Thread: Dr. Helen Smith spreading the good word on muffpo; "8 Reasons Straight Men Don't Want To Get Married"

Helen Smith: 8 Reasons Straight Men Don't Want To Get Married

It seems that fewer and fewer people in general are getting married these days, and even fewer men seem interested. Men no longer see marriage as being as important as they did even 15 years ago. "According to Pew Research Center, the share of women ages eighteen to thirty-four that say having a successful marriage is one of the most important things in their lives rose nine percentage points since 1997--from 28 percent to 37%. For men, the opposite occurred. The share voicing this opinion dropped, from 35 percent to 29 percent." Why?

In the course of researching my new book, Men On Strike: Why Men Are Boycotting Marriage, Fatherhood, and the American Dream - And Why It Matters, I talked with men all over America about why they're avoiding marriage. It turns out that the problem isn't that men are immature, or lazy. Instead, they're responding rationally to the incentives in today's society. Here are some of the answers I found.

1. You'll lose respect. A couple of generations ago, a man wasn't considered fully adult until he was married with kids. But today, fathers are figures of fun more than figures of respect: The schlubby guy with the flowered diaper bag at the mall, or one of the endless array of buffoonish TV dads in sitcoms and commercials. In today's culture, father never knows best. It's no better in the news media. As communications professor James Macnamara reports, "by volume, 69 percent of mass media reporting and commentary on men was unfavorable, compared with just 12 percent favorable and 19 percent neutral or balanced."

2. You'll lose out on sex. Married men have more sex than single men, on average - but much less than men who are cohabiting with their partners outside of marriage, especially as time goes on. Research even suggests that married women are more likely to gain weight than women who are cohabiting without marriage. A Men's Health article mentioned one study that followed 2,737 people for six years and found that cohabiters said they were happier and more confident than married couples and singles.

3. You'll lose friends. "Those wedding bells are breaking up that old gang of mine." That's an old song, but it's true. When married, men's ties with friends from school and work tend to fade. Although both men and women lose friends after marriage, it tends to affect men's self-esteem more, perhaps because men tend to be less social in general.

4. You'll lose space. We hear a lot about men retreating to their "man caves," but why do they retreat? Because they've lost the battle for the rest of the house. The Art of Manliness blog mourns "The Decline of Male Space," and notes that the development of suburban lifestyles, intended to bring the family together, resulted in the elimination of male spaces in the main part of the house, and the exile of men to attics, garages, basements - the least desirable part of the home. As a commenter to the post observes: "There was no sadder scene to a movie than in 'Juno' when married guy Jason Bateman realized that in his entire huge, house, he had only a large closet to keep all the stuff he loved in. That hit me like a punch in the face."

5. You could lose your kids, and your money. And they may not even be your kids. Lots of men I spoke with were keenly aware of the dangers of divorce, and worried that if they were married and it went sour, the woman might take everything, including the kids. Other men were concerned that they might wind up paying child support for kids who aren't even theirs - a very real possibility in many states. On my blog, I polled over 3200 men to ask how they would react to finding out that a child wasn't theirs after all. 32 percent said they would feel "anger and fury at the mother," 6 percent said they would feel "depression," 18 percent said "anger and depression," 2 percent said "none of the above," 32 percent said "angry at the system that forced them to pay," and only 2 percent "didn't care." One man commented that his ex-wife had taunted him with the knowledge that his 11-year old son wasn't actually his: "I was angry at the mother...I severed all ties to the boy. Some may see this as a failing. I see it as self-preservation, and to those that ask the question of whether or not the courts will make a non-biological parent pay child support, pay attention: YES THEY WILL! They see you as nothing more than a source of cash for the child. It seems that a person in these situations should be able to sue the real father for child support."

6. You'll lose in court. Men often complain that the family court legal system is stacked against them, and in fact it seems to be. Women gain custody and child support the majority of the time, as pointed out in this ABC News article: "Despite the increases in men seeking and receiving alimony, advocates warn against linking the trend to equality in the courtroom. Family court judges still tend to favor women, said Ned Holstein, the founder of Fathers & Families, a group advocating family court reform. "'Family court still gives custody overwhelmingly to mothers, child support overwhelmingly to mothers, and courts still give almony overwhelmingly to mothers and women,' he said. 'The family courts came into existence years ago in order to give things to mothers that mothers needed," he said. 'The times have changed and the courts have not.'"

7. You'll lose your freedom. At least, if you're charged with child support that you can't pay, you can be put in jail - and if you can't afford a lawyer, you don't have the right to have one appointed because, according to the Supreme Court, it's technically a civil matter, never mind the jail time. Fathers and Families found that it's the men who are jailed rather than women: "A new report concludes that between 95% and 98.5% of all incarcerations in Massachusetts sentenced from the Massachusetts Probate and Family Courts from 2001 through 2011 have been men. Moreover, this percentage may be increasing, with an average of 94.5% from 2001 to 2008, and 96.2% from 2009 through 2011. It is likely that most of these incarcerations are for incomplete payment of child support. Further analysis suggests that women who fail to pay all of their child support are incarcerated only one-eighth as often as men with similar violations."

