Thread: Dr. Jordan Peterson Attacks MGTOW

Came across this excellent video by Messenger Rising regarding Jordan Peterson's attack on MGTOW. Basically Peterson states that we are what is wrong with us, not the women, not society.

Through the years , through my career as MGTOW , through everything that i had to go through i can tell you one thing .

The dude is a homosexual .

I was hoping there would be more to what he said, but less than two minutes of him was shown. It may have been a preface to something not MGTOW-specific because, although Dr. Peterson mentioned MGTOW, he went on to include women when he said,

"If you are a woman who has trouble with men, or you are a man who has trouble with women, it's not the women and it's not the men. It's YOU." (Emphasis his.)

Now, hearing someone say that, does not have to be a bad thing. It means that you, man or woman, are maladaptive to your inputs. That's my general statement that fits a multitude of what's at the core of people's troubles. It doesn't assign blame. It doesn't mean that everybody else is doing things right while you are not. It only means that you are not adjusting to your experiences in a way that is healthy for you.

Or, maybe you ARE adjusting to things in a way that is healthy for you. Being maladaptive to one's inputs can be a healthy thing if your inputs are unhealthy. That brings us back to MGTOW, doesn't it?

Like they say, Dr. Peterson: YMMV.

So, without hearing the rest of what Dr. Peterson was saying, I don't know where he's going with this.

But, if he is going to talk about that old puppet string, It-can't-be-the-group-it-has-to-be-you, that always comes across like it's blaming the you. Group good, person bad. I disagree. Do we not have all the evidence we need to know that going along with other people's ideas of marriage is pretty damn toxic?

Back in the 70's, older married male coworkers would comment to me on the side, "Do not get married." This was their form of internet. It's nothing new. The internet is what's new, not the advice. I bet if they had had an anonymous way of getting things off of their chests, with impunity, we would have heard a lot more back then from your Everyday Joe.

From what I saw, Dr Peterson didnt even bother to address the issue (that the system is geared towards the financial destruction of males), but instead called men "Pathetic Weasels" for not sticking their heads on the chopping block of that system.

Isn't he a whole lot smarter than that?

Originally Posted by flailer

From what I saw, Dr Peterson didnt even bother to address the issue (that the system is geared towards the financial destruction of males), but instead called men "Pathetic Weasels" for not sticking their heads on the chopping block of that system.

Isn't he a whole lot smarter than that?

He is paid a lot more to not be .

And the times are tough .

He is like those economics and investment gurus telling you what to do or how its gonna be , yet living from paycheck to paycheck .

Cause the only thing they know is that hey know - its all garbage .

Very disappointing. Throw all the blame of ANY failing relationship on the shoulders of the man? Didnt see that coming. {sarc}

He states: Maybe you {MGTOW men} werent making the right sacrifices? Yeah, let's just turn a blind eye to all of the shitty behavior of women and make different sacrifices for them. How about the abusive alcoholic females that will manipulate, backstab, gaslight, and physically beat you? Ya know, 70% of all western women. Just keep my head down and apologize constantly for doing nothing wrong? Fuck that noise, son.

Man, if you've been with as many women as i have, you'd realize there is NO amount of sacrifice that will be enough for any of these harpies... even the fugly ones! Why do men constantly attempt to shame me into being a submissive dog begging for pussy? It's not going to happen.

I'm not confused about women. I've learned from my mistakes, I've learned from other men's mistakes, and i've learned by watching women's actions, compared to their words. If men like Peterson want to go "unicorn hunting", have at it. I have more important things to do with my life.

This is the same guy who was attacked by SJWs and feminazis a while back for saying something they didnt like.
{Gender Pronoun argument for free speech link: https://youtu.be/SiijS_9hPkM}

Interesting that he magically switched his argument to attack us.. He knows we wont retaliate like the extremists.

Any time a tradcon attacks mgtow it is free advertising, because they don't understand how mgtow works.

It is like trying to explain to a woman why men don't sit around and complain about problems and things they can actually do something about. MGTOW is often action or reaction to the world and while it does involve discussions here on this forum and all over the net. What is obvious though is that in the end going your own way is a personal journey and the best action.

Tradcons can't connect the dots that society doesn't have their backs and the old ways are not returning.

Tradcons, neo masculinity and TRP tend to believe MGTOW talking about women's destructive behavior is not taking action, but it is actually pro active action. This is because it is raising awareness of true female nature so other men can know the dangers and perils of female-centric sexual reproductive strategies.

Accepting female true nature is fine, but it doesn't mean you stop talking about how when it is unrestrained it is toxic to society. And thus, the difference between TRP and MGTOW. MGTOW walk away while TRP try to hold frame.

