Thread: Don't break the omerta

Hey man i encountered something funny few days back. One guy name sunil I know was trying to help some other guy mahesh who was getting dumped by girls right left and centre. Sunil tried to tell him about red pill ideas, the 80-20 rule and it appeared as if everything was given a pass by mahesh said that's the high standard thing. But Sunil still tried to advice him, i was about to jump in and favour sunil and advice mahesh to watch out for gold diggers but for some reason i stopped. Sunil tried to reason with mahesh but he said That's how biology works. Mahesh spread the word about sunil's beliefs. Now everyone is giving sunil looks as if he is some kind brainwashed terrorist or lunatic. So i've realised this thing red pill of ours should remain a secret like cosa nostra was once. Cause in the mainstream media it's considered bad and people will make stories behind your back if you reveal the truth cause they want lies not the truth.

So don't break the omerta. Speak the ideology through internet. The best advantage of 21st century.

Originally Posted by Harish yadav

So don't break the omerta. Speak the ideology through internet. The best advantage of 21st century.

You are learning fast, young Jedi.

You can speak the truth, just don't REVEAL THE SOURCE (MGTOW). Because if you do, people you don't know, will give you flack, and backlash.

Hmm.

O.K. I’ll bite.

Sunil made a fatal mistake. He tried to convince Mahesh, tried to change an indoctrinated opinion with a hammer instead of a scalpel.

It’s no wonder Mahesh reacted badly, his lifelong held beliefs weren’t being questioned; they were being stomped on.

Who wouldn’t react to this with disdain?

Especially, IMO, with the 80:20 rule. Even I don’t buy it, at least not totally.

Why?

Because it gets misused. Yes blue-pilled people (and I mean people, both men AND women) seek the best in a mate, but it all depends on what it is they’re looking for.

If a woman is looking for a provider she’ll seek the highest earner. If she’s looking for a protector she’ll seek the strong man. If she’s looking to be the dominant force she’ll seek the weak willed. It’s all very subjective.

Also, just because someone seeks the best of the best in whatever it is they’re looking for doesn’t mean they won’t settle for less, they will. They do. And because they do their chosen relationship is almost doomed to failure from the start.

I doubt the Pareto principle when it comes to people choosing a mate:

The Pareto principle states that for many outcomes, roughly 80% of consequences come from 20% of causes

This is a business management strategy. Just how does this translate to people only selecting the top 20% of potential partners? Is this how people think?

I don’t think so.

Anyhow, however you feel about red-pill / blue-pill differences it’s best not to broadcast these things. Drop a hint here and there if you wish but to try to convince someone that everything that they’ve been taught is a lie is going to get you treated like a loon.

People need to discover this for themselves, one step at a time, when they are ready. It’s not a meal that can be force-fed, except maybe by a woman.

Originally Posted by Jackoff

Hmm.

O.K. I’ll bite.

Sunil made a fatal mistake. He tried to convince Mahesh, tried to change an indoctrinated opinion with a hammer instead of a scalpel.

It’s no wonder Mahesh reacted badly, his lifelong held beliefs weren’t being questioned; they were being stomped on.

Who wouldn’t react to this with disdain?

Especially, IMO, with the 80:20 rule. Even I don’t buy it, at least not totally.

Why?

Because it gets misused. Yes blue-pilled people (and I mean people, both men AND women) seek the best in a mate, but it all depends on what it is they’re looking for.

If a woman is looking for a provider she’ll seek the highest earner. If she’s looking for a protector she’ll seek the strong man. If she’s looking to be the dominant force she’ll seek the weak willed. It’s all very subjective.

Also, just because someone seeks the best of the best in whatever it is they’re looking for doesn’t mean they won’t settle for less, they will. They do. And because they do their chosen relationship is almost doomed to failure from the start.

I doubt the Pareto principle when it comes to people choosing a mate:



This is a business management strategy. Just how does this translate to people only selecting the top 20% of potential partners? Is this how people think?

I don’t think so.

Anyhow, however you feel about red-pill / blue-pill differences it’s best not to broadcast these things. Drop a hint here and there if you wish but to try to convince someone that everything that they’ve been taught is a lie is going to get you treated like a loon.

People need to discover this for themselves, one step at a time, when they are ready. It’s not a meal that can be force-fed, except maybe by a woman.

I agree. A man can talk about the "watering hole", but he can't lead the person to it. That person must figure out himself, where to find the "secret watering hole".

One can drop hints of red pill, be discreet. If you blow off the lid off, people will react negatively, and think you're a terrorist or a lunatic. Keep your profile a secret. You can be anything you want, and set your mind to any thing.

But the knowledge you have is dangerous, and people don't like dangerous, red pill knowledge. People become a mob, when it comes to dangerous knowledge. So keep it to yourself, unless it's your close friend, or a friend you trust.