8. Single life is better than ever. While the value of marriage to men has declined, the quality of single life has improved. Single men were once looked on with suspicion, passed over for promotion for important jobs, which usually valued "stable family men," and often subjected to social opprobrium. It was hard to have a love life that wasn't aimed at marriage, and premarital sex was risky and frowned upon. Now, no one looks askance at the single lifestyle, dating is easy, and employers probably prefer employees with no conflicting family responsibilities. Plus, video games, cable TV, and the Internet provide entertainment that didn't used to be available. Is this good for society? Probably not, as falling birth rates and increasing single-motherhood demonstrate. But people respond to incentives. If you want more men to marry, it needs to be a more attractive proposition.

Clarification: From author Helen Smith: "I talked only with heterosexual men about marriage for the book. It did not include same-sex marriages. However the dynamics of same -sex marriage would be a fascinating study for future research." -- HuffPost Eds.

MARVELOUS.

Incidentally, in re "lose your kids" ... when my mother died, twelve years ago, I went through her papers. She and my PUTATIVE father, the guy whose name she kept, the guy whose family name I use, divorced nine months before I was born. Coincidence? I think not ... and neither did he, in his last message to me, when he asked if I'd ever sought out my birth-father.

But I took good care of my mother ... and that's all that mattered to HER.

3. You'll lose friends. "Those wedding bells are breaking up that old gang of mine." That's an old song, but it's true. When married, men's ties with friends from school and work tend to fade. Although both men and women lose friends after marriage, it tends to affect men's self-esteem more, perhaps because men tend to be less social in general.

welp, she still doesn't get it, or still doesn't have the guts to be honest about it.

Now, no one looks askance at the single lifestyle, dating is easy, and employers probably prefer employees with no conflicting family responsibilities. Plus, video games, cable TV, and the Internet provide entertainment that didn't used to be available. Is this good for society? Probably not, as falling birth rates and increasing single-motherhood demonstrate.

ok, if she actually believes this then she really doesn't get it.

Number 3 is wrong: Real friends aren't lost.

This bitch is just telling her little lambs what aspects of deception they need to refine...Nothing more...

Originally Posted by Malinois

Number 3 is wrong: Real friends aren't lost.

This bitch is just telling her little lambs what aspects of deception they need to refine...Nothing more...

I disagree, The bitch will make you uncomfortable and your buddy miserable if you continue to befriend him. In the end the best thing to do is leave him to his drudgery and wish him well, he'll most likely seek you out when the shit hits the fan.

Originally Posted by FapMaster

I disagree, The bitch will make you uncomfortable and your buddy miserable if you continue to befriend him. In the end the best thing to do is leave him to his drudgery and wish him well, he'll most likely seek you out when the shit hits the fan.

You are right in a way. I was meaning that I would still be THEIR friend...As long as they didn't throw me under the bus. I have a one buddy in particular that would not know what to do without a female in his life. He and I go all the way back since we were 6 years old...He's been married for about 10 years, has two kids, and I can sense the desperation everytime I see him. His wife may be an AWALT even. However I doubt she's as innocent as she seems. I smell her 10 year itch as well...Either way, dude and I are like brothers...He's always got a friend and I'm pretty sure I do as well...They were going to attempt to set me up with one of her friends a little wile back, and they respected my decline...I told them, I might show up with an escort just so she could have some company too, and they laughed...No shaming and just a few questions...And, I tried not to sound better off than them, they are pretty humble themselves...

I DO know another guy that is miserably married...Awesome dude, completely enslaved...He's too dutiful to ever just cut and run...He will probably martyr himself...Fucking sad to see this shit as we were BEST freaking buds at one time...Drinking whiskey, wrenching on cars, fishing by fire light in secluded fields...I learned a lot from him really and he always, ALWAYS KNEW his life was OVER after he knocked up is wife the first time...His wife is the type to nag and shame and guilt and nag some more...I stay the hell away, and he completely understands...I'll probably drop by this summer to shoot the shit when I think the coast is clear though...Dude NEEDS a friend...

One of my brothers hit me up today...Great bonding experience when his wife was at work...Her and I detest one another...She's like my second buddy's wife and she knows what I think and hates to be around me because of it...She's doing her best to isolate my brother but, my brother and I have pretty good bond and his ears perk up when I lay out some MGTOW golden nuggets of truth...

No bitch has the power to make feel anything except horney...hahaha

Sorry I misunderstood, yeah I've got a couple of buds the same way. Great guys I would still call my friends, but the wifey can't stand me.
Women seem to instinctively know when they meet a man who sees through their bullshit. The PUA's must cloak it somehow.

I don't think PUA's cloak it. I think single hoochies look at such a man as a challenge or as more dominant because of their ability to see through the crap that fools most guys.