond at least.

    There's no response. It's because she doesn't read her email. I know this because my supervisor asked me to contact her about a problem at the plant, I told him he had to do it because she won't respond to what I sent. She then tells me "I got your email," and is telling me all the times she'd be at the plant. She's suddenly touching me again and wearing make-up! Last time I saw her, she was so over-the-top flirty that a coworker's response was only, "Dude, she wants to suck your d*ck!"

    There was a company function at the beach soon, and I heard word she would be coming. I decided to show up for curiosity's sake and see where this girl stood.

    She was all nervous around me, dropping a brand new shirt into the mud, putting her things with mine on my chair, etc. She followed me around and we talked throughout the event. Seems promising, right? So let's escalate...

    "Only as friends." WTF? "I'm a lesbian." I pressed because that is what girls say to be nice. But no, she is actually a lesbian (heard some of this in the grapevine earlier). So I wanted to ask her why she was acting the way she did (all the flirty shit). "I heard you were alone so I decided to be nice." (WTF!?) Her exact quote: "I can act any way I want!"

    I'm not baffled that a woman wants to keep being able to exploit men. But what baffles me is why come to a company event, when it isn't even your company, talk to someone who wasn't going to be buying anything, lead a man on and on and on... and had it not been that I was escalating, I would have never forced the truth.

    I don't understand why a lesbian would behave like this. If you're not attracted to men, why do you want their attention? And why talk to me for hours on end?

    At the end, she asked for us to be friends. I said no.
    They intentionally say what we 'ought' to do instead of what we could do. For if the lion discovers his own strength, he will become uncontrollable.

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    Re: Happened to me: lesbian trying to play a straight girl

    Hey Mac, Good to see you around. Why would she do that? This may not be the answer MGTOWs want to hear but I think there is a universality to people thinking some people are cute in a platonic way and we enjoy being around them. I've had female friends I wouldn't want to date but it's still amusing joking with them and semi-flirting for the fun of it.

    That said, women take it further where they really get off on toying with men. And perhaps men that are standoffish are a challenge for them; not to date, but to see if by acting a certain way, they have what it takes to bring him around. Just like some men fancy themselves the kind of guy that could turn a lesbian straight.... but in those cases, they would actually sleep with them if seduction worked.

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    Re: Happened to me: lesbian trying to play a straight girl

    I get that at work too but the lesbians aren't pretending to be straight. They are 100% Lesbian but most are butch lesbian, no amount of make up would make those women appealing to men. Anyway, when they talk to me they still try softening their voices, putting on a softer personality etc. They either want something there and then or are laying the foundations for something in the future. I just keep my head down really.

    I am pretty quiet anyway but have realized I need to be even more silent. And yes that annoys me too when the boss thinks you have to be more chatty or happier. I get the job done. End of story.

    I also agree that some women like a man who is a challenge - up to a point. When they realize they won't win they can get rather nasty.

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    Re: Happened to me: lesbian trying to play a straight girl

    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post
    Hey Mac, Good to see you around.
    Hi Jag! Thank you again for hosting this forum for all this time. I've noticed posts tend to come in two flavors. One is real world examples of shit happening. Second one is abstract like something in the news or a 'philosophy idea' or something. I really need this forum for the real world examples as I cannot talk about them anywhere else.

    Why would she do that? This may not be the answer MGTOWs want to hear but I think there is a universality to people thinking some people are cute in a platonic way and we enjoy being around them. I've had female friends I wouldn't want to date but it's still amusing joking with them and semi-flirting for the fun of it.
    This is true, but I don't think this is the situation going on here. She flirted way too hot and strong.

    That said, women take it further where they really get off on toying with men. And perhaps men that are standoffish are a challenge for them; not to date, but to see if by acting a certain way, they have what it takes to bring him around. Just like some men fancy themselves the kind of guy that could turn a lesbian straight.... but in those cases, they would actually sleep with them if seduction worked.
    I don't think that is the case here either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kryptic View Post
    I get that at work too but the lesbians aren't pretending to be straight. They are 100% Lesbian but most are butch lesbian, no amount of make up would make those women appealing to men. Anyway, when they talk to me they still try softening their voices, putting on a softer personality etc. They either want something there and then or are laying the foundations for something in the future.
    This is what I think is going on. But the foundations of... what... exactly? In so many ways when I was with her, it felt like a 'date'.

