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    Re: Donít Judge Me!

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    Who in their right mind wants to change society? It's like changing diapers, it stinks, it's dirty, it's nasty, it's revolting, and I sure as hell don't want to do it! Let the flies, mold, and fungus do it!
    In right mind, I dont know, but many who are in need sometimes want some changes and will work for it. But I like that comparison with diapers.

    Actually societies always change in a way or another, but not all have its benefits. Those new laws about guns and abortion in US, for instance, are changes that some persons want and others don't want.

    Maybe in the future, if things turn worse for more and more Mgtows, some of them will really want changes in society and in the laws. But only in the future we can really confirm this.
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    Re: Donít Judge Me!

    Quote Originally Posted by Latinus View Post
    Maybe in the future, if things turn worse for more and more Mgtows, some of them will really want changes in society and in the laws. But only in the future we can really confirm this.
    You don't need to change the system you are disengaged from. Even upon legal obligation to participate in this stupid game of their design, one just can go to another country. The part in the script where you bend over is always dependant on you.

    Frankly I wouldn't consider people sharing our philosophy, but also trying to change the laws, MGTOW.
    There is already a label for them, one that truly befits them. Those people are just MRAs.
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    Re: Donít Judge Me!

    "But what of the truths they try to hide" (Jackoff)

    I want to weigh in with my own experiences of interacting with the alphabet community in a professional context.


    A few years ago, as a newly qualified psychotherapist, I took a job working as a resident psychological professional within a supported living unit. The 12 residents were all previously receiving psychiatric care and the majority were diagnosed schizophrenics. They often, but not always, came from the outcasts of society. People who were the most socially marginalized who were not even working class – what we call the underclass here.
    From time to time, we received training seminars to understand the social issues and lifestyles of people under our charge. For example, how to understand the mindset of people who lived for heroin or crack.


    One time we received an eye-opening session on the lifestyle of gay men who ran the risk of being admitted into psych wards through the chemsex party lifestyle. If you don’t know what that is…well that was the point of the training, because it is largely unheard of in the non-alphabet sections of society. We were being trained to understand what went on so that we could work with those who lost everything as a result of living this way.
    Chem sex parties focus around crystal meth and over the course of a weekend, people will turn up, take drugs until they are out of their minds and have as much sex with random people as they can. It was explained by the seminar leader (who was obviously gay and admitted he was talking from lived experience), that those who are comatose or in a stupor will have their bodies freely used by others.


    This kind of environment and lifestyle has a detrimental impact on the psychological stability of human beings, turning them into sexual livestock, and is very damaging for the psyche and the soul.


    The psychological problems come from a combination of the drugs, sexual assault and the inversion of normal life where Monday- Friday becomes the mundane dream world and the weekend parties become the thing that they live for. We were given this insight into the sub culture so that we could understand and empathise with the back stories of some of the residents in care who ended up losing their grip on reality as a result. A few of the dozen or so people receiving this training were middle aged religious women and I could see that they were completely shocked and appalled by the existence of such a thing, and were struggling to keep a neutral expression and tone. Everyone terrified of appearing intolerant.

    A couple of years later, I had moved jobs and companies, still working in mental health support. A colleague whom I knew to be gay said that he needed someone to talk to in a professional capacity as he was struggling with his mental health. It transpired that he was indulging in the chemsex lifestyle and was struggling with the addiction to the lifestyle and he knew that the drugs were making him erratic at work. He was scared of losing his job and was struggling with the sense of self loathing about his own choices. My sense was that he was becoming depressed as his unconscious mind was withdrawing its approval about his choices.

