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    Re: Geeks + Gamers and G4 Drama

    I can see responding to the hecklers and trolls in the press or in an interview but to waste time doing it over the air is low class. The trolls won and the presenter comes off as whiny. Even worse it takes away from the content that the viewers tuned in for. It is a quick way to send your fans elsewhere.

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    Re: Geeks + Gamers and G4 Drama

    The old man dyke whining about sexism is hilarious. She's bitching and moaning that people who watch a show for a particular presenter, are all sexist because when she reads the script

    I watch(ed) Top Gear, the UK version, with Jeremy, Richard, and James. The American version was populated entirely with morons and watched half an episode and never watched again. I didn't not watch it because I hate Americans, I didn't watch it because I wanted to see particular presenters. Babbling the same nonsense facts about a car is not why I watch(ed) the show. Brake horsepower is only so interesting.

    Same with his old man tranny. She thinks people are sexist. Because she couldn't possibly be the problem, which makes sense because old man dykes are incapable of not thinking collectively because they're all intersectional collectivists.

    I'm betting a lot of viewers don't want to watch an old man-hating tranny dyke activist hating on them.

    And hatred is all these people have.

    So I don't watch G4, since I hate activists and other low IQ people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WXA View Post
    Anyway, apparently in one of the episodes of G4, the woman on the show went into a huge speech where she went off on at least some of their viewers. From what I could tell, it appeared that she thought that she was getting more criticism from viewers because of being a woman, and it also sounded like she thought that the viewers were treating both past and present female hosts improperly. The guys on the show supportively cheered her on.
    My interest in gaming has faded a lot, but I have tuned into the G4 relaunch, because I used to watch it 20 years ago (I enjoyed X-Play). A few observations...

    1. Adam Sessler is a liberal progressive -- very woke. In the past, he has railed against gamers in his audience, blasting them for being Nazis and whatever else. He created a lot of ill will by doing that, basically wrecked his reputation. He is the senior "talent" on G4, and I suspect his own attitudes have partially set the tone for what you're describing -- a female host whining about sexism. You'll hear him drop occasional wokeisms in his reviews, which are annoying.

    2. The new G4 hosts are notable for their "diversity."

    3. One of the new female hosts, Frosk, looks progressive, feminist, and/or LGBTQ. I can see the complaint coming from her.

    Yeah, I just looked up "G4 hosts" for an image, and I see that she was the one complaining.



    She's the one in the middle. She looks fairly subdued there, but if you watch her G4 content, you'll see a more "progressive" or lesbian version on display. I'm not surprised that she is the one complaining.

    That's not to say she's wrong. Maybe the comments were harsh and sexist. That wouldn't surprise me, either. Gamers can be shitheads, and a lot of guys in the G4 audience are embarrassingly enamored with the female hosts -- Morgan Webb and Olivia Nunn in the past. Both of those ladies appealed to the horny teens/20s male gamer demographic. The slathering, drooling attention they got was very similar to what you see with popular Instagram or Only Fans models today.

    From reading just the headline, I think the G4 gamers were complaining that she's not as attractive ("bangable") as Morgan Webb or Olivia Nunn. Which is absolutely true. That's the sexism she's complaining about. Fair enough. I'm sure it sucks to be on the receiving end of those comments. But fact is, she's not one-tenth as attractive as previous female hosts (except to male feminists and lesbians). And this is the dopey/horny G4 crowd, so they'll continue to point that out.
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    Re: Geeks + Gamers and G4 Drama

    Olivia Munn was really cool, she had a cheerful and relaxed demeanour which got viewers to tune-in. Froskurinn is very much the opposite.

    I don't know who made this video, however its a brilliant, humorous poke at what could happen when the host screams 'if you don't like it, don't watch it!" - viewers turn off and go on to do other things:

    https://twitter.com/loftipixels/stat...75267994095623

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    Re: Geeks + Gamers and G4 Drama

    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Haskell View Post

    3. One of the new female hosts, Frosk, looks progressive, feminist, and/or LGBTQ. I can see the complaint coming from her.

    Yeah, I just looked up "G4 hosts" for an image, and I see that she was the one complaining.


    She's the one in the middle. She looks fairly subdued there, but if you watch her G4 content, you'll see a more "progressive" or lesbian version on display. I'm not surprised that she is the one complaining.
    Yeah, well, not surprising. She's got a neck tat and a bigger dick than the cuck mouth next to her.
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    Re: Geeks + Gamers and G4 Drama

    I've watched a few videos about the "controversy" now, so I'm better informed, not just speculating.

    Frost made these mistakes, imo:

    1. She got trolled by some Youtube comments. The vast, vast majority of comments about her are positive (or were, anyway, before this). So she got hung up on a small percentage of negative comments. Why? Well, partly because she's a thin-skinned feminist (is there any other kind?).

    2. She reacted emotionally, on air, to those comments. That was dumb. You don't feed the trolls. When you react, they win. Reacting emotionally makes you look weak. It lets the trolls know they got to you. She thinks she's punishing them, but she's reinforcing them.

    3. She stared into the camera and lectured the audience -- that is, the entire G4 viewership, 99.9% of whom had not made the comment. She didn't say, "Look, I know this is just a small, tiny fraction of people, and most people have been tremendously supportive, and I'm really grateful." No, she just scolded the audience for their sexism. That's really stupid. Why are you blasting your audience for the actions of a tiny minority?