    I actually think men and women both unconsciously desire the nuclear unit type of traditional relationship. There is so much philosophy and crap we put in our heads that keeps suppressing that. If something like 'lesbian' was so natural, then why does every lesbian have a ton of books about it? It is to reinforce that philosophy and keep that suppression going.

    Even here at MGTOW world probably do desire that type of traditional union at least in our hearts.

    She has a big dog (which many lesbians do). She asked me if I had pets. I said no. Then she said she could get rid of her dog (!). Asking about drinking, I drink occasional whiskey, she would tell me about her married friend who would drink that when she visited them. When I mentioned about maybe moving to another country (this was at the end after she dropped the lesbian bomb), she became very concerned.

    What is her intentions toward me? Does she even know?

    To me, this is an intellectual puzzle. I'm tempted next time I see her to do the 'friend' route just to see what she does (no intention of playing the simp role, just scientific observation here. There's only so much I can learn sitting at the computer). This situation is so absurd and funny to me that I'm curious what happens next.
    They intentionally say what we 'ought' to do instead of what we could do. For if the lion discovers his own strength, he will become uncontrollable.

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    Re: Happened to me: lesbian trying to play a straight girl

    I say this in all seriousness: She might simply be insane. Insanity is not a binary condition, where one's insane or not insane. There are varying degrees of it. I see many people out there who function reasonably well but you can tell their brains are ever so slightly miswired, either from birth or from prior substance abuse or from unfortunate things that happened to them early in life or simply from health issues.

    What you have here is inconsistency. But you'll never unearth all the reasons for that inconsistency. Even if she were to open up and reveal everything, you'd have no guarantee everything was actually revealed. She might not be aware of one or more contributing factors. So, any conclusion you reach about her is highly unlikely to be accurate.

    Example: I once worked with a woman who was up one day, down the next, sideways the next, dressed hot one day (and she was an easy 8 so it was really impressive), dressed like a bag lady the next, talkative one day, mute the next. No one could figure out what the hell was wrong with her. Drugs? Mental illness? Relationship problems? Well, a long time after she left, a friend of hers told me she was struggling with some hormonal/PMS thing where 90% of the time she was on an emotional rollercoaster and it was all she could do to get through a day without committing suicide.

    The point being, sometimes you just don't know, and you never will. So you have to just let it go.

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    Re: Happened to me: lesbian trying to play a straight girl

    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    I say this in all seriousness: She might simply be insane. Insanity is not a binary condition, where one's insane or not insane. There are varying degrees of it. I see many people out there who function reasonably well but you can tell their brains are ever so slightly miswired, either from birth or from prior substance abuse or from unfortunate things that happened to them early in life or simply from health issues.

    What you have here is inconsistency. But you'll never unearth all the reasons for that inconsistency. Even if she were to open up and reveal everything, you'd have no guarantee everything was actually revealed. She might not be aware of one or more contributing factors. So, any conclusion you reach about her is highly unlikely to be accurate.

    Example: I once worked with a woman who was up one day, down the next, sideways the next, dressed hot one day (and she was an easy 8 so it was really impressive), dressed like a bag lady the next, talkative one day, mute the next. No one could figure out what the hell was wrong with her. Drugs? Mental illness? Relationship problems? Well, a long time after she left, a friend of hers told me she was struggling with some hormonal/PMS thing where 90% of the time she was on an emotional rollercoaster and it was all she could do to get through a day without committing suicide.

    The point being, sometimes you just don't know, and you never will. So you have to just let it go.
    This is good advice, and I will take it. Thank you.
    They intentionally say what we 'ought' to do instead of what we could do. For if the lion discovers his own strength, he will become uncontrollable.

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    Re: Happened to me: lesbian trying to play a straight girl

    I worked in an automotive plant for over 15 years. After the first harrassment lawsuit the behavior of females changed drastically. There were many more lawsuits. The fact that this female pointed out to your boss that you stayed away from her is a huge red flag.