This is great advice. I have made the mistake of befriending the wrong person, and then letting them in on my views of relationships, marriage, and children. It did not go well. Sometimes, I mistakenly say something that is clearly not bluepill in a bluepill setting. The best policy is to merely walk away when this happens and/or change the topic, usually people are so uncomfortable with truth that they willingly move to a new topic.

Originally Posted by GrnB

This is great advice. I have made the mistake of befriending the wrong person, and then letting them in on my views of relationships, marriage, and children. It did not go well. Sometimes, I mistakenly say something that is clearly not bluepill in a bluepill setting. The best policy is to merely walk away when this happens and/or change the topic, usually people are so uncomfortable with truth that they willingly move to a new topic.

Agreed. People can't digest when you know something they don't know. They straight judge and take you as an insane man.

Originally Posted by GrnB

This is great advice. I have made the mistake of befriending the wrong person, and then letting them in on my views of relationships, marriage, and children. It did not go well. Sometimes, I mistakenly say something that is clearly not bluepill in a bluepill setting. The best policy is to merely walk away when this happens and/or change the topic, usually people are so uncomfortable with truth that they willingly move to a new topic.

Yep. Many of the truth in Red Pill Knowledge are still hard to bear by some people. So if any red pill guy, (who is just a beginner, for example) talks about red pill with strangers, will get blowback. So it's best to keep it to himself. Unless that guy has close red pill friends, then he can freely talk about it.

I don't talk about red pill to anyone but my red pill guys friends. I don't even talk to my own family about it, because I know I will get blowback, on it. So I don't talk about it to my family.

I'm keen enough to know that red pill knowledge is extremely controversial, even outright dangerous to some blue pill people. And I protect myself with red pill/mgtow men.

Originally Posted by GrnB

This is great advice. I have made the mistake of befriending the wrong person, and then letting them in on my views of relationships, marriage, and children. It did not go well. Sometimes, I mistakenly say something that is clearly not bluepill in a bluepill setting. The best policy is to merely walk away when this happens and/or change the topic, usually people are so uncomfortable with truth that they willingly move to a new topic.

Originally Posted by Eddie Willers

You are learning fast, young Jedi.

Just trying to survive

Originally Posted by Jackoff

Sunil made a fatal mistake. He tried to convince Mahesh, tried to change an indoctrinated opinion with a hammer instead of a scalpel.

It’s no wonder Mahesh reacted badly, his lifelong held beliefs weren’t being questioned; they were being stomped on.

I like that, it's very true!!!!! A man can not show another man RP truths. On the other hand women can RP men, they swing a much bigger hammer and do much more damage. If you want to teach RP, the man has to want to learn. Go easy a little at a time, "Using a scalpel".... The need to learn must be larger than the cuts of the scalpel to his "Lifelong held beliefs".

Originally Posted by Jackoff

Hmm.

O.K. I’ll bite.

Sunil made a fatal mistake. He tried to convince Mahesh, tried to change an indoctrinated opinion with a hammer instead of a scalpel.

It’s no wonder Mahesh reacted badly, his lifelong held beliefs weren’t being questioned; they were being stomped on.

Who wouldn’t react to this with disdain?

Especially, IMO, with the 80:20 rule. Even I don’t buy it, at least not totally.

Why?

Because it gets misused. Yes blue-pilled people (and I mean people, both men AND women) seek the best in a mate, but it all depends on what it is they’re looking for.

If a woman is looking for a provider she’ll seek the highest earner. If she’s looking for a protector she’ll seek the strong man. If she’s looking to be the dominant force she’ll seek the weak willed. It’s all very subjective.

Also, just because someone seeks the best of the best in whatever it is they’re looking for doesn’t mean they won’t settle for less, they will. They do. And because they do their chosen relationship is almost doomed to failure from the start.

I doubt the Pareto principle when it comes to people choosing a mate:



This is a business management strategy. Just how does this translate to people only selecting the top 20% of potential partners? Is this how people think?

I don’t think so.

Anyhow, however you feel about red-pill / blue-pill differences it’s best not to broadcast these things. Drop a hint here and there if you wish but to try to convince someone that everything that they’ve been taught is a lie is going to get you treated like a loon.

People need to discover this for themselves, one step at a time, when they are ready. It’s not a meal that can be force-fed, except maybe by a woman.

I agree with you. But 80-20 rule is correct. That's the first thing i found out to be true when I read the red pill and compared my 20 years of experience in 12 different places. It was all true and made me read all about red pill ideology. At least it's my personal experience.

Originally Posted by Jackoff

Hmm.

O.K. I’ll bite.

Sunil made a fatal mistake. He tried to convince Mahesh, tried to change an indoctrinated opinion with a hammer instead of a scalpel.

