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    I found a Unicorn! A discussion about vetting.

    Tongue in cheek gentlemen, tongue in cheek.

    In all seriousness I spend a fair bit of energy in the AWALT camp, because truly, all women are like that. That being said, I do occasionally stumble across women that at least, seem to get it. Most of them are older, and many of them are somewhat masculine, which may explain why they think more like men. Most have been producing content long before the tradthot trend started. They are few and far between.

    That being said, what is a man who can't seem to kill his urge for female companionship supposed to do? Pay for it I suppose, but that idea will always be repulsive to some. Get a doll? That works for some, but many will be turned off by that as well.

    So if you are stuck dealing with women, what do you look for? I would say she would have to look like a tradthot but pass some sort of sincerity test. It wouldn't justify violating any of the cardinal rules of MGTOW for her. For review,
    1) Don't get married
    2) Don't cohabitate
    3) Don't get her pregnant

    Now, after all of the appropriate disclaimers have been made, I stumbled onto this content maker. She speaks about conservative to anarchist concepts, but I haven't found her pandering to the MRA crowd in any manner. I believe she is Vietnamese which would explain why she is conservative. She's had first hand experience with communism and knows why it sucks. Also, she starts and ends her videos with "Yes prease". A subtle way of demonstrating the ability to have a laugh at her own expense.

    So is she a unicorn? No way. For sure, if you put your head in any one of the three nooses above, she could change her mind at any time and hang you from the highest tree.

    Does she pass your vetting requirements? That would be the discussion I'm trying to get started. Can women be vetted at all? Is trying even worth it, or are we simply stuck trying to suppress our hard wired addictions to these creatures?

    As an aside, I often see blue-pillers criticize MGTOW with the question, "If you dislike women so much, why do you spend so much time talking about them?" To me the answer is that MGTOW forums and content providers are like Alcoholics Anonymous. We are acknowledging an addiction. We go to the support group meetings so we can all help each other stay strong in the face of continual temptation. In my own mind, I question whether my above musing is an attempt to find an excuse to "take just a little sip" or if some women can indeed be looked at as methadone treatment for heroin addiction.

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    Re: I found a Unicorn! A discussion about vetting.

    If half the population turned into despicable tyrants, can you tell me nobody would be talking about it?

    Gentlemen, thanks to the cultural Marxists that's exactly what happened!

    As men we're expected to go along with our demise? Even help enable and facilitate it?

    Let the simps and manginas do a death march to their own misery and destruction, not me, I fight for the cause of real and true liberty and freedom from tyranny!

    The thing with tyrants is they don't know they're tyrants until they're hanging from the nearest proverbial tree, and I'm just supplying the rope!

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    Re: I found a Unicorn! A discussion about vetting.

    Guys make "All Women Are Like That" a dirty term .

    All men are like that too . With the only difference that human males have a very varying social status of their own . While human females do not have their own social status other than one supported by a male that takes care/ fucks her .

    Thats why guys always say - oh i wouldnt do that , im not like that , no no no im a honest person . Because some are warrios , some are thinkers , some are salesmen, most are just naive . Their approach is different to achieving the very same thing - pussy

    While woman just wants to snag an upper scale man and have children . So they are easily lumped together .

    While a man just wants to have his own successful business , snag an upper scale woman and have children ...
    You cant keep a player down!
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    Re: I found a Unicorn! A discussion about vetting.

    The term "vetting" is used extensively in the equine world. A horseman who's interested in buying a horse will pay to have a pre-purchase exam done on the animal, i.e. have the horse "vetted," to establish its physical soundness (for riding) and general health. But here's the issue: A horse can not fake its behavior during a physical-soundness exam to fool the veterinarian and lead him into a misdiagnosis. A horse is what it is. It can not "un-lame" itself just before an evaluation.

    Humans, on the other hand, are masters of subterfuge, of masking their defects when they know someone's trying to sniff them out. This is why so many interviewers of job applicants miss little things. It's not because the interviewers blow it. It's because the applicants hid their defects. Or, more-bluntly, scammed the interviewer.

