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    feminism's worst nightmare: nothing to do with men?



    I admit, I love red on red, and women against feminism provides the perfect cover for us to continue doing what we do.

    but I do need to object, absolutely, to the idea that women against feminism is their worst nightmare. it's not even close to the truth. if anything, feminists love women against feminism: it's yet another punching bag they can take their stress out on. women against feminism will probably evaporate in awhile anyway.

    nope. feminism's worst nightmare is the same as every woman's worse nightmare.

    you know what it is. it's the title of this forum.

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    Re: feminism's worst nightmare: nothing to do with men?

    Quote Originally Posted by jso View Post


    I admit, I love red on red, and women against feminism provides the perfect cover for us to continue doing what we do.

    but I do need to object, absolutely, to the idea that women against feminism is their worst nightmare. it's not even close to the truth. if anything, feminists love women against feminism: it's yet another punching bag they can take their stress out on. women against feminism will probably evaporate in awhile anyway.

    nope. feminism's worst nightmare is the same as every woman's worse nightmare.

    you know what it is. it's the title of this forum.
    Agreed. WAF is -- more attention for women. Women love attention.
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    Re: feminism's worst nightmare: nothing to do with men?

    It's hilarious - futrelle's now trying to white knight for Valenti...

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    Re: feminism's worst nightmare: nothing to do with men?

    The beauty of MGTOW is the way "Good Men" just keep disappearing...

    How can they fight us when they can't find us? Their Swamp Fox, their Scarlet Pimpernel, their John Galt?

    (I came SO CLOSE to saying "The Scarlet Pumpernickel" ...)
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    Re: feminism's worst nightmare: nothing to do with men?

    Quote Originally Posted by BeijaFlor View Post
    The beauty of MGTOW is the way "Good Men" just keep disappearing...

    How can they fight us when they can't find us? Their Swamp Fox, their Scarlet Pimpernel, their John Galt?

    (I came SO CLOSE to saying "The Scarlet Pumpernickel" ...)
    That would have been a "Daffy" thing to say!
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    Re: feminism's worst nightmare: nothing to do with men?

    I agree. WAF is nothing more than women finally realising that the gravy train is running shit out of gravy.

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    Re: feminism's worst nightmare: nothing to do with men?

    Question for the young'uns out there: Have you been exposed to Br'er Rabbit, or has that been Politically Corrected out of your lives?

    For those who aren't familiar with Br'er Rabbit, he's the subject of a whole string of folk-tales from the Old South (of the USA). He and his fellow characters are very definitely shaped from the poorer class of people in those days; and for the most part, the written versions are written in a fashion that apes the old, drawling, mispronounced (and so deliberately misspelled) dialect in which they'd been told and handed down through the years. And frankly, they represent very clearly as poor-black-sharecropper kinds of folk tales ... and they often take a particular glee in the way happy-go-lucky Br'er (short for 'Brother') Rabbit manages to get stuck in the worst of predicaments, and still manages to outwit his foes and get away scot-free.

    The tale I'm thinking of particularly is Br'er Rabbit and the Tar Baby. (Link is to a website on American folklore.) Oh - worthy of note - sometimes the Tar Baby is represented as "the Tar Baby Girl," which is even more cogent to our situation, 'cause it's "girly" that gets our attention.



    TL/DR - Br'er Rabbit gets combative with the Tar Baby, which is just a sculpture made of sticky tar. Br'er Rabbit tries to "slap some respect" into the Tar Baby - and gets stuck. Note what's happening? Br'er Rabbit's own combativeness, his own slaps and kicks, get him stuck to and entrapped by the Tar Baby - and when his nemesis, the creator of the Tar Baby, Br'er Fox, comes out of hiding, Br'er Rabbit is completely at his mercy.

    I'm borrowing this tale as a metaphor of how we get stuck, fighting Feminism, fighting Trad-Con-ism, fighting Gynocentrism. We get "stuck in their frame." We get stuck in their arguments. We get stuck as their opponents, and when Br'er Gubmint comes out of the bushes to nab us, we're completely at THEIR mercy.

    Now, Br'er Rabbit manages to talk his way out of his trap. "You can do whatever you want with be - but please, PLEEEEZE don't throw me into the brier-patch!" And fortunately for him, Br'er Fox is so completely captivated by the idea of hurting, harming Br'er Rabbit in the worst possible way - so intent in putting Br'er Rabbit into "his worst nightmare" - and so blind in his projection of his own discomfort at getting caught in the thorns and brambles of the brier-patch, that he throws Br'er Rabbit into the middle of that prickly thorny trap ... which in fact is Br'er Rabbit's home, and safe refuge.

    How does this relate to "us against Feminism?" I'd liken Feminism to the Tar Baby. If we strike out against it, we get hung up on it, caught by it, stuck in its sticky goo. OTOH, when "Women Against Feminism" goes live with their drama and Feminism spools up its own reaction, we are on the sidelines of an intensely entertaining cat-fight. You see, Br'er MGTOW, they're both made up of the same stuff - gynocentrism. It's Tar-Baby vs Tar-Baby, and our best place is out here, watching from the safety of our brier-patch, passing the popcorn and the beer.

    REMEMBER ALSO - Gynocentrism created the Tar-Baby of Feminism in order to trap us; in order to get us caught up in fighting it. Oddly enough, it's a subset of Gynocentrism that created "Women Against Feminism," or at any rate it appears probable from my perspective. We could get caught up in the "Gynocentric Tar" just as easily by forgetting that WAFs are not necessarily NAWALT - they're as attention-greedy as anyone, and that's why they're posting their feminism-bashing selfies on Twitter and Tumblr and Facebook.

