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    Does having a kid via surrogate in the US/Canada save you?

    Does having a kid via a surrogate in the US/Canada save you from the bullshit divorce laws that men have to deal with? Someone mentioned that as another way of having kids if you really wanted it.

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    Re: Does having a kid via surrogate in the US/Canada save you?

    You never know when they will decide to change laws and if it will come back to bite you. I recall reading a while ago how the grandparents were up for child support because their son died! That was in Canada and I have no idea how they twisted that to make it real but it is just an example of what could happen. You also have no guarantee the surrogate won't just use you for financial support then renege on the deal.

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    Re: Does having a kid via surrogate in the US/Canada save you?

    At the moment, removing a "wife" (gold digger) from the equation helps. Worst case scenario is the surrogate wants to keep the kid (for some reason) which is why you have a ton of documents and lawyers involved.

    As with all things, doing it right solves problems, and removes the female nonsense from the equation. Surrogates are there to get paid, not have babies with strange men.

    It's certainly safer than a wife, and a wife is more expensive than a nanny, so there's a lot of wins there.

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    Re: Does having a kid via surrogate in the US/Canada save you?

    I'm actually thinking of using a surrogate as I am done with women. Plus I have extremely supportive relatives. So all in all I'm good!!!
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    Re: Does having a kid via surrogate in the US/Canada save you?

    Why would you want a child without a wife?

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    Re: Does having a kid via surrogate in the US/Canada save you?

    Quote Originally Posted by BedroomBully View Post
    Why would you want a child without a wife?
    There's no such thing as "wholesome" under modern reprobate law.

    Why not carve things up the way you see fit?

    Why not the same way a women would carve up her offspring in the name of having life the way she sees fit?

    When justice becomes reprobate or self serve, as it has, you better have a good set of sharp knives or stay out of the butchery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    There's no such thing as "wholesome" under modern reprobate law.

    Why not carve things up the way you see fit?

    Why not the same way a women would carve up her offspring in the name of having life the way she sees fit?

    When justice becomes reprobate or self serve, as it has, you better have a good set of sharp knives or stay out of the butchery.
    A man wanting a child with no wife is suspect.

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    Re: Does having a kid via surrogate in the US/Canada save you?

    Nope. There are many cases like this
    https://ca.style.yahoo.com/blogs/shi...135103565.html

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    Re: Does having a kid via surrogate in the US/Canada save you?

    Don't know much about surrogacy. But any time paternity is an issue, the usual battles over custody, child support and other shit can't be too far behind.

    Fundamentally, women simply have too much to gain from those things to ever trust even a surrogate with the next eighteen years of your life. You can make the bitch sign whatever legal documents you want. But at the end of the day, every one of those signatures is at some activist, virtue-signaling judge's mercy. If he arbitrarily invalidates them, you might have little recourse.

    If being a father is important to you, adoption may be your safest bet. No, the child isn't biologically yours. But what you gain is a child that basically nobody else has access to.

    If you want to adopt, I recommend contacting a Catholic adoption agency. They may require you to convert to Catholicism (and there are worse things) but that process might be easier than a secular adoption agency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akimbo3 View Post
    I'm actually thinking of using a surrogate as I am done with women. Plus I have extremely supportive relatives. So all in all I'm good!!!
    Idk, you'll probably run into a situation where people think you're abducting the child. There was a situation recently where a woman was stopped and questioned on suspicion of child smuggling because her adopted child is of a different race. Men alone with children are viewed suspiciously. Why not just sponsor a kid in Africa or something? Volunteer with Big Brothers/Sisters?

    Leaving a legacy is tremendously overrated. One generation later, people won't remember your name.

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    Re: Does having a kid via surrogate in the US/Canada save you?

    Quote Originally Posted by BedroomBully View Post
    A man wanting a child with no wife is suspect.
    Suspect how? Although I don't understand nor have any desire to become a parent, some men do.

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    Re: Does having a kid via surrogate in the US/Canada save you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Toolband89 View Post
    Idk, you'll probably run into a situation where people think you're abducting the child. There was a situation recently where a woman was stopped and questioned on suspicion of child smuggling because her adopted child is of a different race. Men alone with children are viewed suspiciously. Why not just sponsor a kid in Africa or something? Volunteer with Big Brothers/Sisters?

    Leaving a legacy is tremendously overrated. One generation later, people won't remember your name.
    Yeah I feel you. That's a good idea! But I still wanna have a kid though lol!
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    Re: Does having a kid via surrogate in the US/Canada save you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Akimbo3 View Post
    Yeah I feel you. That's a good idea! But I still wanna have a kid though lol!
    There's nothing wrong with having kids, especially if they're Boers and you're gonna eat them!