    Humans are basically a dishonest, manipulative, and despicable lot, and no one gets a pass. (If that weren't the case, then the Bible would've been the shortest book ever written; it would've ended at the close of Genesis Chapter 2 with the words "...and they lived happily ever after." Nor would there ever have been a necessity for the existence of Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, and Henry Mencken to remind us.) That fact isn't going to go away. Whether one is dealing with a man or a woman, he ignores that truth at his own peril.

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    Re: I found a Unicorn! A discussion about vetting.

    pbisque, I'm intrigued that you started this topic at this particular time. As you know I coined (I think) the term oil change dating a few years ago. I'm currently 'changing my oil' . Is she a unicorn? Ha! I doubt it, but I will be vetting her, as you put it, in the coming weeks. I'll keep you all posted as that develops.

    As for people who twist our meaning to suit their narrative? We all know that those people don't understand us and loathe us only because we reject them and their values. I can't hate women. I have a daughter and three nieces. God gave me only girls. My only son died at birth. It isn't women I hate. It's their fucked up attitude toward me after I tried to love them that makes me angry. Why the hell shouldn't I talk about it? Let a non MGTOW explain THAT to me!
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    Re: I found a Unicorn! A discussion about vetting.

    Some interesting points, PBisque. Not breaking the three cardinal rules of MGTOW is obviously very important. That said, while there are a few unicorns, they are usually already married, so why are these women still available? I am reminded of looking at used cars and wondering why did the previous owner sell it?

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    Re: I found a Unicorn! A discussion about vetting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joetech View Post
    pbisque, I'm intrigued that you started this topic at this particular time. As you know I coined (I think) the term oil change dating a few years ago. I'm currently 'changing my oil' . Is she a unicorn? Ha! I doubt it, but I will be vetting her, as you put it, in the coming weeks. I'll keep you all posted as that develops.

    As for people who twist our meaning to suit their narrative? We all know that those people don't understand us and loathe us only because we reject them and their values. I can't hate women. I have a daughter and three nieces. God gave me only girls. My only son died at birth. It isn't women I hate. It's their fucked up attitude toward me after I tried to love them that makes me angry. Why the hell shouldn't I talk about it? Let a non MGTOW explain THAT to me!
    The attitude and the fact that there is nothing you can do about that attitude without putting yourself into a major shit .

    Its like that dude in Finland that got his house robbed at gunpoint lol and when he stabbed them while they were busy going through his things lol he got like 4 years in prison and the robbers got suspended sentences
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    Re: I found a Unicorn! A discussion about vetting.

    Quote Originally Posted by ABigSiameseCat View Post
    Some interesting points, PBisque. Not breaking the three cardinal rules of MGTOW is obviously very important. That said, while there are a few unicorns, they are usually already married, so why are these women still available? I am reminded of looking at used cars and wondering why did the previous owner sell it?
    More like cars that come knocking on your door without the owner's permission and wanting a lube job!

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    Re: I found a Unicorn! A discussion about vetting.

    Quote Originally Posted by pbisque View Post
    Tongue in cheek gentlemen, tongue in cheek.


    As an aside, I often see blue-pillers criticize MGTOW with the question, "If you dislike women so much, why do you spend so much time talking about them?" To me the answer is that MGTOW forums and content providers are like Alcoholics Anonymous. We are acknowledging an addiction. We go to the support group meetings so we can all help each other stay strong in the face of continual temptation. In my own mind, I question whether my above musing is an attempt to find an excuse to "take just a little sip" or if some women can indeed be looked at as methadone treatment for heroin addiction.
    At least we know alcohol and gambling and how to avoid them. We need to stay informed for two reasons. A bottle of scotch doesn't send out a kid to rope in the stepdad, Lotto tickets are not changing the fabric of family and traditional marriage

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    Re: I found a Unicorn! A discussion about vetting.

    Let's not forget that people change. And not sometimes. All the time. Today's unicorn may well turn into tomorrow's rattlesnake. So, any evaluations done today on someone may be one hundred percent valid -- today. But down the road, all bets are off. Not may be off -- are off.

