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    How many friends do you have?

    We all know the blue pill world puts great emphasis on friends, which is probably more about social approval and popularity.

    The older I get, the fewer people I am able to maintain friendships with. This is especially true since MGTOW and even this Covid scam.

    As of now, I have

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    1 single, lives at home

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    1 artist

    Of all these I only see the cycling buddy fairly often. The artist a couple times a year. The guys once a year.

    I enjoy the time with guys less and less, because they are so blue pilled. In fact I can't stand their blue pilled mindsets, it colours my entire perception of their character. It's like I can't forgive an intelligent man for being blue pilled at our age. What's funny is the two chicks seem more red-pilled or at least open to my ideas.

    So basically I have no or hardly any friends. And I'm fine with that. I have known many people and had many friends, but I always move on. I just like to do my own thing, and if you can help with that or I can share that with you, then cool. Otherwise there's little point to associate. I am definitely a lone wolf type.

    I don't deal with family much either, for they are mostly one or all of the following: stupid; malicious; boring. There are a few that are nice people, but it's not like we're going to be chatting a lot. Very few people share and understand my views. I would say this is quite important for close friendships.

    Going deeper I think it is about truth. I can't abide anyone that lies, or isn't genuinely interested in the truth. You might be sceptical but the two chicks I associate with are very much atypical in this sense. Their knowledge is limited compared to mine but I teach them things and they appreciate. They are very open to learning more.

    It's almost like that is my role in life... to teach people the truth and move on when they are closed to it.

    Obviously in society's eyes I'm a loser. Well, I say that's society's attempt to pathologise my type because we are a threat to their bullshit. It's like we have x-ray vision and they know it. But they have literally brainwashed people into thinking there is 'something terribly wrong' with us. Just because we reject their lies.

    I guess society would say I have mild asperger's. Meh. Another BS label to sell you drugs to steal your money and keep you sick.

    Shared views, interests, humour? I would say I get something more resembling friendship on this website than I do anywhere else.
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    Re: How many friends do you have?

    You should try to get your cycling buddy to ride your seat post, I know I would, it's mutually beneficial sexorcise!
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    Re: How many friends do you have?

    To be honest who can you call a real friend in this day and age? I can count on one hand people I would trust my life with. I have many ''associates'' or people who would appear-like friends but I do not trust. If I have any interaction with a female its mutually for my benefit and my benefit alone. Like many men learn the hard way; men are always giving more value than recieving from women. So now I give 0%.

    I find a lot more companionship with MGTOW bros. For one a lot of mgtows do not swarm around a new girl at work like most people do. I do not respect anyone who just voluntarily gives their power away for a new female. How could you trust someone like that. I am noticing a lot more MGTOW guys at work now. Our philosophy is starting to take off.

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    Re: How many friends do you have?

    Quote Originally Posted by ShogunRonin View Post
    To be honest who can you call a real friend in this day and age? I can count on one hand people I would trust my life with. I have many ''associates'' or people who would appear-like friends but I do not trust. If I have any interaction with a female its mutually for my benefit and my benefit alone. Like many men learn the hard way; men are always giving more value than recieving from women. So now I give 0%.

    I find a lot more companionship with MGTOW bros. For one a lot of mgtows do not swarm around a new girl at work like most people do. I do not respect anyone who just voluntarily gives their power away for a new female. How could you trust someone like that. I am noticing a lot more MGTOW guys at work now. Our philosophy is starting to take off.
    How could it not? It's like handing someone the keys that open every door to the psychological prison society has built for us! We're walking in and out of it like it's a subway turnstile! We're roaming its halls and opening all the cell doors for our brothers that are confined.

    It's no wonder the warden is going bullshit crazy trying to lock us down and take away our keys! (censorship)
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    Re: How many friends do you have?

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    You should try to get your cycling buddy to ride your seat post, I know I would, it's mutually beneficial sexorcise!
    Shit... Coffee in the keyboard again...

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    Re: How many friends do you have?

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    We all know the blue pill world puts great emphasis on friends, which is probably more about social approval and popularity.

