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    Gynocracy - Where and When Does It End?

    I think most people on this forum would agree that we live in a gynocentric society. I realise a lot of us are from different countries, but gynocentrism is a common situation across the world in 2020.

    This raises two big questions, where will this end, and when will this end?

    There's a couple premises required to ponder such questions:

    (1) Gynocentrism is unsustainable. Female nature unleashed and influencing law results in:
    (1a) Women spend so much time riding the carousel and interactions between men and women being so risky that birth rate plummets. A gynocentric society cannot sustain itself.
    (1b) Punishment of men choosing high AV lifestyles; punishment by no sex, shaming and worse. Men trying to achieve high AV is what makes societies great, regardless of why they're doing it. Men being actually smart, actually strong, actually brave etc can result in great things for a society.
    (1c) An increasing proportion of society is raised by single mothers. Children raised by single mothers are disproportionally more likely to be involved in crime and have emotional problems *,**. This causes effects for society.
    (2) The combined effects of (1) will eventually result in either a societal collapse, or a shift to a non-gynocentric model of society.

    Side note, there are theories suggesting that gynocentrism is a common symptom of dying societies: John Bagot Glubb's "Fate of Empires"*** states:

    "An increase in the influence of women in public life has often been associated with national decline"
    That's a big topic though so I won't go into it more here.

    In my opinion,

    (1) I believe gynocentrism will destroy Western society, the precise form is harder to predict but the current situation is unsustainable,due to points 1a, b and c. There will be change to a new model and the switch will be so severe as to mark a collapse of society. It will not be a change, it will be ending one society and starting another. This will of course happen at different times and in different ways in different countries.
    (2) I'm really unsure when this will happen. I used to think it was imminent (20 years or so) but looking at other dying societies, they can struggle on for decades or even centuries.

    What do others think?


    *Some sources:

    https://digitalcommons.olivet.edu/cg...ntext=edd_diss
    https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publicatio...aspx?id=167327
    Effects of Fatherless Families on Crime Rates [Marripedia]

    A lot of these publications attempt to squirm out of acknowledging that fathers are needed; instead pointing out to correlation between high crime and poverty during childhood, then claiming that the real issue is the lack of money for single mother families. Regardless of whether this is true, its irrelevant; no father means more likely bad children means bad society. Notably, boys raised by single mothers are more likely to become violent criminals, particularly on the extreme end (rapists and murderers).

    **I'm not judging anyone from such a family. I was raised by a single mother and I believe many other MGTOW are as well.

    ***http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf

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    Re: Gynocracy - Where and When Does It End?

    Gynocentrism suffers a daily death in my life. Just today on my way to pick up a free tank of CO2 from a "man" cleaning out his garage, and on my way there going through the city, a "man" was panhandling for money, another "man" (myself) threw him a buck, and it was then I realize I never see women so down on their luck that they panhandle in the street, and that was my MGTOW daily observation and gynocentrism was nowhere to be found, only pussy worshipers live in that realm to feed toxic narcissistic gynocentrism. A woman that thinks outside herself is a rare and endangered species.
    Are the laws and order within your society a bit unreasonable, counterproductive, and even hazardous? That's the mark of feminism diligently at work in your society. Need relief? MGTOW is the only ejection seat available to men facing this live systematic crash and burn scenario.

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    Re: Gynocracy - Where and When Does It End?

    Sir, I can assure you, there will be no collapse. Women are, have been and always will be the controlling levers of society. Gynocentrism isn't something that developed or invented, it was there from the very beginning.

    The person who has a say over sex and procreation is the person that wins. It manifests on different levels, degrees. Of course, you could say Canada is a more gynocentric country than Saudi Arabia; but Saudi is gynocentric in its' own way. My family have basically cut off contact with me until I "choose" to get married. I am basically an outcast in my own land.

    Western societies, will not collapse, because they have endless innovation and White Men in particular are intelligent and innovative. More innovation, equals more wealth and prosperity (which ends up in the hands of women anyway).