    Here's another thing I forgot to mention, though I've brought it up in other threads. The person you're dealing with today may be on behavioral meds. So, what you're interfacing with (in whatever way, at whatever time, under whatever circumstances) may not be who she really is.

    I guess what I'm trying to get around to saying is this: Why Fucking Bother. Doesn't life have enough problems and unknowns without trying to navigate its bumps with a potential powder keg walking beside you? Are the rewards really that great to warrant the risk?

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    Re: I found a Unicorn! A discussion about vetting.

    Feminism is, 100% about "Shitty bad evil things shitty bad evil white men do". All they talk about is bad men doing bad things.
    AA is about NOT drinking alcohol. But all they talk about is alcohol.
    Dieting is about NOT eating food. All they talk about is food.

    Besides,
    for MGTOW, the Red Pill rage is just the first step. It might TAKE ten years, but it's still the first step. I really feel the rage subsiding in me these days, 6+ years post divorce. (Then again, I got red-pilled hard during the marriage). Sure, I meet women here and there I can have an actual conversation with. Some even seem... alluring? Perhaps they are flirting, or just give off that vibe. But the point is, my knowledge of their nature runs through my veins right down to my bones. As Agent Smith says... "It's the smell, if there is such a thing. I feel saturated by it."

    Any and all ideas that pop into my head about women (which almost always stem from a lingering sexual interest) go this way:

    "Okay, interesting. That seems nice. Ah, but to what end? Where will this lead?"

    Seriously. Even after the first time you've fucked her, you're now into that new territory where that whole "I wonder what she's like to fuck" mystique is over and done with. Now, you might get an erection every time you think of her, but one day too, that will end. So where does it lead? Women don't want an emotional connection because it feels nice, they want it because it better enables them to manipulate a resource provider and the knowledge of having resources at arms length feels nice. And the funniest, most ironic part is that this cold parasitic and insidious nature of how they "love" is cast as the soft, gentle kind love... a GIVING love, a nurturing love. Remember: for her to nurture offspring, she first has to nurture herself.

    I ask my brothers who still have a sexual interest in women: If convenience and cost were removed from the equation, would you ever even consider fucking the same woman twice?

    Notice I am choosing to ignore the "blue pill" bile-speak about love, and friendship and companionship... these are all fantastic ideas, and nothing more. Once we know WHY women want emotional intimacy and an "open and transparent" lover (and we SURELY now know WHY) the game changes. Interestingly enough, the man is supposed to be open and communicative and emotionally connected and emoting everywhere...why she still plays the wishy washy "female mystique" game. WHY?

    Here's the game: I am going to use my vagina and feminine "charms" to get you talking while I hold my hand close to my chest.

    The base female mental algorithm is as follows:

    ME: I will not reveal information about myself that will make you leave me, or want to judge me or even hurt me.
    YOU: I want you to reveal information about YOU that will better enable me to utilize you now, and DISPOSE OF YOU the moment you protest, or become a LIABILITY.

    This is why men becoming less stoic and more emotive never works.
    This is why women are "so damned difficult" and so hard to understand and so frustrating to be around.

    It's because it's all about her.

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    - Where have all the good men gone? Away. Far far away... from you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious_Sid View Post
    Feminism is, 100% about "Shitty bad evil things shitty bad evil white men do". All they talk about is bad men doing bad things.
    AA is about NOT drinking alcohol. But all they talk about is alcohol.
    Dieting is about NOT eating food. All they talk about is food.

    Besides,
    for MGTOW, the Red Pill rage is just the first step. It might TAKE ten years, but it's still the first step. I really feel the rage subsiding in me these days, 6+ years post divorce. (Then again, I got red-pilled hard during the marriage). Sure, I meet women here and there I can have an actual conversation with. Some even seem... alluring? Perhaps they are flirting, or just give off that vibe. But the point is, my knowledge of their nature runs through my veins right down to my bones. As Agent Smith says... "It's the smell, if there is such a thing. I feel saturated by it."

    Any and all ideas that pop into my head about women (which almost always stem from a lingering sexual interest) go this way:

    "Okay, interesting. That seems nice. Ah, but to what end? Where will this lead?"

