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    Diversionary Tactics: "Women are Complicated"

    This one is rolled out by feminists and trad-cons alike. The graphic representation is this (which I shamelessly stole from a post at some other forum, Nice Guy's IIRC):

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    In the "complicated woman" (blue pill) model we are confronted with all manner of knobs and buttons. We are instructed that it is our job to make the woman happy by an infinite effort at attaining the exact correct combination of settings. To quote Chris Rock: "Let's go out there and try to make this bitch happy!" (Apologies to actual bitches - I love dogs.) There is no instruction manual. In the unlikely case that you achieve the correct settings one day, they will be invalid the next. ("It's a woman's prerogative to change her mind." What heinous slop.)

    But the first time I saw this, after exposure to the red pill, I knew it was wrong. And so I made this:
    ManWomanDifferencesSwitch-editted.jpg

    In actuality it's not the woman that's complicated - it's the layers of manipulations and deceptions, slathered on to hide the truth, that make it seem that way.

    That's it, boys. Whatever it is, she wants more. She'll say it's something else and lead you down an endless trail of diversions, but this really is all there is. The lies and manipulations all serve this. Luckily, there is a weapon to defeat this single-minded destructivity: "NO" is the most powerful word ever. Use it early and often. (I'm still learning this, BTW.)
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    Re: Diversionary Tactics: "Women are Complicated"

    What infuriates me even more than this is the next natural progression - the "women are mysterious" card, which is supposed to paint them as worthy of immediate awe & respect - it's supposed to make women seem more profound and attuned to human experience. It's even worse when men say things like this - just shooting themselves gleefully in the foot.

    Your pic sums it up completely. They'll take as much as men give them - and then as much as they can get with the help of manipulation, blackmail, the courts, and the state.

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    Re: Diversionary Tactics: "Women are Complicated"

    Quote Originally Posted by bob View Post
    That's it, boys. Whatever it is, she wants more. She'll say it's something else and lead you down an endless trail of diversions, but this really is all there is. The lies and manipulations all serve this. Luckily, there is a weapon to defeat this single-minded destructivity: "NO" is the most powerful word ever. Use it early and often. (I'm still learning this, BTW.)
    When you give a woman an inch, she's going to attempt to take a mile every time. So when you give her and inch make sure to take it back immediately. The goal is to make her work for that inch - she has to earn "more". If she earns it, let her take the drivers seat for a bit and show her a great time. If she's anything but great, kick her the fuck out of the car on fuck off boulevard.
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    Re: Diversionary Tactics: "Women are Complicated"

    I don't buy complicated. What I see is unstable personalities hiding behind a smoke screen of "I'm complicated."

    "Complicated" is not shorthand for "manipulative and deceitful".


    On Edit : Damn. On rereading, I realized I hadn't really even manage as much as rephrasing your original argument. Can you drunk post after two drinks?

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    Re: Diversionary Tactics: "Women are Complicated"

    Quote Originally Posted by Da Patriarch View Post
    When you give a woman an inch, she's going to attempt to take a mile every time. So when you give her and inch make sure to take it back immediately. The goal is to make her work for that inch - she has to earn "more". If she earns it, let her take the drivers seat for a bit and show her a great time. If she's anything but great, kick her the fuck out of the car on fuck off boulevard.
    I've had this exact thought countless times before. Quickly sums up female nature - there will never be an ounce of guilt involved in taking all that men give them - and then more.

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    Re: Diversionary Tactics: "Women are Complicated"

    Quote Originally Posted by Nuggets View Post
    I've had this exact thought countless times before. Quickly sums up female nature - there will never be an ounce of guilt involved in taking all that men give them - and then more.
    I'm not the only one then! This is how you effectively control their entitlement. This is why beta males believe that women are complex, because they give them everything and anything they want at the drop of hat regardless of female behavior and get treated like shit. This is why the phrase "treat women like children" exists. They are naturally entitled, just like children. You don't spoil your kids, you make them earn everything they get.
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    Re: Diversionary Tactics: "Women are Complicated"

    Quote Originally Posted by Da Patriarch View Post
    I'm not the only one then! This is how you effectively control their entitlement. This is why beta males believe that women are complex, because they give them everything and anything they want at the drop of hat regardless of female behavior and get treated like shit. This is why the phrase "treat women like children" exists. They are naturally entitled, just like children. You don't spoil your kids, you make them earn everything they get.
    Money! I actually haven't thought about it that way before, but it makes perfect sense when you lay it out like that. Men just reinforce their delusion that there is some esoteric key that will make their wives and gfs permanently happy. Combine this with the "always the man's fault" dogma, and they're left wondering what they did wrong every time, instead of looking at the larger pattern.