    The older I get, the fewer people I am able to maintain friendships with. This is especially true since MGTOW and even this Covid scam.

    As of now, I have

    Male
    1 married, firmly on plantation
    1 single, lives at home

    Female
    1 cycling buddy
    1 artist

    Of all these I only see the cycling buddy fairly often. The artist a couple times a year. The guys once a year.

    I enjoy the time with guys less and less, because they are so blue pilled. In fact I can't stand their blue pilled mindsets, it colours my entire perception of their character. It's like I can't forgive an intelligent man for being blue pilled at our age. What's funny is the two chicks seem more red-pilled or at least open to my ideas.

    So basically I have no or hardly any friends. And I'm fine with that. I have known many people and had many friends, but I always move on. I just like to do my own thing, and if you can help with that or I can share that with you, then cool. Otherwise there's little point to associate. I am definitely a lone wolf type.

    I don't deal with family much either, for they are mostly one or all of the following: stupid; malicious; boring. There are a few that are nice people, but it's not like we're going to be chatting a lot. Very few people share and understand my views. I would say this is quite important for close friendships.

    Going deeper I think it is about truth. I can't abide anyone that lies, or isn't genuinely interested in the truth. You might be sceptical but the two chicks I associate with are very much atypical in this sense. Their knowledge is limited compared to mine but I teach them things and they appreciate. They are very open to learning more.

    It's almost like that is my role in life... to teach people the truth and move on when they are closed to it.

    Obviously in society's eyes I'm a loser. Well, I say that's society's attempt to pathologise my type because we are a threat to their bullshit. It's like we have x-ray vision and they know it. But they have literally brainwashed people into thinking there is 'something terribly wrong' with us. Just because we reject their lies.

    I guess society would say I have mild asperger's. Meh. Another BS label to sell you drugs to steal your money and keep you sick.

    Shared views, interests, humour? I would say I get something more resembling friendship on this website than I do anywhere else.
    My situation pretty much lines up with yours except for a few details, and I've never been happier than I am right now. Freedom is a heady experience, once experienced for real. Sometimes you don't realize how chain-bound you've been until the chains fall off. I could never go back to the old way.

    BTW, OT, "Covid scam" is precisely what it is.

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    Re: How many friends do you have?

    To be honest who can you call a real friend in this day and age?
    Virtually no one. The only thing that comes close is me trusting them near 100%, to be honest and to have me best interests at heart. A very small coterie of people would not throw you under the bus if it benefitted them.

    A girl once mentioned that I didn't seem to have any long-term friends (like from childhood). I said well I've moved about and grown. And what was it you were bitching about your besties recently... That seems insane to me. To stay friends with someone your whole life when you don't even like them. Just more fakery that I can't stand.

    I'd rather be the man with no name. Or Josey Wales. And let society be very pissed off about it.
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    Re: How many friends do you have?

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post


    Virtually no one. The only thing that comes close is me trusting them near 100%, to be honest and to have me best interests at heart. A very small coterie of people would not throw you under the bus if it benefitted them.

    A girl once mentioned that I didn't seem to have any long-term friends (like from childhood). I said well I've moved about and grown. And what was it you were bitching about your besties recently... That seems insane to me. To stay friends with someone your whole life when you don't even like them. Just more fakery that I can't stand.

    I'd rather be the man with no name. Or Josey Wales. And let society be very pissed off about it.
    It's "the outlaw" Josey Whales!
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    Re: How many friends do you have?

    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    My situation pretty much lines up with yours except for a few details, and I've never been happier than I am right now. Freedom is a heady experience, once experienced for real. Sometimes you don't realize how chain-bound you've been until the chains fall off. I could never go back to the old way.

    BTW, OT, "Covid scam" is precisely what it is.
    When you acquire the "taste" of freedom, everything else is shit!
    My open door to freedom started with world travel, being free to fly to Colorado, Utah, ski the big hills with the big big boys, went to Holland, had ski houses with snowmobiles in the Green Mtns. leave work a day or two early to hit freshies.