    I worked with him by asking him to try and articulate to himself, what he got out of this behaviour, as he must be receiving some perceived benefit otherwise it would not be a compulsion. It wasn’t just sexual release as he was already actively seeking casual sex in his local area (with random strangers he met on grindr) and this risky behaviour was causing other issues in his life, e.g having his possessions stolen. A year or so later I ran into him again outside of work and he wanted to go for a beer as he was once again ‘in a mess’. After one of these midnight liaisons, he woke the next morning to find that the man was lying dead in his bed. He told me about being under police investigation for weeks and the police eventually clearing him of any suspected wrongdoing, but telling him he was ‘lucky’ to not have been caught up in something more sinister. I wasn’t entirely sure about the death but from what I could make out, the guy had basically overdosed and had a heart attack. I decided that this was the last time I would try to ‘help’ this colleague, as if that incident did not get through to him about casting a judgement on his own lifestyle and avoiding certain choices then nothing would.


    The rainbow flag message is about acceptance of difference and inclusion. In my view this has largely been achieved as most of society doesn't really care about your bedroom preferences. The LGBetc community now has set its sights on wanting the larger part of society to accept everything about them without question. Everything that the protected group does must be embraced and all lifestyle choices are held to be equally valid. It is effectively wanting people to accept lifestyles that are destructive, without any rebuttal or comment. Some things are just degrading to the human mind and spirit and reduce you over time to an animal like existence. That's why we have tabood against cannibalism or incest. However, with the alphabet community, if anyone says ‘hang on, maybe you should not be doing that if it leads to people in your community going insane, or being manipulated by criminal predators’ this is viewed as intolerance and a hate crime.
    Last edited by Jacknife; June 29, 2022 at 9:49 AM. Reason: To add the second anecdote

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    Re: Donít Judge Me!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jacknife View Post
    "But what of the truths they try to hide" (Jackoff)

    I want to weigh in with my own experiences of interacting with the alphabet community in a professional context.


    A few years ago, as a newly qualified psychotherapist, I took a job working as a resident psychological professional within a supported living unit. The 12 residents were all previously receiving psychiatric care and the majority were diagnosed schizophrenics. They often, but not always, came from the outcasts of society. People who were the most socially marginalized who were not even working class – what we call the underclass here.
    From time to time, we received training seminars to understand the social issues and lifestyles of people under our charge. For example, how to understand the mindset of people who lived for heroin or crack.


    One time we received an eye-opening session on the lifestyle of gay men who ran the risk of being admitted into psych wards through the chemsex party lifestyle. If you don’t know what that is…well that was the point of the training, because it is largely unheard of in the non-alphabet sections of society. We were being trained to understand what went on so that we could work with those who lost everything as a result of living this way.
    Chem sex parties focus around crystal meth and over the course of a weekend, people will turn up, take drugs until they are out of their minds and have as much sex with random people as they can. It was explained by the seminar leader (who was obviously gay and admitted he was talking from lived experience), that those who are comatose or in a stupor will have their bodies freely used by others.


    This kind of environment and lifestyle has a detrimental impact on the psychological stability of human beings, turning them into sexual livestock, and is very damaging for the psyche and the soul.


    The psychological problems come from a combination of the drugs, sexual assault and the inversion of normal life where Monday- Friday becomes the mundane dream world and the weekend parties become the thing that they live for. We were given this insight into the sub culture so that we could understand and empathise with the back stories of some of the residents in care who ended up losing their grip on reality as a result. A few of the dozen or so people receiving this training were middle aged religious women and I could see that they were completely shocked and appalled by the existence of such a thing, and were struggling to keep a neutral expression and tone. Everyone terrified of appearing intolerant.

    A couple of years later, I had moved jobs and companies, still working in mental health support. A colleague whom I knew to be gay said that he needed someone to talk to in a professional capacity as he was struggling with his mental health. It transpired that he was indulging in the chemsex lifestyle and was struggling with the addiction to the lifestyle and he knew that the drugs were making him erratic at work. He was scared of losing his job and was struggling with the sense of self loathing about his own choices. My sense was that he was becoming depressed as his unconscious mind was withdrawing its approval about his choices.

