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    Re: Do we all pay for sex?

    Amen. A guy will go to a womans house if shes hot enough without hesitation if asked. Reverse that scenario and the woman would probably have some second thoughts. They hold the keys to sex but we hold the keys to relationships.

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    Re: Do we all pay for sex?

    Quote Originally Posted by DangZagnut View Post
    You always pay for it, in so many ways.

    Free porn and masturbation costs nothing. Sex (for women) costs nothing. For men? It costs everything.
    Amen. A guy will go to a womans house if shes hot enough without hesitation if asked. Reverse that scenario and the woman would probably have some second thoughts. They hold the keys to sex but we hold the keys to relationships.






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    Re: Do we all pay for sex?

    Respectfully, men like Brad Pitt et al. are not the top 5%. They aren't even the top 1%. More like the top 0.001%

    True, these men don't have to pay for it. They do, however, have to pay the women to leave afterwards. This costs a lot more.

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    Re: Do we all pay for sex?

    Quote Originally Posted by djlee View Post
    Respectfully, men like Brad Pitt et al. are not the top 5%. They aren't even the top 1%. More like the top 0.001%

    True, these men don't have to pay for it. They do, however, have to pay the women to leave afterwards. This costs a lot more.
    So then who are these top 20% of men on dating apps getting all the chicks? Or is that the 1% getting it?

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    Re: Do we all pay for sex?

    Quote Originally Posted by djlee View Post
    Respectfully, men like Brad Pitt et al. are not the top 5%. They aren't even the top 1%. More like the top 0.001%

    True, these men don't have to pay for it. They do, however, have to pay the women to leave afterwards. This costs a lot more.
    you need to have "the 6 sixes". 6 feet. 6 pack. 6 figures. and housing is insanely expensive these days.

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    Re: Do we all pay for sex?

    been celibate for 4 years.

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    Re: Do we all pay for sex?

    Quote Originally Posted by lk980565d View Post
    They hold the keys to sex but we hold the keys to relationships.
    I think the saying was men control commitment: As in it was man that asked the woman to marry him. That is also no longer true. Women control commitment for the most part and control the relationships. With Hypergamy playing a large role in the actions of female nature the average bloke doesn't get a second look (until her body clock says pick now). Then looking at the divorce rate and women initiating 70+% of the divorces, it is women that are clearly saying they control when a relationship ends or is final. Women no longer have to rely on the male commitment to raise a family, the courts/social programs will give her what she needs.

    The only commitment the modern woman may need from "A" man now is enough to get an engagement ring, the parties that go with that, the wedding with all the photos, ring, dress, feelings/emotions etc... Chances are she doesn't even want to bare the same man's children...

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    Re: Do we all pay for sex?

    see below
    An escort is a woman you occasionally financially support only when she has sex with you.

    A date is a woman you occasionally financially support in the hope she will have sex with you.

    A wife is a woman you constantly financially support even when she is not having sex with you.

    An ex-wife is a woman you constantly financially support with alimony so she can have sex......with someone else.

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    Re: Do we all pay for sex?

    Men nearly always pay in terms of time/effort/money maybe except for the top fraction of 1 percent.
    The player/PUA still has to spend a lot of time in bars and clubs approaching even if he never spends money on expensive dates. From what I have read PUA is a lot harder than it was 20 years ago.

    One of my friends who's a bit of a player proudly announced that he "never had to pay for it", yet within 6 months of being in a relationship he moves in with her then splits up within another 6 months. This has happened around 8 or 9 times over the last 15 years and has probably cost him tens of thousands of pounds in the process.

    I think the closest you can get to a universal rule is that the longer you spend with the same women the worse the time/effort/money/stress/drama per bang ratio gets.

    The best analogy I heard is that women are like drug dealers they give it away cheaply at the start, then charge full price when you are an addict.
    Men are becoming MGTOW by the millions, most without ever having heard the term. They are simply doing what all living organisms finding themselves in a toxic environment do. They adapt to it or remove themselves from it. Females are not liking either the adaptations or the removal.

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    Re: Do we all pay for sex?

    We always pay in some form, everything has a cost. It may be time, energy, attention, patience, money. And don't just assume the payment only comes before the sex; it comes after too. If things don't go well, there's always false accusations, police, violence, social exclusion, baby trapping, even more wastes of the above mentioned. It's not worth it. The path that is the most open and honest is paying a hooker to suck your dick. That is the most straightforward, least consequential "no-strings-attached" payment. And even then you have to be careful.

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    Re: Do we all pay for sex?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheSisko View Post
    We always pay in some form, everything has a cost. It may be time, energy, attention, patience, money. And don't just assume the payment only comes before the sex; it comes after too. If things don't go well, there's always false accusations, police, violence, social exclusion, baby trapping, even more wastes of the above mentioned. It's not worth it. The path that is the most open and honest is paying a hooker to suck your dick. That is the most straightforward, least consequential "no-strings-attached" payment. And even then you have to be careful.
    It's a truth that can set a man free from a whole lot of blue pill society BS and lies. If you tangle with women and sex, there's a price to pay, either up front or later. Leonardo DiCaprio came up in the thread. It took 10 seconds to uncover a possible stalking situation. "Leo wants his latest girlfriend to stop coming to the movie sets". Who knows how much money he's dropping to keep his appearance of a care free sex life going.