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    Re: Happened to me: lesbian trying to play a straight girl

    Women are women. Never shit where you eat. Stay away from her or else you will get fake sexual harassment charges orcthe alphabet mafia (LGBTQ ACDEFHIJKMNOPRSUVWXYZ+) will be on you

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    Re: Happened to me: lesbian trying to play a straight girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Macavity View Post

    This is what I think is going on. But the foundations of... what... exactly? In so many ways when I was with her, it felt like a 'date'.

    I actually think men and women both unconsciously desire the nuclear unit type of traditional relationship. There is so much philosophy and crap we put in our heads that keeps suppressing that. If something like 'lesbian' was so natural, then why does every lesbian have a ton of books about it? It is to reinforce that philosophy and keep that suppression going.

    Even here at MGTOW world probably do desire that type of traditional union at least in our hearts.

    She has a big dog (which many lesbians do). She asked me if I had pets. I said no. Then she said she could get rid of her dog (!). Asking about drinking, I drink occasional whiskey, she would tell me about her married friend who would drink that when she visited them. When I mentioned about maybe moving to another country (this was at the end after she dropped the lesbian bomb), she became very concerned.

    What is her intentions toward me? Does she even know?

    To me, this is an intellectual puzzle. I'm tempted next time I see her to do the 'friend' route just to see what she does (no intention of playing the simp role, just scientific observation here. There's only so much I can learn sitting at the computer). This situation is so absurd and funny to me that I'm curious what happens next.
    A couple of the lesbian's I worked with would sometimes come to work in very bad moods. This was when I was younger and more curious and tolerant of the world. Anyway, as an experiment I bought them some chocolate, not expensive stuff, nothing that could be construed as a romantic gesture either. Just basic chocolate bars.

    They both reacted in a rather blushing and pleasant manner and their whole moods changed instantly.

    So yes, I would agree. Most men and women desire traditionalism. There have been studies that show most women would prefer not to work at all. They have rejected the Feminist dream. They would prefer to be stay at home mothers with husbands who bring home the bacon. In an ideal world I think a lot of men would be happy with that too eliminating chances of divorce and it's effects.

    So what are these lesbian's planning in the work place? Are you good at your job? Are you someone that can teach them? Someone that can support them in with work related advice? That is what I have found. Perhaps there is an element of pseudo romance to it but I think it is just women using men even if it's not sexually.

    Women use each other in the same way they use men as well.

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    Re: Happened to me: lesbian trying to play a straight girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Kryptic View Post
    A couple of the lesbian's I worked with would sometimes come to work in very bad moods. This was when I was younger and more curious and tolerant of the world. Anyway, as an experiment I bought them some chocolate, not expensive stuff, nothing that could be construed as a romantic gesture either. Just basic chocolate bars.

    They both reacted in a rather blushing and pleasant manner and their whole moods changed instantly.

    So yes, I would agree. Most men and women desire traditionalism. There have been studies that show most women would prefer not to work at all. They have rejected the Feminist dream. They would prefer to be stay at home mothers with husbands who bring home the bacon. In an ideal world I think a lot of men would be happy with that too eliminating chances of divorce and it's effects.

    So what are these lesbian's planning in the work place? Are you good at your job? Are you someone that can teach them? Someone that can support them in with work related advice? That is what I have found. Perhaps there is an element of pseudo romance to it but I think it is just women using men even if it's not sexually.

    Women use each other in the same way they use men as well.
    All that does is make you two chocolate bars down in life! I prefer using them, but the effort outweighs the reward!

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    Re: Happened to me: lesbian trying to play a straight girl

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    All that does is make you two chocolate bars down in life! I prefer using them, but the effort outweighs the reward!

    Net Zero is the best a man can do regarding woman.
    Yeah it does but I was younger and simply curious, perhaps even being a wise guy. But it was interesting to see how their moods changed so much. Kind of like the old cranky dog that barks at everyone, not because they are a bad dog but because they just need some petting!

    I wouldn't bother with it now though.