It’s no wonder Mahesh reacted badly, his lifelong held beliefs weren’t being questioned; they were being stomped on.

Who wouldn’t react to this with disdain?

Especially, IMO, with the 80:20 rule. Even I don’t buy it, at least not totally.

Why?

Because it gets misused. Yes blue-pilled people (and I mean people, both men AND women) seek the best in a mate, but it all depends on what it is they’re looking for.

If a woman is looking for a provider she’ll seek the highest earner. If she’s looking for a protector she’ll seek the strong man. If she’s looking to be the dominant force she’ll seek the weak willed. It’s all very subjective.

Also, just because someone seeks the best of the best in whatever it is they’re looking for doesn’t mean they won’t settle for less, they will. They do. And because they do their chosen relationship is almost doomed to failure from the start.

I doubt the Pareto principle when it comes to people choosing a mate:



This is a business management strategy. Just how does this translate to people only selecting the top 20% of potential partners? Is this how people think?

I don’t think so.

Anyhow, however you feel about red-pill / blue-pill differences it’s best not to broadcast these things. Drop a hint here and there if you wish but to try to convince someone that everything that they’ve been taught is a lie is going to get you treated like a loon.

People need to discover this for themselves, one step at a time, when they are ready. It’s not a meal that can be force-fed, except maybe by a woman.

Originally Posted by RustyNuts

I like that, it's very true!!!!! A man can not show another man RP truths. On the other hand women can RP men, they swing a much bigger hammer and do much more damage. If you want to teach RP, the man has to want to learn. Go easy a little at a time, "Using a scalpel".... The need to learn must be larger than the cuts of the scalpel to his "Lifelong held beliefs".

It's better to promote red pill anonymously on the internet. That's the way it has been. But problem is people encounter it once they've been hit too many times.

Harish, MGTOW men must learn to be stealthy with their knowledge. It's not to keep this information from other men but because going your own way is about just that, GOING YOUR OWN WAY.
If you open your mouth about your beliefs, you're sucked right back into the blue pill cesspool, and you WILL start to lose friends because of it.
The trick is to be there for your friends when they stumble onto the red pill themselves. Not with an I told you so attitude, but with a welcome home brother attitude.

Originally Posted by Chris007

Harish, MGTOW men must learn to be stealthy with their knowledge. It's not to keep this information from other men but because going your own way is about just that, GOING YOUR OWN WAY.
If you open your mouth about your beliefs, you're sucked right back into the blue pill cesspool, and you WILL start to lose friends because of it.
The trick is to be there for your friends when they stumble onto the red pill themselves. Not with an I told you so attitude, but with a welcome home brother attitude.

Agreed. Stealth is the key. Ninja style. Revealing too much generally backfires.

Originally Posted by Chris007

Harish, MGTOW men must learn to be stealthy with their knowledge. It's not to keep this information from other men but because going your own way is about just that, GOING YOUR OWN WAY.
If you open your mouth about your beliefs, you're sucked right back into the blue pill cesspool, and you WILL start to lose friends because of it.
The trick is to be there for your friends when they stumble onto the red pill themselves. Not with an I told you so attitude, but with a welcome home brother attitude.

But sometimes I do feel sorry for the young guys sitting ducks out there. But again shouldn't betray the first rule. First rule of mgtow, you do not talk about MGToW. Actually fight club was the movie which has first introduced me to this ideology.

You can't use reason (arguments based on logic) to convince people about opinions they reached... without using their brain.

Whether it's emotions, instincts, upbringing, religious indoctrination - it doesn't matter, the same rule applies.

Blue-pilled people can only stop being what they are, if they CHOOSE to. There's plenty of very convincing arguments all around them; heck, I was a MGTOW way before the term existed. if you decide to reason, think, and read about the reality of our existence, you inevitably reach MGTOW conclusions.

So indeed, you are right - don't speak about things like TRP or hypergamy or any of that... Not unless it's a one-on-one talk, you trust the other dude completely, and he specifically ASKS you about it (which means he wants to learn; maybe picking up subconsciously that you have chosen a wiser path).

Originally Posted by Harish yadav

But sometimes I do feel sorry for the young guys sitting ducks out there.

Look at it this way.
Which is worse for the young blue pilled guys?

1. Going through the meat grinder - hopefully only once - and then get the support and help they need from red pilled friends who always knew but didn't tell them as to not lose the friendship?

2. Lose their friendship because they were blue pilled, and then too proud to admit that they were wrong all along and going through the red pill rage and despair by themselves?

If you're a smart mentor, you choose option 1 for them without them even knowing it.