    I worked with him by asking him to try and articulate to himself, what he got out of this behaviour, as he must be receiving some perceived benefit otherwise it would not be a compulsion. It wasn’t just sexual release as he was already actively seeking casual sex in his local area (with random strangers he met on grindr) and this risky behaviour was causing other issues in his life, e.g having his possessions stolen. A year or so later I ran into him again outside of work and he wanted to go for a beer as he was once again ‘in a mess’. After one of these midnight liaisons, he woke the next morning to find that the man was lying dead in his bed. He told me about being under police investigation for weeks and the police eventually clearing him of any suspected wrongdoing, but telling him he was ‘lucky’ to not have been caught up in something more sinister. I wasn’t entirely sure about the death but from what I could make out, the guy had basically overdosed and had a heart attack. I decided that this was the last time I would try to ‘help’ this colleague, as if that incident did not get through to him about casting a judgement on his own lifestyle and avoiding certain choices then nothing would.


    The rainbow flag message is about acceptance of difference and inclusion. In my view this has largely been achieved as most of society doesn't really care about your bedroom preferences. The LGBetc community now has set its sights on wanting the larger part of society to accept everything about them without question. Everything that the protected group does must be embraced and all lifestyle choices are held to be equally valid. It is effectively wanting people to accept lifestyles that are destructive, without any rebuttal or comment. Some things are just degrading to the human mind and spirit and reduce you over time to an animal like existence. That's why we have tabood against cannibalism or incest. However, with the alphabet community, if anyone says ‘hang on, maybe you should not be doing that if it leads to people in your community going insane, or being manipulated by criminal predators’ this is viewed as intolerance and a hate crime.
    Awesome post, Jacknife! I'll go one further, from my own experience, replace meth with alcohol, and LGB'ect. with womanizing, and you'll find the same mental/moral deterioration and depravity. The best thing I did for myself was a little house cleaning in this regard and lived happily ever after! For me that lifestyle ended on July,18th 1997, never to return. Psychologically, I'm in the most sound of mind, heart, and soul I've ever been!

    Thanks for that awesome post, it really hit home with me in ways I can relate! The only thing that terrifies me is returning to that lifestyle like a dog returning to eat his own vomit.

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    Re: Donít Judge Me!

    Gay men and the "LGBetc crowd" are two completely separate things. Be the gay man who tries to tell the LGBetc's that what they're doing is wrong and you get a double-dose of the hate they like to spray at MAGA people.

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    Re: Donít Judge Me!

    Quote Originally Posted by laer View Post
    Gay men and the "LGBetc crowd" are two completely separate things. Be the gay man who tries to tell the LGBetc's that what they're doing is wrong and you get a double-dose of the hate they like to spray at MAGA people.
    It took me a long time to realise this. There were a few gays that frequented my local back in the day and when I eventually heard that they were gay, often years later I was dumbfounded. I'd never have guessed.

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    Re: Donít Judge Me!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jacknife View Post
    "But what of the truths they try to hide" (Jackoff)

    I want to weigh in with my own experiences of interacting with the alphabet community in a professional context.


    A few years ago, as a newly qualified psychotherapist, I took a job working as a resident psychological professional within a supported living unit. The 12 residents were all previously receiving psychiatric care and the majority were diagnosed schizophrenics. They often, but not always, came from the outcasts of society. People who were the most socially marginalized who were not even working class – what we call the underclass here.
    From time to time, we received training seminars to understand the social issues and lifestyles of people under our charge. For example, how to understand the mindset of people who lived for heroin or crack.


    One time we received an eye-opening session on the lifestyle of gay men who ran the risk of being admitted into psych wards through the chemsex party lifestyle. If you don’t know what that is…well that was the point of the training, because it is largely unheard of in the non-alphabet sections of society. We were being trained to understand what went on so that we could work with those who lost everything as a result of living this way.
    Chem sex parties focus around crystal meth and over the course of a weekend, people will turn up, take drugs until they are out of their minds and have as much sex with random people as they can. It was explained by the seminar leader (who was obviously gay and admitted he was talking from lived experience), that those who are comatose or in a stupor will have their bodies freely used by others.


    This kind of environment and lifestyle has a detrimental impact on the psychological stability of human beings, turning them into sexual livestock, and is very damaging for the psyche and the soul.