While I am well versed in the school of stoicism the one big weakness of that school of thought is not accepting that you are human being first and male second. Thus, you are ironically trapping yourself in the paradigm that you must be the mule to carry the load for society.

I think MGTOW was explained to him by someone that doesn't like MGTOW. Peterson didn't say "we" are weasels but that MGTOW calls women weasels, which is true a majority of the time.

A weasel is a loyal pet to any man.Women represent the opportunistic and resources extraction side of the human equation and experience. Personally, if more people are exposed to mgtow, because of weaksauce shaming attempts that is a small victory in the hearts and minds of men which leads to freeing others.

I like the phrase other mgtow use by saying "mgtow is about taking ownership of your own life". That sums it up.

Maybe, maybe, Azure Nomad is correct (LOVE your login name btw),

To my point: I ran into a total stranger, a Male, intuitively I sensed he was lost in life and looking for answers (a tradcon, following a woman around as a city-bound tourist, doing empty meaningless things as a tourist w a woman that barely cared about him), (and he saw me happy, successful, well dressed, living nomad, touring the country in my little RV) and he latched on to me with questions.

Naturally I told him the truth (as I see it) : Immoral culture; Dangerous to associate w women, Lies across the entire political spectrum, Media spoon feeding in order to keep a narrative that supports a simpleton, sheepeople-like, followers; MGTOW too.

He got most of it except the falsehood narratives part (as he was an avid news consumer.)

Further towards his questions I say its our moral responsibility to "Go Galt"; to quit supporting the system; Don't buy or own anything that they tax; & vote no on everything ; To allow women (& other Leftists) to do ALL the work, even the heaviest of lifting (nastiest and most dangerous work); to stand back and enjoy the decline (this is where I pull out a cigar, if I have one, and put it in my mouth, and smile my perfect teeth)

At this point the man FREAKED! Totally freaked. He was an emotional wreak. All he could say was "you can't do that!!!" (As servitude is all that he has known and bowing down is his lot in life?)

To which I said: I can; I will; I am doing just that; and I will continue to enjoy life and watch the free world collapse around me.

He watched as I climbed into my ultra nice class B motorhome, w all the bells and whistles (but for which the licence and tags (taxes) are cheap, 1 10,000th of what he is paying) and I smiled & waved as I rolled away.

I believe that there are millions upon millions of people like him.

Leftist simply HATE ME, and try to SHAME ME.

But this guy, Conservatives, are too honorable to use Marxist tactics, and simply could not comprehend how radically powerful Gandhi was, how he changed not only India, but the entire British Empire, and thus the world.

I am the party bore when it comes to pointing this out, but the fact that his capers were successful almost tells you more about the British Empire than it does about him.

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But, if he is going to talk about that old puppet string, It-can't-be-the-group-it-has-to-be-you, that always comes across like it's blaming the you. Group good, person bad. I disagree. Do we not have all the evidence we need to know that going along with other people's ideas of marriage is pretty damn toxic?
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That is a professor teaching students right?
And he uses these types of arguments?
I hope some students are smart enough to stay skeptical.

Scientific philosophy --> you have to provide proof to be able to say something is actually true.
Proof can be gathered either by observation or by observations + deductive reasoning.

Saying it has to be you, it cannot be the group is literally just saying horse shit. It can be the group and it does not have to be you, and he does not have the facts to proof otherwise. No observations. No deductions from observations. This is just a professor saying stuff, nothing more.

Peterson drew attention to himself when he refused to kowtow to the gender identifarians. He clearly needed to create some smoke and mirrors with an attack on MGTOW.

At the end of the day, he's just another "intellectual" on campus who will never be able to say the truth about feminism, modern women, and how they are failing their communities, their partners, and their own children.

Shame on you Peterson.

In fact... I can almost hear the conversation that went on:

"Dr. Peterson, you've made allies with some very hateful groups online, groups who discriminate against all of our special snowflakes and perpetually gender-confused. You sir, must show your allegiance to social justice everywhere and make a damning speech against some part of the manosphere. How about... MGTOW?"

A group of fat lesbians voted unanimously - Peterson either does the publicity gig as "reparations for sins against social justice" or he's faced with further disciplinary action. Or, he puts on this thinly veiled little shit show and he's off the hook so long as he doesn't speak out against social justice EVER AGAIN.

Ah well, what can one expect when you build a career on swimming with the enemy.

Toronto Canada is where the cancer started.

It has now spread through the rest of the body.

There was never any hope - even for the likes of the highly intelligent Peterson.

Originally Posted by Insidious_Sid

Toronto Canada is where the cancer started.

It has now spread through the rest of the body.