    Best to just walk on by those Tar Babies, Br'er MGTOW, on our way to our own safe comfy brier-patch.
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    Re: feminism's worst nightmare: nothing to do with men?

    Quote Originally Posted by BeijaFlor View Post
    Question for the young'uns out there: Have you been exposed to Br'er Rabbit, or has that been Politically Corrected out of your lives?


    haha HOLY FUCK

    well, um, when I was growing up in the 80s, we had books called "briar rabbit." just some stories about a rabbit that liked to sneak through the cabbage patches and steal bites of food.

    so I would have to say, we definitely got the politically corrected version, but at least it hadn't gone down the memory hole yet. haven't heard the name in a very long time tho.

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    Re: feminism's worst nightmare: nothing to do with men?

    Shame Song of the South only ever got VHS releases over ere in the Uk - and it's been aired by the Beeb - One film that needs releasing REGARDLESS of Al Sharpton's lot...

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    Re: feminism's worst nightmare: nothing to do with men?

    "...they're as attention-greedy as anyone, and that's why they're posting their feminism-bashing selfies on Twitter and Tumblr and Facebook."

    All designed, built and maintained by men....

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    Re: feminism's worst nightmare: nothing to do with men?

    I would put this another way. We are the reason for Women Against Feminism. Women have noticed that feminism causes men going their own way, and they have panicked. They want us back. And now they are trying to show us how they are against feminism, so we could return back to the plantation. That is what is going on. This is all about NOT ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT.

    Think about how many decades feminism has been here and women had no problem it with. Some thought they were weird and were probably a bit displeased about the package that feminist were pushing on to them, but now when men are really getting fed up about this all and leaving, women are waking up! "Hey, what's wrong! Why my pussy is losing attention?! Damn those feminists!". Of course this is partly due to the Internet as well, of course women can also see through obvious bullshit presented by feminists, but initial trigger is us men.

    These women are also fed up, because now when they date, men are trying to find out if they are feminists. And also men are not paying anymore, not taking the initiative anymore, not touching sexually anymore. One woman told me, that man must touch her on dates or she will think that he is not interested. So when feminists make everything rape, these women won't get this touch, this intrusion to gates of love... or some shit like that

    Men got the message, we know the message is conflicting with reason, we go our own way, and these women don't like it.

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    Re: feminism's worst nightmare: nothing to do with men?

    The worst enemy of any woman is another woman. Period.

    I am personally perfectly happy to sit by the sidelines and let it all happen. Again, like I said, there is no loss for MGTOW when WAF and Feminists fight. WAF has a very strong potential to peter out because there's no men to fight with them. Feminism does have men to fight with them. The only way WAF can have an ideology that will fight for them is to create an unbalanced fight, and prove a loss of gynocentrism. If they lose gynocentrism, they gain a supermassive power, but with supermassive responsibility.

    I always hear about a theory of Women Going Their Own Way, but it's a difficult concept: Women are allowed to go wherever they want now. They can demand to be wherever they want to be. Checking out doesn't matter to other women, because you are no longer a threat to them. To do so means to ditch powerful biological and cultural norms, and all the rights, responsibilities and privileges they give you, to reason into a better life. To authenticate their movement, they'd have to lose gynocentrism. To lose gynocentrism means you put yourself on a much more difficult path that finds its own rewards, while at the same time trying not to pay attention to all of those who have it easy. To authenticate as a WAF, you'd have to be a WGTOW. To be a WGTOW, you have to lose all of the privileges other women will use against you. MGTOW is easy to rationalize, because we have the data to prove our side. Losing all of our stresses makes us better off. But Feminism created a gynocentric Women Going Their Own Way movement, which results in all of this. But really, can you lose the gynocentrism and truly be a happy WGTOW? Because right now, Feminism makes women miserable. Would they be less miserable without the gynocentrism?
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    Re: feminism's worst nightmare: nothing to do with men?

    Quote Originally Posted by smallbitsoffire View Post
    I would put this another way. We are the reason for Women Against Feminism. Women have noticed that feminism causes men going their own way, and they have panicked.
    Really? You think MGTOW is a big enough phenomenon to initiate the WAF movement? I don't know... I'm skeptical. More likely red pill in general is responsible. Some women want the "Alpha" D, and want to be considered NAWALTs for them. They raise their relative SMV by rejecting feminism.
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    Re: feminism's worst nightmare: nothing to do with men?

    How can you be so cruel JSO? Don't you know those WAFs have been brainwashed by the evil patriarchy? That's the only possible explanation for how any woman could be against feminism. As we all know, women are superior to men but men oppress women and women can't do anything about it because they are superior and... and...

    Ow. Just mocking their thought train is starting to give me a cognitive dissonance headache. I didn't even make it 1/3 into my planned parody.

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    Re: feminism's worst nightmare: nothing to do with men?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chairborne View Post
    Really? You think MGTOW is a big enough phenomenon to initiate the WAF movement? I don't know... I'm skeptical. More likely red pill in general is responsible. Some women want the "Alpha" D, and want to be considered NAWALTs for them. They raise their relative SMV by rejecting feminism.
    Well, not literally MGTOW, but all variations of red and purple pill men who have become sceptical about relationships partly because of feminism, partly because women are more narsicistic than ever. MGTOW are only a tip of the iceberg of all men skeptical about women and relationship. Not only self announced MGTOW are MGTOW. I know my statement was quite bold, but you have think to about it more broadly and it perhaps starts making some sense. "where has all the good men gone" (They have gone their own way)


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