    Seriously. Even after the first time you've fucked her, you're now into that new territory where that whole "I wonder what she's like to fuck" mystique is over and done with. Now, you might get an erection every time you think of her, but one day too, that will end. So where does it lead? Women don't want an emotional connection because it feels nice, they want it because it better enables them to manipulate a resource provider and the knowledge of having resources at arms length feels nice. And the funniest, most ironic part is that this cold parasitic and insidious nature of how they "love" is cast as the soft, gentle kind love... a GIVING love, a nurturing love. Remember: for her to nurture offspring, she first has to nurture herself.

    I ask my brothers who still have a sexual interest in women: If convenience and cost were removed from the equation, would you ever even consider fucking the same woman twice?

    Notice I am choosing to ignore the "blue pill" bile-speak about love, and friendship and companionship... these are all fantastic ideas, and nothing more. Once we know WHY women want emotional intimacy and an "open and transparent" lover (and we SURELY now know WHY) the game changes. Interestingly enough, the man is supposed to be open and communicative and emotionally connected and emoting everywhere...why she still plays the wishy washy "female mystique" game. WHY?

    Here's the game: I am going to use my vagina and feminine "charms" to get you talking while I hold my hand close to my chest.

    The base female mental algorithm is as follows:

    ME: I will not reveal information about myself that will make you leave me, or want to judge me or even hurt me.
    YOU: I want you to reveal information about YOU that will better enable me to utilize you now, and DISPOSE OF YOU the moment you protest, or become a LIABILITY.

    This is why men becoming less stoic and more emotive never works.
    This is why women are "so damned difficult" and so hard to understand and so frustrating to be around.

    It's because it's all about her.

    We , gentlemen , have another sticky post right here !
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    Re: I found a Unicorn! A discussion about vetting.

    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    Let's not forget that people change. And not sometimes. All the time. Today's unicorn may well turn into tomorrow's rattlesnake. So, any evaluations done today on someone may be one hundred percent valid -- today. But down the road, all bets are off. Not may be off -- are off.

    Here's another thing I forgot to mention, though I've brought it up in other threads. The person you're dealing with today may be on behavioral meds. So, what you're interfacing with (in whatever way, at whatever time, under whatever circumstances) may not be who she really is.

    I guess what I'm trying to get around to saying is this: Why Fucking Bother. Doesn't life have enough problems and unknowns without trying to navigate its bumps with a potential powder keg walking beside you? Are the rewards really that great to warrant the risk?
    All very true. Though as someone on a lot of mental illness meds, I can say that they help me be in a place where I can -choose- my fate, rather than being a wide-open nerve that is vulnerable to everyone around me. So there's that...

    I've had this same discussion (with myself) and it's true... People change.. say a girl you really trust wants to move in. If for some reason she isn't already playing you, as happened to me; and she's really honest about *everything*... She has the power to enslave you with the snap of her fingers. And I'm not going to let anybody have that kind of power over me again. No man, no woman, no god... nobody. Always have an exit strategy, or better yet, stay in a position to kick anyone out of your life if necessary... They choose their fate.

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    Re: I found a Unicorn! A discussion about vetting.

    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    Let's not forget that people change. And not sometimes. All the time. Today's unicorn may well turn into tomorrow's rattlesnake. So, any evaluations done today on someone may be one hundred percent valid -- today. But down the road, all bets are off. Not may be off -- are off.

    Here's another thing I forgot to mention, though I've brought it up in other threads. The person you're dealing with today may be on behavioral meds. So, what you're interfacing with (in whatever way, at whatever time, under whatever circumstances) may not be who she really is.

    I guess what I'm trying to get around to saying is this: Why Fucking Bother. Doesn't life have enough problems and unknowns without trying to navigate its bumps with a potential powder keg walking beside you? Are the rewards really that great to warrant the risk?
    Blue Pill Person: Choooooose wiiiisely! You must chooooose wisely! You didn't CHOOOOOSE WISELY!
    MGTOW: But people change all the time, somtimes 2 or 3 times over during the lifespan of a typical marriage...
    Blue Pill Person...
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    ... CHOOOOOOOOOSE WISELY!!!!

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    Re: I found a Unicorn! A discussion about vetting.