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    Re: Happened to me: lesbian trying to play a straight girl

    @Macavity, Sandman made a video out of your post:

    https://youtu.be/txHClDJ09Tw

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    Re: Happened to me: lesbian trying to play a straight girl

    Women: "I can act any way I want!"

    Also women: Complain to a man's supervisor when he doesn't act how SHE wants.

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    Re: Happened to me: lesbian trying to play a straight girl

    Quote Originally Posted by I_walk_alone View Post
    Women: "I can act any way I want!"

    Also women: Complain to a man's supervisor when he doesn't act how SHE wants.
    Right now I'm chuckling about a friend of mine that recently said; "(insert name here) don't do cunt).

    I've noticed a few changes in his relationshit, he's been sleeping at his shop for a while, she got rid of the apartment and moved back home, and I haven't seen her for a while...

    Fingers crossed! Both hands!

    Naturally I dropped a few Truthbombs on him, like Peleliu Island circa 1944!


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    Re: Happened to me: lesbian trying to play a straight girl

    Lesbian women don't like dating each other.

    There is a trope that with lesbians, the first date is getting to know each other, and the second date is unloading a van to move in.

    A woman can expect all sorts of resource transfer from dating a man, and can stretch the process out into weeks, months, and even years.

    But a woman has a mental block against opening her wallet for another woman in dating. They know dating is merely a means of manipulating someone into paying for their company - legal, low level form of prostitution - because even lesbians have either dated men or had men offer to take them on dates, and the thought of switching roles and doing it for another woman is anathema to them.

    But lesbians are women. And women love male attention. They thrive on male attention.

    Even when put in an all female environment, like a prison, women will gravitate towards the most masculine woman in the group and vie for her attention.
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    Re: Happened to me: lesbian trying to play a straight girl

    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    Well, a long time after she left, a friend of hers told me she was struggling with some hormonal/PMS thing where 90% of the time she was on an emotional rollercoaster and it was all she could do to get through a day without committing suicide.
    FFS. Then why hadn't she already? If this roller coaster of hers was so horrible that for one week a month there was a 1 in 1000 chance she'd commit suicide any given day, after 5 years there's a 65% chance she would have had a go at it.

    I knew someone who committed suicide. He didn't tell people he was going to do it. And he didn't need nine goes at it, as women mysteriously seem to do.
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    Re: Happened to me: lesbian trying to play a straight girl

    Quote Originally Posted by sam luis obispo View Post
    Lesbian women don't like dating each other.

    There is a trope that with lesbians, the first date is getting to know each other, and the second date is unloading a van to move in.

    A woman can expect all sorts of resource transfer from dating a man, and can stretch to process out into weeks, months, and even years.

    But a woman has a mental block against opening her wallet for another woman in dating. They know dating is merely a means of manipulating someone into paying for their company - legal, low level form of prostitution - because even lesbians have either dated men or had men offer to take them on dates, and the thought of switching roles and doing it for another woman is anathema to them.

    But lesbians are women. And women love male attention. They thrive on male attention.

    Even when put in an all female environment, like a prison, women will gravitate towards the most masculine woman in the group and vie for her attention.
    I have spoken to Bisexual women who complain about women the same way men do. The entitlement factor, the bullshit etc. One summed it up quite well "Unless you have experienced it, you really don't know what it's like".

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    Re: Happened to me: lesbian trying to play a straight girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Macavity View Post
    True story that happened to me.

    Contractor girl starts working at the plant. She is very talky, and everyone loves her. I immediately ignore her and do my own thing.

    Sure enough, a week or two later she finds me (I was literally hiding in a closet!), asks me to do something. So I go and do it, and I do not say anything to her. Later, she complains to my supervisor why I don't talk. Supervisor thinks I'm an idiot who doesn't know how to talk to girls.

    A few other times she is flirty, touches me, etc. I ignore it all.

    Eventually, she stops wearing the make-up and nice clothes. She becomes the typical 34 year old woman just doing the job.

    I wonder, "Hmm, what if it was genuine?" I sent an email to her asking when she'd come in because I had a question for her. If she liked me, she would respond at least.