There was never any hope - even for the likes of the highly intelligent Peterson.

Dubious intelligence detected in Peterson.

Plenty of it on this thread though.

Why couldn't it simply be that Dr. Peterson is "picking his battles" ??

The man has a whole lot to lose!!

As MGTOW, I have every right to choose my battles. And while I don't walk away from many, I sometimes do. I can't think of the last one I walked away from. But then I have the luxury of being retired, single, and fairly well-monied. The least I do is point and laugh at their stupidity. More often than not I am the one bringing up the narrative, talking points, and am always well-armed with FACTS.

The battles I do walk away from are ones that could lead to legal ramifications.

p.s. If I was doxxed: The likelihood that a "chance encounter" was actually a planned attack on me would go up dramatically. And that is where Dr. Peterson lives, all day, everyday... even while he is resting & sleeping.

Originally Posted by flailer

Why couldn't it simply be that Dr. Peterson is "picking his battles" ??

The man has a whole lot to lose!!

As MGTOW, I have every right to choose my battles. And while I don't walk away from many, I sometimes do. I can't think of the last one I walked away from. But then I have the luxury of being retired, single, and fairly well-monied. The least I do is point and laugh at their stupidity. More often than not I am the one bringing up the narrative, talking points, and am always well-armed with FACTS.

The battles I do walk away from are ones that could lead to legal ramifications.

p.s. If I was doxxed: The likelihood that a "chance encounter" was actually a planned attack on me would go up dramatically. And that is where Dr. Peterson lives, all day, everyday... even while he is resting & sleeping.

Precisely .

All these titles before your name Doctor and a professor OMG !!! He must know it all oh my ... And under that worn out suit is just a aging man that was bullied through school just trying to live paycheck to paycheck .

If he is so intelligent and all that he would do something about his life but all his wisdom only passes the test of teenage ears . Doesnt go any further in the real world .

Oh, I don't blame him if he was indeed coerced, or even just changed his tune to better align with the social justice warriors, at least until some personal smoke clears. It just urks me that not everybody can see this going on, and many people cling to this man's words because of his raw intelligence and many good sensibilities.

What also urks me is an underlying trad-con theme where people better themselves and it's good for them but it's even MORE GOODER for greater society. That we *need* people competing against themselves and each-other so the best will emerge and 'fuck the best' and make little future 'bests' at something else.

So far, the "best" that mankind can do is multiply like a disease, consume our small limited planet, and shrug off the fact 90% of the world lives in squalor while the 10% live in some gradient of "rock star" from 20 years ago or kings from 500 years ago. I'm not buying his "be part of the bigger greater gang" idea.

Fuck the good old gang. I treat the gang the way the gang treats me: ZERO FUCKS GIVEN.
Two sides to the ZFG coin, hey fellas!

I don't need to be excellent so society can do better.

I need to care for me and my own and let society go fuck it's amoral materialistic narcissistic self.

I don't agree with where society is going, or why it's going that way.

That's why I go my own way. Both my failures and my victories are my own.

I'm having a hard time to respect the man. I don't care about his intelligence or his achievements he's just another guy who simply can't accept that other men are rejecting a system which ends up in the meat grinder in case you make a mistake. How about, stop telling other people what to do. I would just ask him 1 question. Does a human being have a right to live how he sees fit? The logical deduction I have from his comments is no. Do you have to conform like everyone else does? FTS.
With all due respect, he's a moron, white knight, mangina tradcon to me and he's part of everything that is wrong with our society today.
Stop telling other people what to do and might start to respect him.

p.s. I loved the analyses Rising messenger did. He pretty much destroyed every argument Mr. Peterson made. Peterson has a big ego and he strikes me as an arrogant person as well.
Just my 2 cents

For men ego provides the ability to create or destroy while for women having an ego is outright destructive and unfeminine.

Peterson is trying to project what he knows and what he used to know as normal. From his point of view civilization was stable with the symbiotic relationship between citizen giving to society and society giving back to the citizen.

But Peterson fails to acknowledge the social contract has been broken and thus clings to the idea that men must sacrifice for civilization to prosper. Indeed civilization requires men to be engaged to prosper but the exchange has to be mutual and fair.

Men don't care about equality as most people truly believe, but it is fairness that matters way more than equality IMVHO. This is because, fairness is about receiving what you are due based on your social status and the work you put in. And the work you put in has a value which should always be reflected in terms of a fair value or market value average.

Equality used to mean a base line where everyone starts off the same and equal opportunity. Now, equality means that you have put others down to come out ahead which runs counter to the idea of fairness.

So, now we have a society that is split in a schism in two with one side pushing new definitions of what equality entails versus the other that simply wants fairness.