    Quote Originally Posted by pbisque View Post
    Tongue in cheek gentlemen, tongue in cheek.

    In all seriousness I spend a fair bit of energy in the AWALT camp, because truly, all women are like that. That being said, I do occasionally stumble across women that at least, seem to get it. Most of them are older, and many of them are somewhat masculine, which may explain why they think more like men. Most have been producing content long before the tradthot trend started. They are few and far between.

    That being said, what is a man who can't seem to kill his urge for female companionship supposed to do? Pay for it I suppose, but that idea will always be repulsive to some. Get a doll? That works for some, but many will be turned off by that as well.

    So if you are stuck dealing with women, what do you look for? I would say she would have to look like a tradthot but pass some sort of sincerity test. It wouldn't justify violating any of the cardinal rules of MGTOW for her. For review,
    1) Don't get married
    2) Don't cohabitate
    3) Don't get her pregnant

    Now, after all of the appropriate disclaimers have been made, I stumbled onto this content maker. She speaks about conservative to anarchist concepts, but I haven't found her pandering to the MRA crowd in any manner. I believe she is Vietnamese which would explain why she is conservative. She's had first hand experience with communism and knows why it sucks. Also, she starts and ends her videos with "Yes prease". A subtle way of demonstrating the ability to have a laugh at her own expense.

    So is she a unicorn? No way. For sure, if you put your head in any one of the three nooses above, she could change her mind at any time and hang you from the highest tree.

    Does she pass your vetting requirements? That would be the discussion I'm trying to get started. Can women be vetted at all? Is trying even worth it, or are we simply stuck trying to suppress our hard wired addictions to these creatures?

    As an aside, I often see blue-pillers criticize MGTOW with the question, "If you dislike women so much, why do you spend so much time talking about them?" To me the answer is that MGTOW forums and content providers are like Alcoholics Anonymous. We are acknowledging an addiction. We go to the support group meetings so we can all help each other stay strong in the face of continual temptation. In my own mind, I question whether my above musing is an attempt to find an excuse to "take just a little sip" or if some women can indeed be looked at as methadone treatment for heroin addiction.
    I think they can. In fact I've had some satisfactory results from it too. However I am firmly in the EWALT camp. So there's that.

    You are going to have a VERY tough time having this discussion on this forum. I've found this out a few times myself when posting some ideas in earlier threads. The hard core AWALT never again with a woman crowd, will tend to endlessly repeat what we all know already. It does nothing to advance the topic at hand. Yet it gets posted none the less.

    A long time ago back on Nacho's old board I had coined a phrase that dating is an extreme sport. I really think of it a such. You can chose to partake or not. However the risks are much higher than they were back in the day. I have been fortunate and not been injured yet. I like to think that thinking with my big head first, before using my little head, can and does work.

    Let's see how long until all the reasons why I'm wrong, or what can happen at any time, and so forth start to get posted. I truly wonder if a day will come where we can have this conversation here without all the static.
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    Re: I found a Unicorn! A discussion about vetting.

    Now, after all of the appropriate disclaimers have been made, I stumbled onto this content maker. She speaks about conservative to anarchist concepts, but I haven't found her pandering to the MRA crowd in any manner. I believe she is Vietnamese which would explain why she is conservative. She's had first hand experience with communism and knows why it sucks. Also, she starts and ends her videos with "Yes prease". A subtle way of demonstrating the ability to have a laugh at her own expense.
    You can sense a sense of shame, she wants to fit into the 'white, christian, capitalist' stereotype. It is common, especially for east asians because they have a serious inferiority complex towards white North Americans, europeans.

    She is just trying extra hard to fit in, poor girl.

    Does she pass your vetting requirements? That would be the discussion I'm trying to get started. Can women be vetted at all? Is trying even worth it, or are we simply stuck trying to suppress our hard wired addictions to these creatures?
    The only way is to understand what her thoughts are. Not what she says, nor what she does. You have to know what a person really and truly thinks. That is sincerity. Kudos to Alik for sharing this insight with us. It isn't my insight.

    So what does she think about women who, for example make false rape allegations? What does she think of a woman who manipulates men for dinners?