    There's no response. It's because she doesn't read her email. I know this because my supervisor asked me to contact her about a problem at the plant, I told him he had to do it because she won't respond to what I sent. She then tells me "I got your email," and is telling me all the times she'd be at the plant. She's suddenly touching me again and wearing make-up! Last time I saw her, she was so over-the-top flirty that a coworker's response was only, "Dude, she wants to suck your d*ck!"

    There was a company function at the beach soon, and I heard word she would be coming. I decided to show up for curiosity's sake and see where this girl stood.

    She was all nervous around me, dropping a brand new shirt into the mud, putting her things with mine on my chair, etc. She followed me around and we talked throughout the event. Seems promising, right? So let's escalate...

    "Only as friends." WTF? "I'm a lesbian." I pressed because that is what girls say to be nice. But no, she is actually a lesbian (heard some of this in the grapevine earlier). So I wanted to ask her why she was acting the way she did (all the flirty shit). "I heard you were alone so I decided to be nice." (WTF!?) Her exact quote: "I can act any way I want!"

    I'm not baffled that a woman wants to keep being able to exploit men. But what baffles me is why come to a company event, when it isn't even your company, talk to someone who wasn't going to be buying anything, lead a man on and on and on... and had it not been that I was escalating, I would have never forced the truth.

    I don't understand why a lesbian would behave like this. If you're not attracted to men, why do you want their attention? And why talk to me for hours on end?

    At the end, she asked for us to be friends. I said no.
    At one point, I worked in an office with (among others) a sort of lipstick lesbian. For some reason, she would always single me out for small talk and chit-chat. I didn't get it. Makeup or no makeup, she was plainly a lesbian but here she was fishing for attention from me anyway.

    I eventually reasoned that male attention is kind of like a drug for women, even lesbians. Straight women get some satisfaction from being desired by men, even if (or especially if) they don't feel the same way. And I think there's a kind of lesbian out there who gets her jollies from rejecting men after getting their hopes up.

    What I think was going on was the lipstick lesbian wanted me to think I was in some kind of Chasing Amy situation so that I'd make a fool of myself trying (and failing) to win her over. So, when I started avoiding her and mentioning my (non-existent) girlfriend to her when we were in the same room together, it ruffled her ego. In the end, she started avoiding me, which I was fine with and I made no effort to correct that.

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    Re: Happened to me: lesbian trying to play a straight girl

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    I knew someone who committed suicide. He didn't tell people he was going to do it. And he didn't need nine goes at it, as women mysteriously seem to do.
    Same. I know a man who committed suicide. He told no-one. Indeed, it seems that when he had decided, he stopped talking about his problems to the few he did and briefly, was happy.

    Women love being emotional and making hyperbolic claims. Men usually suffer in silence and are more likely to have an actually hopeless situation.

    Additionally: What the f*ck is wrong with a bitch who claims her PMS is so bad she's suicidal? Fu*king self-indulgent whiner. With all the horrible crap people live with and we have women claiming that having periods is like climbing Everest whilst enduring a medieval torture session. Its a period and our species wouldn't exist if it was 10% of what they claim.

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    Re: Happened to me: lesbian trying to play a straight girl

    Kru-Kut has offered excellent advice. I find there's peace and humor in accepting that there's a whole lot of crazy out there, in varying degrees, up to the level of "insanity". In many people it's something like multiple personality disorder. Who you see day to day isn't even the same person. This is how they can be so up, down, left, right, sideways, with no consistency. What they presented or agreed to a day (or 10 minutes)ago is forgotten. And if you expect consistent responses, you're going to get burned, or confused at the least. It's never going to make rational sense.

    And I've experienced the "come-on" from a lesbian. It was an acquaintance who was just out of an LTR with a woman, so she starts fishing around for new caretakers. The net can be wider if men are included. All of a sudden she wants to become "closer" and even says she's thinking about "switching teams". It was a new and weird experience, so I played along for awhile, but drew the line at investing significant money or time. So of course she moved onto to dumber targets. Currently she has a male roped into spending entire days helping her move and otherwise manage her nutty life.

    This is my first post here after reading for awhile, and have been "going my own way" for decades. Many trials described here I've been through before, thus the screen name.


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