    Don't look too far for evidence. This virus has basically cost the world around $20 Trillion, so far. Do you see any women begging on the streets? Any women calling you up just to say hello? Any woman changing her views about who she opens up her legs to?

    It WILL NOT CHANGE, never, it will only wax and wane like the moon, but it will still exist.

    What may happen is that women will have a less privileged position if they keep on biting off the hands that feed them; but it will NOT result in anything like a "collapse".

    The way I see it, is that men simply need to become a part of the gynocracy. For example, pretend to be gay, make a fuss about every little injustice, become politically active, don't put any effort in helping women or those who don't benefit you.

    Politicise your identity, make every interaction TRANSACTIONAL.

    These are the skills that women optimise and men are in dire need of learning the skills.

    Why do you think life keeps moving? Men keep working until they die? Men keep sacrificing their health for their "families" and "community"? It is ALL TO DO WITH THE SEXUAL INSTINCT.

    And it is not even sex in reality, but the promise of sex. Most men work hard to impress and end up with nothing; you are used and discarded like a "tool".

    I have said it before, the average man, is a "tool", a "doing" being. A man is defined by what he can "do"; his productive capacities. A woman, is a "being" being. A woman is valued for simply "being" a woman and nothing more. The exception to this would be ugly women; but there are less and less ugly woman because the opportunities fitness, makeup and fashion offer them now means any ugly woman can become relatively good looking.

    Couple that with men, in particular white knights and blue pillers steering the ships in most countries, you will get more of the same.

    It's a shame that gender relations have become like this, but not much else can be done, as far as I can see.

    What you say about single mothers, absent fathers is accurate enough and studies have proved this phenomena.
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    Re: Gynocracy - Where and When Does It End?

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    Sir, I can assure you, there will be no collapse. Women are, have been and always will be the controlling levers of society. Gynocentrism isn't something that developed or invented, it was there from the very beginning.

    The person who has a say over sex and procreation is the person that wins. It manifests on different levels, degrees. Of course, you could say Canada is a more gynocentric country than Saudi Arabia; but Saudi is gynocentric in its' own way. My family have basically cut off contact with me until I "choose" to get married. I am basically an outcast in my own land.

    Western societies, will not collapse, because they have endless innovation and White Men in particular are intelligent and innovative. More innovation, equals more wealth and prosperity (which ends up in the hands of women anyway).

    Don't look too far for evidence. This virus has basically cost the world around $20 Trillion, so far. Do you see any women beginning on the streets? Any women even calling you up just to say hello? Any woman changing her views about who she opens up her legs to?

    It WILL NOT CHANGE, never, it will only wax and wane like the moon, but it will still exist.

    What may happen is that women will have a less privileged position if they keep on biting off the hands that feed them; but it will to result to anything near a "collapse".

    The way I see it, is that men simply need to become a part of the gynocracy. For example, pretend to be gay, make a fuss about every little injustice, become politically active, don't put any effort in helping women or those who don't benefit you.

    Politicise your identity, make every interaction TRANSACTIONAL.

    These are the skills that women optimise and men are in dire need of learning the skills.

    Why do you think life keeps moving? men keep working until they die? men keep sacrificing their health for their "families" and "community"? It is ALL TO DO WITH THE SEXUAL INSTINCT.

    And it is not even sex in reality, but the promise of sex. Most men work hard to impress and end up with nothing; you are used and discarded like a "tool".

    I have said it before, the average man, is a "tool", a "doing" being. A man is defined by what he can "do"; his productive capacities. A woman, is a "being" being. A woman is valued for simply "being" a woman and nothing more. The exception to this would be ugly women; but there are less and less ugly woman because the opportunities fitness, makeup and fashion offer them now means any ugly woman can become relatively good looking.

    Couple that with men, in particular white knights and blue pillers steering the ships in most countries, you will get more of the same.

    It's a shame that gender relations have become like this, but not much else can be done, as far as I can see.

    What you say about single mothers, absent fathers is accurate enough and studies have proved this phenomena.
    What you say its correct yet it doesnt consider a third factor which is immigration.