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    Then you move onto actions. Is she out there actively advocating for equality under the law? Is she exposing the cunning and manipulative character of women?

    Does she, for example sit her 5 year old male child down and teach him all the tricks she knows about female manipulation? Not even the most sincere and praiseworthy female MRA would do that. I have never met such a woman in my entire life; and I don't think anyone else has.

    Granted, it's a bit of an extreme example; but the sincerity test requires it in my opinion.

    The reason I mention this is because, she may, for example, be active in the MRA or 'anti-feminist' circles. But she may have anti - male views. She may only be active because she sees the pendulum has swung too far in women's favour, and she wants to 're-address' this imbalance, but she only does it in action; just enough to bring you back to the negotiating table.

    Then when the pendulum is more balanced, she can go back to her gynocentric agenda (inwardly of course) either by way of withholding information about female manipulation or by way of giving out false information = 'just be yourself and you'll find the right girl' type of rhetoric.

    So what I am saying is you need to know what a woman, or even a man thinks AND ALSO what a woman or a man does. Both have to be in alignment, otherwise such people are insincere to say the least.

    As an aside, I often see blue-pillers criticize MGTOW with the question, "If you dislike women so much, why do you spend so much time talking about them?"
    That is a common misconception.

    In my interpretation of MGTOW, MGTOW is not at all about disliking women. But you can dislike women if you choose to. MGTOW is not about hating women, but you can hate women if you choose to. MGTOW is not about liking women, but you can like and go out and date women if you choose to.

    You choose your own masculinity, in your own pace, in your own way.

    Sometimes that will involve feelings of hatred towards women, sometime feelings of indifference towards women, sometime a feeling of respect and admiration for women (I have learnt that women have many noble qualities, they tend to be more sensitive, take better care of themselves and more demanding when they feel they have been treated unfairly, and I have began developing these qualities and they have benefitted me)

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    The issue that is at the crux of the MGTOW argument is that for the majority of human existence, tribes, societies, and cultures have in one way or another, to one degree or another been gynocentric.

    And let us not forget, gynocentrism is not a product of women. It is mainly men, especially of the tradcon variety who enable and enforce gynocentrism.

    This is probably over-simplifying the whole issue, but as a man, how often do you ask yourself:

    Is this beneficial for me? What do I gain out of this? What are the possibilities this will benefit me?

    Whether a date, job prospect, potential investments, familial relationships, sexual relationships etc etc.... how often do you ask yourself,

    what do I stand to gain from going on a date with such and such?
    what do I gain from helping out such and such?

    Women ask themselves these questions all the time, and if there is not benefit, then they just don't bother. They focus on what benefits them and maximise those opportunities.

    When men begin to think that way (in the 'instrumental' way), it doesn't matter to even ask about 'vetting' this or that woman.

    You begin to have inner strength and you become intelligent enough to see through female manipulation and also societal and male manipulation too.

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    Re: I found a Unicorn! A discussion about vetting.

    I am firmly EWALT, and being polyamorous, I have the luxury of running chicks past my already existing girlfriends, both sexual and platonic. Basically, I have a gaggle of chicks watching out for me, and that's awesome. It's not easy, but it's awesome. And OMG... I created a Honey Badger!

    One of the platonic ones; both loooooongterm ex's who I can only text chat with, because there are parts of us that are still nuts about each other (again, poly is not easy) was kinda freaking about how hard a time her son is having, and that there's a War on Boys. I dropped Karen Straughan's MGTOW video in the chat and told her to watch it.

    She later wrote me back saying that she was about to cry because she FINALLY found a voice of sanity in a world of madness. She's downing Honey Badger Radio like crazy over the past few weeks, and even wrote back again telling me how I had changed her life. I told her to watch out that the Redpill Rage is devastating for men, and I'd like to see how a lady deals with it. But it's super-cool to have helped an old friend, and she's gonna spread the word, cause she's always been a scrapper.

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    Re: I found a Unicorn! A discussion about vetting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    You can sense a sense of shame, she wants to fit into the 'white, christian, capitalist' stereotype. It is common, especially for east asians because they have a serious inferiority complex towards white North Americans, europeans.