Originally Posted by Chris007

Harish, MGTOW men must learn to be stealthy with their knowledge. It's not to keep this information from other men but because going your own way is about just that, GOING YOUR OWN WAY.
If you open your mouth about your beliefs, you're sucked right back into the blue pill cesspool, and you WILL start to lose friends because of it.
The trick is to be there for your friends when they stumble onto the red pill themselves. Not with an I told you so attitude, but with a welcome home brother attitude.

Originally Posted by end_of_days

You can't use reason (arguments based on logic) to convince people about opinions they reached... without using their brain.

Whether it's emotions, instincts, upbringing, religious indoctrination - it doesn't matter, the same rule applies.

Blue-pilled people can only stop being what they are, if they CHOOSE to. There's plenty of very convincing arguments all around them; heck, I was a MGTOW way before the term existed. if you decide to reason, think, and read about the reality of our existence, you inevitably reach MGTOW conclusions.

So indeed, you are right - don't speak about things like TRP or hypergamy or any of that... Not unless it's a one-on-one talk, you trust the other dude completely, and he specifically ASKS you about it (which means he wants to learn; maybe picking up subconsciously that you have chosen a wiser path).

Originally Posted by Chris007

Look at it this way.
Which is worse for the young blue pilled guys?

1. Going through the meat grinder - hopefully only once - and then get the support and help they need from red pilled friends who always knew but didn't tell them as to not lose the friendship?

2. Lose their friendship because they were blue pilled, and then too proud to admit that they were wrong all along and going through the red pill rage and despair by themselves?

If you're a smart mentor, you choose option 1 for them without them even knowing it.

Obviously stealth mode is the best tactic. But the thing is
the guy i was referencing mahesh was going through meat grinder again and again. Like some sort of blind pork chop on escalator which passes through 20 meat grinders. I guess you can say some people never learn. Funny thing is guys were the first to make fun of him. That stooge deserves to be victimized, why would any sane women would stay with him for more than 3 months. I admit maybe that is still a rookie, doesn't know how our cruel world works. But why turn blind eye to women robbing him of expensive gadgets and money etc. His story is similar like a rich man's brain dead son, who is often target of clever bastards who rob him off while pretending to be victims. The girls have been duping him of money pretending to be victim of their non existent abusive boyfriend. The story he's told is that the couple lost their money or were robbed off last night when, forgot purse in the cab they booked etc. and now they're in dire consequences of money to pay their house loan debts. And funny thing is these girls are robbing off him and living a lavish lifestyle. Must hand it to sunil. Atleast he stood up and tried to open this stooge's eyes. But i knew it wasn't gonna work so i stayed quiet. Some guys really need god's hand.

and it appeared as if everything was given a pass by mahesh said that's the high standard thing. But Sunil still tried to advice him

And that's where he went wrong.

You gotta put the word out. You owe it as a duty to your gender. Posting on the internet won't do the job: the internet is a big place. But if someone doesn't want to hear about it, well, he has made his decision.

Originally Posted by Chris007

Harish, MGTOW men must learn to be stealthy with their knowledge. It's not to keep this information from other men but because going your own way is about just that, GOING YOUR OWN WAY.
If you open your mouth about your beliefs, you're sucked right back into the blue pill cesspool, and you WILL start to lose friends because of it.
The trick is to be there for your friends when they stumble onto the red pill themselves. Not with an I told you so attitude, but with a welcome home brother attitude.

Originally Posted by end_of_days

You can't use reason (arguments based on logic) to convince people about opinions they reached... without using their brain.

Whether it's emotions, instincts, upbringing, religious indoctrination - it doesn't matter, the same rule applies.

Blue-pilled people can only stop being what they are, if they CHOOSE to. There's plenty of very convincing arguments all around them; heck, I was a MGTOW way before the term existed. if you decide to reason, think, and read about the reality of our existence, you inevitably reach MGTOW conclusions.

So indeed, you are right - don't speak about things like TRP or hypergamy or any of that... Not unless it's a one-on-one talk, you trust the other dude completely, and he specifically ASKS you about it (which means he wants to learn; maybe picking up subconsciously that you have chosen a wiser path).

Originally Posted by Chris007

Look at it this way.
Which is worse for the young blue pilled guys?

1. Going through the meat grinder - hopefully only once - and then get the support and help they need from red pilled friends who always knew but didn't tell them as to not lose the friendship?

2. Lose their friendship because they were blue pilled, and then too proud to admit that they were wrong all along and going through the red pill rage and despair by themselves?

If you're a smart mentor, you choose option 1 for them without them even knowing it.

Originally Posted by Mr Wombat

And that's where he went wrong.

You gotta put the word out. You owe it as a duty to your gender. Posting on the internet won't do the job: the internet is a big place. But if someone doesn't want to hear about it, well, he has made his decision.

Internet is the only source. Putting the word out resulted in negative image.