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    Re: Diversionary Tactics: "Women are Complicated"

    women aren't complicated.

    men just can't comprehend something that lies about absolutely everything and hasn't managed to be chopped into pieces by an angry mob.

    that's women. they have cunts, so we give them privilege.

    men just have a hard time thinking down to their level.
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    Re: Diversionary Tactics: "Women are Complicated"

    A year or two ago, I was on a local forum, and came across a blue pill guy looking for advice. He said that his girlfriend was ill, but said he could go out with HER friends for some fun, and leave her alone. He posted a thread because he smelled a rat and wondered if he would get into trouble for going out with her friends as she suggested.

    Here is the thread
    Let's ignore the fact that he was considering going out with her friends instead of his own.

    Anyway, the interesting thing is the responses this guy was given. Some guys were blue pill to the max, and suggested staying home to avoid a domestic altercation. Some of the guys, myself included, said to take her at her word - because rational people mean what they say, right? One of the women said (basically) that what she said was not what she meant, and that her husband had better know which one she meant otherwise she was in trouble. Look for a poster called MsDenz.

    I found it interesting because it highlighted the different expectations people have with regards to the way they communicate, and what they are allowed to get away with.

    A woman says one thing and means another - it's fine, women communicate indirectly.
    If a man did that, what would people think of him?

    A woman behaves in a manipulative fashion by not being honest with her man about what she wants and making him feel guilty for going out when she said she could - he should have known better.
    If a man did the same, he would nearly be lynched.

    I've stopped thinking that women are mysterious and different from men. I don't think women are unknowable. I think they just like men to think they are unknowable.

    Bonus points if you can figure out who I am from the thread linked above!

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    Re: Diversionary Tactics: "Women are Complicated"

    If by complicated, you mean illogical, then yes. Toddlers & the straightjacked residents of mental asylums are similarly "complicated".

    Life is complicated for women because they inhabit the same world as men but are less evolved. Particularly so in the ability to manage their emotional state and employ consistent, sound decision-making.

    When men say women are complicated, they are referring a woman's sense of illogic in making decisions. Her nature and decisions are highly impacted by her moods which often override actual reasons for doing or not doing something. Because her moods may fluctuate based on random events from a year ago she may have just remembered, or some person/object reminded her of it- a man observes decisions and behavior that are unpredictable.

    If we say women are "mysterious", then we must also say that a baby who cries one minute and laughs the next is also "mysterious" and "complicated".
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    Re: Diversionary Tactics: "Women are Complicated"

    I find that women are pretty simple actually.

    They want the best genes (as far as their primitive intellect can identify them) but they also want rewards without having to work for them.

    There you are, mystery solved.
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    Re: Diversionary Tactics: "Women are Complicated"

    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Covenant View Post
    I find that women are pretty simple actually.
    They want the best genes (as far as their primitive intellect can identify them) but they also want rewards without having to work for them.

    You left out a desperate obsession with social status. That alone is motive for a hell of a lot of bullshit in this world.

    Since basic survival needs are almost free for the taking (divorce court, BDG) the social status need becomes paramount. Consider the typical Twitter / Facebook denizen.