    She is just trying extra hard to fit in, poor girl.



    The only way is to understand what her thoughts are. Not what she says, nor what she does. You have to know what a person really and truly thinks. That is sincerity. Kudos to Alik for sharing this insight with us. It isn't my insight.

    So what does she think about women who, for example make false rape allegations? What does she think of a woman who manipulates men for dinners?

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    Then you move onto actions. Is she out there actively advocating for equality under the law? Is she exposing the cunning and manipulative character of women?

    Does she, for example sit her 5 year old male child down and teach him all the tricks she knows about female manipulation? Not even the most sincere and praiseworthy female MRA would do that. I have never met such a woman in my entire life; and I don't think anyone else has.

    Granted, it's a bit of an extreme example; but the sincerity test requires it in my opinion.

    The reason I mention this is because, she may, for example, be active in the MRA or 'anti-feminist' circles. But she may have anti - male views. She may only be active because she sees the pendulum has swung too far in women's favour, and she wants to 're-address' this imbalance, but she only does it in action; just enough to bring you back to the negotiating table.

    Then when the pendulum is more balanced, she can go back to her gynocentric agenda (inwardly of course) either by way of withholding information about female manipulation or by way of giving out false information = 'just be yourself and you'll find the right girl' type of rhetoric.

    So what I am saying is you need to know what a woman, or even a man thinks AND ALSO what a woman or a man does. Both have to be in alignment, otherwise such people are insincere to say the least.



    That is a common misconception.

    In my interpretation of MGTOW, MGTOW is not at all about disliking women. But you can dislike women if you choose to. MGTOW is not about hating women, but you can hate women if you choose to. MGTOW is not about liking women, but you can like and go out and date women if you choose to.

    You choose your own masculinity, in your own pace, in your own way.

    Sometimes that will involve feelings of hatred towards women, sometime feelings of indifference towards women, sometime a feeling of respect and admiration for women (I have learnt that women have many noble qualities, they tend to be more sensitive, take better care of themselves and more demanding when they feel they have been treated unfairly, and I have began developing these qualities and they have benefitted me)

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    The issue that is at the crux of the MGTOW argument is that for the majority of human existence, tribes, societies, and cultures have in one way or another, to one degree or another been gynocentric.

    And let us not forget, gynocentrism is not a product of women. It is mainly men, especially of the tradcon variety who enable and enforce gynocentrism.

    This is probably over-simplifying the whole issue, but as a man, how often do you ask yourself:

    Is this beneficial for me? What do I gain out of this? What are the possibilities this will benefit me?

    Whether a date, job prospect, potential investments, familial relationships, sexual relationships etc etc.... how often do you ask yourself,

    what do I stand to gain from going on a date with such and such?
    what do I gain from helping out such and such?

    Women ask themselves these questions all the time, and if there is not benefit, then they just don't bother. They focus on what benefits them and maximise those opportunities.

    When men begin to think that way (in the 'instrumental' way), it doesn't matter to even ask about 'vetting' this or that woman.

    You begin to have inner strength and you become intelligent enough to see through female manipulation and also societal and male manipulation too.
    The inner strength !

    That is what it is all about for me .

    Without feeling like a billion dollars without a reason all my MGTOW wisdom was worthless . As valuable as grannies talking on a park bench ...

    It only recently became a cold hard currency of mine . Im not a slave , im not a king , im just a human .

    And who ever i think i am - i am . Whatever i want to be - i can be .

    You dont have to be a certified airline pilot to know how in the hell the air planes fly ...
    You cant keep a player down!
    Dont hate him , hate your fuking bullshit game !

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    Re: I found a Unicorn! A discussion about vetting.

    I knew a guy who found a unicorn once. He ended up getting a horn up his ass.

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    Re: I found a Unicorn! A discussion about vetting.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrixtheGreat View Post
    I knew a guy who found a unicorn once. He ended up getting a horn up his ass.
    I, too, have mistaken the rhinosaurus for a unicorn. That's exactly what happened to me.
    "Don't follow in my footsteps. I stepped in something."


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