    4. People don't want politics injected into their gaming. They want to hear about games and have fun. That was the spirit of the old G4. This was socio-political whining. It felt like "call out" culture. It felt like a twitter exchange. There was nothing fun or game-related about it.


    They've lost a few thousand subscribers over it, which isn't a big deal for a channel with 500k subs, but it doesn't help. With all their employees and overhead, they need to be concerned with expanding their audience, not running it off with political lectures.

    Oh, and while watching the vids about the controversy, I was exposed to Sessler's disgusting texts about Republicans. He said, among other things, that Republicans are Nazis and they drink piss. He also said -- and get this -- that he hoped that members of his own family who were Republicans would die. Imagine wishing death to members of your family, just because they don't vote the way you want them to. Fucking sick.

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    Yeah, I really like their channels (G&G, RP Outpost, Nerdrotic and the Critical Drinker). They fully RP-ed me regarding the Clown World in entertainment.
    Regarding marriage and relationships with women, they are (still) fully BP and I've heard them fulminating against MGTOW once or twice. But they're saying the same thing for the other 99% as we are doing here. I'm not being "oversensitive" about their POV regarding MGTOW. IMO it's fine to disagree. Though sometimes I find their simping towards Gina Carano is getting cringe.

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    Re: Geeks + Gamers and G4 Drama

    Quote Originally Posted by WXA View Post
    I've thought about the whole G4 Network thing some more, too.

    To be honest with you, I think the whole thing isn't so much some massive failure as another sign of the times in which everyone lives these days.

    Geeks and Gamers is playing it up (in my opinion) as if it's some huge mistake. But now I think that maybe G4 is just fine with being the gamer network FOR DEMOCRATS (or those who aren't offended by pro-Democrat opinions, anyway).
    I agree that it's a sign of the times.

    I don't see it as a failure, much less a "massive failure." I see it as a mistake.

    But even then, whether it's a "mistake" or not depends on your goal. If your goal to make a political statement, to score political points, and to brand yourself as SJW-friendly, then it's not a mistake at all. It's a smart move. However, if your goal is to cultivate the broadest possible audience, then it's a mistake.

    I think the "controversy" has been exaggerated in importance, though, like most social media uproars. It's an indication of where G4 is at, rather than some harbinger of doom. 95% of G4's audience probably has no idea this "controversy" ever happened, nor do they care. They'll continue to tune in regardless. It's a tempest in a teapot, in other words.
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    Re: Geeks + Gamers and G4 Drama

    When they made the Ghostbuster's 2016 all female movie they started with a pre bombardment campaign. "People won't like it because it's female/if they don't like it, they're sexist" etc etc etc This was coming from the stars as well as the male director.

    Just like Ghostbuster's, computer games have a majority male audience. If you put your audience offside you're doomed. Same is happening with comic books going Woke. Even the Woke CW network is up for sale now because their Woke TV shows don't rate well.

    Know your audience. Don't upset them. Pretty simple. For a female in the Gaming world it would be super easy too. The guys would just go nuts over having a female talk about the games. Simple. Easy. Yet they can't help themselves it seems.

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    I've been gaming since 2000 and never even heard of G4, I assume normal gamer's spend their time playing games, not watching TV or in this case YT video's that spawn 20-1 hour plus about them, far more entertaining content to be watched, mainstream media completely fails in that regard with this being no exception, who in the right mind would be even be surprised by this turn of events.
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    All I saw was some bitter, man-hating lesbian go ham on the channel's audience for finding Olivia Munn attractive.

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    Re: Geeks + Gamers and G4 Drama

    When my computer broke for a year G4 was good for some tech stories including CES & E3 trade shows. I question whether female actresses could write the scripts on their own. Nerdist Chris Hardwick was fired for "forbidding (gf) from speaking in public, going out at night or having male friends outside of her work."

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    Re: Geeks + Gamers and G4 Drama

    Quote Originally Posted by Scifi View Post
    When my computer broke for a year G4 was good for some tech stories including CES & E3 trade shows. I question whether female actresses could write the scripts on their own. Nerdist Chris Hardwick was fired for "forbidding (gf) from speaking in public, going out at night or having male friends outside of her work."
    Pretty much all of which turned out to be lies and a smear campaign. I don't recall hearing an apology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustWannaRetireFk View Post
    I've been gaming since 2000 and never even heard of G4, I assume normal gamer's spend their time playing games, not watching TV or in this case YT video's that spawn 20-1 hour plus about them...
    Well, some people like to participate in the hobby by discussing it, reading about it, or watching other people talk about it. They don't just play games; they also participate on game forums, read gaming magazines, or watch gaming-related shows. Granted, some people just play games, and that's all they do, but a lot of people, especially core gamers, will also watch, read, discuss. It's like any other hobby that way. [I do agree that watching long streams filled with random discussion is a waste of time, though. I don't know why people do that. They must have nothing better to do.]

    Part of G4's appeal was that, back around 2000, it was one of the very few TV shows that talked about games. I think there was Electronic Playground and Tech TV as well, but that was it. Speaking as someone who watched those shows 20 years ago, it was a kick to see gaming represented on TV. It's hard to appreciate the uniqueness of that now, with thousands of Youtube channels devoted to it.

    That's part of what they're trying to capitalize on, btw -- the nostalgia factor within the original G4 audience. They are running into trouble, though, because the environment is so different. There are thousands of competitors, many of whom are doing a much better job of it, without the political overtones.


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