    As you said white men are brilliant and hard working, others are less (if you are european and see data you know what Im talking about) therefore with the birthrate collapsing and society morphing so will the economical engine.

    Also its the people to make the country and not the other way around therefore if a country runs out of natives, slowly but surely it will turn into the country of the "new citizens", see sweden and their spending review in terms of welfare.

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    Re: Gynocracy - Where and When Does It End?

    Thank you responders, its interesting seeing other people's thoughts.

    Responding to some points:

    (1) I don't believe women have always been in charge or even close to it. Women have always been a resource to men, whereas other men are often a threat to other men. This has given women some "special" treatment throughout history, but women have rarely led societies. In the times when nations scoured the Earth, exploring new lands, conquering new peoples and making amazing scientific breakthroughs*, women were not deciding anything. Men ruled.
    (1.1) Even looking at recent history; when I was a child, say ten years old, I would hear men make "sexist" jokes at their work. Sure there was some gynocentrism then, but nowadays cat-calling is considered a "hate-crime". In the last few decades alone, things have changed so much. Going further back, men in the Victorian period weren't worried about their wives taking their kids, homes and most of whatever else they had and leeching of their salary for the next 20 years. Or look at a different society, I've been to China multiple times. There is some gynocentrism but women there wouldn't dare treat their husbands the way they do here. You just don't see men being constantly nagged and shit-tested. Women obey their husbands and almost all leaders are men**.
    (2) Gynocentrism does ebb and bulge, but when it gets too strong it inevitably collapses a society. Like Marxism, it is unsustainable for two reasons (that are kind of one reason):
    (2.1) Gynocentrism/feminism/etc believes that men and women are equally competent. This is untrue, and societies based on unworkable falsehoods inevitably collapse***.
    (2.2) Women have consumer mentalities, they always want more and are never satisfied. They will always vote for more from Daddy government. More privilege in courts, more benefits, ad nauseum. The trouble is, eventually the money runs out. Eventually men, no matter how cucked they are, simply cannot produce as much as women demand because they're not given the tools to do so. Men will not be able to develop amazing new automation technologies or other sources of cheap resources when they are never allowed to make decisions or busy fighting of a false allegation because they "eye-raped" a woman. When the board of directors is 50% women (lets be honest, it'll be more. "Equal representation" only means that until they have it, then they want more) who spend their time wondering who to make a false allegation about next, it will not be possible to advance robotics, machine learning code or do anything to give humanity more for less.

    For me, the best analogy is that women are children. If you put them in charge, what do you get? No homework, candy for dinner, and bedtime is whenever they want. For this reason alone I do not believe that what we see now is standard (as there would be no civilisation, at least not on the scale there is), and I also believe that a collapse is inevitable. A point will come where the cucked men simply cannot do enough to prop up this sh*tshow any longer.

    There's a possibility this will lead to unscrupolous people, both male and female, using women as useful idiots to plunge western societies into some sort of dystopia, and keeping just enough functionality to keep society ticking over. I cannot see any result other than this or collapse however.

    I'd love to hear more thoughts, though I appreciate this may be somewhat beating a dead horse for a lot of MGTOW.

    *Side note, I think its been a good 50 years since a major scientific breakthrough, something that pushes humanity forward. Computers are faster now but that's not a game changer for a civilisation. To clarify, something like energy-positive fusion power would count as a major scientific breakthrough in my opinion, whereas say video-conferencing does not.
    **This is nothing to do with Chinese women being different, its their society. Women behaving like spoilt children has consequences there.
    ***A society can believe nonsense. The Romans thought Jupiter (roman equivalent of Zeus) ruled from Mount Olympus. Thing was, this didn't really affect things much day by day. Thinking that most high paid engineers being male is "misogyny" and must be corrected does affect things day by day.

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    Re: Gynocracy - Where and When Does It End?

    I believe it is in it's dying days to be honest and it's because women themselves aren't happy. A lot of women have realized they aren't happy having to work and be single mothers, that having a husbank would be so much more convenient. I think that these women have also worked out that Feminism was only ever about a small elite group of women getting what they want. The original Suffragettes were wealthy women who only wanted the vote for wealthy women while they used the poor women to protest and get arrested.