    It's wherever I wanted to do, wanted to go, without notice or reservation, not subject to someone else blocking the way, having a say, having expectations, friction, deflection, confusion, misdirection, and the resulting doom and gloom.

    I wish I learned MGTOW when I was 9, instead of my late 20s early 30s., I could have gotten a 20 year head start with ZERO diversions! But that's okay, I got out relatively unscathed with plenty of time to enjoy my solidarity and sovereignty as an independent man free to be one.
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    Re: How many friends do you have?

    Sounds like an awesome life. It's true the constant concessions, arguments, dealing with shit.. gets you down. It's not good for a man of vital spirit.

    I too wish I learned this stuff sooner. Like 15 years sooner. But better late than never, as they say.
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    Re: How many friends do you have?

    Only one, a guy from school days. Now a math professor, married but SUPER red pilled.

    There are others, but its more like a long lived mutually profitable business transaction than any friendship.

    And with chicks, I have a policy about interacting with them that they should be wives of my friends AND in stable marriage AND the interaction should happen where their husbands are fully aware either online (their husband in same chat group) or irl (when their husband is present). If any of that changes, then I will terminate all interactions with them, no exceptions.
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    Re: How many friends do you have?

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    You should try to get your cycling buddy to ride your seat post, I know I would, it's mutually beneficial sexorcise!
    Sexorcise? As in sex + exorcise? Yeah, get those demons out!!!
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    Re: How many friends do you have?

    Friends?

    A difficult concept.

    Before lockdown I had MANY friendly associates (20-30 +), people with whom I would interact and debate the affairs of the day with. But I never really considered them personal friends and I assume they thought the same of me.

    There are currently 3 people in my life that I consider friends for various reasons.

    First and foremost would be an older brother. We talk over the phone regularly (I moved away) and whilst he has a different view of the world to me he often raises points that make me think. I appreciate this.

    My other two ‘friends’ are male and annoy the hell out of me at times with their views, but at least we talk and debate, sometimes heatedly.

    All 3 of these I believe I could turn to if the shit hit the fan. This is my definition of friendship.

    And then there is the female. We were very, very close years ago and keep in touch occasionally (birthdays, Christmas etc.). Whilst I would happily take her in to my home tomorrow if that was what she needed I don’t think she would happily do the same for me. She MIGHT do it but she wouldn’t be happy about it. So, I have to ask myself ‘Is she truly a friend?’. I’ve known her for about 40 years.

    Women know jack shit about friendship.
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    Re: How many friends do you have?

    I hope HB is on the level, questions like this make me think he is a sociologist studying MGTOW. Because its a silly question, as 'friends' is very subjective. I know one person on Facebook with a 1000 friends, yet could only raise $25 in a month for a good cause GOFUNDME

    OK, I will play along. I will define 'friend' as someone I will spend social time outside of a common interest. My tennis group is 24 people, only two I spend social time with. I play golf with a dozen or so guys, again only two I socialize with. Lots of friends at Church, only 3 I see outside of church functions. Other that those, I have 2 wingmen that I plan vacations with to 3rd world countries. We are friends by circumstance, because we party and need someone watching our backs. Since Covid, havent socialized with any of my work colleagues. Even before Covid, it was socializing by circumstance because we all were at the same conference or something. But I do consider several my friend

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    Re: How many friends do you have?

    I worded the title as such to attract interest. I was deliberately provocative. I agree it's a subjective topic, I was keen to see how other MGTOWs live and what we think about friendship, being MGTOW.

    For me going MGTOW was at first about going away from women but then the world at large. Later it subtly shifted - in my mind, to going towards what I want rather than going away from something I didn't. Freedom from, to Freedom to, kind of thing.

    I could not do 'lots of friends at church' now for example. I am not for one minute dissing your relationships, but the more relationships you uphold the more dishonest you have to be. This may be more in my mind though (an 'autistic' adherence to honesty). Part of my question was running that idea past other MGTOW and seeing if it's the same for them.
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    Re: How many friends do you have?

    I have several women who think they're my friend. It's necessary camouflage to fly under the radar at work and socially.


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