    Every chad/player I've known personally has ended up in typical relationship situations, or worse than typical. The first chad I knew back in high school was married to a single mother by his mid-twenties. Maybe early success in attracting attention from women blinds them to the bigger picture traps. Women are born "players". They only have the two chips to play the game, sex and reproduction, so they work with what they've got. Male players can jump from flower to flower without a care, until they land on a Venus fly trap.

    The mythology of free sex is good for gynocentric society. It keeps men striving for status and chasing an impossible dream, producing economic wealth to be taken by women later, either through taxes or eventual settlements. Bill Gates could end up giving half his money to a woman who was only an employee at Microsoft before meeting him. Melinda Gates wrote a book about "empowering women". Now she can distribute a copy to every woman on the planet.

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    Re: Do we all pay for sex?

    Of course we always pay for sex, Hookers charge us money, other women charge us washing machines, dinner, jewellery, cars, holidays etc

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    Re: Do we all pay for sex?

    I was married 21 years and literally did the math. My cost over that time period was $887.88 per session. I termed the sessions “begging for bad sex”…..

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    Re: Do we all pay for sex?

    This was based purely on the divorce settlement. Doesn’t include all the money she spent / stole while we were married.

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    Re: Do we all pay for sex?

    Quote Originally Posted by stanmsl View Post
    Men nearly always pay in terms of time/effort/money maybe except for the top fraction of 1 percent.
    I'd wager even those pay for sex

    The best analogy I heard is that women are like drug dealers they give it away cheaply at the start, then charge full price when you are an addict.
    Hahaha,...very true.
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    Re: Do we all pay for sex?

    Am I right about this realization or am I just an idiot?
    Neither.
    Relationships are not prostitution. They are fundamentally friendships with sex on the side.
    But we have been brainwashed to believe that all women are dangerous and only out for themselves. The objective behind this was to prevent men and women from being in relationships.
    It's that simple.

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    Re: Do we all pay for sex?

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    Neither.
    Relationships are not prostitution. They are fundamentally friendships with sex on the side.
    But we have been brainwashed to believe that all women are dangerous and only out for themselves. The objective behind this was to prevent men and women from being in relationships.
    It's that simple.
    Brainwashed? Where have you been for the last half century? Have you seen the male disposability rate? The turnover? The extraction? The preference? The entitlements exclusive to female gender?

    When enough women go over the edge they make the remainder dangerous! We're not invited to the party! I'm not hearing anyone speak up for us, advance us, give us this, give us that, not a damn thing but crickets and we don't give a fuck!
    Corruption, like low tide, lowers all boats and smashes their hulls on the rocks.

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    Re: Do we all pay for sex?

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    Brainwashed? Where have you been for the last half century? Have you seen the male disposability rate? The turnover? The extraction? The preference? The entitlements exclusive to female gender?

    When enough women go over the edge they make the remainder dangerous! We're not invited to the party! I'm not hearing anyone speak up for us, advance us, give us this, give us that, not a damn thing but crickets and we don't give a fuck!
    You are like Patrick Bateman, wanting the world to burn because the world in which you dwell is full of hate, terror, carnage.
    Only when you rediscover self, will you gain the courage to look at humanity with compassion. And not write off half of it because there are a lot of shitty people out there.
    There are a lot of good people too, men and women. This can be overshadowed by the many shitty men and women, who get more airtime in social spheres (whatever is pumped through your tv and fibre optics). This is all by design, to keep you in a perpetual loop of hating women.
    WOMEN WERE RAISED BY DESIGN TO KEEP YOU WHERE YOU'RE AT!
    If you haven't worked this out, you are not that red pilled mate!
    The question is who is raising women and why. Some of us know. But if you want to stay mad at women, it's your choice!

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    Re: Do we all pay for sex?

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    Neither.
    Relationships are not prostitution. They are fundamentally friendships with sex on the side.
    But we have been brainwashed to believe that all women are dangerous and only out for themselves. The objective behind this was to prevent men and women from being in relationships.
    It's that simple.
    Can't say I agree on the brainwashing part, bud. I've been with 15 women, and only Three of them didn't try to take advantage of me in some fashion. The other 12 were not in it out of love, or kindness, or friendship. They wanted money and control. Those are the things that women value. You can try to deny the personal experiences of literally millions of men across the planet, but that doesn't make it true. WE HAVE LIVED IT.

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    Re: Do we all pay for sex?

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    You are like Patrick Bateman, wanting the world to burn because the world in which you dwell is full of hate, terror, carnage.
    Only when you rediscover self, will you gain the courage to look at humanity with compassion. And not write off half of it because there are a lot of shitty people out there.
    There are a lot of good people too, men and women. This can be overshadowed by the many shitty men and women, who get more airtime in social spheres (whatever is pumped through your tv and fibre optics). This is all by design, to keep you in a perpetual loop of hating women.
    WOMEN WERE RAISED BY DESIGN TO KEEP YOU WHERE YOU'RE AT!
    If you haven't worked this out, you are not that red pilled mate!
    The question is who is raising women and why. Some of us know. But if you want to stay mad at women, it's your choice!
    That's allot of projecting and yelling onto me things far from the truth and somewhat berating and condescending.

    I'm not like anyone, I'm not dwelling in hatred, and I don't have to work anything out that I don't give a damn about.

    Do you have hopes in a future relationship with a woman?

    Would you entertain the though if a woman wanted to start an emotional relationship with you?
    Corruption, like low tide, lowers all boats and smashes their hulls on the rocks.


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