    The psychological problems come from a combination of the drugs, sexual assault and the inversion of normal life where Monday- Friday becomes the mundane dream world and the weekend parties become the thing that they live for. We were given this insight into the sub culture so that we could understand and empathise with the back stories of some of the residents in care who ended up losing their grip on reality as a result. A few of the dozen or so people receiving this training were middle aged religious women and I could see that they were completely shocked and appalled by the existence of such a thing, and were struggling to keep a neutral expression and tone. Everyone terrified of appearing intolerant.

    A couple of years later, I had moved jobs and companies, still working in mental health support. A colleague whom I knew to be gay said that he needed someone to talk to in a professional capacity as he was struggling with his mental health. It transpired that he was indulging in the chemsex lifestyle and was struggling with the addiction to the lifestyle and he knew that the drugs were making him erratic at work. He was scared of losing his job and was struggling with the sense of self loathing about his own choices. My sense was that he was becoming depressed as his unconscious mind was withdrawing its approval about his choices.

    I worked with him by asking him to try and articulate to himself, what he got out of this behaviour, as he must be receiving some perceived benefit otherwise it would not be a compulsion. It wasn’t just sexual release as he was already actively seeking casual sex in his local area (with random strangers he met on grindr) and this risky behaviour was causing other issues in his life, e.g having his possessions stolen. A year or so later I ran into him again outside of work and he wanted to go for a beer as he was once again ‘in a mess’. After one of these midnight liaisons, he woke the next morning to find that the man was lying dead in his bed. He told me about being under police investigation for weeks and the police eventually clearing him of any suspected wrongdoing, but telling him he was ‘lucky’ to not have been caught up in something more sinister. I wasn’t entirely sure about the death but from what I could make out, the guy had basically overdosed and had a heart attack. I decided that this was the last time I would try to ‘help’ this colleague, as if that incident did not get through to him about casting a judgement on his own lifestyle and avoiding certain choices then nothing would.


    The rainbow flag message is about acceptance of difference and inclusion. In my view this has largely been achieved as most of society doesn't really care about your bedroom preferences. The LGBetc community now has set its sights on wanting the larger part of society to accept everything about them without question. Everything that the protected group does must be embraced and all lifestyle choices are held to be equally valid. It is effectively wanting people to accept lifestyles that are destructive, without any rebuttal or comment. Some things are just degrading to the human mind and spirit and reduce you over time to an animal like existence. That's why we have tabood against cannibalism or incest. However, with the alphabet community, if anyone says ‘hang on, maybe you should not be doing that if it leads to people in your community going insane, or being manipulated by criminal predators’ this is viewed as intolerance and a hate crime.
    If individual posts could be labelled as stickies, I would nominate this one. What an insight.

    I've recently begun working in the field of people with mental disadvantages so I know something of the courses about which you speak of here. They can be a pain in the ass, but they can also be extremely insightful.

    I also have a brother who is paranoid schizophrenic. Not the particular area I'm working in but the training sessions are giving me some insight into his actions also.

    And I couldn't agree more with your comment about the rainbow flag message.

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    Re: Donít Judge Me!

    Quote Originally Posted by Latinus View Post
    Yes, but now looks like you are the one who is not getting my point. Of course we can change some things in society, and I actually support this, and this is even what I write in many of my posts, especially through the use of new pro-mgtow technologies. But changing entirely a society the way we want, and especially the way that each Mgtow wants, it is not possible. Even because each Mgtow has his own preferences that may not be compatible with other Mgtows. But no problem, we actually don't really need to change the entire society to live well enough, I just noted that my humble judgements alone are not enough to change any society.
    New pro-MGTOW technologies? Could you elaborate on this as I have absolutely no clue as to what youíre referring to.

    As for changing shit, I kind of agree insofar as we cannot change an individual with argument, and if we cannot change an individual what hope for society?

    People can change, but only if they want to. Societal change will be reflected in the views and opinions of individuals.

    We MGTOW can but lead the way. If they donít want to understand then thereís no forcing them.


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