    Your average woman doesn't care if women get play football or get to be CEO's. I think they can also see how much society and the family unit have eroded over the past 4 or 5 decades.

    That said they will have big problems because a lot of men have moved on from wanting to raise families and the divorce laws never change and even at the height of feminism, the whole dating rules never changed either. Women simply have far too much power and privilege when it comes to marriage and dating to even bother taking the risk.

    Until women are faced to accept the consequences of their actions it is a lost cause. A good example of this is the whole Equal Pay discussion. Women get paid the same as men for doing the same jobs. But they argue that women (in Australia, anyway) end up with less Superannuation at retirement. Why is that though? Women work less than men do. Simple as that, they take time off for study, travel, child rearing. This in turn means that they don't have as much money going into their Super as men do. Over time this results in less money.

    Go figure! But of course, the world must be blamed and accommodations must be made because women are in peril!

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    Re: Gynocracy - Where and When Does It End?

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    .....and on my way there going through the city, a "man" was panhandling for money, another "man" (myself) threw him a buck, and it was then I realize I never see women so down on their luck that they panhandle in the street, .....
    I see 2-3 when I go on my local walks.
    An escort is a woman you occasionally financially support only when she has sex with you.

    A date is a woman you occasionally financially support in the hope she will have sex with you.

    A wife is a woman you constantly financially support even when she is not having sex with you.

    An ex-wife is a woman you constantly financially support with alimony so she can have sex......with someone else.

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    Re: Gynocracy - Where and When Does It End?

    What you say its correct yet it doesnt consider a third factor which is immigration.
    I don't quite understand. Are you saying that Gynocentrism increases with immigration?

    As you said white men are brilliant and hard working, others are less (if you are european and see data you know what Im talking about) therefore with the birthrate collapsing and society morphing so will the economical engine.
    I never said White Men were brilliant, but looking at recent history, you could make the argument that European continent has provided more inventions than any other continent.

    I see ''White Men'' as both part of the solution and the problem of the "Gynocracy".

    Although many people want to live in democratic European, North American countries, because of the technological advancements and trustworthiness of institutions (political, educational), so called "White Men" also backed, supported and funded all the gynocentrism we are seeing here and now.

    I'll give you a trivial example. If you are falsely accused of rape, I would bet that if a jury had more women, and more ethnic minorities, they would be more distrustful of a woman's accusation. If the jury has more "White Men"; then they are likely to believe a woman over a man.

    I think the slogan "patriarchy also hurts men" is true enough! Unfortunately feminists don't always practice what they preach.
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    Re: Gynocracy - Where and When Does It End?

    Interesting post sir, but I would like to make some comments and counter arguments:

    (1) I don't believe women have always been in charge or even close to it. Women have always been a resource to men, whereas other men are often a threat to other men. This has given women some "special" treatment throughout history, but women have rarely led societies. In the times when nations scoured the Earth, exploring new lands, conquering new peoples and making amazing scientific breakthroughs*, women were not deciding anything. Men ruled.
    I would say this is a very inconsistent statement with history. Women do have huge social influence, economical power (in Japan, for example, they receive their husbands salary and give him a small pocket money, weekly). Women were obviously not a part of the workforce, but they wield a huge influence in the "background".

    The conquering of other lands and tribes is done to satisfy the female desire for a strong and resourceful man. Men only engage in wars because they are kept horny and hungry by women. Therefore, in this case, the sexual instinct is actually the motivating, the driving factor.

    (1.1) Even looking at recent history; when I was a child, say ten years old, I would hear men make "sexist" jokes at their work. Sure there was some gynocentrism then, but nowadays cat-calling is considered a "hate-crime". In the last few decades alone, things have changed so much. Going further back, men in the Victorian period weren't worried about their wives taking their kids, homes and most of whatever else they had and leeching of their salary for the next 20 years. Or look at a different society, I've been to China multiple times. There is some gynocentrism but women there wouldn't dare treat their husbands the way they do here. You just don't see men being constantly nagged and shit-tested. Women obey their husbands and almost all leaders are men**.
    I have both lived, and worked in China, and know the culture well. I can assure you that Gynocentrism will arrive there sooner rather than later. It will only be a matter of time before cat calling is also considered a crime. If you look at things from a longer timeline, you'll see the changes happening. Women only obey the husbands if he is very very rich, otherwise you will be ridiculed and insulted at each and every occasion.