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    Re: Does having a kid via surrogate in the US/Canada save you?

    Quote Originally Posted by MGTOWFOREVER View Post
    Nope. There are many cases like this
    https://ca.style.yahoo.com/blogs/shi...135103565.html
    Similar to that I've some some retarded child-support legal battles involving surrogacy - technically better than having a wife but you'd still be exposing yourself to some risk on the off-chance.

    Hope you got a 1/4 Mill saved, kids tend to be expensive lol.

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    Re: Does having a kid via surrogate in the US/Canada save you?

    Quote Originally Posted by _RPK_ View Post
    Suspect how? Although I don't understand nor have any desire to become a parent, some men do.
    People will think you are a predator. As someone mentioned earlier, you are going to run into lots of trouble with a child who doesn't look like you as a male. Especially if didn't ethnicity.

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    Re: Does having a kid via surrogate in the US/Canada save you?

    Quote Originally Posted by BedroomBully View Post
    People will think you are a predator. As someone mentioned earlier, you are going to run into lots of trouble with a child who doesn't look like you as a male. Especially if didn't ethnicity.
    I've long gone past caring what others think, it's wasted energy. Sure, some people might think you're suspect, but if someone actually says anything then you pretty much tell them to fuck off and pound sand.

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    Re: Does having a kid via surrogate in the US/Canada save you?

    Quote Originally Posted by _RPK_ View Post
    I've long gone past caring what others think, it's wasted energy. Sure, some people might think you're suspect, but if someone actually says anything then you pretty much tell them to fuck off and pound sand.
    I agree!
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    Re: Does having a kid via surrogate in the US/Canada save you?

    Quote Originally Posted by BedroomBully View Post
    A man wanting a child with no wife is suspect.
    Accoring to the famous Turd Flinging Monkey, men have higher "fertility intentions" (a scientifical term) then women. This means that men on average want children, and more of them, then women do. I think this is true, at least it is accoring to my own life experiences.

    I have a child, a as of now 4 year old son that lives with me full time on even weeks. There is nothing at all sucpicious with a man caring for or wanting a child. It may be weird in parts of trad USA (and maybe in other english speaking countries since these seem to be the worst places for men), but not elsewhere in the world.

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    Re: Does having a kid via surrogate in the US/Canada save you?

    There's a right way of doing things:

    1) Purchase eggs from woman A (purely transactional, with legal documents to back it up);

    2) Hired fertility clinic B performs the IVF (to ensure you have no sexual contact with woman A, and to minimise risks of her claiming you had a relationship);

    3) The fertilised eggs are implanted into a surrogate womb from separate woman C (thus ensuring woman C does not have any genetic material claim on the baby since the baby's DNA is yours and from woman A);

    4) Hire a wet-nurse D, to provide milk for the baby once born (to ensure woman C's involvement ends directly after birth, which minimises any claim from woman C that she became emotionally invested and a parental figure for the baby);

    5) For additional safety measures, ensure that wet-nurse D is swapped out with wet-nurses E, F, after a few months or as often as possible;

    6) Ensure that legal documents are prepared by your lawyers which are agreed to and signed by each woman (A, C, D/E/F) at every stage;

    These are the safest steps for surrogacy which will minimise risks and legal challenges from Woman A (the egg provider), Woman C (the surrogate womb) and from Woman D/E/F (the wet nurses) from possibly challenging custody of the child from you as the courts will be hard pressed to find for any of the individual woman as having a legitimate claim since their involvement was so minimal.

    However, if you mess up and have the same woman involved at any stage, for example, the woman who supplies the egg also provides the surrogate womb, then you may open up enormous risks for potential legal challenges. Keeping in mind that the courts will generally favour a woman's claims over that of the man, this is why at every stage the woman's involvement MUST be minimised and kept separated and short.

    When you are throwing a good amount of money for a surrogate baby, it means you have a lot more of it which the woman want (from child support claims) and that you'd be a fool to not take appropriate precautions to ensure any potential legal challenges are minimised.

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    Re: Does having a kid via surrogate in the US/Canada save you?

    I don't think I was ever breast fed. As a boy and a young man, almost of the babies I saw got their milk from a bottle too. Maybe breast feeding was out of style back then, I don't know.

    You would obviously need someone to care for the little shit while your working, but would you otherwise need a nurse?

    My father didn't care much for most adults, with good reason. But children, he loved. Every time he went for a walk, he had a big pack a gum he handed out. The parents were cool with it. They knew he'd never harm their little ones, and some of them had got treats from him when they were kids.

    So I can see how some guys would like their own child. Not me. I'm a lot like the old man in many ways, but a kid of my own is the last thing I want.
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