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    Re: Diversionary Tactics: "Women are Complicated"

    The cliche that woman are complicated and incomprehensible while men are simple creatures who just want a slice of pizza and a beer is very demeaning and stupid. A woman, contrary to popular myth, is not a complicated creature at all: any man who says we'll never understand them is just shutting his eyes away. It's a common delusion upheld by men to apologize for their inefficiency in dealing with them. Images like these are complete nonsense:





    Loolooolz women cannot be understand by men lulz they so complicated i tell hem i love them and they hate me hahaha

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    Re: Diversionary Tactics: "Women are Complicated"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ancient Sunlight View Post
    The cliche that woman are complicated and incomprehensible while men are simple creatures who just want a slice of pizza and a beer is very demeaning and stupid. A woman, contrary to popular myth, is not a complicated creature at all: any man who says we'll never understand them is just shutting his eyes away. It's a common delusion upheld by men to apologize for their inefficiency in dealing with them. Images like these are complete nonsense:





    Loolooolz women cannot be understand by men lulz they so complicated i tell hem i love them and they hate me hahaha

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    Re: Diversionary Tactics: "Women are Complicated"

    It's human nature to want more with the absence of boundaries. Who sets the boundaries? Mom, dad, boyfriend, husband (husband the least because he is in a legally compromised position).
    If you see an average human as a logical actor you might be dissapointed. If you see them as an input/output device you might not be.


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    Re: Diversionary Tactics: "Women are Complicated"

    Yeah, well, so are men. Just nonsense meant to shut up any kinda of though. "Womn are compliacated," (so don't understand them, jerk). Men are complicated too, perhaps more so due to the higher average brain activity (I think..), the only difference is men don't bother everyone with their problems, typically, so everyone assumes we're simple.

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    Re: Diversionary Tactics: "Women are Complicated"

    Women aren't mysterious; they're privileged - for as long as men privilege them.

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    Re: Diversionary Tactics: "Women are Complicated"

    Quote Originally Posted by Da Patriarch View Post
    When you give a woman an inch, she's going to attempt to take a mile every time. So when you give her and inch make sure to take it back immediately. The goal is to make her work for that inch - she has to earn "more". If she earns it, let her take the drivers seat for a bit and show her a great time. If she's anything but great, kick her the fuck out of the car on fuck off boulevard.
    Isn't that too much of a work to do? Just avoid women and you don't have to do any of this "let her work for it" ritual.

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    Re: Diversionary Tactics: "Women are Complicated"

    The OP is correct. Infact, I would say there was not a button at all but a system that reacts to how you behave. If you decide to damage said system, system will reboot and work better than before. If you attempt to fix and help said system, system will work better for the person trying to damage it and not for you. Usually in such a case men will throwaway the system, although blue pillars will break down into tears and keep trying to figure out a system which doesn't follow logic.

    The system is the opposite of logic to confuse the operator. It will do this so the operator spends time with it and becomes attached. Every now and then system will randomly shut down to test the operator leaving said operator upset and confused.

    Training guides have been written on the system and have been known to work. These are not actual guides but short cuts to bypass the systems programming and confuse it. Over time, the system has adapted and now knows the tricks. It is now unethical to use such guides as the system sees it as destructive to its operating circuits. Those who have successfully learnt the individual system through trial and error do so at a cost whether this is financial or emotional. Whatever the case the operator is at a loss from the experience. The operator just wants the system to give him a physical high.

    There are those that understand the system is against you and isn't worth figuring out. This is because the system CHANGES depending on what it wants at a particular time. If you decide to abandon, the system will lower the difficulty setting and will keep doing so until you chose to become an operator. The system may even fight against itself and become hateful to other systems that are complicated. Do not be fooled for this is also a trick.

    If a operator reaches a certain level with the system, the system may choose another operator or if the operator does not give the system what it wants. It may even try to trap you with a virus so you are forever connected and paying for subscriptions.

    The fact of the matter is - women WANT to be complicated. They want to be the himalayas to keep you straining hard. The reason you can never do the right thing is because she chooses the house wins everytime. By constantly making you feel like you can't do right, she holds the superior position. Such tactics have been employed by cult leaders to draw followers in more deeply on all emotional levels.

    The system exists to enhance the systems capabilities and not your happiness. Us MGTOWS have learned this a long time ago. Abandon the system and understand you do not need it. Step out of the matrix Neo.

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    Re: Diversionary Tactics: "Women are Complicated"

    To quote Tom, the character played by Stacy Keatch on Two And A Half Men: "Women are like beautiful puzzles with some of the pieces missing. Or, as my dad would say, 'They're just friggin' nuts!'"


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