    When I was working in China, Chinese wives constantly dick measured me against their husbands. I even overheard wives say "look he's a rich and hardworking man, why can't you be like him!?"

    Don't get me started on Chinese women, no disrespect but some of them are an absolute nightmare.

    No country will be immune from the changes, in my area of Saudi Arabia, I have seen mothers lobby the government to teach boys that girls are special and need to be looked after, also that boys should be taught to sit down and pee. They are trying to indoctrinate them early on in the nurseries and kindergartens. Again, only a matter of time before these changes happen.

    (2.2) Women have consumer mentalities, they always want more and are never satisfied. They will always vote for more from Daddy government. More privilege in courts, more benefits, ad nauseum. The trouble is, eventually the money runs out. Eventually men, no matter how cucked they are, simply cannot produce as much as women demand because they're not given the tools to do so. Men will not be able to develop amazing new automation technologies or other sources of cheap resources when they are never allowed to make decisions or busy fighting of a false allegation because they "eye-raped" a woman. When the board of directors is 50% women (lets be honest, it'll be more. "Equal representation" only means that until they have it, then they want more) who spend their time wondering who to make a false allegation about next, it will not be possible to advance robotics, machine learning code or do anything to give humanity more for less.
    The money will never run out. This is again, a big mistake I see people making. .Gov will always have contingency plans to protect the "most vulnerable" and in the case of western societies, women are always the most vulnerable.

    Women will not allow robotics or machine learning to advance to the level where they sexuality becomes useless. They are already working hard to stop the sales of sex robots. I am no fan of sex robots, and have absolutely no interest in making a purchase; but it is a good example to highlight how women "strategise".

    For me, the best analogy is that women are children. If you put them in charge, what do you get? No homework, candy for dinner, and bedtime is whenever they want. For this reason alone I do not believe that what we see now is standard (as there would be no civilisation, at least not on the scale there is), and I also believe that a collapse is inevitable. A point will come where the cucked men simply cannot do enough to prop up this sh*tshow any longer
    This is a very very common argument, and I think it is way off base. It is propounded by the likes of Turd Flingin Monkey and other so called MGTOW's.

    I can assure you sir, that if you think women are "children" that is precisely the point at which women control you. Women are highly intelligent, highly manipulative and shrewd creatures. They fool you into thinking you have power over them, or that you are more intelligent than they are, or that they are somehow incapacitated, but all these are good ways for them extract maximum resources from you.

    That is why you should never think of women as children; always treat them as adults, always. Hold them accountable for every single little thing, and see how much that pisses them off.

    And regarding "cucked" men. We are all cucked. If you work and pay taxes you are a cuck. If you have a relationship of any kind with any women, including relationships which are not romantic e.g a boy and his mother or a boy and his sister; you are a cuck.

    Society has been engineered to cuck the ''average'' man. A cuck is not only some guy who watches his wife fuck another man; that is only one type of cuck.
    A mother cannot raise a boy to be a man, not because he needs a father figure; but because she favours team vagina over her own son.

    Tradcon women are the most manipulative of all kinds of women, because they infect you with false hope.
    Radfems are your best friend, because they hate you and verbalise it - that's honesty!

    The red pill rage is a process which takes many many years - so be kind and patient with yourself; you will overcome it!

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    Re: Gynocracy - Where and When Does It End?

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    I don't quite understand. Are you saying that Gynocentrism increases with immigration?


    The other way around, feminism leads to more immigration for two reasons.

    The first one is a lower natality which requires a certain amount of immigrants (not as many as they tell us).

    The second one is that men are more conservative and keeps immigration at the minimum point while filtering very hard those who are allowed..women filter too but in senseless emotion driven ways.


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